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What's your favorite version of each character?

Started by Jabroniville, June 20, 2016, 01:46:28 AM

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Jabroniville

It's generally been known to happen that the Archie characters have shifted greatly over the years- often becoming much nicer (and perhaps more well-rounded) characters at the expense of conflict and humor. Whether or not this is a good thing is a matter of debate.

So I'm curious as to which version of the following characters do you prefer?



ARCHIE: A) The scheming bastard of the 1940s; B) The befuddled, clumsy loser of most other eras; C) The all-around nice guy.


JUGHEAD: A) The woman-hating, somewhat-vicious schemer of the old days- constantly belittled and insulted women; B) The Jughead seen in the NUMEROUS "Jughead gets a girl" storylines (Joanie & Debbie, Anita Chavita, Sandy Sanchez, etc.); C) The anti-romance character who can still hang out with women (such as his friendship with Betty).


VERONICA: A) Straight-up selfish villainess ('40s & Mark Waid Reboot); B) The Jerk with a Heart of Gold character (mostly seen in and after the '60s); C) The nicer, more down-to-earth one of the '90s-2000s era (where her major conflicts are things like figuring out which charity to pursue).


BETTY COOPER: A) The scheming, somewhat-dim loser ('40s & '50s); B) The All-Around Girl-Next-Door Nice Girl Tomboy (most eras)


REGGIE MANTLE: A) Outright villain whom just about everyone hates; B) Jerk With a Heart of Gold, who still hangs out with the gang.


CHERYL BLOSSOM: A) The super-selfish and obnoxious villain ('80s & her return); B) Veronica-Lite "Actually deep-down really nice" character (from her solo book).


DeCarlo Rules

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Quote from: Jabroniville on June 20, 2016, 01:46:28 AM
BETTY COOPER: A) The scheming, somewhat-dim loser ('40s & '50s); B) The All-Around Girl-Next-Door Nice Girl Tomboy (most eras)

I really HATE it when someone refers to Betty as a tomboy. Sure, she likes sports, and is good at most of them, and she can fix a car or play videogames. That doesn't make her a tomboy, just talented.

To me tomboy implies a girl that gives no thought to typically "feminine" things, like hairstyles, makeup, clothes/fashion/shopping, looking pretty, romantic movies and books, domestic stuff like cooking/baking, sewing, artsy/crafty stuff, etc. Betty cares a lot about what guys think of her and whether they find her attractive, and all things "girlie" like drooling over male celebrities, gossiping with her gal-pals, and so on.

It always sounds to me like Betty's getting slagged simply for being capable of doing something as well as a guy can. She's NOT a tomboy. She's just what they call in England "sporty".

spazaru

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 20, 2016, 03:41:18 AM
Quote from: Jabroniville on June 20, 2016, 01:46:28 AM
BETTY COOPER: A) The scheming, somewhat-dim loser ('40s & '50s); B) The All-Around Girl-Next-Door Nice Girl Tomboy (most eras)

I really HATE it when someone refers to Betty as a tomboy. Sure, she likes sports, and is good at most of them, and she can fix a car or play videogames. That doesn't make her a tomboy, just talented.

To me tomboy implies a girl that gives no thought to typically "feminine" things, like hairstyles, makeup, clothes/fashion/shopping, looking pretty, romantic movies and books, domestic stuff like cooking/baking, sewing, artsy/crafty stuff, etc. Betty cares a lot about what guys think of her and whether they find her attractive, and all things "girlie" like drooling over male celebrities, gossiping with her gal-pals, and so on.

It always sounds to me like Betty's getting slagged simply for being capable of doing something as well as a guy can. She's NOT a tomboy. She's just what they call in England "sporty".


Totally agree.  I don't get the tomboy thing either.  She's always dressing up, etc. 

BettyReggie

I love Betty & Veronica & Reggie  & Archie by Gisele
Reggie from Dan & Fernando & Thomas Pitilli & Gabbie Gross
Jughead from Rex Lindsey & Dereck Charm

60sBettyandReggie

Quote from: Jabroniville on June 20, 2016, 01:46:28 AM
It's generally been known to happen that the Archie characters have shifted greatly over the years- often becoming much nicer (and perhaps more well-rounded) characters at the expense of conflict and humor. Whether or not this is a good thing is a matter of debate.

