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  • BettyReggie: 112 Days until Wednesday 10th 2018 ,  Riverdale Season #3 on The CW at 8pm.
    Today at 05:28:15 PM
  • Tuxedo Mark: And another one: [link]
    June 14, 2018, 08:42:07 PM
  • Tuxedo Mark: Riverdale spoof: [link]
    June 14, 2018, 08:35:22 PM
  • Tuxedo Mark: My review of "Roughing It!" from B&V Friends #262: [link]
    June 14, 2018, 08:12:53 PM
  • DeCarlo Rules: @irishmoxie -- It's definitely complete. All six of the 1958-59 Sy Reit/Bob White original issues, plus the feature-length "Good Guys of the Galaxy" by Tom DeFalco & Fernando Ruiz from ARCHIE #655, and three 5-page digest shorts that guest-starred Cosmo -- and the complete first issue of the Ian Flynn/Tracy Yarley COSMO (2017) thrown in for good measure. It follows the same layout/format as the previous JUGHEAD'S TIME POLICE, even though that didn't carry the "Archie Comics Presents..." trade dress. Not a bad buy for $11.
    June 14, 2018, 01:08:59 AM
  • irishmoxie: Anyone get the Cosmo book that came out today? Any good?
    June 13, 2018, 08:04:49 PM
  • Cosmo: Ah man....and I was worried I was the last enthusiast for ERB's stuff. I'm currently rereading my Dell Tarzan books. Really good fun! It took a while to complete that run.
    June 12, 2018, 06:51:53 PM
  • DeCarlo Rules: ...Marvel's earlier JOHN CARTER, WARLORD OF MARS in there, so the DE Tarzan comics need to go in a different box, and SHEENA (also a recent DE title) and DC's RIMA THE JUNGLE GIRL will help fill up that box.
    June 11, 2018, 07:40:48 PM
  • DeCarlo Rules: Recently. DE's unauthorized LORD OF THE JUNGLE Tarzan adaptations (and its authorized THE GREATEST ADVENTURE) won't fit into my existing box of previous Tarzan comics from Gold Key, DC, and Dark Horse, so I have to start a new box. Logically these get filed with DE's unauthorized WARLORD OF MARS comics (including DEJAH THORIS) and their authorized JOHN CARTER, WARLORD OF MARS. But I also want to squeeze Marve;
    June 11, 2018, 07:38:48 PM
  • DeCarlo Rules: Interesting. I tend not to group titles by publisher at all, if the characters were not created as work-for-hire (meaning the publisher is legally considered the 'author' of the character). Do they belong to that publisher's "universe" (assuming it has one)? There are some publishers like Dynamite Entertainment where the vast majority of the titles they publish are licensed, and thus were "inherited" from other publishers. Therefore it makes more sense to me to group them together in boxes with similar characters. Flash Gordon, The Phantom, and Mandrake comics (regardless of who the actual publisher was) go together in the same box because they're all classic adventure heroes licensed from Hearst Entertainment (formerly King Features Syndicate). Pulp fiction heroes like The Shadow, Doc Savage, and The Spider (regardless of the fact that the latter did not originate with the same publisher as the first two) also get grouped together. Space considerations allowing, Tarzan (and other Edgar Rice Burroughs adaptations) might share the same box with Sheena and Rima, but NOT with Ka-Zar, because he's a Marvel Universe character.
    June 11, 2018, 07:16:22 PM
  • rusty: I do keep all Star Trek series together in their own section and all Star Wars books together.  I also keep all 2000AD titles together and manga books get their own section.  For titles that have switched publishers, I usually keep them all with the publisher that I identify them with the most.  Tarzan has been published by a variety of publishers, but I keep them with Dell/Gold Key.  Conan is starting to get a bit close with all the success Dark Horse has had, but I still identify Conan more with Marvel.
    June 11, 2018, 06:27:26 PM
  • DeCarlo Rules: Believe it or not, I even have a box labeled "Pseudo-manga" that contains comics published by American companies and created by American creators like Astro Boy & Racer X (Now Comics), Battle of the Planets (Gold Key & Top Cow/Image), Captain Harlock (Malibu), Godzilla (Dark Horse) and Ultraman. I just want to keep those separate from the boxes of real translated manga in floppy comic format.
    June 11, 2018, 03:34:17 PM
  • DeCarlo Rules: Well. the problem is when you get titles with licensed characters that aren't owned by the publisher. So if you collect Star Trek comics, you'd have different series published by Gold Key, Marvel, DC, and IDW (and I probably missed one in there). It doesn't make sense to me to put them in different boxes by publisher, but to each his own. Disney comics would be another example. There are even some instances where if I like a certain artist enough, I will put all his work regardless of publisher or characters into one box, like Paul Gulacy, Steve Rude, or Mike Allred (and file them chronologically from older to newer, rather than alphabetically). Those are examples where my interest in the creator far exceeds my relative interest in whatever characters are involved.
    June 11, 2018, 03:14:29 PM
  • rusty: That makes sense.  There are many ways that people can file books.  What I do is file by company or category and then alphabetically within each section.  My first category is Richie Rich then Archie, then other Harvey titles, then Disney, then other humor/kids books, then by company (unless it is a company where I don't have very many books from them.  Star Trek and Star Wars each get their own section as well.  I will probably revamp a bit when I do my next major sort/merge.  The biggest section by far for me is DC.
    June 11, 2018, 09:28:59 AM
  • DeCarlo Rules: I don't even file my comics alphabetically. I file them according to how closely they're related to other titles, but it's all dependent on the number of issues I have of any given title, and what will fit into a single box. Fpr ACP comics I just put all the short-run series (whether an actual miniseries or just a not particularly successful title) into one box. Even though some of those short run series star Jughead, and I could as easily file those together with the main JUGHEAD title in another box. For longer running ACP titles, "girl" titles are sorted into different boxes than "boy" titles. Eventually when I have enough issues of BETTY (and BETTY AND ME and BETTY'S DIARY) they'll get their own box, and VERONICA will get her own box.
    June 10, 2018, 09:49:06 AM
  • rusty: I file Jughead under J and Reggie under R in all of their incarnations, though I do file the original Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen books under S since that keeps them with the Superman books and also because they kept that title throughout their entire run.  If anyone wants to look up Jughead or Reggie in Overstreet, though, they will have to look under A for the early issues.
    June 10, 2018, 07:56:27 AM
  • BettyReggie: I can't wait to get that Reggie book. It's coming out the day after my 39th Birthday.
    June 10, 2018, 06:42:06 AM
  • DeCarlo Rules: Yeah, I never understood why publishers felt the need to point that out on the covers of a comic book, like maybe someone didn't really know who REGGIE was, and might buy it just because they noticed the words "Archie's Rival" above the big letters that spelled REGGIE? Same with "Archie's Pal" or "Superman's Pal" or "Superman's Girl Friend" -- like some potential buyer wouldn't know who Jughead, Jimmy Olsen, or Lois Lane was, but would know who Archie or Superman was? Just assume you're selling the product to idiots, I guess. Is anyone really filing REGGIE under "A" for Archie's Pal in their collections??
    June 10, 2018, 05:42:02 AM
  • rusty: In it's first incarnation, Reggie was titled ARCHIE'S RIVAL, REGGIE.  It wasn't until after the title was resurrected nearly a decade later that it became REGGIE and then REGGIE AND ME.
    June 09, 2018, 10:23:13 PM
  • Tuxedo Mark: I've never understood why those old titles had "and Me" in them, anyway. Why not just name the titles after the starring characters?
    June 09, 2018, 08:17:45 PM


