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DeCarlo Rules

#225
Quote from: irishmoxie on May 04, 2016, 11:18:42 PM
reading some She's Josie stories from the early issues of the World of Archie digests. I didn't realize they reprinted almost complete issues of She's Josie in each digest sort of in order. They could easily put out an anthology of these, even digitally.

I remember when we had the thread on DE collections I listed the contents of the SHE'S JOSIE digital exclusive collection. That reprints all the Josie stories (because the early ones were issue-long stories) from She's Josie # 1, 8, 9, 10, and 13. Wouldn't surprise me too much to find out they'd all been reprinted earlier in issues of WOADD. Do you find any stories from issues #2-7, 11 or 12 in those early World of Archie digests?

Here's that listing again -

She's JOSIE: Before the Pussycats
    124 pages        Dec. 2013

1-I    "A Gym Dandy"    8    JOSIE #1    Feb. 1963    Josie and Pepper try to get Alex to exercise.
1-II    "Neat Workers"    6    JOSIE #1    Feb. 1963    Josie's dad tells her to clean out the garage.
1-III    "Muscle Hustle"    5    JOSIE #1    Feb. 1963    Josie and Pepper are still trying to get the boys to exercise.
1-IV    "Track Down"    6    JOSIE #1    Feb. 1963    Melody succeeds where Josie failed.
                   
2-I    "The Unhappy Hero"    8    JOSIE #8    Sept. 1964    Alexander inadvertently saves Albert's life.
2-II    "Saved By The Belle"    6    JOSIE #8    Sept. 1964    Alex tries to escape from Albert with Josie.
2-III    "And Away We Go"    5    JOSIE #8    Sept. 1964    At the beach, Albert follows Alex everywhere.
2-IV    "Happy Ending"    5    JOSIE #8    Sept. 1964    Alex just can't help being a hero.
                   
3-I    "You're The Tops"    8    JOSIE #9    Oct. 1964    The gang collect box tops to win a prize.
3-II    "A Run For Your Money"    6    JOSIE #9    Oct. 1964    At the World's Fair, Alex drops his wallet and tries to get it back.
3-III    "Fair Play"    5    JOSIE #9    Oct. 1964    The gang wastes the day trying to help Alex recover his wallet.
3-IV    "Cereal Story"    5    JOSIE #9    Oct. 1964    Filling a swimming pool with Crispy Crunchies pays off for the gang.
                   
4-I    "Team Spirit"    8    JOSIE #10    Dec. 1964    The girls want to help the school football team.
4-II    "No Help Wanted"    6    JOSIE #10    Dec. 1964    Melody recruits a new player - Jinx Malloy.
4-III    "Sideline Stars"    5    JOSIE #10    Dec. 1964    Melody becomes a cheerleader - for the opposing team.
4-IV    "The Last Man"    5    JOSIE #10    Dec. 1964    Coach is so desperate, he takes Albert off the bench.
                   
5-I    "The Schemers"    8    JOSIE #13    Jun. 1965    Albert and Alexandra conspire to break up Josie's date with Alex.
5-II    "The Dreamers"    6    JOSIE #13    Jun. 1965    Alexandra dons a rocket pack!
5-III    "Now You See It"    5    JOSIE #13    Jun. 1965    Melody has her eye on a new boy who needs glasses.
5-IV    "Now You Don't"    5    JOSIE #13    Jun. 1965    Melody enjoys being fought over.




DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: irishmoxie on May 05, 2016, 12:19:02 AM
Space Battle Lunchtime #1 - very cute adventure story. Reminds me a bit of Adventure Time and Monsters Inc. More of a taste than a complete story. Hopefully issue #2 is longer.

I will check that one out next week.

irishmoxie

#227
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 05, 2016, 04:12:44 AM
Quote from: irishmoxie on May 04, 2016, 11:18:42 PM
reading some She's Josie stories from the early issues of the World of Archie digests. I didn't realize they reprinted almost complete issues of She's Josie in each digest sort of in order. They could easily put out an anthology of these, even digitally.

I remember when we had the thread on DE collections I listed the contents of the SHE'S JOSIE digital exclusive collection. That reprints all the Josie stories (because the early ones were issue-long stories) from She's Josie # 1, 8, 9, 10, and 13. Wouldn't surprise me too much to find out they'd all been reprinted earlier in issues of WOADD. Do you find any stories from issues #2-7, 11 or 12 in those early World of Archie digests?