So I'm curious as to which version of the following characters do you prefer?



ARCHIE: A) The scheming bastard of the 1940s; B) The befuddled, clumsy loser of most other eras; C) The all-around nice guy.


JUGHEAD: A) The woman-hating, somewhat-vicious schemer of the old days- constantly belittled and insulted women; B) The Jughead seen in the NUMEROUS "Jughead gets a girl" storylines (Joanie & Debbie, Anita Chavita, Sandy Sanchez, etc.); C) The anti-romance character who can still hang out with women (such as his friendship with Betty).


VERONICA: A) Straight-up selfish villainess ('40s & Mark Waid Reboot); B) The Jerk with a Heart of Gold character (mostly seen in and after the '60s); C) The nicer, more down-to-earth one of the '90s-2000s era (where her major conflicts are things like figuring out which charity to pursue).


BETTY COOPER: A) The scheming, somewhat-dim loser ('40s & '50s); B) The All-Around Girl-Next-Door Nice Girl Tomboy (most eras)


REGGIE MANTLE: A) Outright villain whom just about everyone hates; B) Jerk With a Heart of Gold, who still hangs out with the gang.


CHERYL BLOSSOM: A) The super-selfish and obnoxious villain ('80s & her return); B) Veronica-Lite "Actually deep-down really nice" character (from her solo book).

irishmoxie

My favs:

ARCHIE: B) The befuddled, clumsy loser of most other eras;

JUGHEAD: C) The anti-romance character who can still hang out with women (such as his friendship with Betty).

VERONICA: B) The Jerk with a Heart of Gold character (mostly seen in and after the '60s

BETTY COOPER: B) The All-Around Girl-Next-Door Nice Girl Tomboy (most eras) [Not sure why people would like dim loser Betty]

REGGIE MANTLE: B) Jerk With a Heart of Gold, who still hangs out with the gang.

CHERYL BLOSSOM: A) The super-selfish and obnoxious villain ('80s & her return)


I tend to like milder versions of the characters. I think people like whichever version of the character they grew up reading.

daren

Quote from: Jabroniville on June 20, 2016, 01:46:28 AM
It's generally been known to happen that the Archie characters have shifted greatly over the years- often becoming much nicer (and perhaps more well-rounded) characters at the expense of conflict and humor. Whether or not this is a good thing is a matter of debate.

So I'm curious as to which version of the following characters do you prefer?



ARCHIE: A) The scheming bastard of the 1940s; B) The befuddled, clumsy loser of most other eras; C) The all-around nice guy.


I thought Archie was a befuddled loser in the 1940s then became a scheming bastard in the 1950s or '60s? Either one is okay.

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JUGHEAD: A) The woman-hating, somewhat-vicious schemer of the old days- constantly belittled and insulted women; B) The Jughead seen in the NUMEROUS "Jughead gets a girl" storylines (Joanie & Debbie, Anita Chavita, Sandy Sanchez, etc.); C) The anti-romance character who can still hang out with women (such as his friendship with Betty).


Anything except B, I accept Jughead isn't all aromantic but I don't know how they should show that side of him. Not the way they did it. I haven't read all these stories but from I saw they werent that good.

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VERONICA: A) Straight-up selfish villainess ('40s & Mark Waid Reboot); B) The Jerk with a Heart of Gold character (mostly seen in and after the '60s); C) The nicer, more down-to-earth one of the '90s-2000s era (where her major conflicts are things like figuring out which charity to pursue).


I thought she was a nice girl although a spoiled flirt in the '40s and then became a jerk in the '60s? I like the '90s-2000s best because Dan Parent draws her, girls who look cute and innocent when they're doing bad are the best, and she still did a lot of bad with her selfish underhanded side even in that era. I like the '60s to '80s too though, she's great in all decades except maybe the one we're in now, the Afterlife and reboot Veronica isn't so much a villain as a head case so far. :P

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BETTY COOPER: A) The scheming, somewhat-dim loser ('40s & '50s); B) The All-Around Girl-Next-Door Nice Girl Tomboy (most eras)


The nice Betty. The scheming Betty was a stalker, it was funny sometimes but due to personal experience I don't like stalkers even when they're funny. Male or female. Besides nice Betty contrasts better with Veronica.

