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Author Topic: Has anyone read Larry Hama's '80s run on "G.I. Joe"?  (Read 427 times)

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Offline Jabroniville

Has anyone read Larry Hama's '80s run on "G.I. Joe"?
« on: December 02, 2011, 10:25:11 PM »
I've got all the trades from the run so far (only one more to go to get the complete series), and it is really excellent stuff. All the praise it gets is totally well-earned, despite some obvious bumps due to licensing issues (aka "hey let's meet our five new Joes who are only gonna show up in this one issue!"), and some over-use of Ninjas. It's also amazingly cynical given the subject matter of "Real American Heroes" (at one point, the Joes are sent on a literal suicide mission that's supposed to fail- they're supposed to rescue an American hostage, but it turns out he was planted there by the government to wipe out a rival nation's computer systems, and the Joes were sent there as a "token rescue force" to make it look legit), and you can definitely tell that Hama was really a soldier in Vietnam with all the lingo getting tossed around, and Stalker being used as a "talk to the readers about why all this stuff works the way it does" because he's based off of an old commander of Hama's.

Despite an enormous cast, Hama deftly contains it to only a few major recurring characters (sexist pig Clutch, elite recon agent Scarlett, Super-Ninja Snake-Eyes, philosophical ninja Storm Shadow, cynical elder soldier Stalker, elite leader Hawk, etc.), many of whom eventually became my favourites.

Anyone else ever get a hold of this series, or read it back in the day?
« Last Edit: December 02, 2011, 10:35:18 PM by Jabroniville »
"Who knows what kind of den of corruption Riverdale could turn out to be?"- The Punisher, "Archie Meets The Punisher"

Offline Jabroniville

Re: Has anyone read Larry Hama's '80s run on "G.I. Joe"?
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2011, 10:28:50 PM »
I love the one issue of "Special Missions", where it's basically Hama sitting down and explaining all this minutely-detailed stuff about how soldiers have to fight in real combat, and how all of the "standard training" utterly fails to prepare anyone. The Trade collection has a preamble by some guy who actually outlines the thirty-odd things he learned about the military JUST FROM THAT ONE ISSUE. Stuff like "always finish a full quart of water so the enemy can't hear your water sloshing around" and "always assume the enemy knows basic tactics, so don't always go to the most-natural ambush spot".

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Some great quotes are to be found here as well:

"Hmph! Fashion snobbery from someone who still wears a gold chain with an open shirt!"
-Cobra Commander, verbally-pwning Destro

"You could say that becoming a global terrorist leader was a step towards honesty for me!"
-Cobra Commander, discussing his start as a Used-Car Salesman

The Baroness & Firefly jump onto a Joe vessel to shoot them-
The Baroness: "For COBRAAAAA!"
Firefly: "For personal survival, and the promise of riches!"

There's also this great bit by Storm Shadow in another issue:
Storm Shadow: "Punishment and revenge simply continue the cycle of of ignorance and violence that created the problem in the first place. We, of all people, must abhor violence in all it's forms..."
Billy: "How can you say that? We're martial artists and warriors!"
Storm Shadow: "The only logical and rational purpose for mastering a martial art is to become non-violent. If we deny that violence is inherent to the universe, we surrender to it... we must instead strive to master it, and put it aside. We take no joy in it. We must love the goal, not the means.
Doesn't the warrior face the same paradox? Does the Doctor love the disease? Does the pious man love the sin? Nobody hates war as much as the warrior, for he has seen the ugly face of it. But in the end... he fights."
Billy: "Then no matter what we do, we're wrong?"
Storm Shadow: "Absolutely. We are always in the wrong. Politicians and lawyers spend all their time apportioning out the blame, being careful to avoid any themselves... We are guilty. We are guilty in believing in something as obsolete, forgotten and despised as... honor."

Hama's Roadblock rules the world, too:
Roadblock & co. are in the American Embassy of a rioting foreign country, and actively watching rioters loot & pillage the Embassy. Their mission is to rescue the Ambassador, nothing more)
Roadblock: (spotting an arsonist about to set fire to the American flag) "Gotta stop the guy with the lighter..."
Psyche-Out: "Let him slide, Roadblock--"
Roadblock: "No way." (looks to guy) "Sir, would you kindly desist in your actions and leave the premises?"
(guy spits on Roadblock's head, then goes inches from the flag. Roadblock loads up his .50 calibre machine gun- WHICH HE USES AS A SIDE-ARM)
"I am obliged to be courteous... and persistent. Sir, you are wilfully attempting to destroy United States property. If you persist in doing so, I SHALL reduce your head to a fine mist."
Guy: "You're crazy! There are people walking out of here with IBM typewriters! Why don't you shoot some of them?
Roadblock: "Nobody ever died for a typewriter."

Stalker (arriving home to the anxious Joes after spending five months at a prison Gulag): "Dag! Look at all the long faces! Did something bad happen while we were gone? Is Nixon President again?"

But seriously, Stalker is the best character ever in this (Snake-Eyes gets all the hype because he's a God-Mode Mary Sue incarnate, but there are better characters). He does all kinds of awesome stuff:

-When a team he was leading was owned by Kwinn the Eskimo Mercenary and left stranded in the arctic, he came up with a plane to salvage parts from a broken-down airplane, fashioning a SNOW-GLIDER out of it's seats and tarp and junk.



