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Offline thisisaname

Re: Protect IP Act - how worried should we be about this?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2011, 10:54:03 AM »
Apparently the SOPA hasn't been passed yet, but the Protect IP Act has? If that's been passed, that means the SOPA may be passed too. It's a shame because that means websites like this won't exist anymore (even though they're not breaking any laws) and the internet would just become yet another mundane thing to waste time on.

There's a good chance that even if passed, they can't really do anything to censor the internet as a whole. There are hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of websites out there. Then again, China has censored internet (and Australia to a lesser extent) so.....

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this did get passed. Just recently, Congress stated that frozen pizza is now considered a vegetable. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they could make whatever bills they wanted and have them passed.

Offline suzanimated

Re: Protect IP Act - how worried should we be about this?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2011, 05:06:54 PM »
If memory serves, Congress passed legislation qualifying two tablespoons of tomato sauce as being equal to a serving of vegetables. Basically, it was for the purpose of being able to keep pizza in cafeteria school lunches under the new healthier foods minimum content guidelines Obama administration has been moving forward. It's a little bit different from the pizza itself being declared a veggie, but that's what the headlines from all the major papers and news sites are saying!

Regarding IP/SOPA, here's a video (http://fightforthefuture.org/pipa/) that has been making the rounds that really breaks down how it could affect the US and internet consumers. The page also makes it easy to contact your congress person about it if that's what you want to do.

Here's a more wordy article about the issue from CNET - who have a great reputation. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57328045-281/sopas-latest-threat-ip-blocking-privacy-busting-packet-inspection/

I tried to find some reporting that advocated IP/SOPA, for the sake of a balanced perspective. I couldn't find a thing.

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Offline Biollante

Re: Protect IP Act - how worried should we be about this?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2011, 11:21:10 PM »
If memory serves, Congress passed legislation qualifying two tablespoons of tomato sauce as being equal to a serving of vegetables. Basically, it was for the purpose of being able to keep pizza in cafeteria school lunches under the new healthier foods minimum content guidelines Obama administration has been moving forward. It's a little bit different from the pizza itself being declared a veggie, but that's what the headlines from all the major papers and news sites are saying!

A tomato is a fruit, despite being considered a vegetable by some people.  As much as I liked substandard school lunch pizza as a kid, I think paste equates to a fruit or vegetable about as much as eating smooth peanut butter is the same as eating nuts. 

I think the headlines were correct, they just chose not to parse semantics and got to the point.  I don't really care all that much about the nutrition arguments vs. the frozen pizza industry, but  remember when the Republicans told us to elect them in the mid-term elections to "create jobs"?  These are the kind of "important" things they decided to worry about instead. 

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I tried to find some reporting that advocated IP/SOPA, for the sake of a balanced perspective. I couldn't find a thing.

That's because it would be a body blow to the economy and reeks of China style totalitarianism, so most people are against it.  I think the only reason this bill exists is due to well connected lobbyists from the RIAA and the MPAA controlling a few members of congress like puppets.  But solving their problems like that would be akin to chopping off your left hand to remove a wart.

Of course, this is the same RIAA that thought suing children and the elderly for millions of dollars over mp3 downloads was justified.  Honestly, music kind of sucks now.  They need to start looking in the mirror and begin realizing that having all the radio stations go corporate so they only play the same crap music may have been part of the problem.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2011, 12:54:38 AM by Ghidra »

Offline thisisaname

Re: Protect IP Act - how worried should we be about this?
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 07:12:50 AM »
Yeah, I know one music example that really hits close to home. My cousin owned and ran a jazz station here in Columbus, until these corporate guys swooped in and completely ruined it. Ironically the same cousin now works for the state.  :P

I'm personally hoping for the ability to vote on this. I haven't seen anything that indicates that we're actually gonna vote on it, though (as in, it's all Congress), so that worries me.

Offline Biollante

Re: Protect IP Act - how worried should we be about this?
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 11:56:07 AM »
Yeah, I know one music example that really hits close to home. My cousin owned and ran a jazz station here in Columbus, until these corporate guys swooped in and completely ruined it. Ironically the same cousin now works for the state.  :P

I'm personally hoping for the ability to vote on this. I haven't seen anything that indicates that we're actually gonna vote on it, though (as in, it's all Congress), so that worries me.

Yeah exactly, it really ticks me off because corporate radio literally killed hip hop music in the later part of the mid-90's. They were allowed to do this of course because they lobbied congress for the ability to set up monopolies. 

