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Offline Oldiesmann

Thanks to Dan Parent for making me aware of this...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/one-million-moms-toys-r-us-archie-comics_n_1307689.html

A group called One Million Moms, which apparently threatened to boycott JC Penney after they made Ellen their spokesperson, is now threatening to boycott Toys "R" Us over the Kevin Keller wedding issue of Life With Archie.

While I understand their concerns, boycotting an entire store because they don't approve of something that kids might be exposed to is a bit extreme in my opinion.
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Offline HarryLuceyFan

Narrowminded stone age morons.

Offline crooow

I just read the statement from these idiots and I was surprised to learn that Toys R Us carries Life with Archie on a rack at the checkout.  My local Toys R Us puts it on the comic rack in the back of the store.  If they're telling the truth, props to TRU for putting Life With Archie in a visible location. 

My local grocery stores keep Life With Archie on the magazine rack.  I certainly see lots of kids of all ages in grocery stores.  If TRU tells them to bug off will they go after Kroger next?
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Offline Oldiesmann

I'll let you know if that happens crooow... Kroger is based here in Cincinnati.

This same group went after JC Penney for hiring Ellen as their spokesperson.
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Offline Captain Hero

The One Million Moms are all the same...judgmental, religious housewives who are so bored with their lives that they feel it their mission to try and destroy everyone else's.

They remind me of Helen Lovejoy from The Simpsons multiplied by...a million.
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Offline B-ko Daitokuji

The One Million Moms are all the same...judgmental, religious housewives who are so bored with their lives that they feel it their mission to try and destroy everyone else's.

They remind me of Helen Lovejoy from The Simpsons multiplied by...a million.

The group doesn't even have 1 million moms.  It's more like a "shell" organization set up by the American Family Association, an organization funded by fundamentalist wackjobs that has been bullying companies for decades to make them stop doing things they don't like.  The AFA has also been labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.  So yes, a hate group is trying to bully Archie Comics now.

I also think their concerns are ludicrous.  I was already exploring my sexuality at 4 years old.  I didn't need a comic magazine to introduce me to "topics that are too complicated for them to understand."  Just seems like another excuse for the dereliction of actual parenting.  Although, maybe that's a good thing if those parents think like 1 Million Moms.  It's not great to find out your parents don't actually love you. 

It would be nice if some conservative groups actually stuck by their own ideology though.  You know the one that says let the free market work?  If you don't like it, don't buy it.  If this catches on with MSNBC, etc., it should mean more sales for Archie though hopefully.

But yeah, this just seems like a half-@**ed attempt to find a softer target after the whole Ellen/JC Penny fiasco blew up in their faces.  They got so badly trounced on that one that Bill O'Reily, of all people, was telling them to STFU.


Offline PTF

Hm...

1. Possibly talk with kids about the various cultures, religions, and differences of people by, perhaps, parenting in some manner. And explaining it in a way they can understand, maybe do research even.

2. Cause a big fuss over something and be sure to annoy and anger a large number of additional people

Choices, choices... :)

Offline Oldiesmann

Considering that the whole gay marriage thing was announced back in September, I don't know why they're waiting until now to complain. Surely someone in that group has noticed that Toys "R" Us has carried that title for a while now, and since the story was announced 5 months ago, they've had plenty of time to figure out that Toys "R" Us would be carrying that particular issue.
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Offline PTF

Stupidity doesn't check calanders or make a time schedule. :)

Offline Captain Hero

Someone else actually brought up this point on Facebook, but they made a good point.  I wonder how many of the people in One Million Moms read magazines like Cosmopolitan, where the entire magazine is basically all about well...sexual techniques and the like...but yet, a kids comic that happens to have a gay wedding is immoral?  If that was the case, talk about hypocrisy...but I suppose to people like that, hypocrisy can be 'prayed away'... ::)

Oh, the priorities.  ::)

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Offline Jabroniville

It reminds me of what I mentioned previously about "small victories" and baby-steps. In the 1960s, it was considered a big win to get homosexuality put into it's own category in the National Library or whatever- previously, it was listed under "Sexual Deviancies and Crimes (including Rape)" Basically, rather than try to make gay marriage okay or try to get the Psychiatric Association to consider being gay NOT a mental illness (no, really) right off the bat or what have you (any attempts would surely fail immediately), the first steps had to be small. Over the decades, there's been a gradual increase in gay-themed things that would have been banned or disallowed in another era. There were a couple of one-shot gay characters in 1970s TV shows, but by the '90s, there were MAIN characters who were gay. Then gay marriage got legalized in several places, and now there's a gay character in ARCHIE, previously the most milquetoast and least-controversial of all comics. That's a huge win, and an example of how these "small victories" have added up. A gay wedding is just icing on the cake.

