On this week's episode, I'll be running down my top 5 favorite characters outside of the core five. With the exception of Archie, Jughead, Betty, Veronica, and Reggie, who are your favorite characters? I'd love to see your lists and share them on the show!
Thanks!
I'm not sure if you were thinking of this in terms of characters that would be considered 'secondary' or 'supporting' characters (like Pop Tate, Mr. Lodge, or Cheryl Blossom) ONLY in those titles that are Archie-centric...
Because my favorites are really the characters from the other series within the Archieverse.
1. Sabrina
2&3. (tie) Melody & Pepper
4&5. (tie) Alex & Alexandra
But if you were really thinking of the ARCHIE secondary/supporting players, I guess I could make a different list.
Any characters outside of those five. I was thinking supporting characters as well as other titles, Josie, That Wilkin Boy, Suzie, etc. Thanks for the clarification!
In no particular order:
- Trula Twyst — always fun to see her match wits with Jughead ;D
- Dilton Doiley — also fun for the weirdness and strange inventions that make the gang's life interesting ::)
- Cheryl Blossom — obvious, but irresistible ... :)
- 'Jellybean' Jones — for a change of pace ...
- Wendy Weatherbee — for the dynamic it adds ...
Of course there's Sabrina, the Pussycats (and Alexandra), Moose & Midge, Ethel ... there's another worthy 5 right there ...
1. Sabrina
2. Valerie
3. Cheryl Blossom
4. Melody
5. Alexandra
Um, first what is The Riverdale Podcast?
I haven't been reading that long, and have only really read the new stuff but I will try and give a top 5.
1. Kevin Keller
2. Sheila Wu
3. January McAndrews
4. Dilton Doliey
5. Pop Tate
Quote from: GingerGal on April 24, 2016, 11:39:48 AM
Um, first what is The Riverdale Podcast?
Riverdale Podcast (http://riverdalepodcast.com)
Quote from: JonInIowaCity on April 24, 2016, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 24, 2016, 11:39:48 AM
Um, first what is The Riverdale Podcast?
Riverdale Podcast (http://riverdalepodcast.com)
Thanx, JonInIowaCity. I guess it is a podcast where someone talks about Archie comics. I will have to check it out. Thanx for the link.
1-Cheryl Blossom
2-Adam-Betty's other boyfriend
3-Fred Mirth -Life With Archie
4-Jason Blossom
5-Betty's employee at her job in Life with Archie
Quote from: GingerGal on April 24, 2016, 11:39:48 AM
Um, first what is The Riverdale Podcast?
I haven't been reading that long, and have only really read the new stuff but I will try and give a top 5.
1. Kevin Keller
2. Sheila Wu
3. January McAndrews
4. Dilton Doliey
5. Pop Tate
The Riverdale Podcast is a podcast (okay, I'm just assuming you know what that is) where Jonathan Merrifield talks about Archie Comics (and occasionally related things). "Sometimes it's a new Archie comic book, sometimes it's an old Archie comic book", as he says, along with news and new releases from the world of Archie Comics.
I think your list is very interesting. I haven't read all those New Riverdale issues, so I mainly just know the old versions of those characters. I thought it was interesting to see January McAndrews as your 3rd favorite (apart from the main five, I guess) because she's a relatively minor character in the older comics (but I like her).
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Quote from: GingerGal on April 24, 2016, 11:39:48 AM
Um, first what is The Riverdale Podcast?
I haven't been reading that long, and have only really read the new stuff but I will try and give a top 5.
1. Kevin Keller
2. Sheila Wu
3. January McAndrews
4. Dilton Doliey
5. Pop Tate
The Riverdale Podcast is a podcast (okay, I'm just assuming you know what that is) where Jonathan Merrifield talks about Archie Comics (and occasionally related things). "Sometimes it's a new Archie comic book, sometimes it's an old Archie comic book", as he says, along with news and new releases from the world of Archie Comics.
I think your list is very interesting. I haven't read all those New Riverdale issues, so I mainly just know the old versions of those characters. I thought it was interesting to see January McAndrews as your 3rd favorite (apart from the main five, I guess) because she's a relatively minor character in the older comics (but I like her).
