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Author Topic: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff  (Read 575 times)

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Offline Jabroniville

Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« on: January 31, 2012, 04:12:42 PM »
Someone redesigned all the characters for a weird "updated" look: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/12/29/jem-fashion/

It still looks hyper-retro, and I'm not a fan of the "partially-shaved-head" look, but it's some pretty neat stuff. Rio looks like a member of Duran Duran. The Pizzazz design is AWESOME, and Raya & Aja look the best out of the Holograms. Even Shana is an improvement- her '80s design was the worst of the show. Actually, the entire "Misfits" set is completely phenomenal.

And also mentions the ten CRAZIEST episodes of the entire series: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/01/31/best-jem-episodes/

Man, this show was weird. That big Full Series DVD set I got is fantastic. The Time Travel one probably WAS the nuttiest one ever- I mean, who invents a TIME MACHINE, and then uses it to harass a rival band?
« Last Edit: January 31, 2012, 04:18:39 PM by Jabroniville »
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Offline jdh417

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2012, 05:24:15 PM »
I've only ever seen one episode of Jem, and that was last year, late night on The Hub.  My only other exposure was a top 10 list on toplessrobot.com, detailing the Misfits worst crimes.  That top ten craziest list is awesome.  I really feel deprived that I didn't get to see this show in the 80's.  Thanks for sharing this.

Offline Captain Hero

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2012, 05:27:10 PM »
I didn't really watch the series much when it originally aired, but I always liked Stormer.

Offline Biollante

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2012, 06:07:30 PM »
I'm surprised that the redesigns don't suck, like they usually do with these kinds of blog posts.  They actually have a pretty cool underground 80's comic book look, which jives well with the fact Jem is from the 80's.  Still, I'm kind of nervous about someone else doing a new version of this show that messes it up.

Offline HarryLuceyFan

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2012, 08:19:19 PM »
I can't believe that the redesigns have even BIGGER hair than the originals  :o

Offline aamrun

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2012, 12:44:05 AM »
Hmmm, I remember watching this like probably 20 years ago. They had a computer called Synergy.

Offline Jabroniville

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2012, 02:38:05 AM »
I'm surprised that the redesigns don't suck, like they usually do with these kinds of blog posts.  They actually have a pretty cool underground 80's comic book look, which jives well with the fact Jem is from the 80's.  Still, I'm kind of nervous about someone else doing a new version of this show that messes it up.

Yeah, it'd be weird to see a re-do of "Jem". I mean, Transformers & G.I. Joe weren't wrapped up in their decade- "Jem" IS the Eighties. The whole decade is personified in that show. It's just so dated, but in an awesome way.

I'd still like to see it, just to get the name out there. And after all the bad Transformers & G.I. Joe updates I've seen (though "Beast Wars" was AAAAWWWWWESOMMMME), I don't think I could be so disappointed again, even it if was AWFUL.

But hey, maybe a new version could have an actual REASON for why Jerrica needs a secret identity :).
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Offline Biollante

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2012, 03:32:57 AM »
I'm surprised that the redesigns don't suck, like they usually do with these kinds of blog posts.  They actually have a pretty cool underground 80's comic book look, which jives well with the fact Jem is from the 80's.  Still, I'm kind of nervous about someone else doing a new version of this show that messes it up.

Yeah, it'd be weird to see a re-do of "Jem". I mean, Transformers & G.I. Joe weren't wrapped up in their decade- "Jem" IS the Eighties. The whole decade is personified in that show. It's just so dated, but in an awesome way.

I'd still like to see it, just to get the name out there. And after all the bad Transformers & G.I. Joe updates I've seen (though "Beast Wars" was AAAAWWWWWESOMMMME), I don't think I could be so disappointed again, even it if was AWFUL.

But hey, maybe a new version could have an actual REASON for why Jerrica needs a secret identity :).

Strangely, Jem to me feels less dated than the new stuff out now.  A lot of new cartoons I see are all based around this attempt at left field witty humor that is obviously influenced by ironic junk from the internet.  Adventure Time and Regular Show (despite the 80's references) are big examples of this.  However, Jem is just about characters and stories.  It's so refreshing to watch something without all that anti-4th wall junk in there.  So it sort of has more staying power from my perspective.

But yeah, my main concerns are:

1.  The music industry has become a huge joke.  A lot of the basis and backbone of this show doesn't exist anymore.
2.  The characters of Jem have trademark over the top looks.  I'm sure the first thing some doofus overseeing a new version would do is tone it down until it's boring.  Sort of like how Wolverine lost his trademark hair and costume in the X-Men movie.

