Author Topic: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead) (Read 541 times)

Biollante · « **on:** November 13, 2011, 05:37:56 PM »

Yeah, so I just saw this trailer for this upcoming film, Snow White and the Huntsman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY67V0wOlz8

I don't know about anyone else, but I can't really help but laugh at how utterly preposterous this is. Instead of the 7 dwarfs, we're getting Thor. And instead of Snow White, we're getting Bella from Twilight as some kind of sword wielding crusader.

Also points for acting like Charlize Theron can be compared to Kristen Stewart in regards to looks or acting ability.

I liked when in the past when you wanted to do a really dark, inverted fairy tale movie that changed the rules, you did an original story. But Hollywood can't do anything original ever anymore, so that's not going to happen.

I also really like the corporate know-it-alls who conceived this film thinking they could make something as non-feminist as Snow White feminist by making her into some kind of warrior (who is ultimately going to be helped by Thor, because you know there still has to be a male bad@ss there to help her). It seems about as legitimate as certain comic book companies thinking changing superheroes that were white for 70 years to black suddenly makes them more diverse.

I can just think of some of the new "re-imaginings" from this same vein:

Cinderella: Kung Fu Master
The Boxer and the Beast
The Little Mermaid Goes to War
Sleeping Beauty the Bad @sss (You Better Not Wake Her!)
The Warrior Princess and the Frog
Pocahontas Vs. General Custer: Little Bighorn Massacre

Lots of possibilities there.

Tuxedo Mark · « **Reply #1 on:** November 13, 2011, 06:32:07 PM »

Those all sound awesome actually.

And I like the trailer...

...except for one little thing:

"Mirror, mirror, on the wall"!

Argh! Now, this misquote is going to get even MORE widespread! It's "MAGIC mirror on the wall"!

Biollante · « **Reply #2 on:** November 13, 2011, 06:48:01 PM »

As for the trailer, I hate how it has to have the music to Dark Knight playing to it. So generic at this point.

Quote

Argh! Now, this misquote is going to get even MORE widespread! It's "MAGIC mirror on the wall"!

I think Disney is prepping a movie called "Mirror, Mirror" to come out around the same time as well. This is how Hollywood works. We're also going to have probably 5 different Wizard of Oz related movies come out around the same time in the next couple of years.

aamrun · « **Reply #3 on:** November 13, 2011, 11:23:54 PM »

Huntsman ? Seems more like a Snow White - Red Riding Hood crossover.

NineZero09 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 14, 2011, 01:50:27 AM »

Quote from: Ghidra on November 13, 2011, 05:37:56 PM

Yeah, so I just saw this trailer for this upcoming film, Snow White and the Huntsman:

I also really like the corporate know-it-alls who conceived this film thinking they could make something as non-feminist as Snow White feminist by making her into some kind of warrior (who is ultimately going to be helped by Thor, because you know there still has to be a male bad@ss there to help her). It seems about as legitimate as certain comic book companies thinking changing superheroes that were white for 70 years to black suddenly makes them more diverse.

Lots of possibilities there.

Tonight's Simpsons episode shown Marge on the rescue to save Homer's life when he mistook an address of a high-end restaurant for a meth lab.

Nice to see a woman save a man for a change, doesn't have to be the male respond to a "damsel in distress". I know Snow White is a kids' or family-themed film, but Disney sends mixed messages on "looks are worth more than brains", but what about the adage by no other than Judge Judy's autobio: "Beauty fades, Dumb is forever."

Biollante · « **Reply #5 on:** November 14, 2011, 03:12:50 AM »

Quote

Huntsman ? Seems more like a Snow White - Red Riding Hood crossover.

