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Offline PTF

So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« on: March 19, 2012, 01:06:50 AM »
Apparently the Turtles are aliens. And it'll be called Ninja Turtles.

...

What did I ever do to Michael Bay were he feels this need to destroy everything in my childhood that I enjoyed? :(

Offline B-ko Daitokuji

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2012, 07:34:38 AM »
I don't buy this even if Michael Bay said something idiotic in an interview.  Peter Laird would never approve something so stupid.  This isn't like Transformers, which is owned by a corporation.  A person with a brain in their head actually owns the rights to the franchise.


Offline crooow

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2012, 09:40:24 AM »
I don't buy this even if Michael Bay said something idiotic in an interview.  Peter Laird would never approve something so stupid.  This isn't like Transformers, which is owned by a corporation.  A person with a brain in their head actually owns the rights to the franchise.

Peter Laird sold the TMNT franchise lock, stock and barrel to Viacom not too long ago. 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/21/idUS136562+21-Oct-2009+PRN20091021
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Offline PTF

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2012, 10:36:42 AM »
Yeah, Viacom owns it. Laird does get to publish about eighteen comics a year of TMNT, if I remember correctly.


Offline B-ko Daitokuji

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2012, 11:43:09 AM »
I don't buy this even if Michael Bay said something idiotic in an interview.  Peter Laird would never approve something so stupid.  This isn't like Transformers, which is owned by a corporation.  A person with a brain in their head actually owns the rights to the franchise.

Peter Laird sold the TMNT franchise lock, stock and barrel to Viacom not too long ago. 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/21/idUS136562+21-Oct-2009+PRN20091021

Ugh, Je*** Ch****.  Well, that explains why this is happening.  Laird would have not approved making the Turtles into freaking aliens.  I mean I don't blame the man for wanting to make a pay day for a nice retirement, but it's just better if the creator owns it.  For example, Don Coscarelli owns Phantasm, and when they wanted to make a terrible Phantasm remake, he had the power to shut it down.

Michael Bay is really the biggest hack on Earth.  This is not going to go over well.  The Turtles are extremely well known.  You may as well make a Superman movie where he doesn't come from Krypton.  Arrogant jerk obviously just wants to make another mindless alien invasion CGI shaky cam shlock fest.

I pray that he soon experiences a bomb the magnitude of the Dean Devlin Godzilla remake that will crater his career.  Either that or he some how gets the Poltergeist curse.  lol


Offline PTF

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2012, 12:30:30 PM »
When I heard Bay was going to do a TMNT movie I wondered how he would get all those explosions. I figured exploding shurikens. Well, he found a way for his big explosions.

And I like how it went from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to Ninja Turtles. Apparently they will not be mutants and not teenagers...but ninjutsu exists beyond the Milky Way Galaxy. :)

Offline Captain Hero

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2012, 12:53:56 PM »
Oh, Michael Bay is involved...pass.

Honestly, the 1990 movie adaptation was more than enough, and still stayed true to both the comic and the cartoon series...
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Offline PTF

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2012, 06:40:59 PM »
I thought TMNT was okay, too. The Raph vs. Leo fight was great. It's nice for the Raph fans to finally get a win against Leo. :)

I think we need to do something about Michael Bay though. This guy is going after a few childhoods with his horrible, horrible movies directed by himself or some music director. I mean, Archie and Friends has to be on his list somewhere. :)

Offline Jabroniville

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2012, 05:20:35 AM »
What I find truly bizarre is that NOBODY I've ever met claims to like Michael Bay movies. I've never met an ardent fan in real life. So... who's going to see these movies? I mean, I saw the first two TF movies because I loved the overall franchise, and TF 1 wasn't that bad (probably doesn't hold up, though- I only saw it once). When the 2nd one was the worst movie I'd seen in years, I made it a point not to watch anymore.

But the guy's movies are still making MILLIONS. Who is actually watching them still?  We need to fight Hollywood with the one weapon they recognize- MONEY. Stop paying to see this junk.
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Offline B-ko Daitokuji

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2012, 08:53:42 AM »
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and TF 1 wasn't that bad

One of the worst movies I've seen.  Didn't see the sequel.  I see a lot of people saying this about films that I thought were terrible that got sequels though.  Like Rob Zombie's Hickoween was "good" but it was only the sequel that was bad.  One of the my biggest regrets is I didn't walk out of the original.  I was actually thinking about it at the time.  LOL.

What I find truly bizarre is that NOBODY I've ever met claims to like Michael Bay movies. I've never met an ardent fan in real life. So... who's going to see these movies? I mean, I saw the first two TF movies because I loved the overall franchise, and TF 1 wasn't that bad (probably doesn't hold up, though- I only saw it once). When the 2nd one was the worst movie I'd seen in years, I made it a point not to watch anymore.

But the guy's movies are still making MILLIONS. Who is actually watching them still?  We need to fight Hollywood with the one weapon they recognize- MONEY. Stop paying to see this junk.

