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A proper Archie live action series

Started by terrence12, December 27, 2016, 07:37:16 AM

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60sBettyandReggie

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 09, 2017, 11:02:03 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 08, 2017, 09:33:36 AM
QuoteI dunno, I don't see how a comedy Archie show would work all that well. The Archie comedy has always been, well, rather traditional and not really anything special.

Why wouldn't it work? It would work quite well if they had the right writers. What's wrong with being "traditional"?? And if the Archie comedy is "nothing special" according to you, then why has it been around for so many years? Clearly they were doing something right.

'Nothing special' describes most of the non-comedy shows on television about ordinary people (and ordinary teenagers). Once they stop being funny, I have absolutely no intrinsic interest in what Archie and his friends do in their boring teenage lives.


Same here. Although, if we are talking about comics,  I do like those Life with Archie and Archie at Riverdale High stories, that while they weren't funny, they were interesting to read.

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 09, 2017, 12:58:21 PM

Same here. Although, if we are talking about comics,  I do like those Life with Archie and Archie at Riverdale High stories, that while they weren't funny, they were interesting to read.

They are interesting only in the context of the array of titles ACP was publishing at the time, as were the mystery/adventure phases that JOSIE & THE PUSSYCATS, THAT WILKIN BOY, and MADHOUSE GLADS went through -- and even those stories weren't entirely bereft of comedic moments. But imagine if those were the only Archie titles that were being published at the time. That changes the big picture.

I actually have no problem with having a single title like Life With Archie Magazine, Afterlife With Archie, or even New Riverdale Archie -- as long as it represents a mere tangent universe to the rest of ACP's publishing. As long as it's a mere variation on business as usual, it simply adds to the variety of choices to read. Those kinds of titles belong in the category of "Archie Adjacent" or "Archie Supplemental", because they don't have anything to do with what Archie is really all about. When those kind of books are representative of 90% or more of the new Archie-related stories that ACP publishes, it's a whole different ball game.

There just aren't enough classic, comedic Archie stories when it's split up (240 pages a year/divided by 52 weeks = 48 five-page stories). Then there are the reprints, which increasingly aren't "new" reprints to me, as it seems each new digest has fewer and fewer stories, percentage wise, that I haven't read before.

Now, I haven't closely kept track of the release dates of the New Riverdale titles (4 ongoing series as of now, plus one 5-issue miniseries), and Archie Horror titles (2 onoing titles that hardly ever come out with a new issue), plus now they're adding a TV-based Riverdale title (I don't know if it's supposed to be ongoing or a miniseries), so I can't actually tell you how many new 20-page stories they've published in those titles over the course of a year, and (owing to frequently missed shipping dates particularly on Archie Horror titles and Betty & Veronica) it may actually not be more than 480 pages a year (but that's what it would be if they managed to ship 2 new issues of any of those comics every month), which is twice what the digests publish in new classic Archie stories (240 pages) per year. I haven't counted Dark Circle titles in there either, since they hardly ever come out with a new one, like Archie Horror, but in any case those don't feature any of the comedy characters in some other genre. Actually, I don't think they published 48 previously-unpublished 5-page classic Archie stories last year - I think they missed a few of those digest issues.

terrence12

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Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 09, 2017, 11:02:03 AM
'Nothing special' describes most of the non-comedy shows on television about ordinary people (and ordinary teenagers). Once they stop being funny, I have absolutely no intrinsic interest in what Archie and his friends do in their boring teenage lives.


You know that's a good opinion ,If the show stops being funny we are not sure what Archie and his friends do in their boring teenage lives besides the riverdale thing.Besides it could have been if the archie source could have been used as a sitcom or a drama comedy series.

steveinthecity

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on December 27, 2016, 12:46:41 PM
Well, let's not forget Archie's Weird Mysteries, was about- like the name says, mysteries. But this new CW thing is gonna be more about sex, violence/murder. That's what I don't like. What is it about people that all they want to watch is those kinds of things? They don't really care about innocent-ish things anymore.
I always enjoyed the sex/violence/murder centric stories in classic Archie.  That Friday night date and running a lemonade stand stuff is for the birds.










*I agree with 60sBettyandReggie.
Comics!

60sBettyandReggie

Quote from: steveinthecity on January 11, 2017, 10:08:09 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on December 27, 2016, 12:46:41 PM
Well, let's not forget Archie's Weird Mysteries, was about- like the name says, mysteries. But this new CW thing is gonna be more about sex, violence/murder. That's what I don't like. What is it about people that all they want to watch is those kinds of things? They don't really care about innocent-ish things anymore.
I always enjoyed the sex/violence/murder centric stories in classic Archie.  That Friday night date and running a lemonade stand stuff is for the birds.










