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Offline Tuxedo Mark

Television is becoming a wasteland
« on: April 14, 2011, 08:32:16 PM »
ABC announced today that it's cancelling "All My Children" and "One Live to Live" and replacing them with food/health shows.

Now, I don't care about soap operas, but my mom watches AMC.

ABC is also cancelling "No Ordinary Family" (no announcement yet, but Michael Chiklis is starring in some new pilot for the Fall), one of the most refreshing new sci-fi series on TV.

"Smallville" is ending on May 13.

So, as someone that avoids the cops/docs/lawyers ilk, what's left for me to watch? I'll be watching "Wonder Woman" on NBC for as long as it lasts. If "V" is renewed, I might start watching it for Supergirl, er, Laura Vandervoort. There's not much else. It seems like I'll have more time to get caught up on my huge backlog of sci-fi/fantasy/anime DVDs.




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Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2011, 10:28:13 PM »
Soap operas are becoming extinct.  There's only four that will be left.  "Days Of Our Lives", "General Hospital", "The Bold And The Beautiful", and "The Young And The Restless".  Back in the 1980's, I think there were at least a dozen.

But to replace them with talk shows?  Gosh, are we really that dumb an audience?
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Offline Jabroniville

Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2011, 10:48:53 PM »
I stopped watching most TV a long time ago- even sitcoms are dying out. Most are terrible or generic (then again, they ALWAYS were, but for the few shining lights- the '90s were a great source of sitcoms), but I still watch "The Office" on DVD, and "South Park" when it's on. I just deal with the classics on DVD that way- "Oz", "Pushing Daisies", "G.I. Joe", plus stuff that's on syndication like "King of the Hill", "Futurama", etc.

I never watched any of the shows being cancelled- no a soap fan and I always HATED "Smallville" (I can't believe it lasted this long), so I'm otherwise unaffected.
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Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2011, 11:52:32 AM »
There are still some good sitcoms on TV.

My family and I regularly watch "Raising Hope", "The Middle", "Modern Family" and "The Big Bang Theory". "How I Met Your Mother" is also good, but I'm not as big a fan of that one.
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Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2011, 12:09:11 PM »
I gave up on sitcoms a long time ago. I don't even remember the last one that I watched.

I've gravitated more towards the fantasy/sci-fi stuff, because it's larger than life, so I feel it's more worthy of my time. For real-life stuff, I watch "World News" on ABC; I don't need to see fictional cops, lawyers, or doctors, because I might become attached to the cute-girl-of-the-week, and then she gets killed or arrested or whatever; so depressing.




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Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2011, 08:43:57 PM »
Mark, I gave up on TV awhile ago.  There are a few shows that I try to remember to watch - Big Bang, Criminal Minds and Batman Brave and the Bold.  They moved Big Bang so I miss it all the time now.  Batman B&B have changed times twice which makes me miss it now half the time.  Criminal Minds killed off a favorite character of mine so now I don't care if I miss it.

Regularly fun show for me are those auction shows or American pickers.  I like watching Mythbuster except not too often as that girl annoys me.  Most of the time I turn on the TV and it's off within a few minutes.  That is why I like TV on  DVD so much.  Just pop in a disc.

Offline B-ko Daitokuji

Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 01:50:11 AM »
Well there is My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic.  LOLz.

Honestly, I haven't watched the regular broadcast television channels for well over a decade.  I may occasionally watch Craig Fergesson but that's about it.

Also watch TNA: Impact religiously.  Reminds me of what wrestling was like before Vince McMahon tried to kill it with soap opera screenwriters ironically.

Other shows I watched in the past year:  Top Chef All Stars, Totally Spies Season 5, Josie and the Pussycats re-runs, Jabber Jaw re-runs, Iron Chef Japan re-runs.  And yeah, I think that's about it.  Everything else I watch on DVD or Blu-ray.

The major networks have been dead to me for a long time I think.  Like circa the X-Files being canceled before I was allowed to vote.  All I see now is pointless reality tv shows and sitcom rehashes I wouldn't touch with a 12 foot pole.


