Synopsis: Jughead discovers an anonymous buyer for the drive-in plans to tear it down and launches a battle to keep it open; Betty's friendship with Archie takes a hit after she uncovers shocking information about Miss Grundy's past. Meanwhile, Veronica confronts her mother about a suspicious meeting between her and a shady Southside Serpent; and after uncovering Betty's diary, Alice seizes the opportunity to destroy Archie's golden-boy image.


Review:  Aside from the anti gun Propaganda, this was a good episode.  The ending surprised me, as I never really thought of Jug as living at the drive in.  He homeless now.  His father is a gang banger.  Wonder what next week will be like!

This episode wasn't as bad as the last one, but it was more boring. I started dozing off and had to play it over again.


Kevin Keller is like a gay marionette. Whoever changed his character should be shot.


I would have been glad two weeks ago for the news about Ms. Grundy, but after what they did to Chuck I'm disgusted they're salvaging every character but him. 

It's not anti-gun propaganda for people to react to finding the gun hidden away in a lockbox in the car of a shady person, especially when they and their friends are in the middle of a murder investigation involving a gun.


I actually like how Kevin is being portrayed. I always wished that he had a bad boy boyfriend in the comic books -- a real bad boy boyfriend as opposed to Devon who was usually just surly.


Also, I was excited to see Lochlyn Munro in this episode as Betty's dad. I've had a crush on him since I first saw him in "Dead Man on Campus" in the 90s!

I liked the episode as well,  I believe that the show is settling into a steadier pace now.  This was the first real Jughead episode we have had and they gave him a lot of background.  I enjoyed seeing Skeet Ulrich as Jughead's father, I think that was an interesting casting choice. 

I had the show on but wasn't paying attention 'cause I really don't care about it, just wanna see how they are screwing the characters up. Anyway, so did that Grundy kill the real Miss Grundy or what? Or is she really the real Miss Grundy?

She's not the real Grundy, but had assumed her identity.  She's gone now.

I think she come back because the affair with Archie.

Here are my thoughts:

Cheryl's a bitch to Veronica's mom and Veronica, but it turns out that she was right to be suspicious of Hermione.

LOL at Cheryl inviting herself to sit with Veronica at the drive-in. (And Cheryl sucking on that Twizzler / Red Vine was yummy.) I guess, for all of her talk about wanting Veronica to remember her place, she isn't ashamed to be seen hanging out with her, not even on the back of a pick-up truck.

I expected some kind of Cheryl/Veronica scene after Cheryl sent Kevin away for snacks, but nothing happened.

Why, why, WHY did Betty take the gun home with her?! (Fun fact: I wrote a fanfic back in 1999 in which Betty bought a gun and hid it in her dresser drawer, but at least that was somewhat justified - if ill-conceived.)

So Cheryl and Kevin definitely drive. Heck, Cheryl had TWO driving scenes in this episode. I guess the show really is saying they turned 16 over the summer before sophomore year. Did anyone here know any kids in that situation in high school?

So I guess Ms. Grundy is gone. I actually didn't mind the storyline, even though some people found it squicky. Then again, I ship Cybersix/Lori. Anyone remember "Cybersix"?

Jughead's a movie buff. This is consistent with his portrayal on "Archie's Weird Mysteries" - but broader. On that show, he was just into horror movies.

Betty keeps a diary. Does anyone know any teens today that keep handwritten diaries?

Quote from: JonInIowaCity on February 17, 2017, 08:31:27 AM
I actually like how Kevin is being portrayed. I always wished that he had a bad boy boyfriend in the comic books -- a real bad boy boyfriend as opposed to Devon who was usually just surly.

I get more of a bad vibe from Kevin than Joaquin. Joaquin seems like a diamond in the rough. I feel nothing for Kevin, as if he is empty inside. Maybe I just don't like his cutesy behavior so much I wonder if there's something bad behind it. There is something amoral about him.

Quote from: Tuxedo Mark on February 17, 2017, 03:17:42 PM
Here are my thoughts:

Cheryl's a bitch to Veronica's mom and Veronica, but it turns out that she was right to be suspicious of Hermione.

