That Cosmo's Space Race game was pretty weak. Then again, I don't remember Archie Comics promoting or advertising it at all. I just stumbled across it one day.

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Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 12:51:12 AM
I loved Jellybean as adult in Life With Archie. She worked in Jughead's while Midge was pregnant. And Midge had to stay off her feet. But in the beginning Jellybean was such a bad worker, she just hanged with Davey her boyfriend which Jughead didn't like. He was bad news. But when Midge almost lost the baby JellyBean got her act together & worked hard. I wish JellyBean was all grown up in the digests. They could have had more interesting stories maybe some that just starred her as the main character.

The inclusion of Jellybean as a teenager in The Married Life is kind of important because it's the one thing in there that really tells you exactly when The Married Life is taking place compared to the classic Archie stories: Jellybean is 15 years older, so The Married Life is taking place 15 years after high school. Maybe if LIFE WITH ARCHIE  had been doing better sales-wise there could have been a spinoff with Jellybean in her own series.

Jellybean with her own series?  I'm an Archie freak and I doubt I would buy that.  I think LWA would have had to be moving 20 million copies of each issue to justify Jellybean with her own series.  I think Pop Tate would be more interesting in his own series than Jellybean, LOL.  Maybe if Souphead was in the mix with Jellybean, that would be more compelling.   

Well, this is teenage Jellybean (not baby Jellybean) we're talking about here in her own series -- existing in the world where Archie and Betty are teachers at Riverdale High, so it would be an interesting variation on the standard Archie scenario -- but you made your point, you don't like Jellybean. But again, TEENAGE Jellybean is a completely different character than in the regular Jughead stories, and we barely got to know her in The Married Life, so how do you really know you wouldn't like her? THAT character remains largely unwritten as yet. I don't really know where Souphead would fit into the mix, since he's ten years older than Jellybean, not her contemporary. But even so, HIS character as a 25-year old is a completely mystery, as well.

I mean, maybe you're right. Who would be interested in buying a comic book series starring a teenage girl in high school? Although... I sorta had the impression that maybe that kinda thing was Archie Comics' main schtick.

POP TATE as the star of his own series? I'm gonna say... no. Not even the "retired in Florida" variant Pop of LWA.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 10:33:47 AM

Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 07:04:46 AM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 01:05:38 AM

Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 12:51:12 AM
I loved Jellybean as adult in Life With Archie. She worked in Jughead's while Midge was pregnant. And Midge had to stay off her feet. But in the beginning Jellybean was such a bad worker, she just hanged with Davey her boyfriend which Jughead didn't like. He was bad news. But when Midge almost lost the baby JellyBean got her act together & worked hard. I wish JellyBean was all grown up in the digests. They could have had more interesting stories maybe some that just starred her as the main character.

The inclusion of Jellybean as a teenager in The Married Life is kind of important because it's the one thing in there that really tells you exactly when The Married Life is taking place compared to the classic Archie stories: Jellybean is 15 years older, so The Married Life is taking place 15 years after high school. Maybe if LIFE WITH ARCHIE  had been doing better sales-wise there could have been a spinoff with Jellybean in her own series.

Jellybean with her own series?  I'm an Archie freak and I doubt I would buy that.  I think LWA would have had to be moving 20 million copies of each issue to justify Jellybean with her own series.  I think Pop Tate would be more interesting in his own series than Jellybean, LOL.  Maybe if Souphead was in the mix with Jellybean, that would be more compelling.   

Well, this is teenage Jellybean (not baby Jellybean) we're talking about here in her own series -- existing in the world where Archie and Betty are teachers at Riverdale High, so it would be an interesting variation on the standard Archie scenario -- but you made your point, you don't like Jellybean. But again, TEENAGE Jellybean is a completely different character than in the regular Jughead stories, and we barely got to know her in The Married Life, so how do you really know you wouldn't like her? THAT character remains largely unwritten as yet. I don't really know where Souphead would fit into the mix, since he's ten years older than Jellybean, not her contemporary. But even so, HIS character as a 25-year old is a completely mystery, as well.

I mean, maybe you're right. Who would be interested in buying a comic book series starring a teenage girl in high school? Although... I sorta had the impression that maybe that kinda thing was Archie Comics' main schtick.

POP TATE as the star of his own series? I'm gonna say... no. Not even the "retired in Florida" variant Pop of LWA.

I was basically kidding around, DCR.  But there are a lot of characters I'd rather see with a series than Jellybean, teenaged or not. 

Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 12:40:50 PM
I was basically kidding around, DCR.  But there are a lot of characters I'd rather see with a series than Jellybean, teenaged or not.