Offline Jabroniville

Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2011, 11:43:56 PM »
Funny you should mention TNA, J-Syxx- I used to watch that, before Vince Russo & co. turned it into what WWE was like during the "Attitude Era" and all the soap opera stuff, only less well-written. Are they still wasting Samoa Joe over there? At least they finally got rid of Grampa Nash. Now if only Jeff "Drug Addict" Hardy would leave.
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Offline B-ko Daitokuji

Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2011, 02:26:04 AM »
Funny you should mention TNA, J-Syxx- I used to watch that, before Vince Russo & co. turned it into what WWE was like during the "Attitude Era" and all the soap opera stuff, only less well-written. Are they still wasting Samoa Joe over there? At least they finally got rid of Grampa Nash. Now if only Jeff "Drug Addict" Hardy would leave.

Honestly, TNA wasn't that good from an angle standpoint before Russo.  It was great from a work-rate standpoint, but the show as a whole just didn't gel together.

I kind of have an alternative view of Vince Russo.  A lot of smarks hate him, but all I know is that the quality of WWE's shows dropped as soon as he left and they have never recovered.  I'm actually enjoying the current Immortal storyline a lot.  It's a storyline for wrestling nerds, and I appreciate that versus WWE's constant revisionist history.  It's also a long but unpredictable angle, which is exciting to see in wrestling again.

People may be mad about Samoa Joe being in the midcard, but honestly my favorite wrestlers, like Bret Hart and Owen Hart, spent far longer in the midcard.  I really don't feel sorry for him even if I mark out for him.  I'm sure he'll get another shot at the main event eventually.  The feud with the Pope is putting him over again.

And I liked Jeff as a heel during his last title run.  I think he's one of those wrestlers that really suffered from face fatigue.  WWE has had problems with not turning faces heel when it was time, at least last I watched it, and it has made certain workers very annoying to watch.
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Offline Jabroniville

Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2011, 07:00:47 PM »
True dat on the latter point- John Cena needs a heel turn so bad it's not even funny. I don't care how much merchandise he sells, his character is boring, and the business is in the toilet.

I disagree that things got bad right after Russo left- the post-Russo year or so was compelling TV with some good writers, but once Stephanie McMahon took total power, things started getting bad. I found wrestling to start to become boring right around the time she & Triple-H became "open" about their relationship in real life, and she turned on Kurt Angle on PPV. The fans were INTO that HHH/Angle story, and they ruined it by having Steph go back to HHH, just like before. The InVasion was the last nail in the coffin, and the company never came back from it.
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Offline B-ko Daitokuji

Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2011, 11:37:35 PM »
True dat on the latter point- John Cena needs a heel turn so bad it's not even funny. I don't care how much merchandise he sells, his character is boring, and the business is in the toilet.

I disagree that things got bad right after Russo left- the post-Russo year or so was compelling TV with some good writers, but once Stephanie McMahon took total power, things started getting bad. I found wrestling to start to become boring right around the time she & Triple-H became "open" about their relationship in real life, and she turned on Kurt Angle on PPV. The fans were INTO that HHH/Angle story, and they ruined it by having Steph go back to HHH, just like before. The InVasion was the last nail in the coffin, and the company never came back from it.

I don't know.  To me WWE was at its height and the most cutting edge during 1996-1999.  These were the Russo years.  This is when you had Stone Cold and the Rock ascend to stardom.  And plenty of other extremely interesting and successful storylines like Bret Hart turning heel and DX.  In 2000, after Russo was gone, it suddenly became a lot more generic to me.  It was almost like it was subsisting on fumes from the Rock and Stone Cold's heat.  I remembered thinking this a while before Stephanie took over, when yeah things got even worse.  You probalby had some great matches in there no doubt, but that was the turning point for me.  You may end up with some great wrestlers after that, like Eddie Guerrero and Kurt Angle, but on a whole it was sliding in quality.  I also blame this on midiocre farmed talent being introduced from OVW and the other WWE "developmental territories" instead of past mainstays like WCW, ECW, Stampede, AWA, etc. but that's more on the work-rate side of things.

And I don't think it was just the nWo storyline that was bad, but the whole WCW Invasion thing was mishandled immensely.  This could have been the biggest storyline in wrestling history, but I think Vince's ego got in the way.