Edit:  And yeah, I just thought I would float this out there, but Jem is way better than Transfomers and G.I. Joe.  I've sat through a good deal of G1 episodes.  The show is kind of a mess.  G.I. Joe better, but not by huge amount.  Jem just blows it out the water based purely on the amount of character development, interesting plots, and probably even production values. 

I don't really think Transfomers equaled anything until the 86' movie, where they actually tried to put some substance in there.  It really annoys me though there is no Jem theatrical movie.  They should have done that instead of two MLP movies I think.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2012, 03:45:22 AM by Ghidra »

Offline jdh417

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2012, 05:01:53 PM »
If Jem was remade in the same fashion as the Thundercats have been, I think that would be a hit.  Think "Hannah Montanna," but more character driven and less obnoxious.  And definitely don't remake the Holograms as a teen band in high school.  (No doubt this warning comes too late.  Some producer is probably already out there is selling his teen Jem treatment to Disney.)

Offline Jabroniville

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2012, 01:11:38 AM »
I'd say it's a toss-up between Jem & G.I. Joe. Both were equally-goofy at times, but Joe had some GREAT episodes on occasion, and was generally funnier than Jem. I like the action on G.I. Joe, and Flint & Lady Jaye were a terrific romantic couple (much better than the poor Jem couples with their insane habits). Jem had some WEIRD morals to some of it's goofy episodes, too- Jem's THIRD identity (to prove Rio truly loved her, she seduced him a THIRD time), that time Minx joined them only for the group to lip on her for trying TOO hard, etc.

I liked Transformers as a kid, but in retrospect, it had worse animation, less continuity ("Hey Prime! Is this one of the episodes where we can fly?"), and suffered from "new toy syndrome" worse than either of the other shows. Jem only introduced a couple new characters and a car; the Joes intro'd a new cast in Season 2 that got major focus. With Transformers, it was like a new guy every other episode.

All three shows are pretty fun to laugh at, though. There is some WEIRD stuff coming out of the '80s. Though I am with Ghidra 100% on how cartoons today seem to all be written by the same "genre savvy" band of kids who watched all the old cartoons and now snidely make fun of them or just rip stuff off (calling it "homages"). There's hardly a cartoon on today that isn't some kind of parody version of something else, trying to do *wink wink* references for the adult audience as well.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2012, 04:35:14 AM by Jabroniville »
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Offline PTF

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2012, 06:18:34 PM »
In Transformers defense, the third season was actually pretty good because of the focus on a select core of characters, Rodimus was way more interesting as the autobots' leader (you know it's true, Prime fans!), and the animation really improved compared to the other seasons.

Just watched the Dweller in the Depths last night. That animation was amazing.

Offline Jabroniville

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2012, 07:54:23 AM »
"Transformers" was also the most AWESOME '80s cartoon by far- it had giant robots that turned into cars, jets, trains, DINOSAURS, and even six robots that turned into construction equipment that TURNED INTO A BIGGER ROBOT. Conceptually, none of the other cartoons could touch it.

Optimus & Megatron were defining heroes and villains, though. The grandeur and power they gave off was astonishing (by contrast, Duke was boring, and Cobra Commander was cowardly). Rodimus was an interesting character in that he was underconfident and a screw-up, but he doesn't hold a candle to Prime otherwise.

The Transformers Movie is still the best thing to come out of '80s cartoons, but the show itself was a bit weaker thanks to screwy animation and New-Toy-Syndrome. The G.I. Joe comic book line is a close second, though- Larry Hama made MAGIC.
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Offline Biollante

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2012, 08:43:12 AM »
The concepts behind Transformers and some of the characters are cool, but a lot of the execution is terrible.  I think the only really coherent Season 1 and 2 episodes are probably the pilot, where they were kind of forced not to make it crap.  In fact, I can't even remember Prime and Megatron duking it out other than in the pilot and the movie.

The rest of the episodes, you might get some cool moments with Starscream or Soundwave, but you'd also have to contend with *insert one of the rotating cast of 36 different Autobots* stealing all the airtime.  I mean, yes, lets give Smokescreen, Powerglide, etc. entire episodes, and then never give them a speaking role again.  Great way to make a quality serial right there.

