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Offline Frank

Canadian and other price variant books
« on: April 27, 2008, 01:55:26 PM »
Hello all,
I just did a write-up on my new personal BLOG about Canadian editions of Archie books.  I'm always interested in feedback, clarification and information.

http://www.snaptechsolutions.com/Bergdollia/Blog/Entries/2008/4/27_canadian_comics%3A_canadian_priced_archie_comics.html

Hope you enjoy!
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Offline archiecomicsfan27

Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2008, 04:56:30 PM »
This is what I said in the shoutbox: "Frank I just read your article and I think it's safe to say that the rarest is the Can/UK ones"
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Offline Frank

Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2008, 05:11:05 PM »
Quote from: archiecomicsfan27 on April 27, 2008, 04:56:30 PM
This is what I said in the shoutbox: "Frank I just read your article and I think it's safe to say that the rarest is the Can/UK ones"

I think those are certainly rare.  I'm wondering if the straight-up Canadian ones aren't the rarest though.  The Can/UK ones would have been printed in quantities sufficient to support both Canada and UK sales.  The Canadian ones would have only been for Canada - and thus a smaller market.

However, now you have me wondering if there are straight-up UK priced books!  If so, are they reprints or part of the same print run that prints the US and CAN issues?  If they are part of the same print run, and if they actually exist - these would be hard to locate on this side of the pond.

Interesting indeed!

Of course, as time passes - the runs that were printed for only a short time become rarer and rarer.  So the Can/UK's would certainly be very hard to come by.

Oh.  I suppose I should also clarify that I am thinking about the rarity of a specific issue with a specific price.  The Can.- only priced books can be bought today at Walmart if you just want a sample.
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Offline Captain Hero

Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2008, 06:02:27 PM »
What's really odd is that from the perspective of a Canadian, the Can/UK pricing system doesn't seem all that rare to me! ;D
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Offline Frank

Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2008, 06:23:31 PM »
Quote from: Captain Hero on April 27, 2008, 06:02:27 PM
What's really odd is that from the perspective of a Canadian, the Can/UK pricing system doesn't seem all that rare to me! ;D

I'm still trying to research it, but there was a time when comic distribution was undergoing some pretty radical changes.  There used to be a whole bunch of distributors to the direct (no returns) market and the newsstand (returnable) market.  What happened was that some major publishers signed exclusive contracts and some tried to distribute themselves.  The end result we have today is one direct-market distributor (Diamond).

I sort of wonder whether the time of the UK/Can pricing was during these "distribution wars" and Archie found a newsstand publisher that dealt with the "Commonwealth" - or at least Canada/UK news agents. 
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Offline archieandme

Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2008, 11:15:19 PM »
I have Archie's Christmas Stocking #5 (1958) with a 35 cent cover price, which I would assume was for Canada.  It appears to be a U.S. printing.

I'm surprised that after 30 some odd years of buying Archies that that issue is the only issue that I have like that.
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Offline Frank

Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2008, 12:42:08 AM »
Quote from: archieandme on April 28, 2008, 11:15:19 PM
I have Archie's Christmas Stocking #5 (1958) with a 35 cent cover price, which I would assume was for Canada.  It appears to be a U.S. printing.

I'm surprised that after 30 some odd years of buying Archies that that issue is the only issue that I have like that.

Nice!  That's a very nice find.  I was unaware that the price differential was taking place back in 1958.

In fact, if anyone is interested - there are some Archie comics that are super-super rare and only one collector that I know has a complete set of them and the are spectacular.  These are the Canadian war-time Archies.

What happened was that Canada banned all non-essential imports as part of the war measures act.  This resulted in no comics for young Canadian readers! (unless your relatives in the US sent them or you went to the US on vacation).

This lead to the birth of a Canadian comic publishing industry - an area I collect as passionately as I can!  In 30+ years I have a collection of 51 Canadian Golden-Age books - that's considered a large collection!

Anyhow - these books are not even listed in the Price Guide. Some are original material in Black and White (hence the nickname Canadian Whites) and some eventually were printed in colour.  Some were new artwork created from the US Scripts (lot's of Captain Marvel stuff), and then there are the odds and ends.

Want the ultimate Archie challenge?  Try collecting THOSE books!
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Offline Tuxedo Mark

Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2008, 10:02:03 AM »
So is that original Canadian Archie material that never appeared in the US?

Is it just new artwork for US scripts or new Canadian scripts?
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Offline Frank

Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2008, 10:59:34 AM »
Quote from: Tuxedo Mark on April 29, 2008, 10:02:03 AM
So is that original Canadian Archie material that never appeared in the US?

Is it just new artwork for US scripts or new Canadian scripts?

I *think* that it's the same material as the US, same art, same story, but black&white.  This is not 100% as the most I have ever seen are the covers.  These would all be Pep-era books as far as I can tell (War Time).
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Offline Purgatori

Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2008, 05:56:58 PM »
There are definitely UK-only priced Archies. A publisher called Gerald S. Swan published a number of titles in the '50s. It's difficult to pin down dates because issues appear to have been reprinted with no distinguishing features and most  of the issues had no dates. There were, however, publishing schedules on later issues that give some idea of what was published.

They're all black-and-white reprints of the U.S. issues. There was a U.K. version of the Archie Giant series, which seems to have reprinted the Archie, Jughead and Betty and Veronica annuals. Archie's Christmas Stocking #1 is a hard-back volume in the standard UK format for children's annuals.