I think it could be argued that the differences between WWE and WCW were that Russo was given too much power over the book, but in general he's a much better writer than the generic hollywood/tv people who can't write wrestling like wrestling that had become mainstays in the WWE during the 2000's


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Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2011, 03:31:48 PM »
Here's a review of Smallville I found on another site- edited for language.

And so Smallville is over after 10 long years and 217 episodes (IN  YOUR FACE, STARGATE!), and now it's time to reflect.  Yargh, there be spoilers.


It took us ten years to get here and we didn't even get to see Tom Welling in the full Superman suit.  And yet, that's somehow okay.  It's not as if we don't know what Superman looks like.  And if you must see it, there's plenty of photochops out there that should give you an idea.

Ten long years, with more episodes then the Adventures of Superman or Lois & Clark combined.  Every major Superman villain, and some minor villains as well showed up, along with various heroes.  Hell, last week you could see Captain Cold and Solomon Grundy just hanging around in a background shot.  Just to show that they exist!  It was a nice touch.

I can't blame people who gave up on Smallville after the first season.  It was such a blatant rip-off of Buffy the Vampire Slayer that they could have called it Clark the Kryptofreak Killer.  Oh and let's not forget season four with Lana possessed by a witch.  Or season eight that featured the Incredible Hulk dressed as Doomsday and one of the worst season finales in history.

But Smallville is one of those rare shows that jumped the shark (in fact, more then once) and then turned around an apologized for it.  Fans wrote off season eight as the end, and yet season nine's Zod storyline was the strongest of the entire series.  Bringing Darkseid in seemed insane, but they made it work by not having him show up until the very end, instead having Granny Goodness (played by the chick who was Dolores Herbig on Dead Like Me, and it totally worked), Desaad, and Gordon Godfrey doing his dirty work.

Cast left.  By season 10 the only regular from the early seasons still in the opening credits was Tom Welling himself.  Yet the cast was always really strong for this type of show.  James Marsters owns the role of Brainiac (even if they never painted him green).  Callum Blue (another Dead Like Me alumni) actually proved very sinister in the role of Zod.  Michael Rosenbaum didn't quite have the charm of John Shea's Lex Luthor but he certainly had a bit of scariness to him that the role required, even in the early seasons.

As far as Tom Welling, I don't get the hate at all.  Has anyone really been THAT GOOD as Superman?  I actually hated Christopher Reeve's version of Supes.  He was boring.  Dean Cain and George Reeves easily topped him.  Reeves had that wholesome goodness about him and a warm personality while still coming off as brave and heroic.  Dean Cain worked better as Clark Kent because he played it totally natural, the way it should be, where Clark is the person and Superman is the disguise.  As Superman, he was more then acceptable.  Overall, both guys seemed like fun dudes to hang out with.  On the flip side, if you were trapped in a room with Christopher Reeve's Clark or Superman you would likely blow your own brains out to escape the room because it's quicker then making your way to the door.

So you have Tom Welling as the boy of steel.  By the way, he's currently six years older then Henry Cavill, the man who will be playing Superman in the almost-certain-to-be-awful Man of Steel. If Zack Snyder hasn't made a good movie yet I don't see any reason for him to start now.  Anywho, Welling has been hit or miss, mostly because his version of Superman is a bit of a wussy.  But he's played the whiner of tomorrow with a great deal of charm.  Plus he's pretty ****ing awesome when he's on Red Kryptonite.

Oh, and Kristen Kreuk as Lana can drop ****ing dead.  I can't tell you how many times I was wishful that Clark would slap on some Red K and hurl her rear end into the sun.  It would have solved over 90% of the problems during the first six seasons.  And his dad would have still been alive.  As far as the talentless Kreuk, she was going to become a real star and had to get out of the show ASAP so she could play Chun Li in the worst movie in cinematic history.  She was the one person they didn't bother reaching out to for a finale cameo and was very much not missed.  Had to sting a bit.

