Author Topic: Save Betty and Veronica group on FaceBook. (Read 13940 times)

Frank · « **on:** February 21, 2009, 08:45:27 PM »

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=81253110464&ref=mf

If anyone is interested in joining - please do! Also - tell your friends. It's the Web 2.0 way to let Archie know that we like their comics and want to see their innovation continue with titles such as B&V Spectacular.

Captain Hero · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2009, 11:26:52 PM »

Heck, I'll sign up! I hate seeing Archie titles get cancelled.

Frank · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2009, 11:32:05 PM »

Good on ya! (an Australian term)

I've cross-posted on Newsarama and cbgxtra forums to try and get some folks signing up from there as well.

archiecomicsfan27 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2009, 11:59:57 PM »

I'll sign up too!! One of my fav titles....dont wanna see it cancelled

tgoldwater · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2009, 07:58:24 PM »

I joined. hopefully I will be able to speak to Victor some time soon and ask why they cancelled it.

danparent · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2009, 08:20:54 PM »

Hey Taylor,

Thanks for your support! Also, nice to see you at NY Comic Con.

Thanks,
Dan

Frank · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2009, 11:26:11 PM »

The group is picking-up some steam! It's at 10 members, but that's pretty good for the amount of time it has been active.

Ginny · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2009, 06:46:33 AM »

I hope the title doesn't get the plug. Good on you for creating this group, Frank.

Frank · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:47:22 PM »

We're up to 16 members on the Facebook group. That's pretty good I think. Considering that it's only been around a few days.

If 16 people are passionate enough to join the Facebook group - how many more care about the title, but are just being silent?

I guess sales is the ultimate measure of success in business - and we have to respect that, but I really wonder if a dozen or so issues might still be worth doing - at least until #100.

AyaBlue · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2009, 09:55:52 PM »

I signed up and see that there are 24 people who have joined the group (myself included) so, that's definitely encouraging!

Frank · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:04:22 PM »

I've made a few more cross-postings and people are saying some very nice things over in the CGC forums about our friend Dan Parent. Both as a person and an artist. It seems his appearances at conventions are much appreciated by those fortunate enough to attend!

Frank · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:19:45 PM »

Oooo! Things are heating up! The group has gotten about 11 new members in less than 2 hours! Keep letting your friends know and post in the other forums that you frequent.

I hope that Archie Comics may decide to let us get at least to issue #100 with this series.

Here's the deal as I see it.

Every comic artist has a path of evolution. In many cases, an artist will work with and learn a style of art from one of the greats. There are many artists that used Ditko, Kirby, and Adams as folks to admire and then "came into their own" over time.

When we look at the greats such as Carl Barks and Walt Kelly, we can see the Rosa's and Jeff Smith's of today working from a common starting point and evolving their skills and the community forward. Don't even get me started on Eisner.

Why does this come up here? I think the current group of Archie artists has the potential to take Archie Comics (and us fans) somewhere very special in comics history.

B&V Spectacular is a book that shows an artist evolving. Some may not enjoy the style as much (hello TM), but many do. Take B&V Spectacular #69 to present and place them end-to-end. Notice something? I notice an artist becoming a true "voice" in the medium. So - jumping-up-and-down fanboy aside

I think this title is good for Archie Comics.

It's different in a good way.

Whenever I see it on the newsstand - it's always well-thumbed. Sadly, sales would be better if the copies weren't damaged by so many people looking at them!

They should do the next issues with a trading card in them and shrink-wrap them to prevent "newsstand readers" from messing them up. Then we'd see sales increase!

AyaBlue · « **Reply #12 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:25:04 PM »

I honestly don't know that any of the people I know (besides the fine folks here!) read Archie comics. Shame too, really.

Frank · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2009, 07:26:29 PM »

68 members and counting! Whoo Hooo!

archiecomicsfan27 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2009, 08:02:02 PM »

Even Fernando Ruiz signed up!! I thought that was cool of him to do!!