Here's that listing again -

She's JOSIE: Before the Pussycats
    124 pages        Dec. 2013

1-I    "A Gym Dandy"    8    JOSIE #1    Feb. 1963    Josie and Pepper try to get Alex to exercise.
1-II    "Neat Workers"    6    JOSIE #1    Feb. 1963    Josie's dad tells her to clean out the garage.
1-III    "Muscle Hustle"    5    JOSIE #1    Feb. 1963    Josie and Pepper are still trying to get the boys to exercise.
1-IV    "Track Down"    6    JOSIE #1    Feb. 1963    Melody succeeds where Josie failed.
                   
2-I    "The Unhappy Hero"    8    JOSIE #8    Sept. 1964    Alexander inadvertently saves Albert's life.
2-II    "Saved By The Belle"    6    JOSIE #8    Sept. 1964    Alex tries to escape from Albert with Josie.
2-III    "And Away We Go"    5    JOSIE #8    Sept. 1964    At the beach, Albert follows Alex everywhere.
2-IV    "Happy Ending"    5    JOSIE #8    Sept. 1964    Alex just can't help being a hero.
                   
3-I    "You're The Tops"    8    JOSIE #9    Oct. 1964    The gang collect box tops to win a prize.
3-II    "A Run For Your Money"    6    JOSIE #9    Oct. 1964    At the World's Fair, Alex drops his wallet and tries to get it back.
3-III    "Fair Play"    5    JOSIE #9    Oct. 1964    The gang wastes the day trying to help Alex recover his wallet.
3-IV    "Cereal Story"    5    JOSIE #9    Oct. 1964    Filling a swimming pool with Crispy Crunchies pays off for the gang.
                   
4-I    "Team Spirit"    8    JOSIE #10    Dec. 1964    The girls want to help the school football team.
4-II    "No Help Wanted"    6    JOSIE #10    Dec. 1964    Melody recruits a new player - Jinx Malloy.
4-III    "Sideline Stars"    5    JOSIE #10    Dec. 1964    Melody becomes a cheerleader - for the opposing team.
4-IV    "The Last Man"    5    JOSIE #10    Dec. 1964    Coach is so desperate, he takes Albert off the bench.
                   
5-I    "The Schemers"    8    JOSIE #13    Jun. 1965    Albert and Alexandra conspire to break up Josie's date with Alex.
5-II    "The Dreamers"    6    JOSIE #13    Jun. 1965    Alexandra dons a rocket pack!
5-III    "Now You See It"    5    JOSIE #13    Jun. 1965    Melody has her eye on a new boy who needs glasses.
5-IV    "Now You Don't"    5    JOSIE #13    Jun. 1965    Melody enjoys being fought over.


I'm adding these to comics.org as I go but so far I've read She's Josie issues #1, 2, 3, and 5 and they skip around like 1, 2, 5, 7, 3 or something like that in the early WOA digests. And they reprint pretty much the whole issue except some 1 pagers like Lil Jinx so you're not missing much. They even reprinted some of the fashion pages.

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: irishmoxie on May 05, 2016, 07:53:03 AM
I'm adding these to comics.org as I go but so far I've read She's Josie issues #1, 2, 3, and 5 and they skip around like 1, 2, 5, 7, 3 or something like that in the early WOA digests. And they reprint pretty much the whole issue except some 1 pagers like Lil Jinx so you're not missing much. They even reprinted some of the fashion pages.


Those early issues of She's Josie (at least the first 10, but maybe some beyond that) are unusual for Archie Comics (except the "Archie Adventure" line) of the early 1960s, in that they're issue-length stories, broken down into four chapters. In some of them, each chapter focuses on a different incident that happens on a given day, but it's clear that they're connected and should be read in order, unlike the typical Archie Comics of the time, which were merely anthologies of unrelated short stories. Other issues of JOSIE (like the World's Fair story in #9) are more like a cohesive epic, but even in that one, most of the actual action at the World's Fair happens in the middle 2 chapters, while chapters 1 and 4 are like short stories within a longer story; chapter 1 focuses entirely on the gang trying to collect cereal box tops to win a prize.


