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Author Topic: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99  (Read 4308 times)

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DeCarlo Rules

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2018, 03:30:40 am »

Ok there may also be some grandmothers buying digests from Walmart and grocery stores who like the classic stories they read in the 60s/70s. .

Some, maybe. You're reading them (even if buying them digitally)... are you a grandmother? If that's really the main demographic, then why aren't the digests primarily filled with B&V stories from the 1960s and 1970s, for the gratification of grandmothers and ?

Instead, most of the reprinted stories are from the 1990s through 2010 or so. My guess would be that the girls who read those stories when they were new are now the young women and mothers purchasing the merchandise for themselves, or the digests for their daughters (and maybe some of those 40+ male parents too).

irishmoxie

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2018, 04:23:35 pm »

Ok there may also be some grandmothers buying digests from Walmart and grocery stores who like the classic stories they read in the 60s/70s. .

Some, maybe. You're reading them (even if buying them digitally)... are you a grandmother? If that's really the main demographic, then why aren't the digests primarily filled with B&V stories from the 1960s and 1970s, for the gratification of grandmothers and ?

Instead, most of the reprinted stories are from the 1990s through 2010 or so. My guess would be that the girls who read those stories when they were new are now the young women and mothers purchasing the merchandise for themselves, or the digests for their daughters (and maybe some of those 40+ male parents too).


I'm more of an occasional digest reader these days though I have read a lot in the past. I think the only reason they use the 90s and 00s stories is because they're already digitized and easy to reprint. A lot of the older 60s-80s stories which the grandmothers really want aren't digitized and would have to be re-colored. A lot more work for ACP who would rather make a cheap easy profit. I think the grandmothers buy the digests hoping for 1-2 of those older stories.

Shuester

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2018, 09:27:29 pm »
While this may not be an accurate indication of the comic demographic, I can confirm that at least some young girls are reading new "Archie" comics, including "Betty and Veronica." I know many families and kids who go to summer camp, and girls around 9-15 are well known in camp as Digest readers. Whether they buy their own new comics or simply share them around I don't know. My guess is a mix of both.
Basically, when you're encouraged to use non-electronics [the camps I know of do not allow campers to use anything with Internet access while on the grounds], kids will pick up books again. For many of them, that includes comic books... and for many girls, that means Archies.

DeCarlo Rules

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2018, 05:30:59 am »

Ok there may also be some grandmothers buying digests from Walmart and grocery stores who like the classic stories they read in the 60s/70s. .

Some, maybe. You're reading them (even if buying them digitally)... are you a grandmother? If that's really the main demographic, then why aren't the digests primarily filled with B&V stories from the 1960s and 1970s, for the gratification of grandmothers and ?

Instead, most of the reprinted stories are from the 1990s through 2010 or so. My guess would be that the girls who read those stories when they were new are now the young women and mothers purchasing the merchandise for themselves, or the digests for their daughters (and maybe some of those 40+ male parents too).


I'm more of an occasional digest reader these days though I have read a lot in the past. I think the only reason they use the 90s and 00s stories is because they're already digitized and easy to reprint. A lot of the older 60s-80s stories which the grandmothers really want aren't digitized and would have to be re-colored. A lot more work for ACP who would rather make a cheap easy profit. I think the grandmothers buy the digests hoping for 1-2 of those older stories.

I'll allow that the content may be influenced by the amount of digitizing work necessary -- yet at the same time, in order for the company to derive the maximum value out of its library of older content, it seems inevitable that all of that work MUST be slated for digital conversion at some time in the near future, if for no other reason than to provide the greatest potential to exploit ALL possible consumers in the demographic spectrum, regardless of the format in which those reprints will eventually appear. I think (and recent trade collections lead me to believe this is already happening) that those older stories will eventually appear in more expensive reprint formats, aimed at older readers with more disposable income.

I'd strongly suspect that the selection of content for the digests is specifically slanted towards younger readers, so as to not include so many older stories where various topical aspects of the story may alienate those younger readers or puzzle them by its unfamiliar references, fads or fashions. That's also why I think it's an ongoing concern to maintain a stream of newly-produced stories which will eventually feed into future digests, because even the currently-reprinted digest stories from recent decades continue to age, and will eventually be less palatable to younger readers.

