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Offline John Asperger

Reprint revision rules ????
« on: June 22, 2010, 05:42:21 PM »
I am interested to hear that digest reprints are frequently discernably changed , not only for fashions , but for words used , and even for the look of a character :( :o!
  Does any post here go into details about this/give examples ?
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Offline Jabroniville

Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2010, 07:01:02 PM »
Someone posted an example of Ethel's buck teeth being edited out of an issue once. I know many dates have been edited (to update to the modern date- which is funny when you see all the outdated clothing :)). There was a reprint story where everyone kept saying "FAKE Fur" with the "FAKE" clearly being written in by another person, to hide the fact that it was obviously an actual animal in the original story (I wonder how hard it is to match typefaces- every time I see Archie do this, it looks awkward and stands out as an edit).

I once read an entire story that was redrawn from scratch, with the exact same storyline perfectly intact- it was the one where Reggie glued a tiny paper airplane to a fly as a prank on Miss Grundy & The Bee. The art didn't even really look any newer, either.

I personally haven't seen any clothing changes edited in. I've heard of it- on the "Penny & Aggie" forum, someone ("Rik"?) from Archie comics actually said they edit out bellbottoms and the like from reprints these days.
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Offline Gigi

Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2010, 08:10:27 PM »
Not sure if this was mentioned before, but one edit that made me giggle was in Jughead and Friends Digest #20. They ran a story with Jughead and Uncle Herman (from Wilkin Boy) where baseball players (kids) come out of a TV. That exact same story ran in Jughead and Friends Digest #3, but instead of Jughead, it's Bingo. This was clearly the original (a reprint from the 70s.) I'm assuming they wanted to do a story with Jughead tied to the Wilkin Boy universe, so they redrew the story with Jughead in it.

Oh, and Jabroniville... Penny and Aggie... what's that? ;)
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Offline addisonian

Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2010, 11:38:24 PM »
Quote from: Gigi on July 03, 2010, 08:10:27 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned before, but one edit that made me giggle was in Jughead and Friends Digest #20. They ran a story with Jughead and Uncle Herman (from Wilkin Boy) where baseball players (kids) come out of a TV. That exact same story ran in Jughead and Friends Digest #3, but instead of Jughead, it's Bingo. This was clearly the original (a reprint from the 70s.) I'm assuming they wanted to do a story with Jughead tied to the Wilkin Boy universe, so they redrew the story with Jughead in it.

I haven't seen the Jughead story you refer to, but it's a little more complicated: the Wilkin Boy story was actually a remake of a Jughead story from 1960 called "Dimension Invention". They took the same script and redid it with Bingo, as "Inventing We Will Go." Maybe they wanted to give Bingo an Uncle so they just tried to recycle some of the characteristics of Jughead's Uncle Herman (though that guy looked like Jughead, as did all Jughead relatives).
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Offline Gigi

Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2010, 11:51:22 PM »
Wow, so this means that the story with Jughead and Bingo's Uncle Herman is the 3rd version of this story. Thanks for clearing this up for me. :)
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Offline Oldiesmann

Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2010, 01:05:34 AM »
I personally wish they'd just reprint the stories in their original versions instead of trying to edit them to make them more current. Sure, kids today might not know what a record is or why the girls are wearing pants with wide legs, but that's half the fun. It's a history lesson for kids.
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Offline Captain Hero

Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2010, 10:02:18 AM »
Quote from: Oldiesmann on July 05, 2010, 01:05:34 AM
I personally wish they'd just reprint the stories in their original versions instead of trying to edit them to make them more current. Sure, kids today might not know what a record is or why the girls are wearing pants with wide legs, but that's half the fun. It's a history lesson for kids.

Exactly.  They could do what they are doing with the Little Archie stories and have a little page that says something like "Go back in time with the Archies", and then have a little blurb at the top of the story that says "originally appeared in Laugh #230, 1970" or something along those lines.
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Offline Jabroniville

Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2010, 06:48:01 AM »
Quote from: Gigi on July 03, 2010, 08:10:27 PM


Oh, and Jabroniville... Penny and Aggie... what's that? ;)

Haha, I totally found out who you were a few days ago, too. Nice. I remember you & T. Campbell defending the Archieverse to people who were pooh-poohing it on your forum. That was actually one of the few times I'd seen Archie discussed in great detail online before I found this forum, actually. A few of the posters there actually got quite into it (I made a topic called "what are the good Archie stories?" or something like that- in response to T telling someone who knocked Archie that "they weren't reading the right Archie stories").
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Offline ronnie343

Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010, 08:45:12 PM »
Quote from: Gigi on July 03, 2010, 08:10:27 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned before, but one edit that made me giggle was in Jughead and Friends Digest #20. They ran a story with Jughead and Uncle Herman (from Wilkin Boy) where baseball players (kids) come out of a TV. That exact same story ran in Jughead and Friends Digest #3, but instead of Jughead, it's Bingo. This was clearly the original (a reprint from the 70s.) I'm assuming they wanted to do a story with Jughead tied to the Wilkin Boy universe, so they redrew the story with Jughead in it.