LOL at Cheryl inviting herself to sit with Veronica at the drive-in. (And Cheryl sucking on that Twizzler / Red Vine was yummy.) I guess, for all of her talk about wanting Veronica to remember her place, she isn't ashamed to be seen hanging out with her, not even on the back of a pick-up truck.

I expected some kind of Cheryl/Veronica scene after Cheryl sent Kevin away for snacks, but nothing happened.

Why, why, WHY did Betty take the gun home with her?! (Fun fact: I wrote a fanfic back in 1999 in which Betty bought a gun and hid it in her dresser drawer, but at least that was somewhat justified - if ill-conceived.)

So Cheryl and Kevin definitely drive. Heck, Cheryl had TWO driving scenes in this episode. I guess the show really is saying they turned 16 over the summer before sophomore year. Did anyone here know any kids in that situation in high school?

So I guess Ms. Grundy is gone. I actually didn't mind the storyline, even though some people found it squicky. Then again, I ship Cybersix/Lori. Anyone remember "Cybersix"?

Jughead's a movie buff. This is consistent with his portrayal on "Archie's Weird Mysteries" - but broader. On that show, he was just into horror movies.

Betty keeps a diary. Does anyone know any teens today that keep handwritten diaries?

My son is 16 and he has friends with their licenses as sophomores. Like Kevin, they borrow their wheels from their parents.

Quote from: carrotz on February 17, 2017, 04:47:33 PM

Quote from: JonInIowaCity on February 17, 2017, 08:31:27 AM
I actually like how Kevin is being portrayed. I always wished that he had a bad boy boyfriend in the comic books -- a real bad boy boyfriend as opposed to Devon who was usually just surly.

I get more of a bad vibe from Kevin than Joaquin. Joaquin seems like a diamond in the rough. I feel nothing for Kevin, as if he is empty inside. Maybe I just don't like his cutesy behavior so much I wonder if there's something bad behind it. There is something amoral about him.

It's "Riverdale." Of course there's something amoral hidden within Kevin.

I do not get that feeling from Joaquin or any of the other characters, except Betty a little. They market Riverdale as everyone not being what they seem, so the characters who seem evil like Cheryl might turn out not to be and the characters who seem nice like Betty and Kevin might be bad or hollow inside. I also don't like Kevin and Betty now (though I like Kevin in the comics). I may be influenced, but I still get a bad sense from them.


I wonder why they didn't cast someone like the Joaquin actor as Kevin, or just have Joaquin as the main gay character. The show is supposed to be diverse, but even though they changed Kevin's hair color they kept him white.

Quote from: JonInIowaCity on February 17, 2017, 04:57:16 PM

Quote from: Tuxedo Mark on February 17, 2017, 03:17:42 PM
Here are my thoughts:

Cheryl's a bitch to Veronica's mom and Veronica, but it turns out that she was right to be suspicious of Hermione.

LOL at Cheryl inviting herself to sit with Veronica at the drive-in. (And Cheryl sucking on that Twizzler / Red Vine was yummy.) I guess, for all of her talk about wanting Veronica to remember her place, she isn't ashamed to be seen hanging out with her, not even on the back of a pick-up truck.

I expected some kind of Cheryl/Veronica scene after Cheryl sent Kevin away for snacks, but nothing happened.

Why, why, WHY did Betty take the gun home with her?! (Fun fact: I wrote a fanfic back in 1999 in which Betty bought a gun and hid it in her dresser drawer, but at least that was somewhat justified - if ill-conceived.)

So Cheryl and Kevin definitely drive. Heck, Cheryl had TWO driving scenes in this episode. I guess the show really is saying they turned 16 over the summer before sophomore year. Did anyone here know any kids in that situation in high school?

So I guess Ms. Grundy is gone. I actually didn't mind the storyline, even though some people found it squicky. Then again, I ship Cybersix/Lori. Anyone remember "Cybersix"?

Jughead's a movie buff. This is consistent with his portrayal on "Archie's Weird Mysteries" - but broader. On that show, he was just into horror movies.