Occasionally, in a title like LIFE WITH ARCHIE, you might have a 13-page story broken down into two parts (or rarely, as many as four, filling the entire issue), but that may have been the only exception for titles featuring Archie (not LITTLE ARCHIE, where the extended story seemed to be the preferred format as well). But it's clear to me from reading JOSIE that the title was aimed at a slightly older audience than the average Archie comic book. That sort of thing went away -- I'm not clear on exactly when it disappeared, but by the time the Pussycats were introduced in #45, it was a thing of the past, and the individual stories within a JOSIE comic were unrelated to each other, like other Archie comic books.

DeCarlo Rules

#229
Today I read a couple of digests and some old Archie comics I found at my local comic shop the other day.

JUGHEAD & FRIENDS DIGEST #10 - A new lead story by Fernando Ruiz (love his Jughead stories) has Mr. Jones reading to Jughead from a book about their family history. Jughead is pretty dubious about the truth of what he tells him about those ancestors, though. One of his ancestors is Sir Jugalot (from JUGHEAD'S FANTASY #1) which was a neat touch, I thought. Fernando always seems to work those little bits of business into a story as sort of a little nugget for sharp-eyed readers in the know. The end of the story had Mrs. Jones cracking a joke which seems to confirm Jughead's suspicions about the veracity of Jonesy's claims about their ancestry.

Next I'm going to read #15, which has the new lead story "Souphead Du Jour" (another Fernando story). I love how he always works the old characters (like Souphead or Uncle Herman) into a story. Every issue of JUGHEAD & FRIENDS has a reprint section of THAT WILKIN BOY stories, which is always something I look forward to. Most of them have Rex Lindsey Jughead stories in them, as well, but #10 and #15 didn't. There's always a bunch of Samm Schwartz Jughead stories too (because there are so many to pick from) but the selection of those is usually pretty good. Occasionally, I'll even spot a Dan DeCarlo Jughead story in one of these digests. The Bingo Wilkin reprints and the new Fernando Ruiz Jughead stories are the main attractions here for me, and what motivated me to try to collect this entire series of 38 issues, but having a bunch of choice Rex Lindsey reprints sure doesn't hurt either.

BETTY AND VERONICA DOUBLE DIGEST #243 - This came in the mail today, and as soon as I got back from the mailbox, I sat down to read it. The first thing I noticed is that (like the last World of Archie digest I got) they seem to have done away with the title pages for the special character sections. This issue didn't have a title page for the Sabrina or Little Archie sections, and the last WOA digest didn't have a title page for the Life With Archie and Archie 1 sections. I sort of got used to having those, because they made those sections that much easier to find, but whatever, I guess. (I didn't count the pages, so I don't know if the loss of those title pages results in an extra story page being included instead, or if they were replaced by ads.)

One good thing is that the Sabrina section continues to reprint the excellent series of stories by Bill Golliher and Holly G. This issue reprints "Charm School" which introduces Lilith, a mean teenage witch (and also the daughter of Head Witch Enchantra) who's a rival for Sabrina as she begins attending Charm School. Sabrina's also reunited with her old friend Llandra (from South America; she's the daughter of a shaman) whom she first met when they were children attending 'Camp Nether-Nether Land'. Aunt Zelda (who's quite the cutie in this series of stories) is continuing her quest to find a suitable husband before the deadline of a year passes when she'll lose her powers, and in this story she gets cozy with Headmaster Headstone, who administers the Charm School. I sure wish this series of stories by Golliher and Holly G could have gone on for another 40 issues, instead of being replaced by the manga Sabrina (*sigh*). Zelda and Hilda next have a dating dilemma where they need to be in two places to double date - at the Charm School Reunion dance, and at a Greendale High Faculty Award Night, so they zap Sabrina and Salem into dopplegangers of themselves and send them to Greendale to double-date Sabrina's teacher Mr. Hastings and his twin brother Max (AWKWARD...!!) so that they can both go to the Charm School Reunion.