I mean, some people here complained that the cover featured no wedding stuff and the issue had no kissing, but really, that just adds to Archie's power here. Two guys got married. That's it. There wasn't any kissing or hugging or any of that stuff... it's easy firepower to use against controversy. It's really hard to take claims of Archie corrupting children seriously when there wasn't so much as a peck in here. It didn't even say "gay wedding" on the cover (note that NONE of Kevin's covers have said such things)- it just said a guy got married. More ammo. that isn't to say they should NEVER show such things, but with "baby steps", they can ease into the larger victories.

Basically, I think these backwater bigot groups are just mad because they've lost a huge amount of ground. When ARCHIE of all people is leading the fight for tolerance of gay people, it reminds them of just how badly they're losing their war on gay people. They recognize clearly that acceptance is rising, and fewer people than ever are subscribing to "Big Religion", and they don't like it.
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Offline B-ko Daitokuji

I complained about the gay marriage cover, becuase you couldn't really tell it was a wedding without the banner behind them.  There was no intimacy on there.  They could at least be holding hands.  That would at least sell the message way better.

I don't think we really need to deconstruct 1 Million Mom's motivations that much.  Just go with what the Southern Poverty Law Center says, it's the sub-organization of a hate group.  Would be kind of nice if people like CNN would stop interviewing clowns from designated hate groups like Tony Perkins though.  I think it's been a while since anyone has interviewed the grand wizard of the KKK.  lol

As for baby steps, I'm kind of tired of that.  The culture war is kind of dead when the majority of Americans approve of gay marriage, so there should be more entertainment with LGBT characters coming out.  I think what Archie Comics did was really good though becuase everyone else that markets to that age group (say Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon) is still way too cowardly to include a gay or lesbian character.  They were really the first company with the intestinal fortitude to do so.


Offline Little Hoarder

Is Archie promoting the use of illegal substances? No. Is it promoting the use of alcohol? No. Is it sending messages to young women/ men about what they are "expected" to do to be excepted? No. What happened? Kevin Keller is a gay man who got married. It's not the Apocolypse. Fire isn't raining down from the sky and a plague of frogs isn't running rampid throughout towns and cities. One Million Moms need to get over themselves. This is 2012, not 1948.

Enough said.

Offline crooow

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/29/one-million-homophobic-moms-target-archie-comics-and-toys-r-us/

Statement from Jon Goldwater:

“We stand by Life with Archie #16. As I’ve said before, Riverdale is a safe, welcoming place that does not judge anyone. It’s an idealized version of America that will hopefully become reality someday. We’re sorry the American Family Association/OneMillionMoms.com feels so negatively about our product, but they have every right to their opinion, just like we have the right to stand by ours. Kevin Keller will forever be a part of Riverdale, and he will live a happy, long life free of prejudice, hate and narrow-minded people.“

« Last Edit: February 29, 2012, 08:07:54 PM by crooow »
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Offline MissGolden24

These "moms" probably protested tinkie winkie's purse as well. Happy Archie's staff is standing behind Kevin and not backing down to the hate! Kevin Keller is awesome and more kids should read Archie comics regardless! Archie's world is a place where diversity is respected. These "moms" need to get a life.

Offline Little Hoarder

 :tickedoff: Okay, really? They are saying that Archie comics is offensive, and now Degrassi? Really? I grew up watching that show. It teaches kids what could happen if they take illegal substances, engage in sexual acts before they are ready, steal,....etc. Oh. my. Archie. I wonder what happens if kids come to these moms with questions about sexuality, illegal substances...etc. Will they sweep it under the rug or say: "Don't do it, because I said so."

