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The Jughead/Veronica Feud

Started by Thrillho, April 09, 2016, 05:56:50 PM

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daren

Quote from: Thrillho on June 13, 2016, 02:37:45 PM
HA! Great story! Back when Veronica was a good cook, I see.  ;D Does anyone else remember a story where Jughead eats candies Veronica made but they were really bird treats?


Yeah and not only did Jughead like her food but her father expected to, he must know she's a good cook in that story. I like Ronnie as a bad cook better though, it's funnier. I never saw the bird treat story.




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Maybe, sometimes Veronica doesn't have to do anything for her to earn Jughead's wrath but it can be the other way around too. Birds gotta fly, fish gotta swim, Jug's gotta annoy Veronica, especially if Dan Parent writes it.




Maybe she doesn't put up with a LOT more, but, more. In most Archie feuds the villain character IS the offender more (Betty vs. Veronica, Archie vs. Reggie, Jughead vs. Reggie), but with Jughead and Veronica, he does seem to sin against her more than the reverse, I never noticed how much till I started paying attention to these stories.

60sBettyandReggie

Quote from: daren on June 14, 2016, 03:46:24 AM
Quote from: Thrillho on June 13, 2016, 02:37:45 PM
HA! Great story! Back when Veronica was a good cook, I see.  ;D Does anyone else remember a story where Jughead eats candies Veronica made but they were really bird treats?


Yeah and not only did Jughead like her food but her father expected to, he must know she's a good cook in that story. I like Ronnie as a bad cook better though, it's funnier. I never saw the bird treat story.


I haven't read the one about the bird treats, but it made me remember another story (that I think I read in the old forum)where Veronica made some meatballs?(or was it cookies? I can't remember) nobody wanted to eat them but Jughead asked her if he could have them and she's all happy that finally someone is appreciating her cooking, but it turns out he just wanted them so he could use them as cannon balls, or something  :2funny:


And another story where she gives the guys a present, they think it's hard as stone cookies, so they don't eat them. It turns out they were hockey pucks. And then Jughead mentions he did use them to play hockey and she cries and says "Jughead, the ones I gave you were cookies".

Thrillho

Quote from: daren on June 14, 2016, 03:46:24 AM
Maybe she doesn't put up with a LOT more, but, more. In most Archie feuds the villain character IS the offender more (Betty vs. Veronica, Archie vs. Reggie, Jughead vs. Reggie), but with Jughead and Veronica, he does seem to sin against her more than the reverse, I never noticed how much till I started paying attention to these stories.

I agree somewhat. A lot of times he has it in for Veronica because she's treating Betty or Archie unfairly, but you're right, he's more likely start something without provocation than she is.

Here is a good example





And of course, Jughead is behind it all



That's why I think Midge's assessment in "Object of Affection" might be true, that Jughead wants attention from Veronica, at least in Dan Parent's stories, while she's more content to just ignore him.

Quote from: daren on June 14, 2016, 03:46:24 AM
I like Ronnie as a bad cook better though, it's funnier..

It works for gags and such but half of me thinks it's silly sometimes. I just read a story where Veronica made a cake disaster because she messed with the ingredients due to her ignorance about baking e.g. putting a stick of butter in milk instead of using buttermilk, and that works for me but a lot just have her as a bad cook with no explanation. I don't know, just one of my pet peeves, I think Veronica, or anyone really, is smart enough to follow through with a recipe with some guidance. She's my favorite character so of course I want to see her succeed more often than not.

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on June 14, 2016, 12:02:23 PM
I haven't read the one about the bird treats, but it made me remember another story (that I think I read in the old forum)where Veronica made some meatballs?(or was it cookies? I can't remember) nobody wanted to eat them but Jughead asked her if he could have them and she's all happy that finally someone is appreciating her cooking, but it turns out he just wanted them so he could use them as cannon balls, or something  :2funny:


And another story where she gives the guys a present, they think it's hard as stone cookies, so they don't eat them. It turns out they were hockey pucks. And then Jughead mentions he did use them to play hockey and she cries and says "Jughead, the ones I gave you were cookies".

Oh yes, I have both those stories.  ;D That second story might be the only time I've seen Jughead comfort Veronica, but I have to applaud Veronica on her confidence to give out her cookies as Christmas presents. Seriously, does she not try her cooking before subjecting others to it?

Original Sin

Quote from: Thrillho on June 07, 2016, 09:16:43 PM
If they played this like the film this story is based on Jug and Ron would have ended up together. As an aside, I like George Bernard Shaw's original ending that subsequent adaptions ignored better though.