Frank · « **Reply #15 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:09:49 PM »

It's actually pretty amazing the reaction I am getting outside of Archie fandom.
There's a forum over at CGC comics where some pretty "heavy hitter" collectors hang-out. We're talking about they type of collector that posts things like "only 5 more Timely books and I have them all".....crazy stuff.

Anyhow - there is a thread there where folks can post Archie covers they like. Plenty of older material. I posted B&V Spectacular #85 and got some comments that were very positive.

People really LIKE this comic. Obviously, they should also BUY more copies, but I think this will happen in time.

The truth is - this title didn't get it's current format change all that long ago. Issue #69 to be exact. This means that if they cancel at issue #90 - the new format only had a 21 issue run. Not very much.

I really hope Archie Comics will see the fans like this book and will give it another 10 issues to #100 at the least.

archiecomicsfan27 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:15:18 PM »

Frank- have you notified anyone from Archie Comics Management about the group?? This is really one book I don't want to see go...

Frank · « **Reply #17 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:40:44 PM »

I've written them an e-mail as well as a separate note on the Facebook group.

The group has hit 70 people, so I am going to send them a note tomorrow or Friday to update them.

I encourage anyone interested in this book continuing to write. They will take you seriously! I'm going for any type of win here - 10 more issues, digest, magazine size....something!

archiecomicsfan27 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2009, 11:30:52 PM »

I encourage everyone on that Facebook page to write to Archie Comics and buy a copy of the next Betty and Veronica Spectacular!!

Oldiesmann · « **Reply #19 on:** February 26, 2009, 02:53:40 AM »

I don't know anyone who reads it, but I hate to see it canceled as I'm sure a lot of young teen girls love it. Great to see the group picking up steam. I'm in there now (PS - Frank and Fernando, you have friend requests

). Will comment on it tomorrow when I'm more awake.

Frank · « **Reply #20 on:** February 26, 2009, 08:57:37 AM »

I'm not seeing the friend request? Anyone that is on Facebook - please do send me a friend request. I'm the Frank that started the group - so I should be easy to find

Frank · « **Reply #21 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:01:51 PM »

I got the request - anyone else is welcome to "friend" me.

There are now 80 people in the group! This is great!

Overkill · « **Reply #22 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:45:46 PM »

Just joined. =)

Frank · « **Reply #23 on:** February 26, 2009, 10:06:17 PM »

Quote from: Overkill on February 26, 2009, 09:45:46 PM

Just joined. =)

May good karma be yours!

Overkill · « **Reply #24 on:** February 26, 2009, 10:09:06 PM »

Quote from: Frank on February 26, 2009, 10:06:17 PM

Quote from: Overkill on February 26, 2009, 09:45:46 PM
Just joined. =)

May good karma be yours!

As well as yours for creating this group.

I really hope it has an impact!

FernandoRuiz · « **Reply #25 on:** March 02, 2009, 11:24:20 AM »

I just mentioned this over at the Facebook page but I thought it'd be worth bringing it up here too.

Last week when I mentioned the Save Betty & Veronica Spectacular Facebook page up at the Archie offices, I was told the book had missed being spared from cancellation by only a few hundred copies. That isn't really an insurmountable number. For example, the Facebook page has eighty-five members, if each member bought ten copies a piece of the remaining issues that would be eight-hundred and fifty copies! That would certainly get noticed up at the offices!

Come on! Let's make B&VSpec the Spider Girl of Archie Comics!

Overkill · « **Reply #26 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:22:21 PM »

If that's honestly going to get noticed at Archie Comics, then I'll have no problem shelling out some extra money to buy 10 more copies on my next trip to my LCS.

archiecomicsfan27 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 02, 2009, 02:00:34 PM »

Seriously everyone needs to go ahead and buy the books!!