That is a good point, it does seem like it has elements from Red Riding Hood or at least something else entirely. I honestly don't want to imagine the kind of development hell that produced this monstrosity. lol

Quote from: NineZero09 on November 14, 2011, 01:50:27 AM

Quote from: Ghidra on November 13, 2011, 05:37:56 PM
Yeah, so I just saw this trailer for this upcoming film, Snow White and the Huntsman:

I also really like the corporate know-it-alls who conceived this film thinking they could make something as non-feminist as Snow White feminist by making her into some kind of warrior (who is ultimately going to be helped by Thor, because you know there still has to be a male bad@ss there to help her). It seems about as legitimate as certain comic book companies thinking changing superheroes that were white for 70 years to black suddenly makes them more diverse.

Lots of possibilities there.

Tonight's Simpsons episode shown Marge on the rescue to save Homer's life when he mistook an address of a high-end restaurant for a meth lab. Nice to see a woman save a man for a change, doesn't have to be the male respond to a "damsel in distress". I know Snow White is a kids' or family-themed film, but Disney sends mixed messages on "looks are worth more than brains", but what about the adage by no other than Judge Judy's autobio: "Beauty fades, Dumb is forever."

I don't know, I'm really liberal but political correctness annoys me. Arguing that something as innocuous as Snow White sends "the wrong message to young girls" is just a tad ridiculous imo. A child is not going to be that influenced by a cartoon to the point that it is going to ruin their development or their concepts of self or reality.

Just seems like a great excuse to use for people that don't actually want to raise their kids. Also I'd say people that really do believe that don't even remember what it was like to be a kid with the ability to enjoy things without inanely deconstructing everything to find evil hidden agendas that don't really exist.

Second point, you can never please the critics that say these kinds of things. In fact, if you try to please them, they will still find things to pick apart because that's what they do no matter what. Case in point, this movie is now supposedly racist:

http://jezebel.com/5858448/why-are-the-new-modern-interpretations-of-snow-white-so-white

Pretty hilarious stuff. Although, I'd hate to tell the author that yes fair skin can be beautiful. Just like dark skin can.

And yeah, Snow White certainly isn't a tale of female empowerment, and is probably a reflection of the "patriarchal" society (don't really like that term, since a matriarchal society is the same thing) that existed at the time. On the other hand, it's a story that is probably 200 years old. Just seems a bit stupid to go back now and try to change the supposed biases in the most hamfisted, generic Hollywood way possible.

Not that I don't like alternate takes on fairytales, even twisted takes on them. But I like my Snow White to actually kind of resemble Snow White. Snow White is a maiden that hangs around little weirdos in the woods. She's not Joan of Arc with ninja skills. I like my stuff with warrior women, but when I want to see that, I actually watch something that was supposed to be about them from the beginning.

Anyways, don't mean to go on a nerd rage rant of epic length, but it keeps me off the streets at least. lol

aamrun · « **Reply #6 on:** November 14, 2011, 05:36:03 AM »

Quote from: Ghidra on November 14, 2011, 03:12:50 AM

Quote
Huntsman ? Seems more like a Snow White - Red Riding Hood crossover.

That is a good point, it does seem like it has elements from Red Riding Hood or at least something else entirely. I honestly don't want to imagine the kind of development hell that produced this monstrosity. lol

Quote from: NineZero09 on November 14, 2011, 01:50:27 AM
Quote from: Ghidra on November 13, 2011, 05:37:56 PM
Yeah, so I just saw this trailer for this upcoming film, Snow White and the Huntsman:

I also really like the corporate know-it-alls who conceived this film thinking they could make something as non-feminist as Snow White feminist by making her into some kind of warrior (who is ultimately going to be helped by Thor, because you know there still has to be a male bad@ss there to help her). It seems about as legitimate as certain comic book companies thinking changing superheroes that were white for 70 years to black suddenly makes them more diverse.

Lots of possibilities there.

Tonight's Simpsons episode shown Marge on the rescue to save Homer's life when he mistook an address of a high-end restaurant for a meth lab. Nice to see a woman save a man for a change, doesn't have to be the male respond to a "damsel in distress". I know Snow White is a kids' or family-themed film, but Disney sends mixed messages on "looks are worth more than brains", but what about the adage by no other than Judge Judy's autobio: "Beauty fades, Dumb is forever."