I am a big fan of that play, and Shaw's original ending.

Thrillho

Quote from: Original Sin on June 14, 2016, 08:47:31 PM
Quote from: Thrillho on June 07, 2016, 09:16:43 PM
If they played this like the film this story is based on Jug and Ron would have ended up together. As an aside, I like George Bernard Shaw's original ending that subsequent adaptions ignored better though.

I am a big fan of that play, and Shaw's original ending.

YES!  ;D It was so progressive for its time too. Eliza decides to be independent of Higgins realizing if she stays she will have to be subservient to him and marries Freddy instead so she can be the boss in the relationship. It's a shame contemporary attitudes prevailed and Eliza staying with Higgins is considered the "happy" ending.

Original Sin

Quote from: Thrillho on June 14, 2016, 09:06:03 PM
Quote from: Original Sin on June 14, 2016, 08:47:31 PM
Quote from: Thrillho on June 07, 2016, 09:16:43 PM
If they played this like the film this story is based on Jug and Ron would have ended up together. As an aside, I like George Bernard Shaw's original ending that subsequent adaptions ignored better though.

I am a big fan of that play, and Shaw's original ending.

YES!  ;D It was so progressive for its time too. Eliza decides to be independent of Higgins realizing if she stays she will have to be subservient to him and marries Freddy instead so she can be the boss in the relationship. It's a shame contemporary attitudes prevailed and Eliza staying with Higgins is considered the "happy" ending.

Shaw was quite disappointed that the play became such a commercial success. Poor man, he had to fight everyone to preserve the integrity of his heroine. I think I am glad he did not live to see the 1964 adaptation.

60sBettyandReggie


I like Jughead's Ha! t-shirt  :)

Quote from: Thrillho on June 14, 2016, 01:30:19 PM
Oh yes, I have both those stories.  ;D That second story might be the only time I've seen Jughead comfort Veronica, but I have to applaud Veronica on her confidence to give out her cookies as Christmas presents. Seriously, does she not try her cooking before subjecting others to it?


Apparently not. Maybe it's because she is so sure of herself- after all, she is the Veronica Lodge. She doesn't feel the need to try her own cooking, but she does force others to do it



(Source: riverdalegang tumblr)

daren

Quote from: Thrillho on June 14, 2016, 01:30:19 PM

I agree somewhat. A lot of times he has it in for Veronica because she's treating Betty or Archie unfairly, but you're right, he's more likely start something without provocation than she is.

Here is a good example





And of course, Jughead is behind it all



That's why I think Midge's assessment in "Object of Affection" might be true, that Jughead wants attention from Veronica, at least in Dan Parent's stories, while she's more content to just ignore him.


You could be right, something important must compel him to insult the girl who controls his access to the Lodge refridgerator/parties.

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Quote from: daren on June 14, 2016, 03:46:24 AM
I like Ronnie as a bad cook better though, it's funnier..

It works for gags and such but half of me thinks it's silly sometimes. I just read a story where Veronica made a cake disaster because she messed with the ingredients due to her ignorance about baking e.g. putting a stick of butter in milk instead of using buttermilk, and that works for me but a lot just have her as a bad cook with no explanation. I don't know, just one of my pet peeves, I think Veronica, or anyone really, is smart enough to follow through with a recipe with some guidance. She's my favorite character so of course I want to see her succeed more often than not.


I like to see her succeed at some things too, but cooking is so unimportant I don't care about it. I mean it's great if people DO know how to cook but it's no reflection on your intellect or character. Yeah the bad-cook-Veronica stories aren't that believable, cooking isn't rocket science, but if you look at those stories as fantasy/cartoon situations they work.


daren

Here's Veronica striking first and Jughead striking back!










Strange story.





Thrillho

Quote from: daren on June 21, 2016, 03:49:30 AM

You could be right, something important must compel him to insult the girl who controls his access to the Lodge refridgerator/parties.

Ha, you're right, it would be in Jughead's best interest to suck up to Veronica, but we wouldn't have the antagonistic relationship we love.

Quote from: daren on June 21, 2016, 03:49:30 AM

I like to see her succeed at some things too, but cooking is so unimportant I don't care about it. I mean it's great if people DO know how to cook but it's no reflection on your intellect or character. Yeah the bad-cook-Veronica stories aren't that believable, cooking isn't rocket science, but if you look at those stories as fantasy/cartoon situations they work.

It's just one of my pet peeves when capable adults can't handle feeding themselves and I'm just projecting.  ::) This doesn't really apply to Veronica since she's perpetually a teenager and isn't on her own but I get so annoyed in relationships when the other person isn't capable of seemingly doing anything.  >:(

I think a bit of this story was posted upthread but here's the whole thing.