Oops, I need to backtrack and talk about the new lead story in this issue (SPOILERS -- DO NOT READ ON IF YOU DON'T WANT THE STORY RUINED), "Hooray For Bollywood!" - the latest (and what looks to be the final, for now anyway) chapter of "The Many Loves of Archie Andrews" featuring ARCHIE & AMISHA & RAJ (okay, it doesn't say "Raj", but guess who winds up stealing Archie's thunder in this story?). Archie is more gluttonous when it comes to girls than Jughead is when it comes to food. It's not enough that he's got BOTH Betty AND Veronica wrapped around his little finger, but he's got to supplement that with dating Valerie Smith, Sabrina Spellman, Amisha Mehta, Ginger Lopez, and every other hot girl who's ever appeared in a story more than twice?!? Geez, buddy, leave a few for the other guys!! Sheesh! (All right, what did I expect from a series titled "The Many Loves of Archie Andrews"... but I'd still rather see a series called "The Many Loves of Betty and Veronica"...) But Archie loses Amisha to Raj in this story... so YAY!! It might have helped Raj's image a little if he hadn't been portrayed in this story as so utterly clueless, but at least there was a happy ending. (Any story where Archie loses has a happy ending). Dan Parent does it again!! Okay, a bit spoilerish in a "Darth Vader is Luke's father??" sorta way, but you'll still have to read the story to see what actually happens. (I hope I didn't just ruin The Empire Strikes Back for someone there... but if you haven't seen it by now, it's your own fault.)

If you like Jeff Shultz's art on B&V stories (and who doesn't?), then you'll LOVE this digest. There are EIGHT of them in this issue, plus a few single-page gag strips by him. Plus of course a couple of Dan DeCarlo stories (and a classic Betty pin-up page), a couple of Dan Jr. and Jim DeCarlo stories, a few Dan Parent stories, and a few Stan Goldberg stories. (Plus a couple of Bob Bolling "Little Veronica" and "Little Betty" stories, if you're into that kinda thing.)

**********************************************************************
Now I'm too written-out to comment on the old Archie comics I read, so I'll just list them.

ARCHIE'S T.V. LAUGH-OUT #61 (Sept. 1978)

LAUGH #21 (June 1990)

SABRINA THE TEENAGE WITCH #28 (Oct. 1975)

SABRINA THE TEENAGE WITCH #57 (Dec. 1979)

BETTY AND VERONICA #66 (Aug. 1993)

LIFE WITH ARCHIE #195 (July 1978)

JUGHEAD #281 (Oct. 1978)

BettyReggie

Wow you write a lot, you don't get tired.

irishmoxie

Quote from: BettyReggie on May 05, 2016, 07:15:43 PM
Wow you write a lot, you don't get tired.

Maybe he has a dictophone but I suspect he's just a fast typist.

irishmoxie

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 05, 2016, 05:47:58 PMOops, I need to backtrack and talk about the new lead story in this issue (SPOILERS -- DO NOT READ ON IF YOU DON'T WANT THE STORY RUINED), "Hooray For Bollywood!"

**********************************************************************
Now I'm too written-out to comment on the old Archie comics I read, so I'll just list them.

ARCHIE'S T.V. LAUGH-OUT #61 (Sept. 1978)

LAUGH #21 (June 1990)

SABRINA THE TEENAGE WITCH #28 (Oct. 1975)

SABRINA THE TEENAGE WITCH #57 (Dec. 1979)

BETTY AND VERONICA #66 (Aug. 1993)

LIFE WITH ARCHIE #195 (July 1978)

JUGHEAD #281 (Oct. 1978)


I can hardly ever find Sabrinas locally or within a 2h drive and if I do they're always at least $10 each even in fair condition. How much does your shop charge for them?


I hope they continue the Many Loves storyline but this sounds like it's the last one?

irishmoxie

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 05, 2016, 04:12:44 AM


I remember when we had the thread on DE collections I listed the contents of the SHE'S JOSIE digital exclusive collection. That reprints all the Josie stories (because the early ones were issue-long stories) from She's Josie # 1, 8, 9, 10, and 13. Wouldn't surprise me too much to find out they'd all been reprinted earlier in issues of WOADD. Do you find any stories from issues #2-7, 11 or 12 in those early World of Archie digests?