There's a few reasons why.

1.  Transformers Has Brand Recognition

Everyone knows what it is.  Robots that change into stuff, and that idea seems "cool" to them.  It's sort of like if Disney decided to launch a Mickey Mouse movie or something.  It would be successful just because.

2.  Despite High Brand Recognition People Don't Know or Care Much More about What Transformers Should Be

They know they should change into things and there should be some guy named Optimus Prime that is a semi.  That's about it.  So Michael Bay could literally have gotten away with anything.

3.  Most Hardcore Transformers Fans Are Dumb

I spent time in this fandom.  It was a big waste really.  Like possibly the most insecure fandom ever, even more so than usual becuase they collect children's toys.  Over all, though, Transfans are used to praising crap (G1 episodes and the like).  It's not too hard to see why they would be mesmerized by a big budget train wreck CGI spaz attack.  Throw in an ugly male nerd getting a hot girl and it will win them over even more.  lol

There's more reasons, but I'm getting bored talking about this already, so I'll leave it at that.  Note that Michael Bay and his "talent" don't really factor in there.

Why won't this bs work for this version of TMNT?  Because of number 2.  The public actually knows a little bit more about what TMNT should be.  They know they're mutants created by some kind of ooze or chemical like substance.  They know they're not space aliens.  So, it's already an instant fail.


Offline PTF

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2012, 09:02:35 AM »
What I find truly bizarre is that NOBODY I've ever met claims to like Michael Bay movies. I've never met an ardent fan in real life. So... who's going to see these movies? I mean, I saw the first two TF movies because I loved the overall franchise, and TF 1 wasn't that bad (probably doesn't hold up, though- I only saw it once). When the 2nd one was the worst movie I'd seen in years, I made it a point not to watch anymore.

But the guy's movies are still making MILLIONS. Who is actually watching them still?  We need to fight Hollywood with the one weapon they recognize- MONEY. Stop paying to see this junk.

I liked a few of his movies.

The Rock, Armageddon were pretty good movies. Yeah, the drilling and bomb thing...but all the actors made it believable.

He just got lazy. He just decided "I don't really need to direct as much as I need to have explosions! MASSIVE EXPLOSIONS!!!"  And being lazy made him horrible.

I mean, It took me time to watch Transformers...because I couldn't tell what was going on because of how horrible the robots looked and every time a character took a few steps, it was like there was an earthquake on set!

I could probably ignore him if it wasn't for the fact he's ruining franchises.

Transformers: Bay needs to watch Transformers Prime to see how to do Transformers and still have human characters. Seriously, it's called TRANSFORMERS. And yet they seem secondary to the human characters. Optimus Prime was also a psychopath. Transformers two is...okay it has the worse of everything bad in a Bay movie: No plot, annoying characters, stupid, juvinile humor, EXPLOSIONS. Even things that shouldn't explode must EXPLODE!!!

Nightmare on Elm Street: One of the best things about Freddy Krueger. He was a funny, charismatic guy. Yeah, he's a horrible monster, but you can't help but laugh. So they decide to make him not have a personality and horrible make-up. And cast the stupid biker kid from the Bad News Bears as Freddy. Robert Englund owns the part. He makes even the worse watchable. And how bad...just compare the floating death scene. How can anyone who has anything to do with the reboot look at what they did and consider it good? That was pathetic.

TMNT: Normally, I wait until the movie...but when you eliminate several of the core concepts (which are in the title!!!) then I make an exception. The Turtlers are mutants. It's just that simple. You've seen countless comics, movies, and cartoons each have their own take on this  and keep the core origin in place. Making the turtles into aliens is something you'd read on a bad fan fic. It shouldn't be a motion picture.

Friday the 13th: They crammed like five of the movies into one. Friday the 13th isn't too hard to do. You have a misguided spirit of vengeance in Jason, you have the main heroine and you have some really jerk characters. You kind of root for Jason when he's getting rid of bad crowd and turn on him and root for the hero when it's down to him or her. This movie...okay, why did Jason look like an alien without his mask?

Oh, and the last two did what I hate in horror movies: The heroes play by the rules of the movie, win...BUT THE MONSTER IS ALIVE!!!

Man, I hate that. It's like if I played the newest Mario Bros Game, I win, and during the end story...Bowser reappears and eats Mario.

And honestly, movies are generally going to make money, even horrible ones. To fail, it seems that a movie has to be so blantingly awful (Jonah Hex, Green Latern) or poorly advertised to the point where you just don't get the movie (John Carter...which looks to lose about two hundred million dollars) Bay lately is working on franchises that have a fan base.

What I'm saying is we're doomed. :(

Offline B-ko Daitokuji

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2012, 09:24:12 AM »
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The Rock, Armageddon were pretty good movies. Yeah, the drilling and bomb thing...but all the actors made it believable.

