As we all  know the first live action Archie comics series Riverdale besides the unofficial ones like the Archie pilot from 1964,The variety show from 1978 and Archie: To Riverdale and Back Again pilot will air on CW and is based on the characters from the Archie comics.
It will be considered a 'mystery' teen drama series with you know 'adult actors' as teenagers it happens a lot to 'teen shows' who never have actual 'teen actors' like the ones from Disney channel and nickelodeon.
But there is one actual problem the main comic book series are Comedy besides the  dark horror ones which are okay since it is its own title. Comedy has been around in the Archie comic series since the beginning well besides it has superheroes when it was MLJ and has been always like that though they deal with teen issues and a bit drama.
Making a live action series based on a funny comic book property which is comedy and to be a dark teen drama series is a problem. Many Archie fanatics who read the comic book series will hate it and will earn mixed reviews and it will only last for one or two seasons.
So I thought maybe I am going to explain my take on a proper live action Archie live action series,
If the series is family oriented then the role of the Archie characters should be played by teens but it should not be produced by it's a laugh productions who made most of the Disney teens sitcoms and it must be different from regular nick sitcoms if its aired on nickelodeon or at least let the Archie sitcom air on Netflix or any web network channels.
But if the series is aimed for older audience then let the characters be played by actual aged teen actors or maybe older actors instead like most 'teen shows' do but let it be sitcom or at least a drama comedy series like scrubs where it will probably involve daily teen problems and stuff including LGBT and it should be aired on MTV or maybe Netflix or some other web channels.
So that's my take on a proper Archie live action series and the reason why I am saying this is that the Archie comic series are comedy including the reboot though it has drama elements since it has to tackle usual teen problems. But making a live action series based on a classic comedy comic book series and turn into a mystery teen drama series and air on CW which never airs sitcoms that's a big No-no.

Well, let's not forget Archie's Weird Mysteries, was about- like the name says, mysteries. But this new CW thing is gonna be more about sex, violence/murder. That's what I don't like. What is it about people that all they want to watch is those kinds of things? They don't really care about innocent-ish things anymore.

Never mind all that. I'm still waiting for a proper Archie animated series. The first one (produced by Filmation) came the closest, but that isn't saying much. Of the main five characters, about the only one whose personality came even remotely close to being captured by the cartoon was Reggie (at least he could be relied on to pull underhanded tricks and prank Archie). Did we see comical situations caused by Archie's accident-prone nature, his inability to choose between Betty & Veronica, his constant chasing after various girls, his misadventures working various jobs in an attempt to make enough cash to date Veronica? What about Archie's behavior constantly landing him in Detention, or him being a constant thorn in Mr. Lodge's side? What about Archie constantly chasing Veronica, while Betty constantly chased Archie? We did not see anything like that. Did we see episodes based on the contrasting nature of B & V's personalities? We did not. Did we see episodes based on Jughead's mooching, his willingness to do anything if there was a food reward involved, or his concentrated effort to avoid work? We did not. Did we see intense contests between Archie & Reggie over dating Veronica or Reggie's constantly outclassing Archie as more well-dressed, better in sports, with a nicer car and plenty of spending cash; B & V's rivalry over Archie, and the lengths each might go to, to gain the upper hand over the other; or the battle of wits between Jughead and Reggie? We did not. Besides the music, all we ever saw were generic comedy situations. That and lots and lots of Hot Dog's antics. The Filmation people absolutely loved Hot Dog... it was practically his show. Not surprisingly, since they were the ones who invented him.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on December 27, 2016, 05:25:06 PM
Never mind all that. I'm still waiting for a proper Archie animated series. The first one (produced by Filmation) came the closest, but that isn't saying much. Of the main five characters, about the only one whose personality came even remotely close to being captured by the cartoon was Reggie (at least he could be relied on to pull underhanded tricks and prank Archie). Did we see comical situations caused by Archie's accident-prone nature, his inability to choose between Betty & Veronica, his constant chasing after various girls, his misadventures working various jobs in an attempt to make enough cash to date Veronica? We did not. Did we see episodes based on the contrasting nature of B & V's personalities? We did not. Did we see episodes based on Jughead's mooching, his willingness to do anything if there was a food reward involved, or his concentrated effort to avoid work? We did not. Did we see intense contests between Archie & Reggie over dating Veronica or Reggie's constantly outclassing Archie as more well-dressed, better in sports, with a nicer car and plenty of spending cash; B & V's rivalry over Archie, and the lengths each might go to, to gain the upper hand over the other; or the battle of wits between Jughead and Reggie? We did not. Besides the music, all we ever saw were generic comedy situations. That and lots and lots of Hot Dog's antics. The Filmation people absolutely loved Hot Dog... it was practically his show. Not surprisingly, since they were the ones who invented him.

