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Offline Gregg

The Last Archie Story
« on: March 02, 2007, 11:33:11 PM »
Been thinking about this for a while.... what would be the elements of the last Archie story?

To me, it would tie up/complete all of the elements from the Archie books and change the status quo dramatically. It would include:

-- The gang going through their senior year of high school and graduating, then going to college or otherwise getting on with their lives.

-- Archie making a final decision between Betty and Veronica. In true Archie fashion, after the decision, the triangle would fall apart. And even if teh decision didn't "stick" the damage would be done.

-- Moose and Midge getting engaged and marrying as soon as graduation was over.

-- The death of a major character that brings dramatic changes to the gang

--Jughead would reveal why he "hates" women (whic he doesn't), and reveal to the gang his true love, January McAndrews and the effect that would have on Ethel.

--Watching the gang split up after one last time at Pops.

-- the revelation of Sabrina's powers to the gang

-- a new relationship from out of left field for one of the gang involving a previously introduced character. The romance is understandable, but very unexpected.

-- the parents of the gang get together on a social issue and combine their resources into a formidable whole, inspired of course by their children

-- Jughead reveals what the "S" stands for

-- "the Archies" break up forever

-- Betty comes into money, the Lodges go through bankruptcy

-- a major character has a heart attack (non-fatal but eye opening)

-- the kids get involved in an adventure -- very true to life-- and we're not sure who survives. A few are severely hurt. ("That which does not kill us makes us stronger!") This adventure would show the whole gang in their strongest lights, emphasizing their personalities, skills and talents.

These would forever alter the typical Archie landscape, but it would be one heck of a ride.  :o Think of the Archie version of "Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow?" by Alan Moore.

What would yours include?

Gregg

Offline Tuxedo Mark

Re: The Last Archie Story
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2007, 02:41:39 PM »
I already wrote it:

http://ldloveszh.tripod.com/mark/betty.html

I'm currently writing a sequel that take place during senior year.

Oh, as for "Whatever Happened To the Man of Tomorrow", I hate it. It's an out-of-continuity "wrap-up" of the pre-Crisis Superman. Lana dies. Superman has a chance to warn Supergirl about her death and doesn't. Ugh.




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Re: The Last Archie Story
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2007, 07:00:34 PM »
Superman has a chance to warn Supergirl about her death and doesn't. Ugh.

It's been awhile since I've read this but I don't remember this part of the story. Wasn't it that the Legion came from the future to say goodbye to Superman? How did Superman know about Supergirl's death? Are you referring to her death in Crisis?

Offline Tuxedo Mark

Re: The Last Archie Story
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2007, 08:58:30 PM »
Yeah. The set-up of the story is "after the Crisis but before the reboot".

The Legion came from the future, and Supergirl circa 1960s (who was with them at the time) decided to come with them. Superman sees Kara and is surprised. Supergirl says that you can't visit a time period that you're already in (um, why not?), so she must be Superwoman and fighting crime in some other time period. Superman doesn't say anything about her death.




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Re: The Last Archie Story
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2007, 10:45:23 PM »
I thought "Whatever Happened..." was one of those imaginary stories. I know the regular titles were published during Crisis, but wasn't this story just a sendoff to the old Superman before the Byrne reboot? Sorry if there are obvious answers to these questions. Now that you mention it, I do remember something about Supergirl not being able to be in the same period as her future self. I'll have to see if I can find the issue to reread to see if there was a big snafu there. Thanks for the info!

Offline Tuxedo Mark

Re: The Last Archie Story
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2007, 11:04:00 PM »
Yes, "Whatever Happened..." is an imaginary story.

It's still dumb, though.




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Offline Gregg

Re: The Last Archie Story
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2007, 09:02:47 AM »
Just read your story Mark... very interesting. Only two things that didn't work for me:

1. I can't see Archie as a control freak. It's not in his character. I could see Reggie in this light, but not Archie. Or perhaps some explaination of why Archie's personality suddenly changed might have made it work better. This may have worked better with Moose or some other secondary character as the heavy.