Offline Jabroniville

Degrassi was AWESOME, and years ahead of it's time. Episodes about teen abortion (from sympathetic characters, no less), inter-racial dating, homosexuality and AIDS in *1990*!?
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Offline Little Hoarder

Degrassi was amazing back in the day. I grew up watching Degrassi: The Next Generation. The original Degrassi with Snake, Spike (She was just epic.), Caitlin, and Joey I only saw a few episodes of. I balled my eyes out during the teen abortion episodes ( The 90's episode and the next generation episode) They still have it on. Only now it revolves around relationships/love triangles too much. Get back to the real issues, Degrassi writers! How can OMM think that this show is anything but educational?

Offline Captain Hero

Add another Degrassi fan here.  I'm still in shock over the actor that played Wheels died five years ago, but only reported it now! 

I think when I watched, most guys had a crush on Caitlin, but Lucy was always my favourite.
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Offline Captain Hero

Latest update: Life With Archie #16 has completely sold out now.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/03/01/gay-marriage-issue-of-archie-sells-out-despite-million-mom-pressure/

Glad I picked up my copy two months ago when it was brand new.  :2funny:

But, seriously, good job Archie Comics on another successful issue.  I wonder if that magazine will get a second printing much like Veronica #202 did?
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Offline Oldiesmann

I'm sure it will. The whole "sold out" thing is all over Twitter and lots of people are happy about it (do a search for "archie comics")
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Offline Jabroniville

I'm particularly happy that the head of Archie went on to add "safe from close-minded people" to his rebuttal as well. Great stuff- he basically just insults them while not directly insulting them. Epic.
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Offline PTF

Of course it sold out, they helped promote it.

Offline Little Hoarder

@ Captain Hero: I can't believe that Neil Hope a.k.a Wheels is dead.  :( Lucy was awesome!

Offline B-ko Daitokuji

Well, Degrassi is Canadian.  Canada has been a bit ahead of the curve versus the United States on this issue certainly, but we're still talking about a soap opera that tries to grapple with "real" issues with all the "drama" that implies in a slightly educataional after school special kind of way (although I'm not saying it's as bad as those lol).  Frankly, I just want gay or lesbian characters in not so serious, fun entertainment things.  Like regular cartoons for kids like Winx Club or Kim Possible or something?  We've yet to see anything like that in the US I think, well other than Archie Comics now obviously.


Offline Little Hoarder

The only lesbian characters I've heard of are Karolina Dean from The Runaways comic book, Batwoman, The Question, and the bisexual Voodoo. Gay characters: Brainiac 5, Northstar, and I think Colosuss in the Ultimate version. All apart of either the DC comic or Marvel universe. That would be awesome if they had more gay and lesbian characters in cartoons. Cartoon Network and Nick have yet to do that. :(

Offline PTF

Pattie and Mr. Smithers from The Simpsons. Althought I liked it better when Smithers was just in love with Mr. Burns because he's Mr. Burns.

Offline Jabroniville

Another Canadian show named "Braceface" actually had a gay character in it's final season. It was a cartoon that I found to be pretty cool and authentically funny. Alicia Silverstone was involved with it for a while. So yeah, Canada was always a bit ahead of the curb (our CTV/CBC stations, the equivalent of "Peasantvision" channels, aired The Sopranos uncut around 10 pm and nobody really cared) regarding things like that. Not as far ahead as British TV, for instance, but far ahead of the more traditionally-uptight American channels.
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Offline B-ko Daitokuji

Well, I really don't agree with Canada on it's weakening of free speech protections even in regards to speech I don't agree with.  That's something I think the US is still superior on (and superior to the UK too), but that's way off topic for this discussion I guess.  As far as Civil Rights goes, I think they're definitely ahead of the US by several years, also on healthcare obviously.  lol 

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Pattie and Mr. Smithers from The Simpsons. Althought I liked it better when Smithers was just in love with Mr. Burns because he's Mr. Burns.

Yeah, although that's supposed "adult programming."  One thing that has kind of annoyed me is Cartoon Network doing all these anti-bullying commercials and campaigns, but still refusing to acknowledge the existence of homosexuality in the commercials or their programming.   :idiot2:  That was even with the CEO sitting there and watching some panel hosted by Anderson Cooper and most of the kids being interviewed saying they were bullied for being perceived to be gay.  Part of the reason why kids are bullied is because adults treat it as an "unspeakable" subject.