I don't know, I'm really liberal but political correctness annoys me. Arguing that something as innocuous as Snow White sends "the wrong message to young girls" is just a tad ridiculous imo. A child is not going to be that influenced by a cartoon to the point that it is going to ruin their development or their concepts of self or reality.

Just seems like a great excuse to use for people that don't actually want to raise their kids. Also I'd say people that really do believe that don't even remember what it was like to be a kid with the ability to enjoy things without inanely deconstructing everything to find evil hidden agendas that don't really exist.

Second point, you can never please the critics that say these kinds of things. In fact, if you try to please them, they will still find things to pick apart because that's what they do no matter what. Case in point, this movie is now supposedly racist:

http://jezebel.com/5858448/why-are-the-new-modern-interpretations-of-snow-white-so-white

Pretty hilarious stuff. Although, I'd hate to tell the author that yes fair skin can be beautiful. Just like dark skin can.

And yeah, Snow White certainly isn't a tale of female empowerment, and is probably a reflection of the "patriarchal" society (don't really like that term, since a matriarchal society is the same thing) that existed at the time. On the other hand, it's a story that is probably 200 years old. Just seems a bit stupid to go back now and try to change the supposed biases in the most hamfisted, generic Hollywood way possible.

Not that I don't like alternate takes on fairytales, even twisted takes on them. But I like my Snow White to actually kind of resemble Snow White. Snow White is a maiden that hangs around little weirdos in the woods. She's not Joan of Arc with ninja skills. I like my stuff with warrior women, but when I want to see that, I actually watch something that was supposed to be about them from the beginning.

Anyways, don't mean to go on a nerd rage rant of epic length, but it keeps me off the streets at least. lol

Large quote but I elaborate on Ghidra's line. So.......

Snow White originated in tales from the Middle Ages, perhaps earlier, society then was patriarchal ( it still is, but more so then ). Retelling that tale is fine as long as we don't go overboard and do not sideline or even worse choose to forget the original versions.

History, taught in classrooms all over the world, has to conform to so called 'Political Correctness' and majority views of that nation. In doing so, many important narratives and episodes are glossed over or neglected because they would have a jarring effect. What is overlooked is that this 'shock' is required in order to make sense of the present. If everything was as hunky dory and straight forward as claimed by the textbooks, the world would be a lot less screwed up than it is now.

Tales like Snow White are a form of History Folklore. Customs, traditions, events passed on from generation to generation in the form of stories with explicit ( Aesop ) or implicit ( Grimm's Fairy Tales ) morals. If we can't make that flow better, let's not dam it up.

Jabroniville · « **Reply #7 on:** November 16, 2011, 02:48:50 AM »

Quote from: Ghidra on November 13, 2011, 06:48:01 PM

As for the trailer, I hate how it has to have the music to Dark Knight playing to it. So generic at this point.

Quote
Argh! Now, this misquote is going to get even MORE widespread! It's "MAGIC mirror on the wall"!

I think Disney is prepping a movie called "Mirror, Mirror" to come out around the same time as well. This is how Hollywood works. We're also going to have probably 5 different Wizard of Oz related movies come out around the same time in the next couple of years.

Really? Five Wizard of Oz movies? I've heard about plans for a "Wicked" movie (though I'm not sure how far it's gotten- Idina Menzel says "they say we are too old" about the original cast reprising their roles), but not about anything else. I know a movie got a limited-release not too long ago (Christopher Lloyd and AL SNOW of all people were in it) about Oz stuff, but not about anything else.

But yeah, updating old fairy tales with EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEME re-makes is a silly idea. Is it even a feminist thing? I think it's more to appeal to dorks that are REALLY into the "Sexy girls who kill people" genre. And fans of "Thor" and the modern type of "epic violent fantasy" genre.