Frank · « **Reply #28 on:** March 02, 2009, 04:48:12 PM »

This is actually great news and I hope it comes to pass. I really don't expect everyone to buy 10 copies in this tough economic times, but I will!

On the Facebook page, I stated that I think this book can make it on it's own with just a little more time - 10 issues. So, my motto is 10 for 10!

I'll plan on giving the extras I get away as gifts and at Halloween next year.

Frank · « **Reply #29 on:** March 02, 2009, 05:07:58 PM »

Okay - I've done my bit and asked for 10 copies a month on this book. Hopefully, this will come to pass. I know a lot of people that I can hand a copy to that would appreciate it - so it works for me.

Again - I also understand that not everyone can do this - even just buying one copy a month helps!

Frank · « **Reply #30 on:** March 03, 2009, 11:51:51 AM »

Wow! We are at 91 members now. This is great and we are getting close to triple digits. I think that if we get to 100 members then it will make an even bigger impression on the folks at Archie Comics.

I haven't sent them an update for awhile, but I can see that there are several people keeping them informed (thanks).

So far, I haven't gotten an e-mail acknowledging my comment submissions, but I am not sure if they normally would respond or not.

It's great to see how many people really like this title. Diamond sales that I saw in January seemed to place this book as a better direct sales seller then many other Archie books. It made the list of Diamond's top 300 - which not all books seem to do.

Captain Hero · « **Reply #31 on:** March 05, 2009, 04:40:21 PM »

I'm amazed at the number of people signing up for the FaceBook group every day. I wonder how many from here have signed up...from what I gather, it sounds like quite a lot!

Frank · « **Reply #32 on:** March 05, 2009, 08:21:56 PM »

It's climbing towards 100! It's nice to see some support.

It'll be nicer if Archie gives us just 10 more issues to see sales improve....pleeeeeese....

archieandme · « **Reply #33 on:** March 05, 2009, 10:38:07 PM »

I've got most issues of this comic. I always thought it interesting the way Archie comics gave the comic book kind of a magazine twist. It was a little like what they did with Archie's Mechanics in the 1950's.

The one thing that I think put's it at risk for lower sales is that, by redesigning it into a magazine format, it looks like it's clearly aimed at female readers only. Unfortunately that would be a turn off to young male fans of Archie comics.

I hope that they can be convinced to keep it alive.

Tuxedo Mark · « **Reply #34 on:** March 06, 2009, 09:04:52 AM »

Quote from: archieandme on March 05, 2009, 10:38:07 PM

The one thing that I think put's it at risk for lower sales is that, by redesigning it into a magazine format, it looks like it's clearly aimed at female readers only. Unfortunately that would be a turn off to young male fans of Archie comics.

As someone that flips through each new issue of "Lucky", it's not a turn-off for me.

I'm just not able to get pamphlet titles locally.

AyaBlue · « **Reply #35 on:** March 06, 2009, 10:18:22 PM »

I wonder how many people from this site have signed up with the Facebook group, and if some people will find their way here to this page as a result.

Frank · « **Reply #36 on:** March 13, 2009, 03:05:10 PM »

98 Members! Only 2 more to get to 100!

Gotapenname · « **Reply #37 on:** March 14, 2009, 02:33:04 PM »

I have signed up. Maybe I should start one to get Reggie his own comic

ronnie343 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 14, 2009, 04:58:11 PM »

Just joined! Even though it's 101, now.

Frank · « **Reply #39 on:** March 15, 2009, 12:57:59 PM »

Hoooray! We're over 100 members. A mini-milestone

Frank · « **Reply #40 on:** March 16, 2009, 01:25:40 PM »

The next phase is to get some physical letters to the Archie offices. Anyone so inclined with a spare stamp and envelope around - please write and post a letter off to the company.

Archie Comic Publications, Inc.
PO Box 419
Mamaroneck, NY 10543-0419

Stay tuned for even more.