I'm still waiting for this too. You would think with all the comics written, they would have tons of material for the above scenarios you described.

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on December 27, 2016, 12:46:41 PM
Well, let's not forget Archie's Weird Mysteries, was about- like the name says, mysteries. But this new CW thing is gonna be more about sex, violence/murder. That's what I don't like. What is it about people that all they want to watch is those kinds of things? They don't really care about innocent-ish things anymore.

Oh yeah i heard about Archie's Weird Mysteries,It may be a poor show at least it has the familiar archie themes especially its funny elements,As for the new CW riverdale yeah i don't like it as well ,Spinoff from archie comics consisting of horror and later action-fine.Reboot the archie universe series while retaining its funny elements okay.

But making a live action dark archie series with adult tones like sex,murder and mystery this I don't like. And why people want to watch this type it's like the 90s again to the superheroes except this time its for the archie comics industry.I know change is good but making a live action and dark that's too much i prefer live action with a light tone and sitcom and if they want to aim for a live audience make a sitcom with a drama like scrubs did.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on December 27, 2016, 05:25:06 PM
Never mind all that. I'm still waiting for a proper Archie animated series. The first one (produced by Filmation) came the closest, but that isn't saying much. Of the main five characters, about the only one whose personality came even remotely close to being captured by the cartoon was Reggie (at least he could be relied on to pull underhanded tricks and prank Archie). Did we see comical situations caused by Archie's accident-prone nature, his inability to choose between Betty & Veronica, his constant chasing after various girls, his misadventures working various jobs in an attempt to make enough cash to date Veronica? What about Archie's behavior constantly landing him in Detention, or him being a constant thorn in Mr. Lodge's side? What about Archie constantly chasing Veronica, while Betty constantly chased Archie? We did not see anything like that. Did we see episodes based on the contrasting nature of B & V's personalities? We did not. Did we see episodes based on Jughead's mooching, his willingness to do anything if there was a food reward involved, or his concentrated effort to avoid work? We did not. Did we see intense contests between Archie & Reggie over dating Veronica or Reggie's constantly outclassing Archie as more well-dressed, better in sports, with a nicer car and plenty of spending cash; B & V's rivalry over Archie, and the lengths each might go to, to gain the upper hand over the other; or the battle of wits between Jughead and Reggie? We did not. Besides the music, all we ever saw were generic comedy situations. That and lots and lots of Hot Dog's antics. The Filmation people absolutely loved Hot Dog... it was practically his show. Not surprisingly, since they were the ones who invented him.

You know maybe an animated archie cartoon would work let it air on maybe cartoon network,nickelodeon or maybe disney XD or disney channel and let it be faithful to the source material aimed for younger audience though i wish for a live action archie sitcom aimed for both older and younger audience .Then again nobody wish for a live action peanuts film, right?

   A cartoon Archie Comics series would seem like a slam dunk.  However, cartoons usually have limited budgets, so Betty and Veronica would be wearing the same clothes in every episode, which is rather off-putting.  A live-action sitcom without either a studio audience or a laugh track would could very good, IMO. 