Went through some WOADD's and comics.org and was able to compile this list. All these WOADD's are on Unlimited on the Archie app. I wonder why they don't just put all these in hardcover volumes. They are almost complete on She's Josie and Josie. They could even compiled these into a digital exclusive and charge a boatload of money. For some reason I don't see the 70's stories of Josie and the Pussycats reprinted that much. Maybe they feel very 70's/dated and that's why?

WOADD #1 = No Josie. All Christmas stories.
She's Josie #1 = WOADD #2
She's Josie #2 = WOADD #3
She's Josie #3 = WOADD #7
She's Josie #4 = WOADD #44
She's Josie #5 = WOADD #4
She's Josie #6 = WOADD #5
She's Josie #7 = WOADD #6
She's Josie #8 = WOADD #8
She's Josie #9 = WOADD #9
She's Josie #10 = WOADD #10
She's Josie #11 = WOADD #12
She's Josie #12 = ?Not in a WOADD
She's Josie #13 = WOADD #11
She's Josie #14 = ?Not in a WOADD but one of the stories is reprinted in some digests from the 90s
She's Josie #15 = WOADD #40
She's Josie #16 = WOADD #41
Josie #17 = ?Not in a WOADD
Josie #18 = WOADD #35
Josie #19 = WOADD #13
Josie #20 = ?Not in a WOADD but one of the stories is reprinted in The Best of Dan DeCarlo Vol. 4
Josie #21 = WOADD #19
Josie #22 = WOADD #17
Josie #23 = WOADD #16
Josie #24 = WOADD #14
Josie #25 = WOADD #39
Josie #26 = WOADD #36
Josie #27 = WOADD #38
Josie #28 = WOADD #15
Josie #29 = WOADD #20
Josie #31 = WOADD #21
Josie# 32 = WOADD# 37
Josie #33 = WOADD #22
Josie #34 = WOADD #29
Josie #36 = WOADD #30
Josie #37 = WOADD #32
Josie #38 = ?Not in a WOADD
Josie #39 (only 3/4 stories included from #39; the fourth story is in a B&V Friends digest from 2012) = WOADD # 55 (story from Laugh #157 also in this issue)
Josie #40 = WOADD# 34
Josie #41 = WOADD #31Josie stories from Laugh:
WOADD #33 = Laugh #147, 152, 155, 159
WOADD #42 = Laugh #154, 158, 160, 161
WOADD #43 = Laugh #145, 146, 168, 151
WOADD #50 = Laugh #149, 148, 153 and Pep #161


Seems to be no more Josie after WOADD #50. Maybe they are thought she wasn't that popular after all? Or the recoloring/retouching cost was too high? Or maybe we will see her again in another digest like B&V Friends.

DeCarlo Rules

#234
QuoteI can hardly ever find Sabrinas locally or within a 2h drive and if I do they're always at least $10 each even in fair condition. How much does your shop charge for them?

I hope they continue the Many Loves storyline but this sounds like it's the last one?


I'm guessing about TMLoAA, based on the descriptions of the lead stories in the solicitations for issues 244 and 245 of B&VDD. Since there have already been 7 episodes up to this point, and they already did episodes featuring each of the other six girls (besides B&V) that nominated Archie for the "Boyfriend of the Year Award" mentioned in the first episode, if the series were to continue to 10 episodes (as originally projected by Dan Parent) the remaining 3 episodes would spotlight Betty in one story, Veronica in another, and then a concluding episode to wrap things up. Based on the solicitation descriptions the new lead stories in 244 and 245 don't sound like episodes of TMLoAA. That and the fact that the timing of this last episode coincides with Fernando's mention (after he turned in his last new story only to discover, to his surprise, that they had no new art assignments to offer him) that all new lead stories in the digests will be strictly limited to 5 pages from here on out, and all of the TMLoAA episodes have been 10 or more pages so far.

Those old comics were only in 'good' condition, and I found them rummaging through some $1 boxes. Occasionally (I should probably say very occasionally) I can find some SABRINAs (not the earliest ones) in less than VG condition, but rarely any JOSIEs. But mostly I only find common, lesser condition issues of almost every Archie title except the ones featuring Josie, Sabrina, Betty, Veronica, or B&V, unless it's a recent one from the last 5 years.