We need to let the fine folks at Archie know that there are many of us that like the title. You know what they say in plumbing! - "no pressure, no flow!"

Frank · « **Reply #41 on:** May 23, 2009, 04:11:00 PM »

I've purchased 10 copies of the latest B&V Spectacular and am giving away copies with stickers that say:

"Save this comic! Visit the Save Betty & Veronica Facebook group, write Archie, pass this comic to friends. Don't let them cancel this title!"

I am hoping people will pass them along.

I'm also Book-Crossing them. www.bookcrossing.com

So they can be tracked and seen.

AyaBlue · « **Reply #42 on:** May 30, 2009, 09:39:10 PM »

That's great, Frank! What do the stickers look like?

Frank · « **Reply #43 on:** May 31, 2009, 02:16:13 AM »

You can see some at: www.bookcrossing.com - I ordered a set, plus put my own on there (just white labels)

D-Rock · « **Reply #44 on:** July 05, 2009, 10:26:54 PM »

Just so you guys know, you've won... sort of.

Betty & Veronica Spectacular is moving to an iPhone-only format, with the possibility of web-based versions on archiecomics.com as well for those without iPhones.

jdh417 · « **Reply #45 on:** July 16, 2009, 11:54:49 PM »

http://www.iversecomics.com/archie

Confirmed in issue #90, last page. It says that the next issue will be available this winter at iverse.

Frank · « **Reply #46 on:** July 17, 2009, 03:39:14 PM »

I think there are still 2 more "print" issues as well (#91/#92) - however, I could be wrong and they might have jumped to all digital.

John Asperger · « **Reply #47 on:** September 14, 2009, 09:22:13 PM »

...I'm not real enthused about any material being digital-only , especially " regular " comics material .
Mightn't it see print somewhere , even if B&VS. must discontinue

??

Oldiesmann · « **Reply #48 on:** September 24, 2009, 12:01:18 PM »

There are two problems with digital comics:
1. No physical copy to carry with you and read wherever you want it.
2. Once you cancel your subscription, you no longer have access to the comics.

In addition, B&V Spectacular targets young girls who wouldn't have a way to pay for such a subscription.

Bad move on Archie's part.

Captain Hero · « **Reply #49 on:** September 24, 2009, 12:53:42 PM »

Quote from: Oldiesmann on September 24, 2009, 12:01:18 PM

There are two problems with digital comics:
1. No physical copy to carry with you and read wherever you want it.
2. Once you cancel your subscription, you no longer have access to the comics.

In addition, B&V Spectacular targets young girls who wouldn't have a way to pay for such a subscription.

Bad move on Archie's part.

I completely agree. They should have kept both methods of print open to the public. As someone who is financially incapable of buying an Ipod or a cell phone or some other method of downloading digital comics, this is a blow.

Oldiesmann · « **Reply #50 on:** September 24, 2009, 03:42:08 PM »

You can subscribe at http://www.archiedigital.com without buying an iPhone or iPod Touch, but still, making it digital-only when most of the readers are too young to be able to use the service makes little sense.

Surprise · « **Reply #51 on:** September 24, 2009, 04:16:30 PM »

Quote from: Captain Hero on September 24, 2009, 12:53:42 PM

Quote from: Oldiesmann on September 24, 2009, 12:01:18 PM
There are two problems with digital comics:
1. No physical copy to carry with you and read wherever you want it.
2. Once you cancel your subscription, you no longer have access to the comics.

In addition, B&V Spectacular targets young girls who wouldn't have a way to pay for such a subscription.

Bad move on Archie's part.

I completely agree. They should have kept both methods of print open to the public. As someone who is financially incapable of buying an Ipod or a cell phone or some other method of downloading digital comics, this is a blow.

I for one am getting tired of everything having to be done by computer.