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The only lesbian characters I've heard of are Karolina Dean from The Runaways comic book, Batwoman, The Question, and the bisexual Voodoo. Gay characters: Brainiac 5, Northstar, and I think Colosuss in the Ultimate version. All apart of either the DC comic or Marvel universe. That would be awesome if they had more gay and lesbian characters in cartoons. Cartoon Network and Nick have yet to do that. :(

There's more than that, but most of them are or were kind of "subtext" only probably due to the lame editorial policies in place at places like Marvel.  Marvel definitely had some issues I think dealing with Northstar in non-stupid ways after that issue I think.

Batwoman is awesome I think just because she's the title character, and the writers don't hide the fact she's a lesbian in the story content.  Definitely glad I subscribed.


Offline Jabroniville

Comics can be very odd at times regarding homosexuality. In the '80s, there was a TON of subtext, usually in Chris Claremont books, regarding the subject. DC also implied it for more background characters, but it lacked Claremont's particular fetish for Femslash- The Legion of Super-Heroes utilized it as subject matter a lot, though. Northstar was supposed to be gay, but Marvel editorial practices wouldn't allow it, so it went "implied". A mini-series came out in the '90s that "outed" him, but it was sadly AWFUL since it had a D-team artist & writer.

Since then, it's a LOT more common. Nearly every Marvel "Teen Team" of the past ten years has at least one gay member on it (Anole, Asgardian, Hulkling, that sparky guy from Avengers Academy now, etc.), and Karma from The New Mutants came out a while back (ironically, since most any fan from that era would tell you that Wolfsbane & Moonstar were the gay ones: http://www.wgp.org/rahnedani/love/love.html).

Comics have been way gutsier on the subject, especially compared with cartoons. But then, comics have mostly left the kid fanbase behind, and are more explicitly for adults these days.
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Offline B-ko Daitokuji

I wouldn't say Claremont has a fetish.  Well, I'm not trying to pull apart your semantics, you probably didn't mean it like that, but some people just like slashing things.  I do it with everything pretty much.  There's many reasons for that, but two big ones are that the obvious straight pairings may be kinda lame and the female characters may be more interesting anyways, so why not put them together instead?  I also tend to think slash pairings are cuter, but that's just me.

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Comics have been way gutsier on the subject, especially compared with cartoons. But then, comics have mostly left the kid fanbase behind, and are more explicitly for adults these days.

This mindset that homosexuality is not kid friendly is part of the problem though I think.  It certainly helped lead to an environment where enforcement of heterosexuality in school is ruthless and kids commit suicide over the bullying.  You don't suddenly become gay after turning 18.  So this kind of nonsense really needs to go, and there should be more depictions in stuff aimed at other age groups.


Offline Jabroniville

Yeah, I agree. Comics shouldn't have had to "go adult" to show gay characters.

But I do think Claremont has a fetish for lesbians (particularly of a certain type)- it was under his reign as X-lord that Storm got the leather & mohawk look after being "inspired" by another leather-clad girl, in addition to several women who would likely fit the "butch" stereotype to a "T". This was alongside his particular takes for REALLY powerful female characters in general. I didn't say it was a BAD thing, though- he just clearly liked a certain type and wanted to write and see more characters like that, and liked slashing his characters together. Only the women, for some reason. Nobody seems to MIND, they just like to poke fun about it, myself included.
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Offline B-ko Daitokuji

in addition to several women who would likely fit the "butch" stereotype to a "T".

Butch isn't a stereotype.  Like three of my best friends are very butch.  It's just the way they are. It's also a perfectly acceptable term now.  I use it all the time.  You can portray butch characters in a very bad bigoted way, but I'm pretty sure Claremont did nothing approaching those portrayals at all.

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This was alongside his particular takes for REALLY powerful female characters in general.

It seems like they're outliers because they're female.  No one questions male characters like that.  So Claremont obviously did some good there I think.

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and liked slashing his characters together. Only the women, for some reason.

Does anyone ask questions when people only put straight pairings into stuff?  It's kind of weird to me, personally.  I'm pretty sure no one ever questioned Stan Lee or Kirby or whoever for all the straight sexual tension in their works.  But if someone does something that isn't straight there has to be "reasons" for it that must be discovered.  I'm reminded of some really stupid questions asked to the creators of Sailor Moon and Project A-ko during panels by Western fans.