Author Topic: Instead of the current direction, how would YOU have saved Archie Comics?  (Read 4379 times)

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Vegan Jughead

I hear a lot of complaining about the reboots and RIVERDALE, etc, but I'm genuinely curious.  How would people on this forum have done it differently? 


I love classic Archie as much as the rest of y'all.  Trust me on that.  In a perfect world, the original house style Archie would be the best selling comic books in the world.  I think they should be.  They're my favorite comics of all time.  However, they weren't selling much.  Something had to be done.  Archie Comics chose one way.  Seems like most of the people on this forum don't like it. 


So, how would y'all have done it?  Personally I don't have any ideas.  That's why I'm asking.


Full disclosure: I'm mostly happy with the reboots and the TV show.  They're not perfect, but I don't dislike them.   


Love to hear your ideas.   

Tuxedo Mark

I don't know exactly what I would have done, but here are some ideas (whether plausible or not):

Instead of canceling the floppies, I'd cancel the digest line and, instead of just reprinting the same stories over and over, print full-sized chronological collections of every story (reissue the collections as demand warrants).

I'd also digitize every previous floppy issue and sell them cheaply on Amazon and other platforms.

I'd also collect the new stories from the digests and sell those digitally as well.

As for the floppies:

Instead of doing New Riverdale, I'd do more of a soft reboot. Older stories, published before the characters' lifetimes, wouldn't hold any weight. The stories would be more modern and relevant. But it wouldn't be a fresh start. The characters wouldn't be meeting each other for the first time.