*I agree with 60sBettyandReggie.


Oh, you! (In all honesty my favorite classic stories were the really gory ones ;) )

steveinthecity

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: steveinthecity on January 11, 2017, 10:08:09 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on December 27, 2016, 12:46:41 PM
Well, let's not forget Archie's Weird Mysteries, was about- like the name says, mysteries. But this new CW thing is gonna be more about sex, violence/murder. That's what I don't like. What is it about people that all they want to watch is those kinds of things? They don't really care about innocent-ish things anymore.
I always enjoyed the sex/violence/murder centric stories in classic Archie.  That Friday night date and running a lemonade stand stuff is for the birds.










*I agree with 60sBettyandReggie.


Oh, you! (In all honesty my favorite classic stories were the really gory ones ;) )
While never too extreme, Bob Bolling was the best at pushing the "terror" envelope as it were. Those first thirty something issues of Little Archie show some of that.  LWA volume 1 was obviously on that tip as well.
Comics!

60sBettyandReggie

Quote from: steveinthecity on January 11, 2017, 11:45:46 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: steveinthecity on January 11, 2017, 10:08:09 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on December 27, 2016, 12:46:41 PM
Well, let's not forget Archie's Weird Mysteries, was about- like the name says, mysteries. But this new CW thing is gonna be more about sex, violence/murder. That's what I don't like. What is it about people that all they want to watch is those kinds of things? They don't really care about innocent-ish things anymore.
I always enjoyed the sex/violence/murder centric stories in classic Archie.  That Friday night date and running a lemonade stand stuff is for the birds.










*I agree with 60sBettyandReggie.


Oh, you! (In all honesty my favorite classic stories were the really gory ones ;) )
While never too extreme, Bob Bolling was the best at pushing the "terror" envelope as it were. Those first thirty something issues of Little Archie show some of that.  LWA volume 1 was obviously on that tip as well.


Yeah, that's true. And how about the "Betty Cooper, Betty Cooper" storyline?

terrence12

Quote from: steveinthecity on January 11, 2017, 10:08:09 PM
I always enjoyed the sex/violence/murder centric stories in classic Archie.  That Friday night date and running a lemonade stand stuff is for the birds.

actually during the past there isn't a single sex/violence/murder centric in those classic archie stories just some innuendos though some part about mysteries were included

Quote from: steveinthecity on January 11, 2017, 11:45:46 PMWhile never too extreme, Bob Bolling was the best at pushing the "terror" envelope as it were. Those first thirty something issues of Little Archie show some of that.  LWA volume 1 was obviously on that tip as well.


Maybe i mean he is the one who created little archie heck he even made fantasy adventures based on that character.

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 12, 2017, 12:27:06 AMAnd how about the "Betty Cooper, Betty Cooper" storyline?


Actually "Betty Cooper, Betty Cooper" is the parody of daytime soaps during that time which is also the parody of the same show that parodies teh soap opera called Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman

steveinthecity

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Quote from: terrence12 on January 12, 2017, 11:49:52 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on January 11, 2017, 10:08:09 PM
I always enjoyed the sex/violence/murder centric stories in classic Archie.  That Friday night date and running a lemonade stand stuff is for the birds.

actually during the past there isn't a single sex/violence/murder centric in those classic archie stories just some innuendos though some part about mysteries were included

Quote from: steveinthecity on January 11, 2017, 11:45:46 PMWhile never too extreme, Bob Bolling was the best at pushing the "terror" envelope as it were. Those first thirty something issues of Little Archie show some of that.  LWA volume 1 was obviously on that tip as well.

Maybe i mean he is the one who created little archie heck he even made fantasy adventures based on that character.
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 12, 2017, 12:27:06 AMAnd how about the "Betty Cooper, Betty Cooper" storyline?

Actually "Betty Cooper, Betty Cooper" is the parody of daytime soaps during that time which is also the parody of the same show that parodies teh soap opera called Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman
While I've just recently come to understand this is the most humorless message board in all the intranets, I would suggest your own humor and sarcasm meter be recalibrated when you have the opportunity.  PM me at your leisure so I might assist.