2. Betty swearing, especially to her mother. Again very out of character.

On the other hand, I thought you captured all the characters well, and the situations were very dramatic. The writing flowed naturally. Good job!

Gregg

Offline Tuxedo Mark

Re: The Last Archie Story
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2007, 12:14:53 AM »
1. I can't see Archie as a control freak. It's not in his character. I could see Reggie in this light, but not Archie. Or perhaps some explaination of why Archie's personality suddenly changed might have made it work better. This may have worked better with Moose or some other secondary character as the heavy.

Yeah, that's a common complaint that I get. I don't know. The only thing that I can say is don't say "It's not in [name]'s character", because you can usually find evidence to the contrary somewhere.

Take Betty as an example. I portrayed her as more of a sweet, kind-hearted pushover that resorts to fighting back when pushed too far.

The comic books and comic strips often portray Betty as a girl with an unhealthy obsession over a guy and, on occasion, prone to commiting acts of violence against that same guy (such as smashing his bicycle wheel over his head or pushing a ladder away while he's on it) or others (she beat up Dilton, the student that's least able to defend himself!).

I didn't want to go there, though, because, if Betty is portrayed as obsessive and violent at the beginning of the story, then her eventually commiting that final act doesn't have the same impact.

Sweet, kind-hearted, pushover Betty is driven towards defending herself, and she is permanently altered by the experience in a profound way. Obsessive, violent, catfight-engaging Betty wouldn't be affected as much.

Also, everyone else's reactions would be different. People are shocked that sweet Betty did this. With violent Betty, they'd go "Oh. Saw that coming."

2. Betty swearing, especially to her mother. Again very out of character.

I believe that Betty swears 3 times in this story:

1) When she sees Ronnie's bruise. It's a relatively mild curse, even allowed on network TV now. Also, considering the circumstance and the fact that it's her best friend, I think it's understandable as a first reaction.

2) When she beats up Archie. She's fighting for her life (or at least her health). Her ex-boyfriend is attacking her. I think it's understandable.

3) To her mother. Okay, under normal circumstances, this wouldn't happen. However, Betty's mother is hardly speaking to her, unable to talk with her daughter about what happened, and angry and disappointed with her. Betty swears to get a reaction and force her mother to look her in the face, not to hurt her.

On the other hand, I thought you captured all the characters well, and the situations were very dramatic. The writing flowed naturally. Good job!

Thank you, Gregg!




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Offline Gregg

Re: The Last Archie Story
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2007, 01:30:31 AM »
Mark,

I bought the fact that when push came to shove, Betty would defend her life with everything she had, even to the point of killing the person attacking her. Had no problem with that at all. :>) The guilt and disgust she felt at doing this -- even when justified-- would make a great sequel.

Also didn't have a problem (well not too much anyway ;)) with Betty swearing, especially in the fight with Archie. But I couldn't see her being that disrespectful to her mother no matter what. YMMV, of course.

As far as control freaks go, Reggie, Moose, and Mr. Lodge are right up there. Any of them could have filled this role easily. More dramatic for Archie, considering his and Betty's history, but the transition from goof to controller was missing. For Archie to have become this way means -- to me anyway-- he had to go through something to change like that. He's never been a control freak. On the contrary, most of the time he's out of control -- accidents, emotions, school, the band-- he pretty much lives for and exists in the moment. I'd love to see a Archie POV story that creates the Archie persona that we see in your story. Now that would be good!

Reggie shoould have had more to do, but hey you can't have everything. :>)

You, Ronnie343, hellcat, Gotapenname and Captain Hero are making me want to do a fan fic as well.... its been years since I last wrote a story....   :o ;D

Gregg

Offline Gotapenname

Re: The Last Archie Story
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2007, 07:33:24 PM »
Mark,



You, Ronnie343, hellcat, Gotapenname and Captain Hero are making me want to do a fan fic as well.... its been years since I last wrote a story....   :o ;D

Gregg

yahh I have inspied somone feel so good ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
« Last Edit: May 20, 2007, 04:59:04 PM by Gotapenname »

Offline Tuxedo Mark

Re: The Last Archie Story
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2007, 09:57:54 PM »
The guilt and disgust she felt at doing this -- even when justified-- would make a great sequel.