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REGGIE MANTLE: A) Outright villain whom just about everyone hates; B) Jerk With a Heart of Gold, who still hangs out with the gang.


Both of them are great. But he shouldn't be TOO nice (coughMichaelUslancough) or too much of a dick (coughFrankDoylecough).

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CHERYL BLOSSOM: A) The super-selfish and obnoxious villain ('80s & her return); B) Veronica-Lite "Actually deep-down really nice" character (from her solo book).


Either one.

Midge Klump

Archie: I just love his all around stupidity when it comes to girls. That pretty much goes on through all eras of the comics. I also like his clumsy ways.

Jughead: Him as a skater is a definite no no for me. I like Jug as a slacker who does as little as possible to get by.

Reggie: Who doesn't love Reggie as the prankster. That is who he is and he perfects it.

Veronica: I really like the daddy's like spoiled rotten bitch of a girl who always gets taught some sort of lesson by stories end.

Betty: Goody Two Shoes Betty is not for me.  I like the Betty who schemes to get back at Veronica.

Jabroniville

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 20, 2016, 03:41:18 AM
Quote from: Jabroniville on June 20, 2016, 01:46:28 AM
BETTY COOPER: A) The scheming, somewhat-dim loser ('40s & '50s); B) The All-Around Girl-Next-Door Nice Girl Tomboy (most eras)

I really HATE it when someone refers to Betty as a tomboy. Sure, she likes sports, and is good at most of them, and she can fix a car or play videogames. That doesn't make her a tomboy, just talented.

To me tomboy implies a girl that gives no thought to typically "feminine" things, like hairstyles, makeup, clothes/fashion/shopping, looking pretty, romantic movies and books, domestic stuff like cooking/baking, sewing, artsy/crafty stuff, etc. Betty cares a lot about what guys think of her and whether they find her attractive, and all things "girlie" like drooling over male celebrities, gossiping with her gal-pals, and so on.

It always sounds to me like Betty's getting slagged simply for being capable of doing something as well as a guy can. She's NOT a tomboy. She's just what they call in England "sporty".
What tomboy means is thus: "an energetic, sometimes boisterous girl whose behavior and pursuits, especially in games and sports, are considered more typical ofboys than of girls."

It doesn't mean "never does anything feminine ever", nor is it an insult. I also included the "Girl-Next-Door" comment, because Betty is truly a MIX of both things. She's sporty, athletic, tough and can fix cars- all "tomboy" traits. But she can and has worn dresses and been the "nice girl" archetype, right down to domestic pursuits.

Both Betty's Wikipedia page and
http://christinculture.com/archie-relaunch/]This article and this other one casually refer to her as, and argue for her to BE, a "tomboy", and I don't think that's inaccurate.

Jabroniville

My opinions:



ARCHIE: A) The scheming bastard of the 1940s; B) The befuddled, clumsy loser of most other eras; C) The all-around nice guy.


I like B. Archie should CONSTANTLY be scheming, and not be the milquetoast he later became. But "C" is going too far. Earlier eras of Archie are a bit too unsympathetic, though.

JUGHEAD: A) The woman-hating, somewhat-vicious schemer of the old days- constantly belittled and insulted women; B) The Jughead seen in the NUMEROUS "Jughead gets a girl" storylines (Joanie & Debbie, Anita Chavita, Sandy Sanchez, etc.); C) The anti-romance character who can still hang out with women (such as his friendship with Betty).

I prefer "C"- he fits in better with the rest of the gang, and Jughead/Betty is one of the more-fun character interactions out there.



VERONICA: A) Straight-up selfish villainess ('40s & Mark Waid Reboot); B) The Jerk with a Heart of Gold character (mostly seen in and after the '60s); C) The nicer, more down-to-earth one of the '90s-2000s era (where her major conflicts are things like figuring out which charity to pursue).

"B"- Ronnie can thus hang out with the group, but carries a nasty edge that gets commented upon. The later version seems WAY too nice most of the time (she's basically a nice character who hates Jughead- not exactly what made people like Veronica to begin with).

BETTY COOPER: A) The scheming, somewhat-dim loser ('40s & '50s); B) The All-Around Girl-Next-Door Nice Girl Tomboy (most eras)

Yeah, I don't really care for most of the "A" Betty, even if the older strips were usually funnier. She's a bit too manic and insane.