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on December 27, 2016, 05:25:06 PM
Never mind all that. I'm still waiting for a proper Archie animated series. The first one (produced by Filmation) came the closest, but that isn't saying much. Of the main five characters, about the only one whose personality came even remotely close to being captured by the cartoon was Reggie (at least he could be relied on to pull underhanded tricks and prank Archie). Did we see comical situations caused by Archie's accident-prone nature, his inability to choose between Betty & Veronica, his constant chasing after various girls, his misadventures working various jobs in an attempt to make enough cash to date Veronica? What about Archie's behavior constantly landing him in Detention, or him being a constant thorn in Mr. Lodge's side? What about Archie constantly chasing Veronica, while Betty constantly chased Archie? We did not see anything like that. Did we see episodes based on the contrasting nature of B & V's personalities? We did not. Did we see episodes based on Jughead's mooching, his willingness to do anything if there was a food reward involved, or his concentrated effort to avoid work? We did not. Did we see intense contests between Archie & Reggie over dating Veronica or Reggie's constantly outclassing Archie as more well-dressed, better in sports, with a nicer car and plenty of spending cash; B & V's rivalry over Archie, and the lengths each might go to, to gain the upper hand over the other; or the battle of wits between Jughead and Reggie? We did not. Besides the music, all we ever saw were generic comedy situations. That and lots and lots of Hot Dog's antics. The Filmation people absolutely loved Hot Dog... it was practically his show. Not surprisingly, since they were the ones who invented him.

I can't begin to express how much I was looking forward to that show before its debut and how utterly disappointed I was when I finally saw it. As you point out, it wasn't like the comic book stories and characters. And the voices were terrible!

Quote from: Bluto on January 05, 2017, 01:24:55 AM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on December 27, 2016, 05:25:06 PM
Never mind all that. I'm still waiting for a proper Archie animated series. The first one (produced by Filmation) came the closest, but that isn't saying much. Of the main five characters, about the only one whose personality came even remotely close to being captured by the cartoon was Reggie (at least he could be relied on to pull underhanded tricks and prank Archie). Did we see comical situations caused by Archie's accident-prone nature, his inability to choose between Betty & Veronica, his constant chasing after various girls, his misadventures working various jobs in an attempt to make enough cash to date Veronica? What about Archie's behavior constantly landing him in Detention, or him being a constant thorn in Mr. Lodge's side? What about Archie constantly chasing Veronica, while Betty constantly chased Archie? We did not see anything like that. Did we see episodes based on the contrasting nature of B & V's personalities? We did not. Did we see episodes based on Jughead's mooching, his willingness to do anything if there was a food reward involved, or his concentrated effort to avoid work? We did not. Did we see intense contests between Archie & Reggie over dating Veronica or Reggie's constantly outclassing Archie as more well-dressed, better in sports, with a nicer car and plenty of spending cash; B & V's rivalry over Archie, and the lengths each might go to, to gain the upper hand over the other; or the battle of wits between Jughead and Reggie? We did not. Besides the music, all we ever saw were generic comedy situations. That and lots and lots of Hot Dog's antics. The Filmation people absolutely loved Hot Dog... it was practically his show. Not surprisingly, since they were the ones who invented him.

I can't begin to express how much I was looking forward to that show before its debut and how utterly disappointed I was when I finally saw it. As you point out, it wasn't like the comic book stories and characters. And the voices were terrible!

There doesn't seem to be any evidence that the Filmation people actually read any of the then-current or recent Archie comic books as source material for their scriptwriters. Then again, as a Saturday morning cartoon, it was aimed at even younger kids than the median age of Archie Comics readers. That meant no dating or romance-based plots, no "girl-chasing" for Archie. As well, this was the time when animated cartoons on television had come under intense scrutiny by parents (specifically Peggy Charren's "Action For Children's Television", which had just been formed in 1968), and in a way, the very idea of adapting Archie to television was a response to this (where previously Filmation had adapted action-oriented comic book heroes like Superman and Aquaman). While The Archie Show went into production earlier than any "Action" against action-oriented television programs for children had actually been taken, as one of the early prime producers of those action cartoons (along with Hanna-Barbera), certainly producers Norm Prescott and Lou Scheimer had been among the first to hear the sabres rattling. As a result, all the flawed characteristics of Archie and the gang were ignored, and they became bland, model teenagers (except for the one 'black hat' character, Reggie the troublemaker, clearly portrayed as a n'eer-do-well whose actions were not to be emulated). They did have some idea of how bland they had made the characters though, and in an attempt to balance that, they figured -- well, who could object to the comical antics of a cartoon mutt who thinks like a human! As well, cartoon animals were always easier to animate for the traditional animators than realistic people.