If congress allows them to do something like this to us again, the results are going to be disastrous.  This has to be the most draconian, heavy handed piece of legislation I've ever heard of.  What's even more moronic is the dinosaurs in congress don't even understand what the bill does after a hearing on the matter uncovered that much.

But yeah, I still buy CDs.  I don't download albums for my personal listening.  But I do it for the artist and prefer to do it with independent labels.  If I buy a Count Bass D album, I know he's using the money to feed his family or make his mortgage payments.  However, the people in the RIAA are scumbags that give the artists themselves shilling.  Remember, most big artists make their money on concerts.  That's because the recording industry is not involved. 

The MPAA are scumbags too.  The same exact thing happened in the film industry that happened in music.  You used to have a lot more competition and much more interesting and exciting movies because a good deal of theaters were privately owned.  The guy or girl that owned the theater could choose what to show. 

But then comes the mega-corporations that gobbled everything up.  The horror film, martial arts, exploitation, etc. genres pretty much die off from what they once were, hek films that just told a good story pretty much disappeared, and in exchange every theater in America is forced to show Jack and Jill and a bunch of films with shaky cam and fake looking CGI directed by hand picked music video directors the studio can easily bully into doing what they want.

And it's for these people we're supposed to let congress "break the internet"?

Offline thisisaname

Re: Protect IP Act - how worried should we be about this?
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2011, 01:35:58 PM »
I agree, Ghidra. It's getting to the point where everything is homogenized now. Most movies seem to have to same underlying premises (there's been so many romantic comedies lately I could scream!) most music now is one phrase repeated 16 million times through autotune. I noticed this especially with hip hop. I used to love hip hop when it was Tupac and Nas and NWA doing it, now it's basically all autotune and rapping about bling and nonsensical phrases repeated over and over. On the video game front, basically nothing but Fallout clones and FPS games. Is it any wonder my favorite games are from before 2004? Reality TV, dear lord, I don't even wanna get into that lol.

Sadly, kids are being raised with all this homogenized entertainment so if something outside of the mainstream comes around, it's shunned. Basically, in their eyes, if it doesn't make gobs of money like Twilight, it stinks. :P

I never thought about it from the corporate angle, but it makes a lot of sense now. Big corporations thrive on making everything the same and making money off of it. This explains why after small companies get devoured, things go south. I noticed this generation of games, for example, had a lot of takeovers by companies like Electronic Arts. When that happened, everybody just started doing the same thing and copying off each other's games. Now most American game companies especially just make first person shooters because that's a tried and true way to make money in a dismal economy. Not that this didn't happen back then either (how many clones of Street Fighter 2 did we have to sit through?) but it's worse now.

The irony is, these corporations that are doing this are already swimming in money, so what need do they have to ape off everyone else?

Offline Biollante

Re: Protect IP Act - how worried should we be about this?
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2011, 02:17:32 PM »
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The irony is, these corporations that are doing this are already swimming in money, so what need do they have to ape off everyone else?

Because corporations only exist to create profit.  I'm not against all corporations obviously, but the larger a corporation becomes, the less human it becomes.  At that point, things like "creativity" and risk taking that should be inherent in entertainment and fiction disappear. 

It becomes about bean counting and watering stuff down for supposed "mass appeal."  Also devouring your competition through totally underhanded means, such as calling on political favors as pay back for previous compensation like a mafia don, is totally acceptable.

I grantee you if Archie Comics was bought out by Viacom a few years back, the Kevin Keller storyline would not have happened.  This is why we have all these generic commercials on Cartoon Network about why bullying is bad, but Cartoon Network is still too cowardly to address the core problem at all, homophobia, because their corporate overlords won't let them. 

According to Cartoon Network, gay kids and homosexuality don't exist, because they've never once been portrayed on Cartoon Network when kids watch TV, which actually helps reinforce the culture that results in gay kids or kids perceived as being gay being bullied.

Why won't they?  Because huge non-human corporations can't take risks like that that may alienate the small segment of bigots they want to appeal to.  Achieving mass appeal means never offending anyone, even if it means a watered down spineless product. 

Similarly, doing something that doesn't match an already successful pattern is too big of a risk.  Thus we end up with a thousand remakes, endless knock offs, and things like Asian actors not being cast in Asian roles, because the machine only thinks that white actors are bankable.

Offline Jabroniville

Re: Protect IP Act - how worried should we be about this?
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2011, 01:59:07 AM »
This bill worries me (any degree of big-name corporate control tends to result in boredom at worst, and horrible mis-use at best), but sadly as a Canadian I can't really do much about it. We'll see if Canada becomes the new beacon of the Free Interweb :).