REGGIE MANTLE: A) Outright villain whom just about everyone hates; B) Jerk With a Heart of Gold, who still hangs out with the gang.

I can waver on this one. He interacts well with the rest of the gang, so they should at least tolerate him. But "A" is SO MUCH BETTER FOR SOME STORIES.

CHERYL BLOSSOM: A) The super-selfish and obnoxious villain ('80s & her return); B) Veronica-Lite "Actually deep-down really nice" character (from her solo book).

"A"- I find the "B" version to be ridiculous, as we ALREADY HAVE THAT EXACT CHARACTER. Cheryl in her own book essentially turned into Veronica II, but with more of a "Star-Seeking" thing.

DeCarlo Rules

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Quote from: Jabroniville on June 25, 2016, 04:06:50 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 20, 2016, 03:41:18 AM
Quote from: Jabroniville on June 20, 2016, 01:46:28 AM
BETTY COOPER: A) The scheming, somewhat-dim loser ('40s & '50s); B) The All-Around Girl-Next-Door Nice Girl Tomboy (most eras)

I really HATE it when someone refers to Betty as a tomboy. Sure, she likes sports, and is good at most of them, and she can fix a car or play videogames. That doesn't make her a tomboy, just talented.

To me tomboy implies a girl that gives no thought to typically "feminine" things, like hairstyles, makeup, clothes/fashion/shopping, looking pretty, romantic movies and books, domestic stuff like cooking/baking, sewing, artsy/crafty stuff, etc. Betty cares a lot about what guys think of her and whether they find her attractive, and all things "girlie" like drooling over male celebrities, gossiping with her gal-pals, and so on.

It always sounds to me like Betty's getting slagged simply for being capable of doing something as well as a guy can. She's NOT a tomboy. She's just what they call in England "sporty".
What tomboy means is thus: "an energetic, sometimes boisterous girl whose behavior and pursuits, especially in games and sports, are considered more typical ofboys than of girls."

It doesn't mean "never does anything feminine ever", nor is it an insult. I also included the "Girl-Next-Door" comment, because Betty is truly a MIX of both things. She's sporty, athletic, tough and can fix cars- all "tomboy" traits. But she can and has worn dresses and been the "nice girl" archetype, right down to domestic pursuits.

Both Betty's Wikipedia page and
http://christinculture.com/archie-relaunch/]This article and this other one casually refer to her as, and argue for her to BE, a "tomboy", and I don't think that's inaccurate.


Well, that is ONE definition. By which it would mean that over half the women in the world are tomboys. Which to me, makes it kind of a meaningless distinction. Any woman interested in sports is a tomboy? Preposterous. Maybe by some antiquated 1940s view of gender roles, but certainly not in THIS century. That said, not all definitions are in agreement with the one you cite.

The other, more stringent definition would be that a tomboy isn't defined simply by her interest in some typically male things, but by that AND her LACK of interest in typically female things. Simply put, Betty's interest in typically feminine things FAR outweighs her interest in typically male things. She's not a female genetically (sexual orientation being a moot point here) with a predominantly masculine mental perspective and interests, although such females definitely exist, but they are the rare exception.

And further to the point, interest in sports is nowhere near the exclusive domain of males that it was more than half a century ago.
By YOUR chosen definition of tomboy, I DO consider it an insult, as it implies that gender roles should remain at some kind of standstill arbitrarily decided upon sometime in the last century.

Should I call a man who is interested in fashion or cooking, a "tamgirl"? Let's see, what would be the actual opposite-gender equivalent here?  I think the term "girly-man" would be pretty close. Yes, it's insulting, as calling Betty a boy is an insinuation that she's somehow less than 100% female, or lacking in some way in the kind of traits that a male partner would find ideal in a woman.

daren

Whatever the right meaning of tomboy is, I never thought it was a slur. It seems like girls are proud to call themselves tomboys or am I wrong?

daren

Quote from: Jabroniville on June 25, 2016, 04:11:24 PM
My opinions:

JUGHEAD: A) The woman-hating, somewhat-vicious schemer of the old days- constantly belittled and insulted women; B) The Jughead seen in the NUMEROUS "Jughead gets a girl" storylines (Joanie & Debbie, Anita Chavita, Sandy Sanchez, etc.); C) The anti-romance character who can still hang out with women (such as his friendship with Betty).