There are a couple more observations I can make in support of my contention that the main audience of digest readers is composed of children. Now, the counter-argument here would be that at $7 a copy, kids aren't going to be wandering into stores by themselves with enough loose pocket money to purchase a Jumbo Comics digest for themselves -- adults remain the holders of the purse-strings, the enablers/approvers of their kids' reading of Archie digests, probably based on their own past experience having read them as kids. But I don't think those same parents are (for the most part) reading the digests themselves. For one thing, I notice in reading the new lead stories that they are written slightly differently, aimed slightly lower than was the case in reading the stories printed in new issues of the classic floppy comics prior to 2015 when they were discontinued in favor of the New Riverdale reboots. Second, for a while the larger digests issues were, for a couple of years there, including on a semi-regular basis the older 1950s stories (for the benefit of the grandmothers and other adult readers) labeled as "From the Vault" sections, in an obvious attempt to try to appeal to older readers, but for the last few years now those sections have disappeared -- which I can only interpret as because they didn't result in selling more copies of digests to adults, and the kids really didn't care that much for them. Thirdly, the policy of editorial tampering/alteration of the original stories when reprinted in the digests remains in effect, now as ever before. Adults can easily spot these obvious alterations, whether they're done for purposes of political correctness or for reasons of updating some archaic reference to technology, etc. and if those adults were the main readers of the digests, I don't think the editors would bother. It's just extra work for the production department, and the adult readers really don't like to see it. While I think most adults are generally in support of the idea of a racially diverse Riverdale, seeing token incidental characters randomly chosen to be re-colored in older stories as representing different races and ethnicity really isn't something most adult readers want to see, regardless of their own family genealogy. And adult readers don't need references to VCR tapes or other outdated technology clumsily re-lettered in dialogue balloons and captions, either. We accept it only with the understanding that it's being done for the younger readers, to make the stories seem a little more ethnically inclusive or less distracting by archaic topical references, for their benefit. -- but otherwise find the policy abhorrent to our sensibilities of wanting to read the stories just as they originally appeared in their first appearances in various comics. And they're still wasting valuable page space in all those digests printing those "puzzle pages" -- does ANY adult actually DO those puzzles? I have to assume they're still in there only because the kids seem to like them, and that means most of the reading audience.
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BettyReggie

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2018, 10:13:32 am »
I can't wait for this. I miss Dan Parent. I'm not crazy about the artwork in Betty & Veronica Vixens. I thought it would be better.

DeCarlo Rules

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2018, 11:07:37 am »
I can't wait for this. I miss Dan Parent. I'm not crazy about the artwork in Betty & Veronica Vixens. I thought it would be better.

Yeah, I did too, based on the cover artwork by Eva Cabrera. Her cover art seems a lot better than her interior artwork -- or is it just me?

Tuxedo Mark

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2018, 02:24:16 pm »
I can't wait for this. I miss Dan Parent. I'm not crazy about the artwork in Betty & Veronica Vixens. I thought it would be better.

Yeah, I did too, based on the cover artwork by Eva Cabrera. Her cover art seems a lot better than her interior artwork -- or is it just me?

Starting with issue #3, she seems to have switched from that weird...whatever it was from the first two issues to a more anime-inspired style. The girls' clothes and hairstyles are no longer retro either. I think it's an improvement.
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DeCarlo Rules

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2018, 03:04:12 pm »
I can't wait for this. I miss Dan Parent. I'm not crazy about the artwork in Betty & Veronica Vixens. I thought it would be better.

Yeah, I did too, based on the cover artwork by Eva Cabrera. Her cover art seems a lot better than her interior artwork -- or is it just me?

Starting with issue #3, she seems to have switched from that weird...whatever it was from the first two issues to a more anime-inspired style. The girls' clothes and hairstyles are no longer retro either. I think it's an improvement.

Given the way it's being written, I can't quite figure out how it can NOT be retro. It's sort of like some 1950s-style movie about "girls gone wild", but then they have computers, smartphones and social media. Women still have the same basic social status and are treated like they would have been in the 1950s (or maybe that's just how Jaime Rotante actually sees things). A pretty weird parallel universe that doesn't resemble our 21st century at all, except that they share some of the same technology.  I didn't actually notice any change in the art between #2 and #3, but I guess I'd have to pull them both out and compare them side-by-side.

irishmoxie

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2018, 01:31:48 am »
Harvey and Ivy meet Betty and Veronica actually kept my attention more than the Vixens series but both are series I only read if I'm bored.

DeCarlo Rules

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2018, 01:52:49 am »
Harvey and Ivy meet Betty and Veronica actually kept my attention more than the Vixens series but both are series I only read if I'm bored.

Hmm... it worked exactly the opposite for me, and by the time I had gotten to the end of H&I/B&V #1, I had completely lost interest in the idea of reading #2. Maybe that's because I DO like Harley & Ivy, and it seems like they just tossed the idea out there and handed it off to whoever was free to write and draw it, like it wasn't worth bothering to get a 'name' writer and artist. I think if that if someone like Jimmy Palmiotti and Amanda Conner had been given the assignment it could have been great, or if they'd given that series to Adam Hughes to draw and gotten a script with a sense of humor it could have worked, too. They didn't even need to involve creators who'd have put a big dent in the budget -- Chip Zdarksy (or Dan Slott) and Audrey Mok (or Guillem March) probably would have done a good job of it without breaking their bankbook. Even better if they'd gone with the animated Bruce Timm versions of Harley and Ivy and gotten someone like Ty Templeton and Rick Burchett to do it. Talk about wasted potential! It just feels like they figured they could paste the logos for H&I and B&V on the cover and sell it just on the basis of the names alone and having a few variant cover versions, and like the actual writing and artwork was more or less an afterthought. Normally I like Paul Dini as a writer, but the whole plot idea was just plain dumb.