Knowing a little about Lou Scheimer, the producer of the cartoon, I can tell you he was inspired in a lot of his choices for adapting existing media characters to animation by his own childhood memories, and many of those derived from the era of radio plays. THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN, when you look closely at the cartoon, took most of its cues not from the Golden Age or Silver Age comic books, but from the classic radio series The Adventures of Superman, starring Bud Collyer. That's why he hired Collyer to play the role of Clark Kent/Superman, and former announcer for the radio series Jackson Beck to do the narration (heard in the cartoon credits doing a slightly modified update of the old radio opening "Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound! ... Superman! Rocketed to Earth as an infant when the distant planet Krypton exploded, and who, disguised as Clark Kent, mild-mannered reporter for The Daily Planet, fights a never-ending battle for truth, justice and freedom, with super-powers far beyond those of ordinary mortals!"). In addition to getting Bud Collyer, Jackson Beck, and Joan Alexander (Lois) to reprise their roles for the new animated cartoon, Filmation included characters used only in the radio series like Daily Planet copyboy Beany (himself an 'Archie-type' character). Another member of the voice cast of TNAoS was Jack Grimes, famous now as the voice of Speed Racer, here reprising his role (from the latter years of the Adventures of Superman radio series) as Jimmy Olsen. As an interesting connection, Grimes had also played the role of Henry Aldrich (one of the two prime Archie Andrews prototypes, along with Mickey Rooney's Andy Hardy) of The Aldrich Family, on an early television adaptation of the radio series. (The Aldrich Family radio series had a complex evolution itself, but is well worth listening to by fans of Archie, as it gives some very interesting insight into how much the characters of Henry Aldrich and Archie Andrews shared in common.)

So when you ask yourself why the vocal characterizations for Archie and the gang in the Filmation cartoons sounded so strange, go back and listen to the voices on the old Archie Andrews radio program. Many people have wondered about the seemingly odd choice of Filmation to give the voice of Veronica (Jane Webb, who portrayed all the female voices on the show) a 'Southern Belle' accent, and that can be specifically attributed to the radio program. I think Lou Scheimer was largely working from an amalgam of hazy recollections of both the radio show and Bob Montana's newspaper strip Archie, and never even looked at the comic books of the time.

I don't understand why they drew so few clothes for those cartoons.

Quote from: Upsiditus on January 04, 2017, 09:36:35 PM
   A cartoon Archie Comics series would seem like a slam dunk.  However, cartoons usually have limited budgets, so Betty and Veronica would be wearing the same clothes in every episode, which is rather off-putting.

Good point

Quote from: Upsiditus on January 04, 2017, 09:36:35 PMA live-action sitcom without either a studio audience or a laugh track would could very good, IMO. 

Yeah,I think that could work and if its aimed for older audience that will be suitable as well.

Quote from: Bluto on January 05, 2017, 01:24:55 AM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on December 27, 2016, 05:25:06 PMNever mind all that. I'm still waiting for a proper Archie animated series. The first one (produced by Filmation) came the closest, but that isn't saying much. Of the main five characters, about the only one whose personality came even remotely close to being captured by the cartoon was Reggie (at least he could be relied on to pull underhanded tricks and prank Archie). Did we see comical situations caused by Archie's accident-prone nature, his inability to choose between Betty & Veronica, his constant chasing after various girls, his misadventures working various jobs in an attempt to make enough cash to date Veronica? What about Archie's behavior constantly landing him in Detention, or him being a constant thorn in Mr. Lodge's side? What about Archie constantly chasing Veronica, while Betty constantly chased Archie? We did not see anything like that. Did we see episodes based on the contrasting nature of B & V's personalities? We did not. Did we see episodes based on Jughead's mooching, his willingness to do anything if there was a food reward involved, or his concentrated effort to avoid work? We did not. Did we see intense contests between Archie & Reggie over dating Veronica or Reggie's constantly outclassing Archie as more well-dressed, better in sports, with a nicer car and plenty of spending cash; B & V's rivalry over Archie, and the lengths each might go to, to gain the upper hand over the other; or the battle of wits between Jughead and Reggie? We did not. Besides the music, all we ever saw were generic comedy situations. That and lots and lots of Hot Dog's antics. The Filmation people absolutely loved Hot Dog... it was practically his show. Not surprisingly, since they were the ones who invented him.