So the casting wasn't always perfect.  Not everyone can forever own the role like Justin Hartley will for Oliver Queen.  Some of the choices were really messsed up, like having Kyle Gallner as the Flash.  That teeny tiny little twit who raped Veronica Mars as Bart Allen?  Insanity!  It would be like casting me to play Batman.  And let's not forget American Idol reject Alan Ritchson as Aquaman, only slightly less worthless then in the comic books but now with the added bonus of crappy acting.

And then there were missed opportunities.  When I heard Jackie freaking Chiles from Seinfeld was playing Martian Manhunter, I thought it sounded awful.  But he worked awesome in the role.  Then they only used him nine times.  He was referenced a ton, but only showed up once after the awesome Absolute Justice (screw the haters, that was awesome!).  Same deal with most of the Justice Leaguers.  Only Green Arrow remained a series regular which shows how much faith DC comics has in his future.

Of course the biggest argument against Smallville is that it screws with the Superman canon, something that should never, ever, ever, ever be done.  Period (note: This part comes with links to the various comic bok stories that have done example that).  Seriously, Superman is an evolving story.  At one point he couldn't even fly and his powers came from Earth having less gravity then Krypton.  So you Canontards can screw off.  Last I checked Superman didn't have the power to reverse time or make a giant plastic-wrap S out of nothingness and yet the two beloved chapters in the Christopher Reeve series of boring crap  did just that.

Smallville wasn't always perfect, but neither is the source material.  There's been some really awful Superman stories.  The Death of Clark Kent, anyone?  Electro-Superman?  Superman Red & Blue?  Millennium Giants?  Hell, how about Superman Returns?  How about Superboy the Series?  Superman 64.

Smallville worked because the story evolved as much as Superman has over the years.  Freak of the Week storylines still showed up, but they became fewer and further between.  People accuse the various DC cameos as a shameless fan service, but so what?  What's wrong with that?  Maybe that's all Superman fans want.  Isn't ANY non-comic version of Superman a fan service?  I remind people that Lois & Clark rarely had characters outside of Lex Luthor and Intergang show up.  The Prankster was there but he was played by Cousin Balki from Perfect Strangers and that kind of ruined it.  They also had General Zod show up at the start of season four, only they called him Lord Nor and he was a bit of a pansy.  Most of the DC stuff that was used in Smallville were more then acceptable live-versions of comic book characters.  They usually had the correct names too, although Dean Cain's cameo as Vandal Savage was for some reason named Curtis Knox.  That was kind of lame.

But overall, there was a lot to love about Smallville.  For a show where you knew exactly where the main characters would show up, it kept me guessing for ten long years.  What would turn Lex bad?  How will Superman function once he's all grown up and all his mortal enemies are already dead?  Will Chloe die?  Raise your hand if you figured Chloe was scheduled to die in every single finale since season 1.

So I'll miss Smallville.  It overstayed it's welcome by a few years, but in the end it proved why it was welcome in the first place.  And the finale was simply awesome.  Darkseid was Darkseid, and not some weird facsimile like Doomsday was.  They didn't cheap out at all. APOKOLIPS SHOWED UP!  Talk about a mark out moment.  Yea, they cheaped out by having Aaron Ashmore show up as Jimmy once more, and presumably not Henry James Olson this time.  What a copout that was.

But it's a time for love and reflection and they couldn't have done a more perfect ending to the series.  Some people will scoff at that but really, what more could you want?  Clark saved the day and accepted his legacy as Superman.  Lex is back and in love with the idea of being evil.  That's pretty much how it had to end all along.  All we have to look forward to now is seeing if the awesomeness of Christopher Nolan can overcome the overwhelming crappiness of Zack Snyder.

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Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2011, 04:43:19 PM »
Why do people hate Zack Snyder so much? :(
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Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2011, 06:41:59 PM »
Why do people hate Zack Snyder so much? :(

Beats me. "Watchmen" was awesome.

And I disagree quite a bit with that article. Kristin Kreuk's Lana Lang has always been and will always be my favorite "Smallville" character (okay, maaaybe tied with Lara Vandervoort's Kara).

Also, the finale disappointed on so many levels. The more that I think about it, the less that I like it.

Yeah, Clark became Superman, but we saw no close-ups of him in the suit, just facial shots with the cape visible behind him and far-away CGI shots. Lame.