I actually remember reading the original version of this story. If I'm right, instead of Uncle Herman or Bingo, it was his father he was with at the time.

Sometimes, it is somewhat irritating to see how reprints changed. I believe we have a topic on which we show the original and changed version of a certain comic. Even if we are in different times, changing the joke around completely makes it less...funny, I guess.
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Offline RiverPhoenixDale

Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2010, 11:25:20 PM »
I really hate it when the reprints change their art or text.  In fact, I hate it so much I don't buy the digests.  :)  I only buy the floppies.  I also hate the itty bitty art of the digests!

That said, I understand the company's perspective.  Comic sales have gone down, down, down over the years.  The last thing they can afford to do is have young readers pick up their first Archie and think it gives off an old, musty smell, like it's a comic book for grandparents, not for them.  If Archie fails to hook a young reader, they're missing out on -- in some cases -- a lifetime of sales to that reader in the future.  (We're all proof of that!)

Imagine if the first Archie you read featured horses and buggies but no cars.  That's what it's like for an 8-year-old reader picking up a current Archie digest featuring phonograph records instead of CDs or mp3s.
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Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2010, 09:45:29 PM »
Quote from: RiverPhoenixDale on July 07, 2010, 11:25:20 PM
Imagine if the first Archie you read featured horses and buggies but no cars.  That's what it's like for an 8-year-old reader picking up a current Archie digest featuring phonograph records instead of CDs or mp3s.

I understand your point, but I'm not so sure it's that big a deal to kids.  Kids can and do enjoy all kinds of stories that take place in old-fashioned times and they pay more attention to the story than to the technology.  Consider how many of us grew up reading Archie driving "Old Betsy"-- just a step up from a horse and buggy!-- and didn't think twice about it (or at least I didn't).  The fact is, kids get used to reading books and watching shows and movies where they don't fully understand a good half of what they're looking at; they pick up on the main story and that's what matters.
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Offline Karmanistic

Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2010, 10:28:15 PM »
 I can't say I like the idea much either. But I suppose it might make the older unedited versions more valuable.

When did they start doing this, anyway? I don't think it was happening in the seventies or early eighties.
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Offline RiverPhoenixDale

Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2010, 11:21:17 PM »
Quote from: Athena on July 08, 2010, 09:45:29 PM
I understand your point, but I'm not so sure it's that big a deal to kids.  Kids can and do enjoy all kinds of stories that take place in old-fashioned times and they pay more attention to the story than to the technology.  Consider how many of us grew up reading Archie driving "Old Betsy"-- just a step up from a horse and buggy!-- and didn't think twice about it (or at least I didn't).  The fact is, kids get used to reading books and watching shows and movies where they don't fully understand a good half of what they're looking at; they pick up on the main story and that's what matters.

Oh, I agree with you.  I just think the company probably feels like it needs to take every possible step to appear new and fresh to young readers, which is tough when you're drawing on 70 years of history.  Sure, most kids aren't bothered by dated references, but with comic sales going down and down, Archie probably feels like it just can't risk losing the kids who might be bothered.

I wish the digests were different.  I'd love to line my shelves with them, but nothing irks me quite the way seeing an altered word balloon irks me.  :)
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Offline Biollante

Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2011, 02:42:20 PM »
Not really a big fan of this at all.  It just seems like censorhip kind of, and who likes that?   Sometimes it's also just gratuitous.  Like they'll throw in references to current events or pop-culture figures or something when the characters are dressed in 80's fashions.  Kind of hope we see less of this.  Ordered that Bronze Age B&V CD-Rom.  I'm kind of paranoide when I get it the stories will still be edited somehow. xD
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Offline dth1971

Re: Reprint revision rules ????
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2011, 02:27:26 PM »
Keep the old fashions, don't doctor them in reprints!
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