I can't begin to express how much I was looking forward to that show before its debut and how utterly disappointed I was when I finally saw it. As you point out, it wasn't like the comic book stories and characters. And the voices were terrible!

yeah you will be disappointed when you watch  'Riverdale' as for the animation part back then in the 70's, animation was poor due to limited budget at that time  which was why hannah barbera and filmation especially ruby spears were the king of television animation in the 70s


Including Dic because their quality was poor when they did archie's weird mysteries

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 05, 2017, 02:36:07 AMThere doesn't seem to be any evidence that the Filmation people actually read any of the then-current or recent Archie comic books as source material for their scriptwriters. Then again, as a Saturday morning cartoon, it was aimed at even younger kids than the median age of Archie Comics readers. That meant no dating or romance-based plots, no "girl-chasing" for Archie. As well, this was the time when animated cartoons on television had come under intense scrutiny by parents (specifically Peggy Charren's "Action For Children's Television", which had just been formed in 1968), and in a way, the very idea of adapting Archie to television was a response to this (where previously Filmation had adapted action-oriented comic book heroes like Superman and Aquaman). While The Archie Show went into production earlier than any "Action" against action-oriented television programs for children had actually been taken, as one of the early prime producers of those action cartoons (along with Hanna-Barbera), certainly producers Norm Prescott and Lou Scheimer had been among the first to hear the sabres rattling. As a result, all the flawed characteristics of Archie and the gang were ignored, and they became bland, model teenagers (except for the one 'black hat' character, Reggie the troublemaker, clearly portrayed as a n'eer-do-well whose actions were not to be emulated). They did have some idea of how bland they had made the characters though, and in an attempt to balance that, they figured -- well, who could object to the comical antics of a cartoon mutt who thinks like a human! As well, cartoon animals were always easier to animate for the traditional animators than realistic people.

You do have a good point about that.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 05, 2017, 02:36:07 AMKnowing a little about Lou Scheimer, the producer of the cartoon, I can tell you he was inspired in a lot of his choices for adapting existing media characters to animation by his own childhood memories, and many of those derived from the era of radio plays. THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN, when you look closely at the cartoon, took most of its cues not from the Golden Age or Silver Age comic books, but from the classic radio series The Adventures of Superman, starring Bud Collyer. That's why he hired Collyer to play the role of Clark Kent/Superman, and former announcer for the radio series Jackson Beck to do the narration (heard in the cartoon credits doing a slightly modified update of the old radio opening "Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound! ... Superman! Rocketed to Earth as an infant when the distant planet Krypton exploded, and who, disguised as Clark Kent, mild-mannered reporter for The Daily Planet, fights a never-ending battle for truth, justice and freedom, with super-powers far beyond those of ordinary mortals!"). In addition to getting Bud Collyer, Jackson Beck, and Joan Alexander (Lois) to reprise their roles for the new animated cartoon, Filmation included characters used only in the radio series like Daily Planet copyboy Beany (himself an 'Archie-type' character). Another member of the voice cast of TNAoS was Jack Grimes, famous now as the voice of Speed Racer, here reprising his role (from the latter years of the Adventures of Superman radio series) as Jimmy Olsen. As an interesting connection, Grimes had also played the role of Henry Aldrich (one of the two prime Archie Andrews prototypes, along with Mickey Rooney's Andy Hardy) of The Aldrich Family, on an early television adaptation of the radio series. (The Aldrich Family radio series had a complex evolution itself, but is well worth listening to by fans of Archie, as it gives some very interesting insight into how much the characters of Henry Aldrich and Archie Andrews shared in common.)

