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  • Biollante: ok so shouldn't Joe Quesada know that? lol  It made him look a bit stupid imo.
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  • Jabroniville: Yeah, that's odd- Thor usually has the Hammer out in front. Though I don't think it's ever explained how he can throw it while in mid-flight and not just plummet like a goof. I wish artists would stop having him do things like that :)
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Author Topic: Archie's Weird Mysteries: The Complete Series-February 2012  (Read 3371 times)

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Offline PTF

Whoa. You stick up for one diminutive pup and you lose a karma point...and I'm now: VILE LITTLE SCRAPPY DOO FANCIER. :lol:

Would it help if I told you that I liked the Great Gazoo too? :)

Offline Biollante

I just know when you're like 4 years old, Scrappy Doo is way cooler than Shaggy and Scooby put together.  I think Scooby Doo fans are kind of stuck on wanting the same thing repeated over and over again forever, so they're mad at him for shaking up the cast.

Offline PTF

It also depends on when you were born. I'm more used to Scooby Doo, Shaggy, and Scrappy than the original toon. I remember watching the 80's version of the show with the Michael Jackson rip off music for the new theme, the movies I got on video, and the cartoons where it was just Scooby, Scrappy, and Shaggy dealing with real monsters.

And I'll be honest, I like Rodimus Prime better than Optimus because those are the episodes I remember growing up to. Of course as an adult, I can see how right I was because Hot Rod is better than Optimus, but you know what I mean. :)

Offline Tuxedo Mark

I just know when you're like 4 years old, Scrappy Doo is way cooler than Shaggy and Scooby put together.  I think Scooby Doo fans are kind of stuck on wanting the same thing repeated over and over again forever, so they're mad at him for shaking up the cast.

No, they're mad at him for being annoying.

I once saw this type of character given a name in an essay. It's called the 1980s Mistake Character.




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Offline PTF

Yeah, originally, but he was toned down years later and in the cartoon movies. I'm just saying, as a whole, taking everything into account, he wasn't as bad as everyone says.

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And since I've been given my own special title by someone I close with this: Ta dadada ta daaa! PUUUUPPYYY POWER!!!! :)

Offline Biollante

I just know when you're like 4 years old, Scrappy Doo is way cooler than Shaggy and Scooby put together.  I think Scooby Doo fans are kind of stuck on wanting the same thing repeated over and over again forever, so they're mad at him for shaking up the cast.

No, they're mad at him for being annoying.

I once saw this type of character given a name in an essay. It's called the 1980s Mistake Character.

There's also a thing called revisionist fan history. Scrappy Doo was successful.  He was in several TV seasons and a few direct to video movies.  A success isn't a "mistake."  Even the people that made the original show said he was needed to keep it from being canceled, becuase they had already done the previous formula to death.

Whether or not he is annoying is an opinion I think.  I know Scrappy Doo is widely hated on the internet, but those fanbase points of view are usually extremely skewed.  Best example I can think of is Dune fans.  According to them, a cheap, corny Scifi Channel Dune movie is better than the ridiculously well made and poetic big budget David Lynch Dune movie because the Lynch movie strayed from novel in different aspects.  The Lynch movie, while flopping at the boxoffice, is now very popular cult classic, but the hardcore Dune fans are in total denial about it. lol

Online Jabroniville

I think I'm lucky in that I never cared for Scooby-Doo as a kid (though "A Pup Named Scooby-Doo" was cute, and actually rather subversive at times, as PTF has noted), so I never saw any Scrappy episodes. I didn't know of him at all until I was in my teens, and by that point, you're WELL outside of the range where Scrappy-Doo would amuse you, and you instead find him the most annoying character EVER. You may ask why I didn't just watch something else, but I'm guessing I was young and it was the only thing Teletoon was showing at the time :).

Scrappy-Doo's another type of character like Jar-Jar Binks or something. Very annoying, always in your face about it, and anyone over a certain age is going to hate him. I mean, I hate almost all Scooby-related stuff as garbage, but SCRAPPY is on an entirely new level of suck.

There's an interesting bunch of articles by the guy who was part of the creation of Scrappy-Doo: http://www.povonline.com/scrappydays/scrappy01.htm (he defends it much like Ghidra does- he kept the show going, and he WAS popular in his debut. He was certainly no "failure" that killed the franchise, much like Fonzie's "Shark-Jumping" didn't kill "Happy Days", which stayed on for another six years... it just made it suck more in many people's opinions, especially when they look back on things)

The TV Tropes page for "The Scrappy" (fan shorthand for the most HATED CHARACTER EVER in a fandom or show); http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheScrappy
« Last Edit: January 10, 2012, 04:55:06 AM by Jabroniville »
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Offline Biollante

But again, that's the most hated character among 30 somethings watching a show for children 30 years after it aired.  I honestly didn't like Scooby Doo without Scrappy Doo that much as a kid.  When they started showing the re-runs with Scrappy, I started caring.