John Asperger · « **Reply #52 on:** May 27, 2010, 08:29:39 PM »

...Did B&V Digest #202 use the material from the " digital-only

" B&V Spectacular ish

I guess I said this elsewhere , then , I do think Archie's demographic/audience would have an above-average amount of people , young families and " not the richest " people , who , even if thay don't literally have NO computer access , would have relatively little/perhaps not owning one/" no time-money for frivolous computer use "( or buying a digital comic for the hard drive , if that's what it amounts to ...)...

suzanimated · « **Reply #53 on:** May 28, 2010, 11:13:53 AM »

Quote from: John Asperger on May 27, 2010, 08:29:39 PM

...Did B&V Digest #202 use the material from the " digital-only " B&V Spectacular ish

The Archie Digests and Double Digest are a mix of original and reprint material. We put a lot of effort into making sure that material is not printed in any format more than a acertain amount of times in a certain amount of year. What is reprint is probably obvious to this forum, as you're all pretty hardcore

I checked B&V Digest #202 - the first story is original, written specifically for that issue. The second seems to be a reprint in the same style, so it is possible that it was originally published in a B&V Spectacular. HOWEVER, the only B&V Spectacular content that is exclusively digital at this time, are those following issue #90.

So the short answer is no, lol. Similar style, as Dan Parent was pretty exclusively the B&V Spectacular artist, but not the same material.

John Asperger · « **Reply #54 on:** May 28, 2010, 07:12:22 PM »

...Thank you

.

Frank · « **Reply #55 on:** June 23, 2010, 12:33:19 AM »

I love computers - it's my career.
I love digital books - much easier to read.

I do NOT like digital comics. They are nice on the iPad, but not as nice as printed copies. They need to bring this book back.....

Katie1290 · « **Reply #56 on:** November 21, 2010, 06:56:06 PM »

i can't begin to fathom why they would discontinue this series, its fantastic

Frank · « **Reply #57 on:** November 22, 2010, 02:44:10 PM »

I will say this - Archie Comics was very kind in replying to my e-mails. In fact, I daresay they seemed pretty impressed at the initial reaction on Facebook and the power of social media (at one point, we even had a YouTube video trying to save the book).

They "sort of" brought the book back by coming out with a magazine comic - which is a great start - now we just need some of the regular Archie artists working on it. (and me writing it - but that's another thing

Frank · « **Reply #58 on:** November 22, 2010, 03:11:21 PM »

!!!!!! what the???!!

As I wrote the above, I switched over to Facebook and saw the announcement of the new Veronica and Betty magazine.

I am having a very good "Archie" day!

Tuxedo Mark · « **Reply #59 on:** November 25, 2010, 11:14:53 PM »

I went to http://www.archiedigital.com and hit Subscribe to see what it entails, and I got this message:

There is a problem with this website's security certificate.

The security certificate presented by this website has expired or is not yet valid.

Security certificate problems may indicate an attempt to fool you or intercept any data you send to the server.

We recommend that you close this webpage and do not continue to this website.

Oldiesmann · « **Reply #60 on:** November 29, 2010, 06:24:27 PM »

According to Firefox (which, in most cases, gives much more useful error messages than IE), the security certificate expired on October 26th. Surprised that they would let a month go by without renewing it!

Frank · « **Reply #61 on:** November 30, 2010, 05:01:48 PM »

Hmmm... it looks like my subscription auto-renewed for the site. So I have another year of reading digital books. It's "okay" - I have gotten somewhat used to it on the computer and iPad, but I still need paper copies when/where available.

Banshee · « **Reply #62 on:** February 10, 2011, 10:14:31 AM »

I just joined your group.

Fantasy · « **Reply #63 on:** December 08, 2011, 08:59:07 PM »

Count me in ! Supporting all the way !

totoro1972 · « **Reply #64 on:** June 25, 2012, 11:13:58 AM »

i suppose this group is no longer active, only has one member, since the thread is so old

Oldiesmann · « **Reply #65 on:** June 25, 2012, 06:01:20 PM »

Good point... Un-stickied the topic

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