So when you ask yourself why the vocal characterizations for Archie and the gang in the Filmation cartoons sounded so strange, go back and listen to the voices on the old Archie Andrews radio program. Many people have wondered about the seemingly odd choice of Filmation to give the voice of Veronica (Jane Webb, who portrayed all the female voices on the show) a 'Southern Belle' accent, and that can be specifically attributed to the radio program. I think Lou Scheimer was largely working from an amalgam of hazy recollections of both the radio show and Bob Montana's newspaper strip Archie, and never even looked at the comic books of the time.

and you have a good pointt about the radio part as well     

I dunno, I don't see how a comedy Archie show would work all that well. The Archie comedy has always been, well, rather traditional and not really anything special. The 2015 reboot, I think, would have made a great tv show- all the right balance between drama and actually clever jokes and moments- when i read the first issue, i thought "This is the best TV pilot i've ever read!". While Riverdale did sort of come out of left field, I think it's going to be over the top and dramatic enough to be, if not good, at least entertaining.

Quote from: Justnobody42 on January 07, 2017, 11:17:16 PM
I dunno, I don't see how a comedy Archie show would work all that well. The Archie comedy has always been, well, rather traditional and not really anything special. The 2015 reboot, I think, would have made a great tv show- all the right balance between drama and actually clever jokes and moments- when i read the first issue, i thought "This is the best TV pilot i've ever read!". While Riverdale did sort of come out of left field, I think it's going to be over the top and dramatic enough to be, if not good, at least entertaining.

Yeah,I agree they should have made a archie drama comedy seriesbased on the reboot format heck the reboot archie comic series gives respect to the original classic version because it sometimes has drama and comedy in it.

Quote from: terrence12 on January 08, 2017, 03:31:04 AM

Quote from: Justnobody42 on January 07, 2017, 11:17:16 PM
I dunno, I don't see how a comedy Archie show would work all that well. The Archie comedy has always been, well, rather traditional and not really anything special. The 2015 reboot, I think, would have made a great tv show- all the right balance between drama and actually clever jokes and moments- when i read the first issue, i thought "This is the best TV pilot i've ever read!". While Riverdale did sort of come out of left field, I think it's going to be over the top and dramatic enough to be, if not good, at least entertaining.

Yeah,I agree they should have made a archie drama comedy seriesbased on the reboot format heck the reboot archie comic series gives respect to the original classic version because it sometimes has drama and comedy in it.

They could have made something a la Freaks and Geeks, for example. It is drama with comedic tones.

QuoteI dunno, I don't see how a comedy Archie show would work all that well. The Archie comedy has always been, well, rather traditional and not really anything special.

Why wouldn't it work? It would work quite well if they had the right writers. What's wrong with being "traditional"?? And if the Archie comedy is "nothing special" according to you, then why has it been around for so many years? Clearly they were doing something right.

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 08, 2017, 09:33:36 AM
They could have made something a la Freaks and Geeks, for example. It is drama with comedic tones.

You know that could work as well,Though i think it should be 50% comedy and 50% drama.

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 08, 2017, 09:33:36 AMWhy wouldn't it work? It would work quite well if they had the right writers. What's wrong with being "traditional"?? And if the Archie comedy is "nothing special" according to you, then why has it been around for so many years? Clearly they were doing something right.

Yeah,I am with you,Tradition is not bad I mean the comedy element in archie comics has been there for many years

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 08, 2017, 09:33:36 AM

QuoteI dunno, I don't see how a comedy Archie show would work all that well. The Archie comedy has always been, well, rather traditional and not really anything special.

Why wouldn't it work? It would work quite well if they had the right writers. What's wrong with being "traditional"?? And if the Archie comedy is "nothing special" according to you, then why has it been around for so many years? Clearly they were doing something right.

'Nothing special' describes most of the non-comedy shows on television about ordinary people (and ordinary teenagers). Once they stop being funny, I have absolutely no intrinsic interest in what Archie and his friends do in their boring teenage lives.