Story lengths and art styles would vary, from 5-6 pages to 20, from Classic style to various New Look styles. The older and newer writers and artists would contribute.

I'd set up a "continuity of situations", meaning if a character is in one place or predicament in one title, it would carry through to the other titles, so we could avoid situations like Betty and Veronica globetrotting in their own title but being in Riverdale in "Archie", all during seemingly the same school year. Or Riverdale High having different principals in "Archie" and "Jughead".

The floppy titles would be:

Archie
Jughead
Betty
Veronica
Cheryl
Reggie
Sabrina
Josie and the Pussycats
Katy Keene

I'd work in Sabrina's supporting casts from the original live-action film and the various TV series (Seth, Katy Lemore, Fran, Freddie, Marnie/Jenny, Libby, Gem, Cassandra, etc.).

I'd have everyone live in Riverdale to make for easier interaction.

I'd still do the "Riverdale" TV series but without the murder plot, and each season would be only 13 episodes long. I'd introduce all of the characters right away. Between all of them, there should be enough artificial drama to fill 40+ minutes per week.
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BettyReggie

I love the reboot of each comics. But I wish Reggie & Me would be than 5 issues. I'm not crazy about The Josie & The Pussycats comic. I really just like covers. I may quit getting it. I don't get digests anymore. There's too expensive. I just buy the floppies.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2017, 12:10:31 PM by BettyReggie »

DeCarlo Rules

I'd have cancelled the floppies altogether. The comic shop market demographic that supports that format clearly isn't buying what Archie Comics is selling. Instead of trying to reinvent the characters to appeal to a marketplace demographic that has rejected them, I'd have concentrated on different formats and different avenues of distribution. That may have involved some slight degree of modernization for new stories as far as appealing to kids in the traditional audience age range, and probably a shift away from the short stories under 20+ pages. More likely the shift would be toward a standalone OGN with more pages, in a format that could be kept in print and distributed via the book trade, as opposed to comic shops. For comic shops, the high-end chronological/complete format in hardcover, starting with the very best material (Silver Age). Also all of the same stuff (and individual issues complete with ads and everything) for digital format. They could do some "best of" or character-centric or thematic collections of older stuff in the same format they were using for The Best of Archie Comics TPs (not that every collection would need to fit the 400-page format, they could try different page-count/price-point combos).

DeCarlo Rules

The floppy titles would be:

Archie
Jughead
Betty
Veronica
Cheryl
Reggie
Sabrina
Josie and the Pussycats
Katy Keene

Well you've obviously identified the major problem with Archie's floppy comic books. Betty and Veronica in a comic book together must have led to the downfall of the entire empire. Obviously those two need to stay far away from each other.

BettyReggie


It's just sad that we only gonna have 3 Betty & Veronica issues that are new. I hope they get a new artist & writer to take over. But the question is when will that happen?

Vegan Jughead


It's just sad that we only gonna have 3 Betty & Veronica issues that are new. I hope they get a new artist & writer to take over. But the question is when will that happen?

I didn't hear that BettyReggie.  Is it confirmed that number 3 is the last by Adam Hughes? 

BettyReggie

So will they start over with a new artist? Will there be another Betty & Veronica #1 since it will be totally different story arc.

I believe the stories changed a lot after Dan Decarlo, nothing really sat with me or I was ever that interested in purchasing newer issues. Everything now is super PC and the panels were just drawn
differently like no funny characters hidden in the backdrops no detail to style and fashion.
It's just kinda blah.

I don't like the Archie reboots, it totally ruins the looks and feel of Archie and I stoped buying them.

If they could bring back the vibes Dan decarlo and others of his time brought I could see a pike in sales.

I'd also like to see another animated series!   

They she also do all the issues made into big books in chronological order too!!

And how about some nice merchandise and clothing for once?
The Betty and Veronica collection is honestly garbage and does not represent who they are and their individuality!  Also way to expensive for real archie fans. 
I'm going to do a little collection based on them through my own line. I have one dress coming based on a skirt Veronica wore that's coming up for sale this month I will be posting later on!   My Instagram is @rebelloveclothing if you want to follow it and see the collection once it comes out!


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Vegan Jughead

So will they start over with a new artist? Will there be another Betty & Veronica #1 since it will be totally different story arc.

BettyReggie, I honestly haven't heard that they're replacing Adam Hughes as the artist.  Where did you hear this?  Do you have a link?