I also don't think he's a Jar Jary Binks.  Jar Jar Binks didn't make it to the next movie.  Not even kids liked him.  Scrappy stayed on for like 7 seasons or something.  In reality, Scooby fans should probably be thanking Scrappy for giving the show the lifeblood it needed to survive as a franchise into the 80's, which helped it survive into the 90's and 00's and eventually de-evolve back into the previous form they prefer.  Like that article said, they were going to cancel it, because it would have been a better idea to just launch a completely new show if they were just going to keep doing the same old thing with just more episodes.

Haven't watched a lot of those episodes in recent history.  Saw maybe a few in the last couple of years, and Scrappy really didn't bug me that much as an adult viewer.  Don't really obsess over Scooby Doo though.  I've moved onto other things that have better characters and slightly more potential for growth. 

It's interesting that the most memorable episodes of the newer ones were with new one shot characters like the Hex Girls or something, probably because everyone has seen so much of the other characters it's getting kind of pointless.  I'll give the Mystery Inc. show some points for at least trying very hard.  Seeing a Sccoby/Shaggy/Velma love triangle was amusing at least.

* Note, I wrote this while drinking, so I hope it makes sense.  XD

Offline Captain Hero

Yeah, originally, but he was toned down years later and in the cartoon movies. I'm just saying, as a whole, taking everything into account, he wasn't as bad as everyone says.

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And since I've been given my own special title by someone I close with this: Ta dadada ta daaa! PUUUUPPYYY POWER!!!! :)

While I'm not the biggest Scrappy Doo fan out there, I do concur that there have been worse cartoon characters since.

Offline PTF

Yes and...


"Surly little Scrappy Doo Fancier And Deviant Stalker Of The Great Gazoo." And you took another karma point?! Okay, that does it, I'm writing an Archie fan fic titled: THE ARCHIES MEET SCRAPPY DAPPY DOO featuring the Great Gazoo just to spite who ever keeps doing that! :)

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Oh yeah. And yeah, we've had way more annoying characters, characters who never actually improved or became less irratating. I mean, just watch an episode when Scrappy first came on and when he was in the Boo Brothers. They did away with  his more annoying tendancies. I think it helped you got rid of the dead weight (sorry, Daphne, Fred, and Velma...but you're not the stars of the franchise).

Offline Biollante

I don't think I really like Daphne at all.  Sure she's good looking, but she just seems kind of like a.... door mat?  I really can't think of anything significant she's done other than being Fred's subtextual arm candy.  At least Scrappy is an independent and strong character.  Velma at least does more obviously, but she just doesn't appeal to me much either.  This is probably why I prefer watching the Pussycats, the rebellious, strong-willed character, Alexandra, is female.

Offline archieandme

I just received the DVD's.  First, the really great news is that the full series costs $5.49 on Amazon so it's a real bargain.

The discs are in separate paper envelopes with cellophane windows and are housed in a standard size DVD case.

Quality is good.  Considering that the series wasn't done in high def to begin with it looks decent although there is some pixilation.  They are dual layer discs.  I tried playback using a standard DVD player on a 42" 1080 HD display.

As for bonus content, there are bonus episodes from Sabrina-The Animated Series, Sabrina's Secret Life, and Mona the Vampire, one episode from each series.  They have the standard menue options of "Play all" or select an episode.

Overall it's well worth the price.  Now I can see the episodes I missed on first run.

Offline PTF

Yeah, I finally was able to save up enough money to order it today along with Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century.

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Next time, C.O.P.S. volume two. Next time. :)

Offline Biollante

I just received the DVD's.  First, the really great news is that the full series costs $5.49 on Amazon so it's a real bargain.

The discs are in separate paper envelopes with cellophane windows and are housed in a standard size DVD case.

Quality is good.  Considering that the series wasn't done in high def to begin with it looks decent although there is some pixilation.  They are dual layer discs.  I tried playback using a standard DVD player on a 42" 1080 HD display.

As for bonus content, there are bonus episodes from Sabrina-The Animated Series, Sabrina's Secret Life, and Mona the Vampire, one episode from each series.  They have the standard menue options of "Play all" or select an episode.

Overall it's well worth the price.  Now I can see the episodes I missed on first run.

Pixelation is usually due to a lousy encode, not the fact the content isn't in HD.  I'll probably get around to buying this soon though.

Offline Tuxedo Mark

Are the short "background" commercials included? You know, "Ever since an experiment in a high school physics lab went awry, things have been getting strange in Riverdale."




Betty Cooper + Cheryl Blossom. It's inevitable.

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