DeCarlo Rules

#235
Quote from: irishmoxie on May 06, 2016, 12:30:05 AM

Seems to be no more Josie after WOADD #50. Maybe they are thought she wasn't that popular after all? Or the recoloring/retouching cost was too high? Or maybe we will see her again in another digest like B&V Friends.


Thanks for the list, it's helpful. I'll save that for future reference.

The Josie (& the Pussycats) reprint section has been appearing in B&V FRIENDS DD since the beginning (#209), but it's only a 12-page section with two 5 or 6 page stories. Occasionally one of those is a pre-Pussycats Josie story, if it fits the page count.

The digital exclusive JOSIE & THE SCAREDY CATS is all '70s stories. We can sit here and wonder why ACP doesn't do the logical thing in reprinting stories, and figure that older collectors who have disposable income would jump on a series of hardcover collections, but somehow it doesn't seem to have occurred to anyone. Dark Horse is doing the most ancient Archie stories they can find, but those aren't the most attractive ones to the majority of adult Archie fans, it's the later ones from the mid-1950s to mid-1970s, especially on select titles like JOSIE. Someone will figure it out eventually, if I live that long, I guess. ACP doesn't have the money or the know-how to do high-end hardcover reprints (except if they recruit someone like Craig Yoe, as they did with their two hardcovers, The Art of Betty and Veronica, and The Art of Archie: The Covers). IDW did "the best of" Archie artists hardcover collections, and ACP did "The Best of Archie Comics" TPBs, but nobody seems to think about doing chronological Archives collections of the best series featuring the best stories and artwork, like JOSIE. Dan DeCarlo is probably THE most popular artist among the older collectors, but gee... he didn't do a huge amount of Archie stories, and Archie is the most popular character according to digest readers, so that obviously wouldn't work. DUH. Nobody buying hardcovers cares all that much about Dan's Archie or Jughead stories, comparatively speaking -- they want to see him drawing girls, like Josie, Sabrina, or Betty & Veronica.

irishmoxie

I think the Archie archives are finally at the end of the 40s now. Hopefully we will start seeing stories from the 50s and beyond. Especially Josie and the other female characters.

After I posted that I remember the pussycats stories were in the B&V Friends digests. I believe there are still some holes regarding which stories are where so I'll try to fill those in when I have time.

invisifan

SuperZero ... Totally .. weird ... enjoying it but no idea where it's going ... after 5 issues ...

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: irishmoxie on May 06, 2016, 07:53:06 AM
I think the Archie archives are finally at the end of the 40s now. Hopefully we will start seeing stories from the 50s and beyond. Especially Josie and the other female characters.

After I posted that I remember the pussycats stories were in the B&V Friends digests. I believe there are still some holes regarding which stories are where so I'll try to fill those in when I have time.


It's going to be a long wait to get to JOSIE and those DeCarlo Sabrina stories from ARCHIE'S MADHOUSE, if they just keep moving forward at the pace they have been. With the first ARCHIE'S PAL JUGHEAD ARCHIVES (volume 2 due in June) they're already up to issue #8 (1951), but they haven't even scheduled a first volume of ARCHIE'S GIRLS BETTY AND VERONICA yet. Likely REGGIE would be first, anyway, chronologically speaking (I'd be anxious to get my hands on that one myself), and it would be a short run, with issues #1-14 (2 volumes) covering the years 1949 through 1954, then a big break while the title went on hiatus until #15 in September 1962. This is all assuming that they are going in strict chronological sequence. There's another 12-13 years to cover before they get to 1962 and SHE'S JOSIE #1, so my argument would be to jump ahead to the good stuff, and forego the strict chronological reprinting of all Archie titles. Fantagraphics Books took exactly that approach when doing THE CARL BARKS DISNEY LIBRARY, not proceeding in chronological order of issuing volumes in that hardcover series. The stories within each volume ARE in chronological sequence, but there's no need for the readers to read them that way, since the stories themselves aren't heavily dependent on those that came before. Why not just jump straight to 1962 with some of the better Archie material like JOSIE and proceed from there? Go back and forth and eventually fill the gaps in each series, but that way you've got a bunch of different titles proceeding ahead, each at its own pace (according to what sells best).

BettyReggie

I read these books for 12 minutes each
🌠Betty & Veronica Jumbo Comics Digest #242
🌠Jughead & Archie Comics Double Digest #14
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