-Killed a frickin' Central American Crocodile using only a knife, while going into a description of it's scientific name, WHILE he was bobbing up and down in the water. While dressed as Don Johnson.

-Woke up from unconsciousness (from aforementioned attack), and got angry at Ripcord for building a fire to warm him up and cook their food, ie. THE CROCODILE STALKER KILLED, "tightly-packed mud is just as good, and doesn't draw enemies to your location! And raw meat goes down just as easy to a hungry man", then showed the team how to build a proper trench (zig-zagged to defend multiple sides), then puts two dummies in it and lays traps around the whole camp for hostiles.

-Ordered Outback to leave him with two injured Joes (to protect them) in a Ruritania-style foreign country, and kept them alive through five months in a Gulag, THEN sniped the evil Sergeant holding them captive once Snake-Eyes sprung the whole gang.

-Led an impossible mission into hostile territory to rescue a left-wing anti-military diplomat, then browbeats Rip Cord for insulting her beliefs and that their mission was wasted on her once she starts to cry at the deaths her plight has caused ("she's fighting for our rights, same as you! If I thought for one second that her opinion of us would change when we rescued her, then I'd lose every last shred of respect I have for her!").
"Who knows what kind of den of corruption Riverdale could turn out to be?"- The Punisher, "Archie Meets The Punisher"

Offline Jabroniville

Re: Has anyone read Larry Hama's '80s run on "G.I. Joe"?
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2011, 05:33:39 AM »
Another fun line (after yet another mission was proven to be the U.S. Government covering it's own rear)

Hardball: "We were USED!"
Muskrat: "So? Tell me, did we shoot somebody we weren't supposed to shoot, or not shoot somebody we were supposed to shoot?"
Hardball: "No."
Muskrat: "Then we did our job. That's all that counts. Good night."

Another, when one of those multiracial comic book gangs threatens Stalker & Storm Shadow-
Thug 1: You goin' to a wino costume party, or what? You know what THIS is? (brandishes a knife)
Stalker: You mess with ME, I'll just put a MEAN hurt on you... (close-up of him & Storm Shadow looking crazy as anyone has ever looked, ever) but you mess with m'MAN over here, he gonna BREAK YOUR MAMA'S HEARTS! You catch my drift?
Thug: Hey! We're OUT of here!
Thug: Those dudes were BAD! You see their EYES, Darnel?

This series also had some A-CLASS "Monsters of the Week" when Cobra wasn't involved. True scumbags in every sense of the term. Just give a sample reading of these jerk-wads:

Setting: Sgt. Mosiev is watching the White Clown and a Circus Dwarf perform at their tiny travelling Circus.
The White Clown: (gives speech introducing those to the circus)
Sgt. Mosiv: "Boring speeches! Bring on the Bareback Rider!"
White Clown: (shocked and horrified) "B-Bareback Rider?"
Sgt. Mosiev: (steps into the ring) "There was once a Borovian bareback rider, a real beauty-- her name was Magda!
She spoke out against the government and disappeared into the Gulags... I have noticed that this circus makes a tour of Borovia every season. Always playing the outlying districts.... the Hinterlands where all the Gulags are located. Could it be that the white clown is searching for his long lost love? Could this be a Don Quixote in whiteface, on a quest for his Dulcinea and tilting at the windmills of state security?"
 (the White Clown looks down in sadness)
Sgt. Mosiev: "Ohh!! Such a sad face! More like Pagliacci than the Man of La Mancha!"
Circus Dwarf: (runs in, pointing at the Sergeant) "You know about the White Clown and Magda! You know what became of her! What harm would it do to tell him whether she lives or not? Isn't the world cruel enough as it is?"
Sergeant Mosiev: (backhands the Dwarf down) "It is a state secret, you little demented freak! It is also for the sake of art, that I, Sgt. Mosiev, keep the secret!" (walks away, hand on his belly, laughing uproariously) "Is it not internal sorrow that makes the great clowns what they are? Who am I to deprive the world of laughter?"


That is ALPHA-LEVEL villainy right there. You want to jump up and cheer when Stalker snipes the bastard's brains out the back of his head in a Rifle Duel. Hama successfully makes one of the most evil scumbags EVER, as sadistic as they come, and doesn't even have to break 1980s restrictions on Marvel comics (FOR KIDS, no less- "Joe" was Marvel's most popular book amongst the younger crowd) to do it. There's another great villain, a monster Nazi who absconded with party funds years ago, and lived like a king in Argentina for years. The Joes & the Mossad come to meet him (the Joes to ask about some chemical weapon, the Mossad to kill him), argue for a bit, but ultimately leave him begging for his life because they've just revealed to his Nazi comrades that he absconded with those funds decades ago, instead of sharing with his brothers. One Nazi annoyingly tells him to "please, have some dignity..." before executing him.
"Who knows what kind of den of corruption Riverdale could turn out to be?"- The Punisher, "Archie Meets The Punisher"

 

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