I was into X-Men since I was a kid, I'm no Claremont expert mind you, but it's kind of weird how X-fans kind of seem obsessed with discovering the "kink" in his work.  I don't see any other creator being put under that kind of scrutiny, which probably says something about how much more hardcore X-fans are than probably anything really substantial about Claremont.  Just my opinion.

Over all, there's nothing fetishistic about pairings like Wolfsbane/Moonstar, Mystique/Destiny, or a few of the other more well known ones, so I don't think that term works.  No one ever questions Colossus/Kitty, Storm/Forge, or whoever else that he may have written about at some point.
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Offline Jabroniville

Oh yeah, Claremont is one of the all-time greats at writing female characters. He was actually REALLY annoyed that comics had a near-exclusive number of men in the top tiers, and specifically wanted to make more powerful women- Storm, Rogue, Phoenix I & II, etc. I'm in full favour of him.

I know it sounds like I'm knocking his work, but he did many of my favourite arcs of all time, and his X-stuff is among my favourite series in history. The man also did wonders for diversity- The X-books were one of the only places that showed that people *gasp!* actually live in OTHER parts of the world. I just find some of his traits as a writer amusing, as do many fans. I find most X-fans still worship the guy's older stuff, even if they dislike his more modern takes (some of it was great, but some was awful- The Neo, for example). Heck, the only stuff he does that REALLY bugs me is finding "Pet Characters" to obsess over and shove down the fans' throats, even when nodody else cares (Sage was the worst character for this). It was like how the Archie writers push Archie, but a thousand times worse.

Reading "kink" into his work doesn't even require any imagination- the guy had his, and liked to show them off. Nothing wrong with it- works become more interesting when the creators share their interests, especially when they don't go totally overboard (and Claremont never did- the kinks never overwhelmed the work). Even his straight pairings could often be a bit kinky (Colossus/Kitty was nixed by the editors as badly as Mystique/Destiny was, thanks to the age difference).

His TV Tropes page has more details, and is pretty funny to boot, though of course it suffers from the occasional editor straight-up knocking him: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChrisClaremont

Butch is certainly a stereotype, though- just as flamboyant, effeminate gay men are, as described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_stereotypes. Both are a result of assumptions by close-minded people- both are also certainly true in many cases. Both are also subject to stereotypes within the types. That's just life.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2012, 05:26:02 AM by Jabroniville »
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Offline B-ko Daitokuji

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Butch is certainly a stereotype, though- just as flamboyant, effeminate gay men are, as described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_stereotypes. Both are a result of assumptions by close-minded people- both are also certainly true in many cases. Both are also subject to stereotypes within the types. That's just life.

Stereotype is a very loaded, negative term.  Labeling it as such in this case I think gives people the wrong idea.  That wiki page is also misleading.  Here's one that covers the topic specifically (although I don't know how much I agree with everything it says):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butch_and_femme  Here's a quote:

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Butch and femme are LGBT terms describing respectively, masculine and feminine traits, behavior, style, expression, self-perception and so on. They are often used in the lesbian, bisexual and gay subcultures.

That's true, they're terms used in the community.  Over all, it's just slang used sometimes for convenience.  Is every gay girl butch?  Of course not.  Does everyone fall into supposed "butch" or "femme" roles?  Nope.  Does everyone that has butch-esque or femme-esque qualities self identify with those labels?  Nope.  I've never been big on labels, but again, sometimes the slang is used for convenience.

Here's the problem though, those things do describe a very large important portion of the community, just not all of it.  So saying it's a "stereotype" with that negative linguistic attribute that is tied to it implies depictions where a gay girl dresses in men's clothing, has a more masculine-esque personality, etc. are "wrong" and should be avoided in media.  Unfortunately, that viewpoint itself is actually wrong because it marginalizes the many people that are like that in the real world.

I also think heteronormativity and gender norms play into this.  I think if everything is "hetero normed," it means gender is obvious and certain gender norms can't be crossed.  So if a character like Calisto seems very masculine that may seem off to people with a heteronormative point of view.  However, from my point of view, I think suggesting that Calisto isn't entitled to more masculine labeled modes of dress, mannerisms, etc. can probably be interpreted as sexist.  Again, we would never question a male character that was like Calisto.