Betty keeps a diary. Does anyone know any teens today that keep handwritten diaries?

My son is 16 and he has friends with their licenses as sophomores. Like Kevin, they borrow their wheels from their parents.

They have their license at the beginning of their sophomore year?

Quote from: carrotz on February 17, 2017, 05:21:13 PM

Quote from: JonInIowaCity on February 17, 2017, 04:57:16 PM

Quote from: Tuxedo Mark on February 17, 2017, 03:17:42 PM
Here are my thoughts:

Cheryl's a bitch to Veronica's mom and Veronica, but it turns out that she was right to be suspicious of Hermione.

LOL at Cheryl inviting herself to sit with Veronica at the drive-in. (And Cheryl sucking on that Twizzler / Red Vine was yummy.) I guess, for all of her talk about wanting Veronica to remember her place, she isn't ashamed to be seen hanging out with her, not even on the back of a pick-up truck.

I expected some kind of Cheryl/Veronica scene after Cheryl sent Kevin away for snacks, but nothing happened.

Why, why, WHY did Betty take the gun home with her?! (Fun fact: I wrote a fanfic back in 1999 in which Betty bought a gun and hid it in her dresser drawer, but at least that was somewhat justified - if ill-conceived.)

So Cheryl and Kevin definitely drive. Heck, Cheryl had TWO driving scenes in this episode. I guess the show really is saying they turned 16 over the summer before sophomore year. Did anyone here know any kids in that situation in high school?

So I guess Ms. Grundy is gone. I actually didn't mind the storyline, even though some people found it squicky. Then again, I ship Cybersix/Lori. Anyone remember "Cybersix"?

Jughead's a movie buff. This is consistent with his portrayal on "Archie's Weird Mysteries" - but broader. On that show, he was just into horror movies.

Betty keeps a diary. Does anyone know any teens today that keep handwritten diaries?

My son is 16 and he has friends with their licenses as sophomores. Like Kevin, they borrow their wheels from their parents.

They have their license at the beginning of their sophomore year?

Well, Jughead said in this episode that it's been only a week since Jason's body was found, so time is moving very slowly on this series. Also, Jason's body was found soon after the school year started.

Also, Jason was shown driving on July 4.

Quote from: carrotz on February 17, 2017, 05:21:13 PM

Quote from: JonInIowaCity on February 17, 2017, 04:57:16 PM

Quote from: Tuxedo Mark on February 17, 2017, 03:17:42 PM
Here are my thoughts:

Cheryl's a bitch to Veronica's mom and Veronica, but it turns out that she was right to be suspicious of Hermione.

LOL at Cheryl inviting herself to sit with Veronica at the drive-in. (And Cheryl sucking on that Twizzler / Red Vine was yummy.) I guess, for all of her talk about wanting Veronica to remember her place, she isn't ashamed to be seen hanging out with her, not even on the back of a pick-up truck.

I expected some kind of Cheryl/Veronica scene after Cheryl sent Kevin away for snacks, but nothing happened.

Why, why, WHY did Betty take the gun home with her?! (Fun fact: I wrote a fanfic back in 1999 in which Betty bought a gun and hid it in her dresser drawer, but at least that was somewhat justified - if ill-conceived.)

So Cheryl and Kevin definitely drive. Heck, Cheryl had TWO driving scenes in this episode. I guess the show really is saying they turned 16 over the summer before sophomore year. Did anyone here know any kids in that situation in high school?

So I guess Ms. Grundy is gone. I actually didn't mind the storyline, even though some people found it squicky. Then again, I ship Cybersix/Lori. Anyone remember "Cybersix"?

Jughead's a movie buff. This is consistent with his portrayal on "Archie's Weird Mysteries" - but broader. On that show, he was just into horror movies.

Betty keeps a diary. Does anyone know any teens today that keep handwritten diaries?

My son is 16 and he has friends with their licenses as sophomores. Like Kevin, they borrow their wheels from their parents.

They have their license at the beginning of their sophomore year?

Some. Yes.