Anyway, here's what I know:

Archie Annual Yearbook 2 is dated 1953 (2/6d)

Archie Annual/Giant 22 is listed as November 1958; there are at least issues up to 29; published monthly; 2/- or 2/6d
2 is Archie Annual (see above)
3 is Archie’s Christmas Stocking (see below)
4 is Archie Annual
5 is Archie Annual
6 is Archie Annual
7 is Betty and Veronica
8 is Archie’s Pals ‘n’ Gals (2/-)
9 is Jughead Annual (2/-)
10 is Archie Annual (2/-)
11 is Betty and Veronica (2/-)
12 is Jughead Annual (2/-)
13 is Archie Annual (2/-)
14 is Archie’s Pals ‘n’ Gals (2/-)
15 is Betty and Veronica (2/-) - May ‘58
16 is Jughead Annual (2/-) - June ‘58
17 is Katy Keene Annual (2/-) - July ‘58
18 is Archie Annual (2/-) - August ‘58
19 is Archie’s Pals ‘n’ Gals (2/-) - October ‘58
20 is Katy Keene’s Pin-Up Parade (2/-) - November ‘58
21 is Betty and Veronica (2/-)
22 is Archie Annual (2/-) - November ‘58
23 is Jughead Annual (2/-)
24 is Archie’s Pals ‘n’ Gals (2/-)
25 is PEP Comics Annual (2/-)
26 is Jughead Annual (2/-)
27 is Betty and Veronica (2/-)
28 is Archie’s Pals ‘n’ Gals (2/-)
29 is Archie’s Pals ‘n’ Gals (2/-)

28 suggests that issues are reprinted as it announces 7 and 9 as being “out again”.

Archie’s Christmas Stocking 1 & 2 are hardbound books (2/6); 3 is listed in 21 as September 1958, 2/-, but this may be a second printing

Archie scheduled to at least 11; 1 & 2 are 1/-, 6d thereafter; 1957-1958
•   5 - Friday Jan 3rd 1958
•   6 - Friday Jan 31st 1958
•   7 - Friday Feb 28th 1958
•   8 - Friday Mar 28th 1958
•   9 - Friday Apr 25th 1958
•   10 - Friday May 30th 1958
•   11 - Friday Jun 27th 1958

Archie’s Girls Betty and Veronica scheduled to at least 8; 1 & 2 are 1/-, 6d thereafter; 1957-1958
•   5 - Friday Jan 24th 1958
•   6 - Friday Mar 21st 1958
•   7 - Friday May 23rd 1958
•   8 - Friday Jun 20th 1958

Archie’s Joke Book scheduled to at least 10; 6d; 5 is 1957
•   6 - Friday Jan 17th 1958
•   7 - Friday Feb 14th 1958
•   8 - Friday Mar 14th 1958
•   9 - Friday Apr 18th 1958
•   10 - Friday May 16th 1958

PEP scheduled to at least 7; 6d
•   5 - Friday Feb 7th 1958
•   6 - Friday Mar 7th 1958
•   7 - Friday Apr 11th 1958
•   8 - Friday May 9th 1958
•   9 - Friday Jun 13th 1958

Archie’s Pal Jughead scheduled to at least 9; 1 is 1/-, 6d thereafter
•   4 - Friday Jan 10th 1958
•   5 - Friday Feb 21st 1958
•   6 - Friday Apr 5th 1958
•   7 - Friday May 2nd 1958
•   8 - Friday Jun 6th 1958
 
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Offline Frank

Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2008, 06:58:31 PM »
WOW!  That's fantastic information!
It's quite possible that many UK books would find themselves in Canada - many UK Distributors would send material to Canada (Commonwealth and all that!).  In fact, I many of my childhood books were British rather than US (Noddy books are still well beloved to me).

I have some UK books with the UK pricing only (mostly Golden-Age books like Blazing Comics, etc).  I was unaware that there was so much 1950's material to be had.
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Offline Pep22

Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2008, 08:30:37 AM »
The price differentials seem to extend quite far back in time. Take a look at the Archie Giant books from the "Toronto Collection" on Heritage's website. They're all 35 cent covers. To the best of my knowledge though, the standard size books only had a price differential in the early '60s (and later). Here's an image of the 15 cent price on a 12 cent book.
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Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2008, 08:31:59 AM »
And speaking of Canadian editions :)

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Offline Frank

Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2008, 11:23:49 AM »
OOOOOO!!! THOSE are nice and very, very rare indeed.

This week I am off to Toronto where I am fortunate enough to be meeting a gentleman that has some insanely rare Canadian Archie books.  In fact, unless I am mistaken, I think he has them ALL.  - including the "PEP 22".

If he agrees, I would love to take some photos and post them here.  From all accounts this is a spectacular collection to behold.  He also collects the infamous "Canadian Whites" - which are black and white comics published in Canada during the war when comics from the US were deemed "non-essential imports" and were banned.  To give you an idea of the rarity - I have been collecting for 30 or so years and have only seen these books last year (when I bought 50 in one go).  I have none of the Archie Comics or Super Comics - I can't even imagine what these would go for.
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Offline Captain Hero

Re: Canadian and other price variant books
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2008, 11:29:44 AM »
I can tell you when the Can/UK pricing started appearing on the covers here.  I think it all started back in January 1990, because Jughead Jones Digest #62 had the Can/UK price, whereas #61 did not.  It lasted until issue #74, which was printed the first week of 1992, so all in all, the practice here lasted exactly 2 years.
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