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Offline Tuxedo Mark

Story Alterations
« on: January 23, 2008, 12:36:44 AM »
I thought I'd start a thread where we can post examples of previously-printed Archie stories being altered in some way when reprinted. This can mean censoring, artwork changes, dialogue changes, or whatever. Pictures to illustrate the changes are optional.

I'll start with a story that I recently read in Betty and Veronica #1 (6/87) called "Family Friends". I had read that same story a short while before that in Betty and Veronica Double Digest Magazine #157 (2/08), so I decided to grab it and compare them for fun.

The artwork isn't new. Everything appeared the same. However, I did notice alterations in 2 panels. When Betty and Veronica are riding in Veronica's convertible in the original printing, the top is down. In the reprint, a top has been added, obscuring their heads and clothes.

I see no reason or explanation for this. Does anyone know why this was done?

Anyone have any other examples?




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Offline Garth Jensen

Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2008, 02:03:24 AM »
I'm so glad this thread came up!!!  I'm a new member, and I discovered this forum while searching for information about Archie stories!  I've noticed that especially lately, the digest reprints alter a LOT of material from the original stories.  Here's some recent examples I've found:

In Betty & Veronica Double Digest #69, there's a B&V story called "Scents-ation" which has Veronica saying that a certain cologne "just turns me on".  Betty gets a bottle of this cologne for Archie's birthday only to find out he wants it for Veronica because it "turns her on".  This story was recently reprinted in B&V Double Digest #150 with all references to "turns her on" being changed to "drives her crazy."

In Archie's Double Digest #93, there's an Al Hartley story called "It's A Gas" where Archie fills his tires with helium and ends up floating in the sky.  A few key changes happen when it was reprinted in Archie Digest #239.  Archie Digest #239 includes the new story where they retcon Archie's grandfather Artie as being the owner of Archie's classic jalopy, and that it ended up in Mr Lodge's car collection.  So after that story, the reprint of "It's A Gas" changes one panel on the first page to explain the car is Mr. Lodge's.  In the original story it costs $2 to fill the tires with helium, it's $5 in the reprint. And Moose's dialogue on the last page is totally changed.  The original goes "D-uh -- It's like we wuz riding on Gossamer wings."  This changes to "D-uh -- It's like riding on a cotton candy road."

There was a 1972 story called "The Pad Fad" in Life With Archie #117.  The story gets reprinted in Archie's Double Digest #100 with nothing changed except for Mary Andrews' appearance.  The original story shows her as a hefty white haired woman, where the reprint edits her to not only be skinnier but changes her hair to the "modern" style she wears in the 80s and onward, with the short upswept red hair.  She is the only character altered in every panel of the story.

And Tuxedo, as a Cheryl Blossom fan, I remember there was a big change to one of the stories she appeared in.  There was an Everything's Archie story published in the early 1980's where Cheryl basically forces the Archies to take her in as their lead singer in order to keep a gig they were playing.  At the end of the story when she debuts as their singer, she comes out in lingerie complete with fishnets and a garter belt.  I don't remember what issue it appeared in, but the reprint appeared sometime in the 90s, with her lingerie completely reinked to be a tasteful dress.  It totally ruined the punchline of the original story!

I've also noticed many one page gags being completely rewritten with old art, but new gags.  There was a Josie And The Pussycats gag with Alex Cabot singing and Valerie cracking "He's the only singer who can bring a tear to my ear."  The rewrite appears in B&V Double Digest #150, with the new line "Only Alex's singing can wake the dead."

This is only the tip of the iceberg   ;)

Offline Gregg

Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2008, 08:18:26 AM »
Great observations Garth! Welcome to the board. :)

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Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2008, 10:48:58 AM »
I remember that Cheryl Blossom story. If nothing else, that is the image of Cheryl that automatically comes to mind when I think of her. We should try to get that image for this link. It's a doozy!

Offline AyaBlue

Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2008, 12:33:37 PM »
Wow, Garth - those are all great observations! It would be great if someone has, and could scan, a few of those changes in! I'll be sure to check my collection for the stories you'd mentioned!


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Offline Captain Hero

Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2008, 04:07:11 PM »
The standard ones deal with changing the text.  For instance, Veronica once said that she went to the carnival in Rio in 1987 back in the 1990's.  10 years later, it was changed to 1997.

But, here's an interesting change.  There was a story in which Archie impersonates Mr. Lodge for a father/daughter dance because Mr. Lodge couldn't get time off to take Veronica.  Well, Mr. Lodge ends up dancing with Betty, and Betty remarked that it wasn't like dancing with someone's father.  Veronica got mad at Archie and sent him away, while Mr. Lodge managed to make it to the dance after all.  Of course, Veronica, thinking Mr. Lodge was Archie totally talked back and berated him.  Depending on the version you have, you could have 2 VERY DIFFERENT outcomes.

In the 2000 version (which I have, but don't remember what book it appears in), Mr. Lodge takes a chair and forces Veronica to stand in the corner...