Tuxedo Mark

The floppy titles would be:

Archie
Jughead
Betty
Veronica
Cheryl
Reggie
Sabrina
Josie and the Pussycats
Katy Keene

Well you've obviously identified the major problem with Archie's floppy comic books. Betty and Veronica in a comic book together must have led to the downfall of the entire empire. Obviously those two need to stay far away from each other.

Meh. I just meant, with floppies not money-makers, it'd be pointless to have a title for a B&V team-up. They can interact in their solo titles.
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Every episode of "Riverdale", "The New Archies", and "Archie's Weird Mysteries" reviewed.
My digital wish list
https://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/14FS742SI1R5I

steveinthecity

Aside from some experimentation with format options, I'd have allowed the pool of creators to actually control the content.  I think there was too much meddling from the top that left the artists and writers hamstrung. 
Comics!

I would like to see a cartoon.

DeCarlo Rules

The floppy titles would be:

Archie
Jughead
Betty
Veronica
Cheryl
Reggie
Sabrina
Josie and the Pussycats
Katy Keene

Well you've obviously identified the major problem with Archie's floppy comic books. Betty and Veronica in a comic book together must have led to the downfall of the entire empire. Obviously those two need to stay far away from each other.

Meh. I just meant, with floppies not money-makers, it'd be pointless to have a title for a B&V team-up. They can interact in their solo titles.

So basically you're just wanting to return to what they were publishing circa 1982 before they cancelled all of the titles on your list (but with the addition of Veronica and Cheryl in their own titles, which didn't happen until later), but MINUS a BETTY & VERONICA title, which has a longer track record of selling than anything else but ARCHIE and JUGHEAD. Never mind that for a lot of their shared running time, B&V was outselling both of those titles. It is, in fact, the chemistry between the two girls (rather than the simple formula of adding Betty's popularity as a character to Veronica's popularity) that made that title a best-seller for ACP that outlasted JUGHEAD by three years (not to mention all the other titles on your list that were cancelled sooner, including their own solo titles). You just seem to want to ignore reality here, in favor of your own personal wish-fulfillment.

It's all well and good to play the fantasy wishing game and say "I wish they'd just start publishing all those titles/characters I like again", but you're not really identifying or offering any solutions to the problem of why ACP floppy titles aren't selling. Adding continuity to all the titles may please you, but it isn't going to make them sell any better.

You're just not getting it. The only place floppy comics sell is in comic book shops. But the comic shop customer doesn't want Archie Comics -- or any humor comic, really. If humor comics sold, Marvel and DC would have established ongoing titles in that genre. The only reason DC even publishes things like Looney Tunes or Scooby-Doo or Teen Titans GO! as floppy comics is that DC's main audience includes parents who buy DC's comics aimed at older readers, who are also encouraging their kids to read comics by buying those titles for them. Those comics DC can afford to publish at close to break-even, just to seed an upcoming generation of comic readers (and to tell the truth, half the sales of those comics are probably coming from older nostalgic adults who buy them for themselves).

On the other hand, the only thing that IS selling for ACP, the digests -- if less than in their heyday, still far better than the floppies, and far more profitable at higher cover prices -- you want to cancel, presumably for no other reason than that they don't interest you personally.

No, what ACP should have done, after cancelling one floppy title after another, is they should have started tranferring all that new content (20-25 pages worth) into all the digest titles. To encourage print digest sales, they shouldn't sell a digital version of the digests. They could make the new content from the digest issues available later (6 months to a year) as a digital single, for $2 -- but if you want those new stories earlier, you need to buy the print digest.

They obviously can't do that now, since they cut all their freelancers loose except for Dan Parent (who couldn't fill 80-100 new pages needed to fill the digests with a floppy comic's worth of new content every month).

Tuxedo Mark

No, what ACP should have done, after cancelling one floppy title after another, is they should have started tranferring all that new content (20-25 pages worth) into all the digest titles. To encourage print digest sales, they shouldn't sell a digital version of the digests. They could make the new content from the digest issues available later (6 months to a year) as a digital single, for $2 -- but if you want those new stories earlier, you need to buy the print digest.

Meh, I'm not a fan of the "delay digital to get you to use the old format" tactic. Heck, I was pissed when The CW used to wait 8 days before putting a new episode online. Now, it's the more reasonable day after.

If floppies don't sell anywhere other than comic shops, ditch the physical format entirely and go digital-only. That way, customers can have a 20-page story (or a group of stories totaling 20 pages) for around $3.99 (heck, maybe less) and wouldn't have to pay shipping costs or deal with packaging. For anyone that really wants a physical copy, Archie Comics could set up a POD service.
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