Going back to last week's "Prophecy", Lois broke up with Clark under the warped logic that, the more time that he's with her, the less opportunities that he has to save people. So they can't get married. Never mind that they see each other at work every day, and they freakin' live together already (heck, Clark sold the farm and moved in with Lois in Metropolis to make her happy). The finale resolved the break-up in around the first half-hour, but that's a resolution that shouldn't have had to occur in the first place.

They go through the entire wedding only for it to be interrupted by a fight before it can conclude. What a waste.

We see Jonathan Kent appear as a ghost and conversing with Clark throughout the episode. This happened once for a brief scene earlier in the season, and it was weird enough back then for Clark to immediately accept it, but it's downright ludicrous here, and it's explained away by Martha basically saying "He'll always be with us. We just have to listen."

Tess Mercer is murdered by Lex, which is bad enough (I loved her), but what's worse is the way that it's handled. Early in the episode, she's kidnapped by Lionel Luthor. She manages to kick the collective butts of her kidnappers, and she freakin' shoots Lionel before she escapes. Hardcore. Later, Lex informs Clark (who asks about Tess) that she's fine, and he doesn't need to worry about her. That lured me into a false sense of security. When Tess showed up at Luthorcorp to see if Lex is alive, I thought "Aw, crap". They hug and say they love each other. Then he stabs her in the back and out her chest. Crap, crap, crap. If she'd just STAYED AWAY and, I dunno, manned Watchtower or something, she would have survived the series. Then the fact that she isn't referenced at all by any of the characters for the last, what, 16 minutes of the series adds insult to injury. The only "good" thing that came out of it was she managed to do some mindwipe thing to Lex right before being stabbed, and it took effect right after she died, so Lex has no memory of the past 10 years and, of course, won't recognize Superman as Clark. And he seemed so darn calm about it.

Going back to last week's "Prophecy" again for a moment, Jor-El randomly tells Kara that her destiny is in "another place and time", and Clark must find his own destiny here. She can either leave and let Clark find his destiny or stay and doom the human race? WTF?!?!?! So she puts on the Legion ring and goes to the future (I guess). Judging by how easily that Superman defeated Darkseid in "Finale" (he just flies up and pushes the planet Apokalyps away; yes, a planet closes in on Earth and doesn't manage to destroy it; stupid!), it's clear that Supergirl could have immediately done it, and the only reason that she was sent away was to not overshadow Superman's debut. Oh, and to placate continuity-masturbating fanboys.

They skip ahead 7 years to 2018 for the last few minutes to show what became of everyone. Chloe and Oliver Queen have a son, and she reads a "Smallville" comic book to him as a bedtime story. That's just...nonsensical.

The bulk of the 2018 segment occurs at the Daily Planet. Lois and Clark are behaving all business-like with each other in public, calling each other "Ms. Lane" and "Mr. Kent". Are they seriously trying to convince everyone that they have no personal feelings for each other, when most of the Daily Planet staff knew they were engaged just 7 years earlier?!

There's a headline on a computer or TV screen that Lex Luthor has been elected President...in 2018. Yeah. The writers are retards.

Oh, and get this. Lois and Clark still haven't gotten married. Apparently, they're about to (what? at the Daily Planet in the middle of a busy news day?! and, if so, then why the public cover-up?), but then there's a report of some emergency, and Clark dashes to the roof (with the John Williams music playing), takes off his glasses, and runs while pulling open his shirt, revealing the S underneath. The end. So...what? Is this meant to be a "running gag" that Lois and Clark's wedding plans have been continuously interrupted for SEVEN YEARS?!




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Re: Television is becoming a wasteland
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2011, 12:46:35 AM »
Watchmen was a better movie than the Dark Knight.  Really, I like Nolan, but his reputation has reached extreme levels of exaggeration.  Hes good, but he isn't god.  I honestly think Batman Begins didn't work that well as a cohesive movie.  Inception was good, but it borrowed a lot from Paprika and Blade Runner.  Not that that's a bad thing, but his film is as much of a pastiche as anything else.  He could also work on adding some of the noir back to Batman.  I'm tired of Gotham City looking exactly like Chicago.


 

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