The plots in general were just over all horrendous.  G1 fans pretty much have selective memory I think and just focus on the good things that weren't actually done all that well in the first place.  It's almost like they praise it on the potential it could have been great.  Like I said, they didn't even try that hard until the film.  The only good thing about Season 1 and 2 that approached anything like "story telling" was Starscream's storyline, which concluded in the film, but that's such a small part of what the show was.

I also think Optimus Prime is a bore.  Rodimus is slightly more real.  But Optimus Prime has the over the top manly hero voice acting and Superman type branding, so he's the default whether you like it or not.  The best thing Prime did was die.  No joke.  Once that happened, it was like a breath of fresh air into the narrative.  lol

If you want to go by actual quality, I don't think Transformers is in like the top ten 80's TV cartoons.  Even stuff like the Ghost Busters cartoon was a lot better I think.

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All three shows are pretty fun to laugh at, though. There is some WEIRD stuff coming out of the '80s. Though I am with Ghidra 100% on how cartoons today seem to all be written by the same "genre savvy" band of kids who watched all the old cartoons and now snidely make fun of them or just rip stuff off (calling it "homages"). There's hardly a cartoon on today that isn't some kind of parody version of something else, trying to do *wink wink* references for the adult audience as well.

Yeah, it's all very asinine.  It's almost like cartoons that take their selves seriously don't exist anymore.  It's gotten to the point where the "action cartoon" has gone the way of the dinsaur.  We only get like quasi-action shows where there's no actual danger facing the heroes, because in the end, it's all supposed to be tongue in cheek anyways.  That was kind of interesting when it was new like when the Powerpuff Girls did similar junk.  However, now every cartoon out is like that, and it sucks.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2012, 09:06:56 AM by Ghidra »

Offline PTF

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2012, 02:54:54 PM »
"Transformers" was also the most AWESOME '80s cartoon by far- it had giant robots that turned into cars, jets, trains, DINOSAURS, and even six robots that turned into construction equipment that TURNED INTO A BIGGER ROBOT. Conceptually, none of the other cartoons could touch it.

Optimus & Megatron were defining heroes and villains, though. The grandeur and power they gave off was astonishing (by contrast, Duke was boring, and Cobra Commander was cowardly). Rodimus was an interesting character in that he was underconfident and a screw-up, but he doesn't hold a candle to Prime otherwise.

The Transformers Movie is still the best thing to come out of '80s cartoons, but the show itself was a bit weaker thanks to screwy animation and New-Toy-Syndrome. The G.I. Joe comic book line is a close second, though- Larry Hama made MAGIC.

Prime was boring. He just wasn't that much fun for me. Rodimus was great in that--he was just a guy who was an underachiever who would rather just drive around and hang out, who then gets thrust into the role of leader by fate and destiny and now has to live in the shadow of the greatest Autobot leader. That's a pretty big jump.

One of my top ten episodes is "Burden To Bear" where the opening shows all that Rodimus has to do: He has to organize ground and air attacks, he has to watch out for humans, prepare for future attacks, and he has to deal with humans who would prefer it if giant robots didn't blow up their buildings. Plus he had to be a peace keeper across space. That's a lot for a former slacker to deal with. :)

So I agree with Ghidra that Prime dying was great because it created this space for other characters. It's like in the new Ultimate X-Men series where the creator was glad that Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine, and Cyclops were dead. Just new ground to explore with new pioneers.

I like Prime and Megatron...but it was basically Prime is good and always wins against the odds, Megatron is evil, possibly slaps around Starscream a bit, but then retreats like a typical WWE heel. The Beast War versions are my personal favorites. BW Prime had to deal with way more conflicts and catastrophes and he also had to deal with the best version of Megatron. BW Megatron actually won, had the advantage throughout the run and even killed Prime.

I'm not saying anything bad, but it's like they're salt and pepper. Yeah, you put them in most anything, but a few different other spices and ingredients makes the soup better.


And yeah...you had some bad animation. I got the Defenders of the Earth and for a description for the episode, they pretty much admited that this episode was animated horribly. :)

And I remember The Traitor two parter in GI JOE that had pretty good animation for nearly all of it...until the last few minutes where it just go weird and ugly looking. :)

Offline Jabroniville

Re: Some fun "Jem and the Holograms" stuff
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2012, 03:34:04 AM »
Hm, speaking of good current-day cartoons that AREN'T just tongue-in-cheek, "Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes" is pretty good. It's not up to "Justice League" standards yet, but it's a good old-fashioned comic book-style TV show.
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