You really don't get much of a sense of what happens next at the end of the first story. That's why I've decided to write a sequel.

The sequel (which I'm currently, slowly, working on) will deal with Betty during her senior year as she tries to sort everything out and find her place in a post-Archie world.

Also didn't have a problem (well not too much anyway ;)) with Betty swearing, especially in the fight with Archie. But I couldn't see her being that disrespectful to her mother no matter what. YMMV, of course.

Understood. I didn't see it as disrespect. More like a shock tactic.

As far as control freaks go, Reggie, Moose, and Mr. Lodge are right up there. Any of them could have filled this role easily.

Betty and Mr. Lodge... *shudders*

More dramatic for Archie, considering his and Betty's history, but the transition from goof to controller was missing. For Archie to have become this way means -- to me anyway-- he had to go through something to change like that. He's never been a control freak. On the contrary, most of the time he's out of control -- accidents, emotions, school, the band-- he pretty much lives for and exists in the moment.

Well, I'll have to get back to you on this. As the keeper of The Betty Cooper FAQ, I've found that Betty's personality is all over the map. Archie's probably is, too. I'll check my digests.

I'd love to see a Archie POV story that creates the Archie persona that we see in your story. Now that would be good!

Be my guest. Feel free to write it yourself. I have no love of Archie.

Reggie shoould have had more to do, but hey you can't have everything. :>)

He'll have more to do in the sequel.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2007, 10:03:06 PM by Tuxedo Mark »




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Offline Gregg

Re: The Last Archie Story
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2007, 12:18:45 PM »
So I found another Archie fanfic titled... funny enough... "the Last Archie Story"

http://www.mightycrusaders.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=226&sid=b66ecd7bbf7d855d5ad0dd8b90b59ecc

It's really well done. Looking at what I wanted in that story:


-- The gang going through their senior year of high school and graduating, then going to college or otherwise getting on with their lives.

CHECK

-- Archie making a final decision between Betty and Veronica. In true Archie fashion, after the decision, the triangle would fall apart. And even if the decision didn't "stick" the damage would be done.

CHECK


-- The death of a major character that brings dramatic changes to the gang

(While not a death, one gets critically injured. I'll say CHECK!)

--Jughead would reveal why he "hates" women (which he doesn't), and reveal to the gang his true love, January McAndrews and the effect that would have on Ethel.

(January shows up and has a major role. almost a check)

--Watching the gang split up after one last time at Pops.

(CHECK)

-- the revelation of Sabrina's powers to the gang

(CHECK)

-- a new relationship from out of left field for one of the gang involving a previously introduced character. The romance is understandable, but very unexpected. (Nope)

-- the parents of the gang get together on a social issue and combine their resources into a formidable whole, inspired of course by their children. (Nope)

-- Jughead reveals what the "S" stands for. (Nope)

-- "the Archies" break up forever

(CHECK)

-- Betty comes into money, the Lodges go through bankruptcy. (Nope)

-- a major character has a heart attack (non-fatal but eye opening) (Nope)

-- the kids get involved in an adventure -- very true to life-- and we're not sure who survives. A few are severely hurt. ("That which does not kill us makes us stronger!") This adventure would show the whole gang in their strongest lights, emphasizing their personalities, skills and talents.

(MAJOR CHECK, except the injuries/fatalities!)

Very well done. And hey any Archie story that involves Marvel and DC continuity is always good for me... ;)

Gregg

Offline darkmark

Re: The Last Archie Story
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2009, 03:37:14 AM »
Just found this thread here, Gregg, and I'm not only surprised I missed it, I'm surprised the board told me it was a new thread.  But I'm not disappointed.  Thanks.

 

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