And yeah, KRISTIN "blank-face" STEWART is supposed to be as hot as Charlize Theron at ANY point? Get outta here with that nonsense. Beavis & Butt-head are right- the girl's a dang zombie. I'm pretty sure Theron could be dead and decayed for 10 years and still be a little hotter than Stewart. I have no idea who this Lily Collins is (from the OTHER "Snow White" movie), but she's better looking than Stewart (who is downright plain) too.

PTF · « **Reply #8 on:** November 16, 2011, 08:43:11 AM »

You know what the sad thing is? This movie will probably be on top of the box office when it's released.

Tuxedo Mark · « **Reply #9 on:** November 16, 2011, 10:51:00 AM »

Quote from: Jabroniville on November 16, 2011, 02:48:50 AM

I think it's more to appeal to dorks that are REALLY into the "Sexy girls who kill people" genre.

Count me as one of those dorks.

Biollante · « **Reply #10 on:** November 16, 2011, 11:45:16 AM »

Quote from: Jabroniville on November 16, 2011, 02:48:50 AM

Quote from: Ghidra on November 13, 2011, 06:48:01 PM
As for the trailer, I hate how it has to have the music to Dark Knight playing to it. So generic at this point.

Quote
Argh! Now, this misquote is going to get even MORE widespread! It's "MAGIC mirror on the wall"!

I think Disney is prepping a movie called "Mirror, Mirror" to come out around the same time as well. This is how Hollywood works. We're also going to have probably 5 different Wizard of Oz related movies come out around the same time in the next couple of years.

Really? Five Wizard of Oz movies? I've heard about plans for a "Wicked" movie (though I'm not sure how far it's gotten- Idina Menzel says "they say we are too old" about the original cast reprising their roles), but not about anything else. I know a movie got a limited-release not too long ago (Christopher Lloyd and AL SNOW of all people were in it) about Oz stuff, but not about anything else.

But yeah, updating old fairy tales with EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEME re-makes is a silly idea. Is it even a feminist thing? I think it's more to appeal to dorks that are REALLY into the "Sexy girls who kill people" genre. And fans of "Thor" and the modern type of "epic violent fantasy" genre.

And yeah, KRISTIN "blank-face" STEWART is supposed to be as hot as Charlize Theron at ANY point? Get outta here with that nonsense. Beavis & Butt-head are right- the girl's a dang zombie. I'm pretty sure Theron could be dead and decayed for 10 years and still be a little hotter than Stewart. I have no idea who this Lily Collins is (from the OTHER "Snow White" movie), but she's better looking than Stewart (who is downright plain) too.

Reasons why this is being aimed at females:

1. Bella cast as the lead. Obviously an attempt to appeal to the Twilight crowd. I don't see any other justification for this casting at all.
2. It's piggy backing off of the success of Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland, which was huge with female audiences.
3. The inclusion of Thor as obvious female-aimed eye candy.
4. The fact it's Snow White means it has a built in female audience from the Disney film and Snow White's status as a popular female character.

Obviously, they're also going for crossover appeal to male audiences, thus the Dark Knight ripoff trailer and other board room developed bastardizations that made their way into this film.

And actually I exaggerated. There's only three Hollywood Wizard of Oz movies coming, but still that's a lot for a property that was dormant since the failure of the cool but misunderstood, Return to Oz (if you ignore direct to video junk). One of them is being made by Sam Raimi. They're getting made for the same reason this film was made, Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland made a lot of money.

Jabroniville · « **Reply #11 on:** November 17, 2011, 02:29:35 AM »

Yeah, it definitely feels like a "Crossover appeal" movie. I didn't realize this was following the heels of "Alice" (kinda forgot about that movie), or that it was popular with girls. Lord knows, this will probably be destined to be a huge smash, thus annoying me

.

Biollante · « **Reply #12 on:** November 17, 2011, 03:05:11 AM »

Quote from: Jabroniville on November 17, 2011, 02:29:35 AM

Yeah, it definitely feels like a "Crossover appeal" movie. I didn't realize this was following the heels of "Alice" (kinda forgot about that movie), or that it was popular with girls. Lord knows, this will probably be destined to be a huge smash, thus annoying me .

