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The Jughead/Veronica Feud

Started by Thrillho, April 09, 2016, 05:56:50 PM

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Thrillho

Quote from: Chic Cooper on May 23, 2016, 12:52:09 PM
More for the Jughead/Veronica feud ship thread.  ;)


Seems like you know the purpose of this thread.  ;D

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on May 23, 2016, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: daren on May 23, 2016, 03:11:14 AM
...I wonder why there's no Jughead Veronica fan art, it seems like a popular ship?  ???



From what I've seen online, the Jughead/Betty ship is more popular?

Original Sin posted some fun ones, we had a thread on the old site. There is this on tumblr for the new Archie series. This is a thumbnail I saved from one that the artist took down:


The artist is BehindtheVeil at deviantart but I don't know if he or she has an account there anymore.

My friend made me a cute one but I'll have to track down the physical copy since I think I only posted it on the old site.

Here's two more. If I can muster enough courage I might post one I posted on the old site.

I think outside of this site Betty/Jughead is more popular than Jughead/Veronica and Betty/Reggie but we're a more passionate bunch here.  :D


60sBettyandReggie

Quote from: Thrillho on May 23, 2016, 07:52:37 PM
...I think outside of this site Betty/Jughead is more popular than Jughead/Veronica and Betty/Reggie but we're a more passionate bunch here.  :D


haha, that is so true!  ;D

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: invisifan on May 23, 2016, 10:05:33 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 23, 2016, 05:58:56 AM
Quote from: daren on May 23, 2016, 03:57:06 AM
It's true. I wish we could have both but classic somewhat discontinuous Archie is way more important.

I forgot to add that after the 1987 volume 2 'soft reboot' (so soft it went undetected by most readers apart from the numbering), continuity was not only allowed but seemingly encouraged. Yet even so, ACP didn't totally abandon the earlier flexibility of cartoon reality, so in a way, you got the benefits of both, by not applying the idea of 'continuity' TOO strictly -- but this period is where you first began to see footnotes acknowledging the events of previous stories.

Note, for example, that this is the period where stories too at-variance with 'standard Archie' became specifically delineated as "fictional" -- a play put on by The Mighty Archie Art Players, where previously, the exact same type of story (taking place in another time period, or parodying a movie or book) would have just appeared with no attempt to justify their anomalous nature.
The whole cartoon reality thing (as you define it — I'd really look for a different term though, that one's taken) applied to comics in general until the Silver Age when Marvel especially, and DC more hesitantly, began to do footnotes & backrefs to establish continuity ... Archie was just a little late to the game ... and DC frequently branded soon of their better stories which would have substantially changed the status quo as "imaginary" (where later they'd get an "Elseworlds" brand) ...


No. Archie's "reality" was always more loosely defined than DC's (and pre-Marvel Timely/Atlas). Not so much because of continuity, but because Archie was always more of a cartoon character, as opposed to DC and Marvel's adventure characters. Would Batman and Robin, for example, in 1958 appear in a story where (for no reason ever even attempted to explain) they are suddenly dressing and acting like beatniks? No, that gets accepted by readers of Archie comics at that time, because it's a cartoon. There's no need to explain why. Just like for no reason the Archie gang could appear in a story where (again, no attempt at ANY explanation) they are living in ancient Roman times. THAT is cartoon reality. Y'know, like Bugs Bunny.

Thrillho

Quote from: daren on May 23, 2016, 03:11:14 AM
Zdarsky says in a tweet that he thinks Jughead is "asexual with aromantic leanings" and that if Jughead was older he'd probably make him asexual but not aromantic. Yeah a lot of people wouldnt like it if Jughead started dating in the reboot, unfortunately that book probably won't last long enough for his sexuality to matter. Someone posted the sales figures recently and I'd guess it's only got a few years left. I'd like to think the tv show will help but I doubt it will much.  :(


Even as bad as things are for classic Archie right now, that's probably the version with the best chance of surviving, maybe with some changes and hopefully another 32 pager someday. I don't know if ACP will ever call classic Jughead asexual but I guess it would be a good idea, it would give some representation without changing anything about him since "asexual" as I guess you know covers everything from aromantics to demisexuals and occasional primary sexual attraction (classic Archie wouldnt be obvious about that now, but in the future they might pull anything).


But yeah, ACP would never make classic Jughead strictly aromantic for the reason you said, it cuts off potential stories. I don't think even most advocates of asexual Jughead want that with all the Jughead ship art I've seen them post lately. I'd be happy with all-aro classic Jughead but I'm okay with almost all aro since most people want him to have some romantic potential.




-//------


Okay, I went looking for Jughead/Veronica fan art, there isn't any, but I found this:







Bob Montana didn't intend for Jughead to be completely aromantic. That clinches it, creator intent counts for a lot with me, not everything but a lot.


Dan Parent has a theory



I can definitely get behind this

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: Thrillho on May 23, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
Quote from: daren on May 23, 2016, 03:11:14 AM
Zdarsky says in a tweet that he thinks Jughead is "asexual with aromantic leanings" and that if Jughead was older he'd probably make him asexual but not aromantic. Yeah a lot of people wouldnt like it if Jughead started dating in the reboot, unfortunately that book probably won't last long enough for his sexuality to matter. Someone posted the sales figures recently and I'd guess it's only got a few years left. I'd like to think the tv show will help but I doubt it will much.  :(


Even as bad as things are for classic Archie right now, that's probably the version with the best chance of surviving, maybe with some changes and hopefully another 32 pager someday. I don't know if ACP will ever call classic Jughead asexual but I guess it would be a good idea, it would give some representation without changing anything about him since "asexual" as I guess you know covers everything from aromantics to demisexuals and occasional primary sexual attraction (classic Archie wouldnt be obvious about that now, but in the future they might pull anything).