I prefer "C"- he fits in better with the rest of the gang, and Jughead/Betty is one of the more-fun character interactions out there.

QuoteREGGIE MANTLE: A) Outright villain whom just about everyone hates; B) Jerk With a Heart of Gold, who still hangs out with the gang.
I can waver on this one. He interacts well with the rest of the gang, so they should at least tolerate him. But "A" is SO MUCH BETTER FOR SOME STORIES.

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BETTY COOPER: A) The scheming, somewhat-dim loser ('40s & '50s); B) The All-Around Girl-Next-Door Nice Girl Tomboy (most eras)
Yeah, I don't really care for most of the "A" Betty, even if the older strips were usually funnier. She's a bit too manic and insane.

Yep. (I might like Betty's stalking except for my personal baggage though, I know there's nothing wrong with it because it's only "unreal" stalking)

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ARCHIE: A) The scheming bastard of the 1940s; B) The befuddled, clumsy loser of most other eras; C) The all-around nice guy.I like B. Archie should CONSTANTLY be scheming, and not be the milquetoast he later became. But "C" is going too far. Earlier eras of Archie are a bit too unsympathetic, though.


Okay I looked at the free '40s stories (thanks nuageo) and I guess I was wrong, Archie was a schemer in the '40s...but he was also a befuddled clumsy loser. Kind of sucked all around.
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VERONICA: A) Straight-up selfish villainess ('40s & Mark Waid Reboot); B) The Jerk with a Heart of Gold character (mostly seen in and after the '60s); C) The nicer, more down-to-earth one of the '90s-2000s era (where her major conflicts are things like figuring out which charity to pursue).

"B"- Ronnie can thus hang out with the group, but carries a nasty edge that gets commented upon. The later version seems WAY too nice most of the time (she's basically a nice character who hates Jughead- not exactly what made people like Veronica to begin with).


No her niceness must be what made people like Veronica, she was nice in almost all the '40s comics I read, up to about 1946 when the free stories end, and the '40s is when she started getting popular. She was even nicer than she is in the '90s-2000s. I mean she sometimes got angry at Archie for nothing or catfought with Betty but ALL the girls in '40s Archie are like that. I think people liked her because she was a high society sex bomb, and she was a flirty tease but nice. It seems like most fans now who prefer Veronica also seem to prefer her not too mean unless they're into S&M or something. I like her nice or mean but I always like villains, most people don't. And '90s-2000s Veronica is still selfish, spoiled, overspending, rude, and often mean, just not as much as in the '70s, she's still full of flaws.


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CHERYL BLOSSOM: A) The super-selfish and obnoxious villain ('80s & her return); B) Veronica-Lite "Actually deep-down really nice" character (from her solo book).

"A"- I find the "B" version to be ridiculous, as we ALREADY HAVE THAT EXACT CHARACTER. Cheryl in her own book essentially turned into Veronica II, but with more of a "Star-Seeking" thing.


I half agree, I like her but she's redundant and as long as her home base is Riverdale she's always going to be the Riddler to Veronica's Joker but the fans are going to get attached to any villain who's around long enough and will want to see them get a nice side. That's probably what happened to Reggie because is he ever a **** in the '40s, no friendship or redeeming qualities yet and he only shows up now and then. They should probably put Cheryl in another town, maybe she can become Sabrina's bff or something, that way she won't seem so much like a copy and can still visit Riverdale for some stories.

Jabroniville

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 25, 2016, 05:11:38 PM
Quote from: Jabroniville on June 25, 2016, 04:06:50 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 20, 2016, 03:41:18 AM
Quote from: Jabroniville on June 20, 2016, 01:46:28 AM
BETTY COOPER: A) The scheming, somewhat-dim loser ('40s & '50s); B) The All-Around Girl-Next-Door Nice Girl Tomboy (most eras)

I really HATE it when someone refers to Betty as a tomboy. Sure, she likes sports, and is good at most of them, and she can fix a car or play videogames. That doesn't make her a tomboy, just talented.