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Reading "kink" into his work doesn't even require any imagination- the guy had his, and liked to show them off. Nothing wrong with it- works become more interesting when the creators share their interests, especially when they don't go totally overboard (and Claremont never did- the kinks never overwhelmed the work). Even his straight pairings could often be a bit kinky (Colossus/Kitty was nixed by the editors as badly as Mystique/Destiny was, thanks to the age difference).

The thing though is that themes like bondage and mind control are extremely common super hero themes.  They're like in every single other book of note and affect the entire genre of superhero comics.  White Queen, etc. obviously have dominatrix influenced costumes, but I still see this entire notion being over stated by fans with too much time on their hands.  Some of the things I've heard about Claremont reek of made up urban legend, and I've never seen any of it backed up with substantial evidence.  I was mainly a 90's X-fan and don't really participate in the fandom right now, but I still get that sense from the whole thing.


Offline Purgatori

The only lesbian characters I've heard of are Karolina Dean from The Runaways comic book, Batwoman, The Question, and the bisexual Voodoo. Gay characters: Brainiac 5, Northstar, and I think Colosuss in the Ultimate version. All apart of either the DC comic or Marvel universe. That would be awesome if they had more gay and lesbian characters in cartoons. Cartoon Network and Nick have yet to do that. :(
There were lesbians in Secret Six (Vandal Savage's daughter, Scandal - she even had a happy ending when the title ended) and The Outsiders (Grace and one of Black Lightning's daughters, Thunder).
Celeste Noble from Image's Noble Causes had an affair with a woman.
Sarah Rainmaker in Gen 13 from Wildstorm was also a lesbian. It'll be interesting to see whether she still is, if she shows up in the new DC 52.

Offline B-ko Daitokuji

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Sarah Rainmaker in Gen 13 from Wildstorm was also a lesbian. It'll be interesting to see whether she still is, if she shows up in the new DC 52.

I'm pretty sure she's bisexual.  I also think Adam Warren killed off the entire cast or something, unless I'm interpreting what I heard wrong.  I almost forgot Wildstorm was bought out by DC though.


Offline crooow

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Sarah Rainmaker in Gen 13 from Wildstorm was also a lesbian. It'll be interesting to see whether she still is, if she shows up in the new DC 52.

I'm pretty sure she's bisexual.  I also think Adam Warren killed off the entire cast or something, unless I'm interpreting what I heard wrong.  I almost forgot Wildstorm was bought out by DC though.

A few months ago, DC Comics rebooted their entire line from the ground up and relaunched every series with new number 1 issues.  These 52 titles were called "the new 52".  The Wildstorm line was integrated into the DC universe and the Gen13 characters have been gradually returning in the pages of Superboy.
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Offline B-ko Daitokuji

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Sarah Rainmaker in Gen 13 from Wildstorm was also a lesbian. It'll be interesting to see whether she still is, if she shows up in the new DC 52.

I'm pretty sure she's bisexual.  I also think Adam Warren killed off the entire cast or something, unless I'm interpreting what I heard wrong.  I almost forgot Wildstorm was bought out by DC though.

A few months ago, DC Comics rebooted their entire line from the ground up and relaunched every series with new number 1 issues.  These 52 titles were called "the new 52".  The Wildstorm line was integrated into the DC universe and the Gen13 characters have been gradually returning in the pages of Superboy.

Well, I knew about the New 52 reboot since I'm reading one of the titles (previously mentioned Batwoman, which doesn't seem like a reboot at all strangely and is still using uninterrupted continuity). 

Didn't know about the integration of Gen13 characters, but that just sounds... stupid maybe?  I don't know, but I was kind of fine with Gen13 being in a separate universe than DC Comics, let alone not being Cloneboy characters.  Seems like a waste, sort of like dumping Harley Quinn into Suicide Squad for no sane reason.

I guess, on the other hand, maybe this could mean a new Gen13 comic at sometime though, but it would still be kind of cool if it didn't have to exist within the main DC universe.
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Offline Little Hoarder

Braceface was a good show. So was As Told by Ginger, even though it didn't touch on any LGBT issues.

 

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