I'm not sure if Comic Book Message Boards are particularly-high on the "hit list" of the big studios (another Comics Board I visit is also freaking out over this), but with Time Warner & Disney owning the two respective North American titans of comics, who knows?

Because corporations only exist to create profit.  I'm not against all corporations obviously, but the larger a corporation becomes, the less human it becomes.  At that point, things like "creativity" and risk taking that should be inherent in entertainment and fiction disappear.

It becomes about bean counting and watering stuff down for supposed "mass appeal."  (snip)  Achieving mass appeal means never offending anyone, even if it means a watered down spineless product. 

I can see that- the recent "Three Musketeers" movie is a good example of something that is attempting to be every kind of audience's thing, while also being completely generic in every way possible. Any other examples that spring to your mind?  I think things tend to work best when they have one or two "key audiences", and then a Periphery Demographic or two (it's what makes "Sesame Street" better than "Barney", and what makes things like "Avatar: The Last Airbender" a bigger success as a TV show- it appeals to boys & dorks first, but THEN has an extra-large fandom of girls as well).

Personally, I see way more centralizing to focus only on 18-35 males- it's part of why Hollywood made a concentrated effort to avoid having women headline action-type movies (I hear the Wonder Woman movie got axed for just that reason)- it's believed they're "not marketable".

And I still see some risky ventures out there- movies are actually more prone to outsiders & freak hits coming out than TV shows these days. Of course, a lot of it is Corporate-based mock-rebellion & weirdness, like Lady Gaga, who takes an already-popular genre, and then keeps doing "shocking" things.

Regarding studios & the entertainment industry, there's a very cool book on the subject- "Desperate Networks" by Bill Carter. It left me with a shock that ANY good shows get created AT ALL. Everything has to go through committee after committee, and group after group, to make sure it passes everyone's standards. Every group is full of yes-men, "I only like what I've seen before" types, etc. It's not just corporate greed- it's general incompetence and a case of too many chefs. Apparently the head of CBS (Les Moonves at the time, I think) nearly listened to his followers after they trashed a concept he liked, before Phil Rosenthal (co-creator of "Everybody Loves Raymond") interrupted them and was like "What? You said you liked this idea before? Why are you listening to everyone telling you they hate it?" "Lost" only got the greenlight because the head of ABC created it- ANYONE else and it would've been canned. General pandering (especially to the "money bracket" of 18-35 men) from Fox led them to become a near-top network, CBS just cranked outs CSI spin-offs the second they got a hit on their hit-starved hands, while NBC ran themselves into the ground.

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Similarly, doing something that doesn't match an already successful pattern is too big of a risk.  Thus we end up with a thousand remakes, endless knock offs, and things like Asian actors not being cast in Asian roles, because the machine only thinks that white actors are bankable.

A lack of originality is another key thing- though this has always plagued the arts, as far back as recorded history goes- someone does something popular, and then everyone goes to mimic it (even the ultra-elitist world of Broadway is literally NOTHING but adaptations & remakes). I also blame movie audiences- if people keep going to see tripe, then tripe is all we'll get after a point (looking at you, people who buy tickets to Michael Bay movies- if the guy stopped making hits, he'd stop making films). A similar problem takes place in casting offices- ever wonder why nearly EVERY actress cast these days is a skinny blow-pop girl with a big head and HUGE eyes? Because someone decided that's what everyone wanted to see, and directors love women who don't distract you with non-eye-based things. Despite the fact that almost every man I know prefers a more Scarlett Johannsen/Christine Hendricks-type figure. A lot of people just decide what the new standard is going to be, with zero evidence to really back it up.
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Offline Biollante

Re: Protect IP Act - how worried should we be about this?
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2011, 03:01:04 AM »
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A lack of originality is another key thing- though this has always plagued the arts, as far back as recorded history goes- someone does something popular, and then everyone goes to mimic it (even the ultra-elitist world of Broadway is literally NOTHING but adaptations & remakes). I also blame movie audiences- if people keep going to see tripe, then tripe is all we'll get after a point (looking at you, people who buy tickets to Michael Bay movies- if the guy stopped making hits, he'd stop making films). A similar problem takes place in casting offices- ever wonder why nearly EVERY actress cast these days is a skinny blow-pop girl with a big head and HUGE eyes? Because someone decided that's what everyone wanted to see, and directors love women who don't distract you with non-eye-based things. Despite the fact that almost every man I know prefers a more Scarlett Johannsen/Christine Hendricks-type figure. A lot of people just decide what the new standard is going to be, with zero evidence to really back it up.

