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When Betty and Reggie team up

Started by Original Sin, April 27, 2016, 03:41:45 PM

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DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: GingerGal on April 27, 2016, 04:40:59 PM
Perfect header for this thread




Somehow whenever I see a Betty/Reggie or a Veronica/Jughead shipping thread (the two most common ones), it makes me want to start a Betty/Jughead shipping thread (even though I don't particularly ship those two otherwise). It's just that I can easily find so many more examples of out-of-context panels for Betty and Jughead. More than that, there's a lot of subtextual reading, just in the general way that you see Jughead saying nice things about Betty and sticking up for her (over Ronnie) as being the superior choice for a girlfriend. Those examples are less situational and more genuinely indicative of Jughead's character. It's just that the other two imaginary relationships are heavily dependent on carefully-engineered circumstances, while what both Betty and Jughead have in common is that they're loyal, truthful, and sincere.

daren

#16
De the Jughead/Veronica feud thread isn't a shipping thread. At least I'm not in it for that, I like to see them not get along because Jughead/Veronica is a direct threat to my favorite Archie ship therefore it must die.  :)  (JUST KIDDING EVERYONE, they're both great characters so I can see why some people want them together.)  I know Betty and Jughead have more in common than Betty and Reggie and get along better than Jughead and Veronica, if they were real people they would be a more suited couple but Archie stories aren't about real life, favorite couples are about the best drama, there's no drama between Betty and Jughead.


But I can see why people like Betty/Jughead, they're the nicest and most popular characters so for a lot of people they go together, that could make some good stories. They always seemed like brother and sister to me but I guess thanks to the Blossoms that phrase doesn't mean anything in Archie anymore.  :P

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: daren on April 28, 2016, 03:13:36 AM
De the Jughead/Veronica feud thread isn't a shipping thread.

Oh, I know -- that's why I posted that comment here, and not in the Jughead/Veronica feud thread. If I'm making any point here, it's that for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. It's Archie Physics 101!

Original Sin

Quote from: daren on April 28, 2016, 03:13:36 AM
De the Jughead/Veronica feud thread isn't a shipping thread.

It's not?? :D  Well, the original J/V Feud thread most certainly was a shipping thread. And the new one is going to become so, give it a few days. 

Original Sin

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 02:55:47 AM
It's just that I can easily find so many more examples of out-of-context panels for Betty and Jughead.
Not just out-of-context panels. There are plenty of in context panels, stories, and covers for Betty/Jughead. But I guess Betty/Jughead is too easy for us shippers. They are too nice to each other.

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: Original Sin on April 28, 2016, 09:41:40 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 02:55:47 AM
It's just that I can easily find so many more examples of out-of-context panels for Betty and Jughead.
Not just out-of-context panels. There are plenty of in context panels, stories, and covers for Betty/Jughead. But I guess Betty/Jughead is too easy for us shippers. They are too nice to each other.


I guess that's what makes me wonder about the shippers. I want to say "You must hate Betty pretty bad to want to saddle her with this miserable jerk." Not that Archie's exactly that much better for her, but Reggie? Or is it one of those "Who-cares-he's-good-looking-so-I'm-sure-she-can-change-him" things, which of course NEVER works.

Original Sin

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: Original Sin on April 28, 2016, 09:41:40 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 02:55:47 AM
It's just that I can easily find so many more examples of out-of-context panels for Betty and Jughead.
Not just out-of-context panels. There are plenty of in context panels, stories, and covers for Betty/Jughead. But I guess Betty/Jughead is too easy for us shippers. They are too nice to each other.


I guess that's what makes me wonder about the shippers. I want to say "You must hate Betty pretty bad to want to saddle her with this miserable jerk." Not that Archie's exactly that much better for her, but Reggie? Or is it one of those "Who-cares-he's-good-looking-so-I'm-sure-she-can-change-him" things, which of course NEVER works.
Nope, we want Betty and Reggie to bring out the best in each other. :)  (btw, Archie brings out the worst in Betty, and she brings out the worst in Archie. I have lots of thoughts on this subject, tell you later.  ;D  )

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: kassandralove on April 28, 2016, 05:51:57 AM



That was one of only about four stories written by C. J. Henderson (father of Erica Henderson) for Archie Comics. What's notable about at least a couple of these stories is that the Archie characters seem to behave out of character. Here, Reggie acting like a hero. In another, "She's Sweet Betty Cooper", Betty decides she's sick of being a 'good girl' and starts behaving badly.

DeCarlo Rules

#23
Quote from: Original Sin on April 28, 2016, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: Original Sin on April 28, 2016, 09:41:40 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 02:55:47 AM
It's just that I can easily find so many more examples of out-of-context panels for Betty and Jughead.
Not just out-of-context panels. There are plenty of in context panels, stories, and covers for Betty/Jughead. But I guess Betty/Jughead is too easy for us shippers. They are too nice to each other.