I think I can see the basic difference in our POVs here, spaz. You're looking at a Jellybean series as a 'branding' thing: "I don't recognize "Jellybean" as strong brand that predisposes me to buy a ticket". I'm looking at it as a concept thing: "ARCHIE: The Next Generation" (which of course, is an absolutely horrible title for a series -- so it's "Jellybean"). What's the next generation of teenager at Riverdale High going to be like, with the adult Gang of Five we know from LWA filling the supporting adult roles that normally go to the parents and faculty of RHS in classic Archie stories? We're flopping the focus here; LWA focused on the adults, JELLYBEAN would focus on the teenagers, and cut back on the soap opera dynamic of LWA in favor of taking a more comedic/lighthearted approach to looking at that same world from a teenager's worldview. In effect, recasting the more serious world seen in LWA, back into the mold of classic Archie stories about teenagers (with a new teenage cast revolving around Jellybean as the main character, and Archie, Jughead, Betty, etc. as the responsible authority figures in their world). The idea here being to capitalize (if LWA had continued to be a sales success), on an already-established series, trying to carry over interest of those readers into a spinoff set in the same universe.

It's not about "the character", because there really isn't enough in The Married Life to set Jellybean the teenager's character in stone. That has to be built on just a few slim connective threads to classic Archie. "She's Jughead's baby sister, all grown up".  This is a night-and-day thing, like "Li'l Jinx" to JINX. That thing turned out to be great, which I'd never have guessed before reading it. The only reason I did wind up getting it was because it was super-cheap, and I was more than mildly curious. Never really cared one way or the other about Li'l Jinx, but after reading it, I love JINX.

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Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 12:40:50 PM
I was basically kidding around, DCR.  But there are a lot of characters I'd rather see with a series than Jellybean, teenaged or not.

I think I can see the basic difference in our POVs here, spaz. You're looking at a Jellybean series as a 'branding' thing: "I don't recognize "Jellybean" as strong brand that predisposes me to buy a ticket". I'm looking at it as a concept thing: "ARCHIE: The Next Generation" (which of course, is an absolutely horrible title for a series -- so it's "Jellybean"). What's the next generation of teenager at Riverdale High going to be like, with the adult Gang of Five we know from LWA filling the supporting adult roles that normally go to the parents and faculty of RHS in classic Archie stories? We're flopping the focus here; LWA focused on the adults, JELLYBEAN would focus on the teenagers.

It's not about "the character", because there really isn't enough in The Married Life to set Jellybean the teenager's character in stone. That has to be built on just a few slim connective threads to classic Archie. "She's Jughead's baby sister, all grown up".  This is a night-and-day thing, like "Li'l Jinx" to JINX. That thing turned out to be great, which I'd never have guessed before reading it. The only reason I did wind up getting it was because it was super-cheap, and I was more than mildly curious. Never really cared one way or the other about Li'l Jinx, but after reading it, I love JINX.

My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse. 

Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.

I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.

You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.

Back in the day, I thought it would be fun to have a series starring the older Jellybean.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 01:47:52 PM

Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.

I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.

You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.

I read the "Classic" Jughead story in the back of one of the new Jughead stories where Souphead is in it. He was funny.

I remember little Souphead taught Jughead a lesson while Jughead was trying to teach him one.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 01:47:52 PM

Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.

I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.

You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.

Come to think of it, it's happened at least ONCE with an Archie character. Cheryl Blossom was languishing in obscurity, until, nearly overnight, an executive decision to push the character hard as "the next big thing" was made, and the readers bought into it, and made her Archie's hottest property of  the late 1990s. And now, she's back to pre-1994 levels of popularity, but for a while there...

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 02:43:15 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 01:47:52 PM

Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.

I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.

You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.

Come to think of it, it's happened at least ONCE with an Archie character. Cheryl Blossom was languishing in obscurity, until, nearly overnight, an executive decision to push the character hard as "the next big thing" was made, and the readers bought into it, and made her Archie's hottest property of  the late 1990s. And now, she's back to pre-1994 levels of popularity, but for a while there...

This Cheryl Blossom hasn't made it into the new Archie and Jughead series yet. Being as popular as people say she is that surprises me a bit. Maybe she will be more a regular in the new Betty and Veronica series.

Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 02:40:54 PM
I remember little Souphead taught Jughead a lesson while Jughead was trying to teach him one.

We're gonna turn you into a classic Archie fan yet, GingerGal! Watch out! 

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 02:46:53 PM

Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 02:40:54 PM
I remember little Souphead taught Jughead a lesson while Jughead was trying to teach him one.

We're gonna turn you into a classic Archie fan yet, GingerGal! Watch out! 

I will definitely get to it at some point. I just don't have the $$$$$ for it right now. I do enjoy the "Classic" stories in the back of the new ones so it is not that I don't like them.

Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 02:46:36 PM
This Cheryl Blossom hasn't made it into the new Archie and Jughead series yet. Being as popular as people say she is that surprises me a bit. Maybe she will be more a regular in the new Betty and Veronica series.

Between 1995 and 2001, Cheryl starred in 50 issues of her own comics.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 02:52:08 PM

Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 02:46:36 PM
This Cheryl Blossom hasn't made it into the new Archie and Jughead series yet. Being as popular as people say she is that surprises me a bit. Maybe she will be more a regular in the new Betty and Veronica series.

Between 1995 and 2001, Cheryl starred in 50 issues of her own comics.

Is she as popular as Kevin Keller?