1.  There can be good lack of originality and bad lack of originality.  The difference here is it true inspiration?  Like John Carpenter was probably very influced by Dario Argento's Deep Red to make Halloween.  Despite similarities in how both films where shot and scored, they're both great films.

Bad kind of lack of originality?  The suits at a studio decide they have to make a Nightmare on Elm Street remake.  So they go out and hand pick a screenwriter and director, preferably a director that is new and hasn't been successful.  This way they can pay him very little and boss him around during all stages of the production schedule.  Screen writer and director are not really inspired to produce this remake.  They didn't set out to do it, but they were tasked to do it.  It's literally just a job to them.  The end result is a passionless piece of crap that will go directly into the garbage bin of cinematic history after they make whatever money they can just off the idea that it's a Nightmare on Elm Street remake.

This is what's wrong with Hollywood.  It's not about artists, good ideas, or even just fun movies anymore.  It's about pumping out a product.  Not that it hasn't always been, but studios used to take risks with exciting screen plays and hired directors based on skill.  Now everything is about marketing.  Marketing is honestly one of the worst things to happen to entertainment.  It's dumbed down everything in the worst way possible.  You can't make a good piece of art based on graphs and pie charts.  But this is basically what they try to do now.

2.  Audiences can't go to see good movies if they're never green lit.  So it's a big cycle unfortunately.  Same thing with music.  They may think that good artists can't sell, but they can't sell if all you do is promote crap pop music.  It's a self-created problem.  Same thing with the "let's cast this Asian character as a white guy/girl because Asian actors don't sell."  How about the fact you created that problem yourself by never giving them a chance in the first place?

3.  Don't get me started on that.  The casting of Catwoman in the next Nolan bat film is still pissing me off.  The Chun-Li film was the same way.  It's like they're frightened of a woman with hips.  And then we see all this idolization of Marilyn Monroe in the media, but then we get this double speak that a woman can't both eat food and be sexy.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2011, 03:55:20 AM by Ghidra »

Offline Jabroniville

Re: Protect IP Act - how worried should we be about this?
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2011, 03:51:20 AM »
Reminds me of what the late, great Bill Hicks once said in a comedy routine: "If you work in Marketing-- Kill Yourself."

I still laugh when thinking about how people reacted to the Dark Knight & Avengers "candid shots" of Catwoman & Black Widow in costume during outdoor shooting. Someone was all "wow, anyone notice how Scarlett Johannsen is like way hotter than Anne Hathaway before editing & lighting are taken into account?" Everyone else was like, "Well yeah, duh." I mean, how could that even be a surprise? One's attractive-ish, and the other is basically Aphrodite given human form.

And what's REALLY scary is that Scarlett is a raved-about actress with insane talent- she had to WORK to prove she had what it took, because otherwise someone with her body could barely find work outside of slasher flicks. Kate Winslet was the same way- she had to prove real acting chops, AND a willingness to take her clothes off whenever possible (NOT complaining, of course :)), just to get as famous and notable as she is- she would NEVER have gotten as fair a shake as Keira "built like a 12-year old boy" Knightley.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2011, 05:48:17 AM by Jabroniville »
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Offline Biollante

Re: Protect IP Act - how worried should we be about this?
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2011, 04:13:25 AM »
She's hot, but I hated Scarlett Johansen in Iron Man 2.  Although, maybe that wasn't her fault.  I was mainly annoyed that her "fight" scene involved about 4,000 different cuts, making it obvious she can't perform marital arts worth s***.  This is another thing that has been lost on Hollywood, the fight scene is totally dead now.  This is why I like going back and watching something worked on by Sonny Chiba and his Japan Action Club.  There's intricate fight scenes with no cutting.  The performers, men and women, actually knew how to do martial arts.  It was about as real as you can get, and it's about 10,000 time more immersive and entertaining than anything I've seen out of Hollywood in recent history.

This is another problem with Hollywood, instead of taking the effort to do things that look real and good, they take the easy way out and produce crap.  This is why so many movies have needless CGI.  Practical effects are obviously better. They look more real and it produces better acting since the actors have something to respond to.  They're also cheaper a lot of the time.  However, it's just easier for the director to film something in front of a green screen and then tell a team of animators to render it in post then to actually do his or her job in real time.  It's sheer laziness.

This is why I think Prometheus will be an excellent film.  Ridley Scott actually used real sets, tangible props, and practical effects while filming it.  There may be some CGI, but he actually built most of stuff other directors would've just told other people to animate.  It's the complete opposite of what other other director is doing now.

 


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