...but this version appeared in Jughead Jones Digest #11 (Dec. 1979), with a DIFFERENT outcome...one that I could see why they decided to change after a while.


Offline Banshee

Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2008, 04:09:34 PM »
Sad to see today's kid readers being babied like that. :-\

That's also why most of today's animated cartoons on TV, animated movies, and newspaper comics are pretty mediocre lately.

To protect today's frail children from EVERYTHING in sight, no thanks to their overprotective soccer moms. In fact, many of the poor kids are even allergic to PEANUT BUTTER and they CAN'T even watch any of episodes of Sesame Street that WE grew up with! No kidding. :'(

Just my opinion.

Anyway, just let me weed up some old and new stories with such changes you're talking and scan them when I can, ok?:)

(One thing I notice the MOST about the changes in Archie comics is how the girls' lipstick changed from a bright red to a modest pink, BTW!)
 

Offline Oldiesmann

Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2008, 04:27:57 PM »
Welcome to the board Garth!

Thanks for all the info :)
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Offline Tuxedo Mark

Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 05:37:53 PM »
Here's an observation that I made in another thread a while ago, but I'll repeat it here.

I was reading Cheryl Blossom Special #2 from 1995.

I was so excited to see "Color Coded" reprinted as a flashback story. It was my first Cheryl story ever. I had first seen it as a reprint in Archie Comics Digest Magazine, No. 102 (6/90).

The thing is the full-sized reprint in Cheryl Blossom Special #2 is censored.

They removed three words from Cheryl's dialogue where she's offering Archie a ride home: "we'll fool around". Apparently, what was acceptable 5 years earlier for Archie Comics was no longer acceptable by 1995. Characters were no longer allowed to "fool around" - because that would imply teh seks - even though Cheryl and Archie were shown only kissing (admittedly, this was "sometime later" and right before she left Archie's house).




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Offline MJBivouac

Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2008, 01:24:16 AM »
Sad to see today's kid readers being babied like that. :-\

That's also why most of today's animated cartoons on TV, animated movies, and newspaper comics are pretty mediocre lately.

To protect today's frail children from EVERYTHING in sight, no thanks to their overprotective soccer moms. In fact, many of the poor kids are even allergic to PEANUT BUTTER and they CAN'T even watch any of episodes of Sesame Street that WE grew up with! No kidding. :'(

Just my opinion.

Anyway, just let me weed up some old and new stories with such changes you're talking and scan them when I can, ok?:)

(One thing I notice the MOST about the changes in Archie comics is how the girls' lipstick changed from a bright red to a modest pink, BTW!)
 
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Offline Forsythe

Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2008, 09:12:54 AM »
"It took 6 whole hours and 5 long days 4 all your lies to come undone, and those 3 small words were way 2 late, 'cause you can't see that I'm the 1."

- Josie and the Pussycats


You ought to quote it like this!

The next complete book in line (after Archie #1 in Archie Digest #236 and Jughead #1 in Jugheads Double Digest #138 on sale next month) has to be Betty and Veronica #1. Theres a story in there where Betty picks up Mr Coopers hunting rifle as a favor for her Dad (it had just been cleaned) The man gives it to her unwrapped and she carries it all over town, waving it every which way, scaring peolpe half to death! I'm very curious if they'll be brave enough to print this one at all, much less unaltered!

:)

Offline Tuxedo Mark

Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2008, 11:07:54 AM »
"It took 6 whole hours and 5 long days 4 all your lies to come undone, and those 3 small words were way 2 late, 'cause you can't see that I'm the 1."

- Josie and the Pussycats


You ought to quote it like this!

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but I wanted to see if anyone else got it. :)




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Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2008, 12:39:02 PM »
I love that pic of Mr.Lodge and Veronica!

Yeah, I think all of the older fans here wish they wouldn't make the Archie stories so simple these days. It'll be interesting to see how they handle Veronica's move out of the family house. If I recall, Archie's move showed the real world in a pretty harsh way.

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Offline AyaBlue

Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2008, 02:22:43 PM »
I remember a story where the girls were building sandcastles on the beach, and the guys were feeling left out, so they built their own "sandcastles" which turned out to just be a larger, sand-version of Betty and Veronica. The story was in one of the first comics I'd ever read, and I don't remember giving it much notice. In a later issue, when the story was reprinted, the large sand-girls were drawn with obvious bathing suit lines that had previously been left out. Only then did I really think anything of the earlier comic without the suits. I guess the implications of large, naked, sand people is a big no-no.


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Offline ronnie343

Re: Story Alterations
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2008, 03:27:03 PM »
I remember a recent one when I saw the story lines were immediately changed. I didn't see the original, though. The story is about when Ron open's her own boutique called Recently Ron's, which is where she gives all her clothes to after wearing them ONCE. There were four altered lines:"Here's another one." "Wait! I haven't worn that one, yet!" "Enough money for her to buy the entire Tommy Girl Collection." "I'm sorry, Ms. Lodge, but I cannot tell which ones you have and haven't worn." I think they altered it because the previous one didn't really go along with the story line.
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