I actually don't predict this to happen. I think it will get ravaged by critics and then negative word of mouth will help doom it. Agree with them or not, I can't see this going over well. It's a Snow White movie without dwarfs and pretty much without Snow White. I predict Charlize Theron will get praised, but that may be it. I mean just look at this poster, does this even say "Snow White" to you:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8f/Snow_White_and_the_Huntsman_Poster.jpg/220px-Snow_White_and_the_Huntsman_Poster.jpg

The successful formula for Alice wasn't applied here. Yeah, it has that adult, creepy vibe, but that was already inherent in the source material. They didn't have to change it in preposterous ways to make it adult. The same thing goes for the Wizard of Oz. It could have also been done for this movie, since Snow White is already very creepy and dark, but some where along the way the stupid train started rolling down the tracks with people thinking they could radically alter something as iconic as Snow White.

Jabroniville · « **Reply #13 on:** November 17, 2011, 05:28:43 AM »

Well, a critical savaging has certainly failed to derail ANOTHER Kristin Stewart project, but I hope you're right

.

"Dorothy of Oz" actually looks a bit interesting, if only for a good cast. OK, Jim Belushi is The Lameness, but Megan Hilty, Kelsey Grammar & Patrick Stewart are GREAT additions to any cast. It'll be funny seeing Hilty play opposite someone ELSE as Glinda, since she was the original standby for Kristin Chenoweth on Broadway's "Wicked".

I'm no "Oz" buff, but I do find it odd that Hollywood essentially only made a handful of "Oz" movies, considering that the book series went on a LONG time, and there are dozens of sequels that could be made. I mean, it's not as if Hollywood hasn't ALWAYS been into remakes and sequels and stuff- I'm a lot more forgiving of that than most (however bad some remakes turn out), since that's been a part of the business from the beginning.

Biollante · « **Reply #14 on:** November 17, 2011, 12:55:54 PM »

Quote from: Jabroniville on November 17, 2011, 05:28:43 AM

Well, a critical savaging has certainly failed to derail ANOTHER Kristin Stewart project, but I hope you're right .

"Dorothy of Oz" actually looks a bit interesting, if only for a good cast. OK, Jim Belushi is The Lameness, but Megan Hilty, Kelsey Grammar & Patrick Stewart are GREAT additions to any cast. It'll be funny seeing Hilty play opposite someone ELSE as Glinda, since she was the original standby for Kristin Chenoweth on Broadway's "Wicked".

I'm no "Oz" buff, but I do find it odd that Hollywood essentially only made a handful of "Oz" movies, considering that the book series went on a LONG time, and there are dozens of sequels that could be made. I mean, it's not as if Hollywood hasn't ALWAYS been into remakes and sequels and stuff- I'm a lot more forgiving of that than most (however bad some remakes turn out), since that's been a part of the business from the beginning.

Well, part of the reason is Walt Disney bought the rights and pretty much sat on it until they released Return to Oz (which is an awesome film, and hopefully gets the bluray treatment soon). Those rights expired at the end of the 80's due to the fact the copyrights expired due to time restraints.

I don't know why there wasn't much movement over the next 20 years, but I assume the financial failure of Return to Oz, and Hollywood being concerned with milking other trends to death had something to do with it. People also kind of have an idea in their mind that a Wizard of Oz movie has to be like the Judy Garland film, which is very restraining. I also find that unfortunate, considering there is other interesting and creepy ground to cover in the Frank Baum novels.

News:

User Info

Random Image

whereareyou102

Search

Recent Topics

Shoutbox

Author Topic: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead) (Read 541 times)

Biollante

So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

Tuxedo Mark

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

Biollante

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

aamrun

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

NineZero09

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

Biollante

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

aamrun

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

Jabroniville

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

PTF

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

Tuxedo Mark

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

Biollante

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

Jabroniville

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

Biollante

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

Jabroniville

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

Biollante

Re: So Snow White Is an Armored Warrior Now (Warning: Strong Opinions Ahead)

Related Topics