Quote from: SAGG on June 19, 2016, 07:00:02 AM
I still can't quite believe I'm reading that Ruiz, Gisele, and several of the other current Classic Archie artists are no longer at Archie Comics. It still hasn't really hit me yet...

Technically, I'm still working freelance for Archie, and roughly with the same amount of work too. I never got more than a story or two a year from them (in some cases, I did have to pass on work too.) There was never that much work to go around in my regards even when there was more stories being told in the classic style.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 19, 2016, 11:12:44 AM
Man, I don't know. Goldwater was pretty brutal on everything the company published before he got there in 2009 in that article you linked. He practically disowns it, and in the process gives classic Archie creators a backhand slap in the face. Pretty much grabs the lion's share of the credit for KEVIN KELLER for himself in the process, too.

Maybe Goldwater is a self-loathing closet-dweller that doesn't want to come out. 

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 19, 2016, 11:12:44 AM

Quote from: spazaru on June 19, 2016, 07:43:13 AM

Quote from: SAGG on June 19, 2016, 07:00:02 AM
I still can't quite believe I'm reading that Ruiz, Gisele, and several of the other current Classic Archie artists are no longer at Archie Comics. It still hasn't really hit me yet...

It's a drag for sure.  I really enjoy the reboots but I hold out hope that a place will be made for more classic stuff in the future.

Man, I don't know. Goldwater was pretty brutal on everything the company published before he got there in 2009 in that article you linked. He practically disowns it, and in the process gives classic Archie creators a backhand slap in the face. Pretty much grabs the lion's share of the credit for KEVIN KELLER for himself in the process, too.

I know.  I didn't like his tone either.  Not to sound like an economist with no soul, but the market will determine what happens.  If the reboots continue to shrink in sales, they'll have to try something else.  I have no idea what that would be.  I think the B&V and Josie reboots will sell huge at first, but after that, who knows?

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 19, 2016, 11:12:44 AM

Quote from: spazaru on June 19, 2016, 07:43:13 AM

Quote from: SAGG on June 19, 2016, 07:00:02 AM
I still can't quite believe I'm reading that Ruiz, Gisele, and several of the other current Classic Archie artists are no longer at Archie Comics. It still hasn't really hit me yet...

It's a drag for sure.  I really enjoy the reboots but I hold out hope that a place will be made for more classic stuff in the future.

Man, I don't know. Goldwater was pretty brutal on everything the company published before he got there in 2009 in that article you linked. He practically disowns it, and in the process gives classic Archie creators a backhand slap in the face. Pretty much grabs the lion's share of the credit for KEVIN KELLER for himself in the process, too.

That sounds an awful like what Stan Lee did, taking credit for creating the Classic Marvel superhero characters in the early 60's and leaving Jack Kirby in the dust....

Quote from: SAGG on June 19, 2016, 04:22:11 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 19, 2016, 11:12:44 AM

Quote from: spazaru on June 19, 2016, 07:43:13 AM

Quote from: SAGG on June 19, 2016, 07:00:02 AM
I still can't quite believe I'm reading that Ruiz, Gisele, and several of the other current Classic Archie artists are no longer at Archie Comics. It still hasn't really hit me yet...

It's a drag for sure.  I really enjoy the reboots but I hold out hope that a place will be made for more classic stuff in the future.

Man, I don't know. Goldwater was pretty brutal on everything the company published before he got there in 2009 in that article you linked. He practically disowns it, and in the process gives classic Archie creators a backhand slap in the face. Pretty much grabs the lion's share of the credit for KEVIN KELLER for himself in the process, too.

That sounds an awful like what Stan Lee did, taking credit for creating the Classic Marvel superhero characters in the early 60's and leaving Jack Kirby in the dust....

Um... not really, though. At least Stan Lee was there, he edited and wrote the actual books (or many of them, anyway). He never really tried to grab the credit for creating everything. He gives credit to the artists involved. It's just that it's difficult for people to understand the process by which these things came into existence, and in hindsight after so many years, it's really difficult to make people understand that it was a collaborative process. Of course, Marvel owns everything... but even Stan Lee has had his legal battles with Marvel over things. As a writer/editor, he had his fingers in a lot of those characters, but he never claims that people like Kirby and Ditko were some sort of 'art robots' who just did what he programmed them to do.


The REAL analogy here? "Like father, like son" (or grandson). Or, "The leaf doesn't fall far from the tree." The Goldwaters are the business end. They're publishers, not writers and artists. They don't "create", they merely issue directives or give approvals on ideas. So if Jon Goldwater is trying to puff himself up as some sort of visionary who is responsible for introducing Kevin Keller to the world and Dan Parent is just a cog in his machine, it's no different than John L. Goldwater claiming to be the "creator" of Archie, and Bob Montana was just a guy who dreamed up faces for the characters, a footsoldier following Goldwater's marching orders. Fernando Ruiz was right -- ACP treats and has treated its creators horribly.

I just hope we more than 6 covers to choose from. I hope by Wednesday we see more covers.

Quote from: BettyReggie on June 19, 2016, 09:01:50 PM
I just hope we more than 6 covers to choose from. I hope by Wednesday we see more covers.

They've shown 9 up to now as far as I know. Maybe they'll do retailer exclusives.

Quote from: BettyReggie on June 19, 2016, 09:01:50 PM
I just hope we more than 6 covers to choose from. I hope by Wednesday we see more covers.

Have more covers leaked? I've only seen 4.


Btw, do artists make any royalties off their variant covers per copy sold or is a one time payment? Do they mostly just do variant covers for the exposure?

These are only ones I can find.

There are 9 covers shown in this very thread.

again...Josie And the pussycats could have been done during the Hannah Montana Phase yet they waited until now?....

i don't see the reason why

Most likely to avoid the competition with Disney ...

and now? it doesn't really seem like OH nows the best time for Josie And The Pussycats

A funny picture from ARCHIE #9

Josie & the Pussycats brand Grape wine.....