I think the ending is really clever and goes to show that Jughead really does care for Ronnie, he wasn't even too keen on her reward.

daren

Quote from: Thrillho on June 23, 2016, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: daren on June 21, 2016, 03:49:30 AM

You could be right, something important must compel him to insult the girl who controls his access to the Lodge refridgerator/parties.

Ha, you're right, it would be in Jughead's best interest to suck up to Veronica, but we wouldn't have the antagonistic relationship we love.

Quote from: daren on June 21, 2016, 03:49:30 AM

I like to see her succeed at some things too, but cooking is so unimportant I don't care about it. I mean it's great if people DO know how to cook but it's no reflection on your intellect or character. Yeah the bad-cook-Veronica stories aren't that believable, cooking isn't rocket science, but if you look at those stories as fantasy/cartoon situations they work.


I didn't say that right, I meant that if you DON'T know how to cook it's no reflection on your intellect or character, of course if you know how to cook it means you have skills (not to brag but I'm pretty good at it myself), it's just that it's not needed.


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It's just one of my pet peeves when capable adults can't handle feeding themselves and I'm just projecting.  ::) This doesn't really apply to Veronica since she's perpetually a teenager and isn't on her own but I get so annoyed in relationships when the other person isn't capable of seemingly doing anything.  >:( 


Oh yeah been there done that  :( . Well I think Ronnie's best when she does make mistakes a lot, she's more cute and sympathetic that way and thats what makes her the funniest Archie girl but there should be more hints that under all her effeduppedness there's the budding brilliance at business she inherited from her dad, the thing that makes all the generations of Lodges great tycoons in spite of their problems. That's how I like to see it anyway, I like that the girl who can't even boil an egg like a proper female might blossom into a financial mastermind who owns half the world (and still doesn't know how to boil an egg).

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I think a bit of this story was posted upthread but here's the whole thing.



I think the ending is really clever and goes to show that Jughead really does care for Ronnie, he wasn't even too keen on her reward.


Awesome story, ending, beginning, everything! They should put it in a book!

daren






from DA by "crunkFONICAS", feels like there's more to it somewhere doesn't it?

DeCarlo Rules

#162
Quote from: Thrillho on June 14, 2016, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: daren on June 14, 2016, 03:46:24 AM
Maybe she doesn't put up with a LOT more, but, more. In most Archie feuds the villain character IS the offender more (Betty vs. Veronica, Archie vs. Reggie, Jughead vs. Reggie), but with Jughead and Veronica, he does seem to sin against her more than the reverse, I never noticed how much till I started paying attention to these stories.

I agree somewhat. A lot of times he has it in for Veronica because she's treating Betty or Archie unfairly, but you're right, he's more likely start something without provocation than she is.

Here is a good example





And of course, Jughead is behind it all



That's why I think Midge's assessment in "Object of Affection" might be true, that Jughead wants attention from Veronica, at least in Dan Parent's stories, while she's more content to just ignore him.

Ah, but this isn't the first Veronica/Jellybean story, it's the second (or possibly even the third). In the first one, Veronica doesn't like Jellybean because she thinks that she's just like a little Jughead. Nevertheless, it doesn't prevent Veronica from trying to exploit Jellybean's innate cuteness when she tries to babysit her as an excuse to get an "in" with a hunky male nanny that she meets in the park. In that one, Jughead finds out what's going on, and with Jellybean as an accomplice, teaches Veronica a well-deserved lesson.

The above story is kind of sweet, because after Jellybean senses that Veronica has learned her lesson, she only torments her a little bit for good measure -- sort of like the guys busting on each other in camaraderie -- before deciding that she's a good egg after all, and she actually likes her. After that, Jellybean isn't willing to go along with her brother's dirty tricks. Just goes to show Jellybean has a mind of her own.

BettyReggie

#163
Jughead & Veronica still seem to hate each other in the reboot of Archie & the new reboot of Jughead. Will get along in Adam Hughes version of Betty & Veronica. Probably not.

Midge Klump

Quote from: BettyReggie on June 25, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
Jughead & Veronica still seem to hate each other in the reboot of Archie & the new reboot of Jughead. Will get along in Adam Hughes version of Betty & Veronica. Probably not.
I think the Jughead and Veronica feud will go on in whatever Archie comic is made. Jughead just has resentment towards the way Veronica treats his best buddy Archie and Veronica just can't stand how Jughead seems to always be getting in the way of time she wants to spend with Archie.

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