Comics!

terrence12

Quote from: steveinthecity on January 12, 2017, 09:27:09 PM
While I've just recently come to understand this is the most humorless message board in all the intranets, I would suggest your own humor and sarcasm meter be recalibrated when you have the opportunity.  PM me at your leisure so I might assist.


Huh?  ???

steveinthecity

Quote from: terrence12 on January 13, 2017, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: steveinthecity on January 12, 2017, 09:27:09 PM
While I've just recently come to understand this is the most humorless message board in all the intranets, I would suggest your own humor and sarcasm meter be recalibrated when you have the opportunity.  PM me at your leisure so I might assist.


Huh?  ???
Eggs Actly.  Thank you for helping to make my point.   :D
Comics!

DeCarlo Rules

#26
Quote from: steveinthecity on January 13, 2017, 11:22:29 PM
Quote from: terrence12 on January 13, 2017, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: steveinthecity on January 12, 2017, 09:27:09 PM
While I've just recently come to understand this is the most humorless message board in all the intranets, I would suggest your own humor and sarcasm meter be recalibrated when you have the opportunity.  PM me at your leisure so I might assist.


Huh?  ???
Eggs Actly.  Thank you for helping to make my point.   :D

Whether humor translates from the humor-er to the humor-ee (especially over the internet where tone of voice and visual cues like facial expressions are missing) is largely a matter of whether they have a common frame of reference. Emoticons are kind of a poor substitute for the face-to-face clues, and there's not much you can do about it. Differences in ages and backgrounds (as well as temperament) make a huge difference in whether the intended humor translates properly. When it doesn't though, it hardly does any good to fret about it. Just roll with it.  8)

terrence12

Quote from: steveinthecity on January 13, 2017, 11:22:29 PM
Eggs Actly.  Thank you for helping to make my point.   :D

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 14, 2017, 12:35:01 AMwhether the intended humor translates properly. When it doesn't though, it hardly does any good to fret about it. Just roll with it. 8)


Why you two go off topic ,It doesn't make any sense ???

DeCarlo Rules

#28
Quote from: terrence12 on January 14, 2017, 02:38:19 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on January 13, 2017, 11:22:29 PM
Eggs Actly.  Thank you for helping to make my point.   :D

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 14, 2017, 12:35:01 AMwhether the intended humor translates properly. When it doesn't though, it hardly does any good to fret about it. Just roll with it. 8)


Why you two go off topic ,It doesn't make any sense ???

If I had to do it all over again (or, the next time the whole site crashes and I have to re-register), I'd just change my username to Offtopic. Until then, if you see anyone posting under the name DeCarlo Rules, and he doesn't go off topic in the space of a week or two, you'll know it's not the real me.  :P  What can I say. Sometimes it seems to me like the most interesting comments people make don't have anything to do with the thread topic.

It could be worse. At least I'm not a bot trying to sell you furniture from England.

But to get back to the subject...  The first thing that pops into my mind when I see a thread titled "A proper Archie live action series" is why anyone would want to make one in the first place, because it's practically a guarantee that it won't be "proper". A live action series just seems to lean in that direction to begin with, because you're asking actors to imitate cartoon drawings. Nobody seems to ask questions like "Why isn't there a proper Bugs Bunny live action series?".

terrence12

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 14, 2017, 04:29:35 AM
If I had to do it all over again (or, the next time the whole site crashes and I have to re-register), I'd just change my username to Offtopic. Until then, if you see anyone posting under the name DeCarlo Rules, and he doesn't go off topic in the space of a week or two, you'll know it's not the real me.  :P  What can I say. Sometimes it seems to me like the most interesting comments people make don't have anything to do with the thread topic.

It could be worse. At least I'm not a bot trying to sell you furniture from England.

But to get back to the subject...  The first thing that pops into my mind when I see a thread titled "A proper Archie live action series" is why anyone would want to make one in the first place, because it's practically a guarantee that it won't be "proper". A live action series just seems to lean in that direction to begin with, because you're asking actors to imitate cartoon drawings. Nobody seems to ask questions like "Why isn't there a proper Bugs Bunny live action series?".

The reason why the title of the thread is named "A proper Archie live action series" is because RIVERDALE is now a mystery thriller series and not being faithful to the source material and if there is a live action archie series faithfully based on the source material then it should be drama comedy series like scrubs and if its aimed for older audience since the past comic book series has innuendos then let it be but make it a comedy drama series faithful to the source material.Hence why i entitled this thread "A proper Archie live action series" and why i consider RIVERDALE not faithful to the source material.

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