Then, just to rub a little more salt in the wound, they had to give you just a glimpse of what the whole thing could have looked like had they chosen to travel down "the road not taken"....  >:(



I'm still waffling on VIXENS and probably won't settle on an opinion until it's over.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2018, 03:54:10 am by DeCarlo Rules »

gillibean

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2018, 08:13:15 pm »
I'm not sure who is buying that Betty and Veronica merch. It's way too expensive for the average digest reader. I suspect it's young women (20s) who are also fans of Riverdale and have deep pockets/Daddy's money and like to dress up as pin ups on a daily basis.


I'm a junior in high school, I get the digests every month, I usually cannot stand Riverdale, and do in fact have a job. If you are referring to the Betty and Veronica fashion line, I have bought from them before, and I do agree that some of it is expensive. I received a jacket as a Christmas present, but the other times I have paid for it MYSELF. I don't think I dress up as a "pin up" on a daily basis, but do agree that some of the clothes are a little much. I don't think I'm apart of the main crowd who buys these clothes, and when you go to their tagged section on instagram you can see that you're pretty much right on the money with your guess.


I just wanted to point out that I am different than the usual customers  ;)
« Last Edit: February 18, 2018, 08:15:55 pm by gillibean »

DeCarlo Rules

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2018, 01:07:32 am »
I'm not sure who is buying that Betty and Veronica merch. It's way too expensive for the average digest reader. I suspect it's young women (20s) who are also fans of Riverdale and have deep pockets/Daddy's money and like to dress up as pin ups on a daily basis.


I'm a junior in high school, I get the digests every month, I usually cannot stand Riverdale, and do in fact have a job. If you are referring to the Betty and Veronica fashion line, I have bought from them before, and I do agree that some of it is expensive. I received a jacket as a Christmas present, but the other times I have paid for it MYSELF. I don't think I dress up as a "pin up" on a daily basis, but do agree that some of the clothes are a little much. I don't think I'm apart of the main crowd who buys these clothes, and when you go to their tagged section on instagram you can see that you're pretty much right on the money with your guess.


I just wanted to point out that I am different than the usual customers  ;)

You're still in high school so I wouldn't expect that's the sort of customers they're aiming for. It's really for the fashionistas, otherwise they'd be selling that stuff at the Gap or Hot Topic or something. You've got to expect that, if they're marketing it through a fashion designer like Rachel Antonoff, so compare it to the consumer demographics for similar designers. It's not for your average people because we have all kinds of department and clothing stores for them.

You usually can't stand Riverdale the comic book, or just the show in general?

gillibean

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2018, 02:13:18 am »
You're still in high school so I wouldn't expect that's the sort of customers they're aiming for. It's really for the fashionistas, otherwise they'd be selling that stuff at the Gap or Hot Topic or something. You've got to expect that, if they're marketing it through a fashion designer like Rachel Antonoff, so compare it to the consumer demographics for similar designers. It's not for your average people because we have all kinds of department and clothing stores for them.

You usually can't stand Riverdale the comic book, or just the show in general?


Yeah, didn't think I was the target audience.


I meant the show, I'll pretty much read anything Archie comics publishes. The comics aren't amazing, but i'll take it any day over the show.


I can appreciate certain aspects of Riverdale (the show) but overall its really bad.

DeCarlo Rules

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2018, 05:07:48 am »
You're still in high school so I wouldn't expect that's the sort of customers they're aiming for. It's really for the fashionistas, otherwise they'd be selling that stuff at the Gap or Hot Topic or something. You've got to expect that, if they're marketing it through a fashion designer like Rachel Antonoff, so compare it to the consumer demographics for similar designers. It's not for your average people because we have all kinds of department and clothing stores for them.

You usually can't stand Riverdale the comic book, or just the show in general?


Yeah, didn't think I was the target audience.


I meant the show, I'll pretty much read anything Archie comics publishes. The comics aren't amazing, but i'll take it any day over the show.


I can appreciate certain aspects of Riverdale (the show) but overall its really bad.

It's interesting to hear you say that, because my assumption was that you really are in that show's target demographic. That could be a misperception on my part, and maybe the show really is skewed to an older audience in their 20s and 30s. Not that I didn't think the show was hoping to appeal to the 20s and 30s-somethings out there, but I certainly guessed that they hoped to appeal to a lot of teenagers as well. It's not the type of show that interests me, so I haven't watched it myself -- and I can certainly see where there'd be a lot of people out there who'd fall into the "just no interest" group, but the people that have been at least interested enough to give it a trial run generally seem to like it, and yours is the first opinion I've seen along the lines of "tried it, didn't care for it". I sort of appreciate your even-handedness in saying that you can appreciate "certain aspects", which tends to make me think your opinion isn't something reactionary, but a little more considered, which tends to lend it more weight to my mind.

BettyReggie

Re: Classic Betty & Veronica is BACK for $2.99
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2018, 11:12:58 am »
I don't really care for it. The covers are better the art inside.I may give to the thrift store.

 


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