But yeah, ACP would never make classic Jughead strictly aromantic for the reason you said, it cuts off potential stories. I don't think even most advocates of asexual Jughead want that with all the Jughead ship art I've seen them post lately. I'd be happy with all-aro classic Jughead but I'm okay with almost all aro since most people want him to have some romantic potential.




-//------


Okay, I went looking for Jughead/Veronica fan art, there isn't any, but I found this:







Bob Montana didn't intend for Jughead to be completely aromantic. That clinches it, creator intent counts for a lot with me, not everything but a lot.


Dan Parent has a theory



I can definitely get behind this


NOOOO!!!  I WANT TO READ THE REST OF IT!!!

Thrillho

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 23, 2016, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: Thrillho on May 23, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
Dan Parent has a theory



I can definitely get behind this


NOOOO!!!  I WANT TO READ THE REST OF IT!!!

It was in a Veronica floppy but I sold off my collection, and I don't remember the specific issue but it's reprinted in World of Archie Digest #12, Veronica's Wonderful Life.













daren

Quote from: Thrillho on May 23, 2016, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 23, 2016, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: Thrillho on May 23, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
Dan Parent has a theory



I can definitely get behind this


NOOOO!!!  I WANT TO READ THE REST OF IT!!!

It was in a Veronica floppy but I sold off my collection, and I don't remember the specific issue but it's reprinted in World of Archie Digest #12, Veronica's Wonderful Life.
















If Dan Parent isn't a Jughead/Veronica shipper I'll eat my own shoe.






daren

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on May 23, 2016, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: daren on May 23, 2016, 03:11:14 AM
...I wonder why there's no Jughead Veronica fan art, it seems like a popular ship?  ???


From what I've seen online, the Jughead/Betty ship is more popular?


I don't think it's so much more popular that it would have that much more fan art though, I suspect other reasons too.




Quote from: Original Sin on May 23, 2016, 09:05:08 AM
Quote from: daren on May 23, 2016, 03:11:14 AM
I wonder why there's no Jughead Veronica fan art, it seems like a popular ship?  ???

I did some Jug/Ronnie fan art stuff.





;D





Quote from: Thrillho on May 23, 2016, 07:52:37 PM


Original Sin posted some fun ones, we had a thread on the old site. There is this on tumblr for the new Archie series.

The page is blank.

Quote
This is a thumbnail I saved from one that the artist took down:


The artist is BehindtheVeil at deviantart but I don't know if he or she has an account there anymore.

My friend made me a cute one but I'll have to track down the physical copy since I think I only posted it on the old site.

Here's two more. If I can muster enough courage I might post one I posted on the old site.



Go ahead, even though I'm not a shipper I'm surprised I'm enjoying all these. I think the tv show's fried my shipping instincts and opened me up to new realms just a crack.


daren


DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: Thrillho on May 23, 2016, 10:15:33 PM
It was in a Veronica floppy but I sold off my collection, and I don't remember the specific issue but it's reprinted in World of Archie Digest #12, Veronica's Wonderful Life.




Thanks for posting that, Thrillho! Not the only variation on "A Wonderful Life" I've seen in a Veronica story, either, but this one's a gem. Plus it's got Sugar Plum in it, always a good thing.

Thrillho

Quote from: daren on May 24, 2016, 02:54:32 AM
The page is blank.

:P FAIL

This link should work  ;D

Quote from: daren on May 24, 2016, 02:36:29 AM
If Dan Parent isn't a Jughead/Veronica shipper I'll eat my own shoe.

It's pretty obvious that he is. A lot of the stuff on the old thread was written and drawn by him.



He made Jughead Veronica's first crush



I mean he has them sharing their first kiss together.



Has them going on dates



A lot of accidental kisses

and then there's this



His hand probably isn't up her skirt but it looks that way.  :o


daren

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 24, 2016, 10:51:07 AM
Quote from: Thrillho on May 23, 2016, 10:15:33 PM
It was in a Veronica floppy but I sold off my collection, and I don't remember the specific issue but it's reprinted in World of Archie Digest #12, Veronica's Wonderful Life.




Thanks for posting that, Thrillho! Not the only variation on "A Wonderful Life" I've seen in a Veronica story, either, but this one's a gem. Plus it's got Sugar Plum in it, always a good thing.


Yeah the script is full of high points and I like how Sugar Plum does the Betty role since Betty can't be there.




daren

Quote from: Thrillho on May 24, 2016, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: daren on May 24, 2016, 02:54:32 AM
The page is blank.

:P FAIL

This link should work  ;D

Quote from: daren on May 24, 2016, 02:36:29 AM
If Dan Parent isn't a Jughead/Veronica shipper I'll eat my own shoe.

It's pretty obvious that he is. A lot of the stuff on the old thread was written and drawn by him.



He made Jughead Veronica's first crush



I mean he has them sharing their first kiss together.



Has them going on dates



A lot of accidental kisses

and then there's this



His hand probably isn't up her skirt but it looks that way.  :o




It's SOMEWHERE it doesn't belong.  ;)  I knew it! Dan Parent's not so secret ship! I bet the other writers have them too. Where does the talk show page come from? Thanks for reposting the fan art, there MIGHT be cyanide in that burger (jk) but good drawing.

Thrillho

Quote from: daren on May 25, 2016, 02:27:24 AM
I knew it! Dan Parent's not so secret ship! I bet the other writers have them too. Where does the talk show page come from?

I remember years ago on the old official Archie comics website, late '90s, early 2000s, it mentioned Jughead/Betty was a favorite among some Archie comics writers.

The "Dates of Your Lives" story is in Betty and Veronica Digest #200

Thrillho

Going back to their adversarial roots



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