I guess that's what makes me wonder about the shippers. I want to say "You must hate Betty pretty bad to want to saddle her with this miserable jerk." Not that Archie's exactly that much better for her, but Reggie? Or is it one of those "Who-cares-he's-good-looking-so-I'm-sure-she-can-change-him" things, which of course NEVER works.
Nope, we want Betty and Reggie to bring out the best in each other. :)  (btw, Archie brings out the worst in Betty, and she brings out the worst in Archie. I have lots of thoughts on this subject, tell you later.  ;D  )


Subtracting her unfortunate obsession with Archie, the idea that Betty could somehow be any better than she already is boggles my mind. Reggie obviously needs a LOT of work. Talk about your impossible projects... if she couldn't change ARCHIE in all this time, what possible chance does she have of turning Reggie into a decent sort of guy?

Original Sin

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 10:30:42 AM
Subtracting her unfortunate obsession with Archie, the idea that Betty could somehow be any better than she already is boggles my mind. Reggie obviously needs a LOT of work. Talk about your impossible projects... if she couldn't change ARCHIE in all this time, what possible chance does she have of turning Reggie into a decent sort of guy?

Archie is better when he is with Veronica. He does not need Betty to change him, Betty practically enables his flakiness anyway. And, btw, when we shippers want B & R to bring out the best in each other, we don't want them to become goody-two-shoes or vestal virgins (what's the fun in that? ;D ) If Reggie gave up his pranks and wisecracks, he wouldn't be Reggie anymore.

DeCarlo Rules

#25
Quote from: Original Sin on April 28, 2016, 10:40:25 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 10:30:42 AM
Subtracting her unfortunate obsession with Archie, the idea that Betty could somehow be any better than she already is boggles my mind. Reggie obviously needs a LOT of work. Talk about your impossible projects... if she couldn't change ARCHIE in all this time, what possible chance does she have of turning Reggie into a decent sort of guy?

Archie is better when he is with Veronica. He does not need Betty to change him, Betty practically enables his flakiness anyway. And, btw, when we shippers want B & R to bring out the best in each other, we don't want them to become goody-two-shoes or vestal virgins (what's the fun in that? ;D ) If Reggie gave up his pranks and wisecracks, he wouldn't be Reggie anymore.

What "best" is left to bring out in Betty, besides getting her to give up on Archie? That's really the only thing about her that's irrational and needs fixing. As long as she's hung up on him, her self-esteem is going to suffer a boot to the head from Archie. She's got to do that for herself before she could be with anyone that was deserving of her (and that sure isn't Reggie). Yeah, happy couples are boring... but that's why they're happy.

My argument would be that Reggie doesn't need Betty. He just needs arm candy to enhance his image. He's already found his One True Love - he gazes at him every time he looks in the mirror.

Original Sin

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 10:45:52 AM
What "best" is left to bring out in Betty?
Her self-respect. Spunkiness. Being a fun person whose every decision does not revolve around getting Archie's attention.

I totally agree that couples are boring. I want BettyXReggie to become a running theme, not an old married couple. Or if they did become a couple, it should be an on-again-off-again thing. 

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: Original Sin on April 28, 2016, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 10:45:52 AM
What "best" is left to bring out in Betty?
Her self-respect. Spunkiness. Being a fun person whose every decision does not revolve around getting Archie's attention.


Isn't that what I said? The only thing that that's wrong about her is her obsession with Archie. Without that, she's got no problems.
Why would she get out of one black hole of a relationship just to head into another one even deeper?

Original Sin

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 02:20:27 AM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 27, 2016, 06:35:07 PM
I guess Reggie is speaking of the playboy Archie as the "Creep".



You constantly see people posting that panel, but I'd love to see the whole story. Reggie appears to have a very sincere expression on his face here, but I have my suspicions otherwise... I've never known Reggie to do anything that didn't involve his own self-interest.

Yep, part of Reggie's scheme to get one over on Carrot-Top. I'll post the story if I can find it.

Original Sin

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: Original Sin on April 28, 2016, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 10:45:52 AM
What "best" is left to bring out in Betty?
Her self-respect. Spunkiness. Being a fun person whose every decision does not revolve around getting Archie's attention.


Isn't that what I said? The only thing that that's wrong about her is her obsession with Archie. Without that, she's got no problems.
Why would she get out of one black hole of a relationship just to head into another one even deeper?

Oh, i don't mean that Betty needs Reggie, she could get anyone she wanted, or be happy in her singlehood. But it's so much more fun to ship her with someone interesting like Reggie. We don't want her with some boring guy like Adam. :D

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