I still thought these movies were horrible and dumb as dirt.  I think all everyone remembers about the Rock is 13 year old level dialogue about f***** prom queens.  The guy was just lucky he was able to cast Nicolas Cage and Sean Connery in the same movie.   And Armageddon made sure that Aerosmith became my least favorite classic rock band of all time.

I also hated Bad Boys and Pearl Harbor.  So yeah, I'm definitely consistent.  I kept giving the guy chances and hated everything I've ever seen from him.

I'm glad Disney's John Carter was the biggest bomb of all time.  Haven't seen that film, so I don't know how bad it actually was, but it'll at least stop Disney from making more horrible "tent-pole" movies like Armageddon.  lol

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Oh, and the last two did what I hate in horror movies: The heroes play by the rules of the movie, win...BUT THE MONSTER IS ALIVE!!!

Man, I hate that. It's like if I played the newest Mario Bros Game, I win, and during the end story...Bowser reappears and eats Mario.

Those endings are why the first few Friday the 13th movies were good.  The villain surviving or the heroes losing actually makes you creeped out and nervous as you leave the theater.  That's why they're effective I think.  I didn't see the new one though.    I learned my lesson with Halloween.  No more remakes period.  lol
« Last Edit: March 20, 2012, 09:32:39 AM by Biollante »


Offline PTF

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2012, 11:27:59 AM »
Heh. The fact he had his best set of actors probably helped make those two movies enjoyable to me. Those two movies are probably the best cast of actors he had. Then he decided he just needed some guy who runs around all the time and some attractive woman. Acting...not really needed anymore. :)

And those are the only two movies, out of all he's done (directing, producing, or whatever else) that I like. I really like Armageddon (Hey, I like the Leprechaun movies, :) ) and The Rock is okay to watch when nothing else is on.

It's not the same with the Friday movies. I mean, in the first one Jason was just a dream and she died in the beginning of the second. I'm talking more: Heroes kills monster with deux ex machina, hero should win, but monster somehow comes back. 

I don't have a problem with the monsters winning, but

1. It has to make sense. If the cast isn't smart enough or fail, yeah. Saw made sense to me. But when you do what  you're supposed to to kill the monster, do it and then it works, but the monster comes back no matter what--it just makes me feel I wasted my time.

2. It just happens in every horror movie now! It's not creepy as much as it is lazy to me now.

Offline B-ko Daitokuji

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2012, 01:16:50 PM »
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It's not the same with the Friday movies. I mean, in the first one Jason was just a dream and she died in the beginning of the second. I'm talking more: Heroes kills monster with deux ex machina, hero should win, but monster somehow comes back.

I don't have a problem with the monsters winning, but

1. It has to make sense. If the cast isn't smart enough or fail, yeah. Saw made sense to me. But when you do what  you're supposed to to kill the monster, do it and then it works, but the monster comes back no matter what--it just makes me feel I wasted my time.

2. It just happens in every horror movie now! It's not creepy as much as it is lazy to me now.

I've never bothered to see a Saw movie.  Was already sure of what I was going to see so I didn't even bother.  I don't know if I really even consider those horror movies.  Seems more like torture-ploitation or something, which is actually not a new concept at all.

I don't really think Jason was a dream at the end of the first film.  It was surreal yeah, and she may have thought it was one in the next film, but I think it's more complicated than that.  Haven't seen those movies for sometime now, but my impression was that there was a supernatural element going on.

But yeah, if you want to go back to the oldschool way of making good horror movies, there's never really a victory.  In Halloween, Michael Myers is shot six times but then gets up and leaves at the end.  Possibly the best ending ever.  The end of Halloween III where all the kids still died was great.  The ending to Phantasm where Mike is still screwed was also awesome.

There's some exceptions I guess.  The ending to Suspiria wasn't supposed to be wholly negative because it's and adult fairytale.  It works because it completes the fairytale narrative.  The ending to Alien is a mixed bag.  Ripley wins, but then again she's still lost in space, which was an awesome tone to set as the credits rolled.

Overall, I think it's better if a good horror movie has a negative ending.  The only time when I see a total comeuppance being necessary is in a revenge movie, but that's a related but different genre.


Offline PTF

Re: So Bay's new TMNT movie...
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2012, 02:50:39 PM »
Mike had it rough in all the Phantasm movies. Reggie is the most underrated horror hero.

Well, how about we compromise and say it was a premonition? Didn't happen, but was telling her that Jason is out there and will be coming for her.

I won't argue with you, I was okay with those because it made sense. Myers was an unstoppable, silent force of rage. I'm talking where you have a movie where it doesn't make sense. I'm watching a movie on the Chiller Channel with people being sold and kept in barns. The villainess gets a shotgun blast, point blank, through her chest. The hero (after losing a few fingers) takes out the other bad guy...only to get killed by the should be dead at most, paralyzed at least villainess.

And the good guys can win and it still be a good horror movie: Nightmare on Elm Street Three springs to mind.

I just don't like it when it feels tacked on or just done as one last lame scare. Worse is that everyone keeps doing it. :(


 

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