To me tomboy implies a girl that gives no thought to typically "feminine" things, like hairstyles, makeup, clothes/fashion/shopping, looking pretty, romantic movies and books, domestic stuff like cooking/baking, sewing, artsy/crafty stuff, etc. Betty cares a lot about what guys think of her and whether they find her attractive, and all things "girlie" like drooling over male celebrities, gossiping with her gal-pals, and so on.

It always sounds to me like Betty's getting slagged simply for being capable of doing something as well as a guy can. She's NOT a tomboy. She's just what they call in England "sporty".
What tomboy means is thus: "an energetic, sometimes boisterous girl whose behavior and pursuits, especially in games and sports, are considered more typical ofboys than of girls."

It doesn't mean "never does anything feminine ever", nor is it an insult. I also included the "Girl-Next-Door" comment, because Betty is truly a MIX of both things. She's sporty, athletic, tough and can fix cars- all "tomboy" traits. But she can and has worn dresses and been the "nice girl" archetype, right down to domestic pursuits.

Both Betty's Wikipedia page and
http://christinculture.com/archie-relaunch/]This article and this other one casually refer to her as, and argue for her to BE, a "tomboy", and I don't think that's inaccurate.


Well, that is ONE definition. By which it would mean that over half the women in the world are tomboys. Which to me, makes it kind of a meaningless distinction. Any woman interested in sports is a tomboy? Preposterous. Maybe by some antiquated 1940s view of gender roles, but certainly not in THIS century. That said, not all definitions are in agreement with the one you cite.

The other, more stringent definition would be that a tomboy isn't defined simply by her interest in some typically male things, but by that AND her LACK of interest in typically female things. Simply put, Betty's interest in typically feminine things FAR outweighs her interest in typically male things. She's not a female genetically (sexual orientation being a moot point here) with a predominantly masculine mental perspective and interests, although such females definitely exist, but they are the rare exception.

And further to the point, interest in sports is nowhere near the exclusive domain of males that it was more than half a century ago.
By YOUR chosen definition of tomboy, I DO consider it an insult, as it implies that gender roles should remain at some kind of standstill arbitrarily decided upon sometime in the last century.

Should I call a man who is interested in fashion or cooking, a "tamgirl"? Let's see, what would be the actual opposite-gender equivalent here?  I think the term "girly-man" would be pretty close. Yes, it's insulting, as calling Betty a boy is an insinuation that she's somehow less than 100% female, or lacking in some way in the kind of traits that a male partner would find ideal in a woman.
*shrug* I've never considered the term an insult, and I know plenty of women who's admitted to being tomboys. If anyone takes offense to it, that's their hang-up.

And the definition (which I got from Webster's Dictionary, btw) says "considered more TYPICAL of boys than girls", not "traditional" or "correct" or whatever- it's not loaded with any kind of hidden "You should behave in THIS manner!" coding. It's perfectly okay to act atypical. I'm a 35-year old male who keeps Ever After High and Disney Fairies toys right next to my Dino Riders & Transformers stuff, and doesn't care a lick about sports- trust me in that I'm not about to judge people for not catering to some societal expectation of their own gender :).

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Betty is, of course, a girly-girl AND a tomboy, which is what I meant by "Girl Next Door Tomboy" (in retrospect, I should have just SAID THAT). And, bringing this back to the topic, that's how I see Betty- at home either with the culinary arts, at the school dance, or being a grease-monkey fixing a transmission. I see a lot of her in Sailor Jupiter from Sailor Moon- equal parts feminine & masculine-"typical" traits, combined to make a very fascinating character. Though I wish some of the manic nature of 1950s Betty would come about today- sure she was psychotic, but some of that can be fun :).



Jabroniville

Ooh, thought of another one:

Big Ethel- Part 1: A) The psychotic, obsessive, "Lena Hyena"-esque stalker out to tackle Jughead and force kisses upon him, or B) Modern-day "sadly mooning over the boy who doesn't like her" Ethel.

Big Ethel- Part 2: A) Old-school, hideous Ethel, or B) Modern-Day, Pretty Ethel.




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Personally, I prefer "A" in both cases. Having her be "B" actually makes Jughead into a nasty jerk, when his reactions to "A" are more understandable. It's also FUNNIER, which is important in a comedy series. Also, I find the whole "prettying up Ethel" thing to be against the point of the joke, and reeks of Archie's "No Ugly Characters" weirdness, where they determined that only hot people are funny (when the opposite is closer to true).

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