Yep, I know what a Podcast is. I looked at the link and it looks really cool. I will take a listen later today. I really like January McAndrews because she can time travel which I think is really neat. I also like her lots because she has a lot of faith in Jughead. Kevin Keller is very nice, but also speaks his mind and stands for something which I think is awesome. Sheila Wu is such a fashion plate and tries so hard in the one Archie issue to transform Betty into a girly girl. Dilton seems like a really loyal friend to Jughead next to Archie. He is also super smart which always can help when you are in a jam which Jughead seems to be in a lot. Pop Tate is just so nice to everybody. He just seems to looks at all these kids as his own kids.
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Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 24, 2016, 01:14:59 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 24, 2016, 11:39:48 AM
Um, first what is The Riverdale Podcast?
I haven't been reading that long, and have only really read the new stuff but I will try and give a top 5.
1. Kevin Keller
2. Sheila Wu
3. January McAndrews
4. Dilton Doliey
5. Pop Tate
The Riverdale Podcast is a podcast (okay, I'm just assuming you know what that is) where Jonathan Merrifield talks about Archie Comics (and occasionally related things). "Sometimes it's a new Archie comic book, sometimes it's an old Archie comic book", as he says, along with news and new releases from the world of Archie Comics.
I think your list is very interesting. I haven't read all those New Riverdale issues, so I mainly just know the old versions of those characters. I thought it was interesting to see January McAndrews as your 3rd favorite (apart from the main five, I guess) because she's a relatively minor character in the older comics (but I like her).
Yep, I know what a Podcast is. I looked at the link and it looks really cool. I will take a listen later today. I really like January McAndrews because she can time travel which I think is really neat. I also like her lots because she has a lot of faith in Jughead. Kevin Keller is very nice, but also speaks his mind and stands for something which I think is awesome. Sheila Wu is such a fashion plate and tries so hard in the one Archie issue to transform Betty into a girly girl. Dilton seems like a really loyal friend to Jughead next to Archie. He is also super smart which always can help when you are in a jam which Jughead seems to be in a lot. Pop Tate is just so nice to everybody. He just seems to looks at all these kids as his own kids.
I can see you spent some time thinking about why you like these characters, and I like your reasons. In the older comics, I think January was only in 8 stories (there might have been a couple of very minor appearances outside of those 8, where she was a main character, and the co-star of the story along with Jughead). I don't remember if they mentioned this in the new JUGHEAD, but January is the direct descendant of Archie Andrews from the 29th Century. In the old comics she's a Marshal in the Time Police, and that makes her technically Jughead's boss (he's a new recruit, so he's only a Deputy Marshal), but she falls in love with him (and he does with her, as well). It might not be exactly the same in the new comics, I just thought you'd be interested to know. Most people seem to think that in the new comics, Jughead just has a dream about her, and that she's not real. I might have a different opinion on that topic.
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Quote from: GingerGal on April 24, 2016, 01:22:13 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 24, 2016, 01:14:59 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 24, 2016, 11:39:48 AM
Um, first what is The Riverdale Podcast?
I haven't been reading that long, and have only really read the new stuff but I will try and give a top 5.
1. Kevin Keller
2. Sheila Wu
3. January McAndrews
4. Dilton Doliey
5. Pop Tate
The Riverdale Podcast is a podcast (okay, I'm just assuming you know what that is) where Jonathan Merrifield talks about Archie Comics (and occasionally related things). "Sometimes it's a new Archie comic book, sometimes it's an old Archie comic book", as he says, along with news and new releases from the world of Archie Comics.
I think your list is very interesting. I haven't read all those New Riverdale issues, so I mainly just know the old versions of those characters. I thought it was interesting to see January McAndrews as your 3rd favorite (apart from the main five, I guess) because she's a relatively minor character in the older comics (but I like her).
Yep, I know what a Podcast is. I looked at the link and it looks really cool. I will take a listen later today. I really like January McAndrews because she can time travel which I think is really neat. I also like her lots because she has a lot of faith in Jughead. Kevin Keller is very nice, but also speaks his mind and stands for something which I think is awesome. Sheila Wu is such a fashion plate and tries so hard in the one Archie issue to transform Betty into a girly girl. Dilton seems like a really loyal friend to Jughead next to Archie. He is also super smart which always can help when you are in a jam which Jughead seems to be in a lot. Pop Tate is just so nice to everybody. He just seems to looks at all these kids as his own kids.
I can see you spent some time thinking about why you like these characters, and I like your reasons. In the older comics, I think January was only in 8 stories (there might have been a couple of very minor appearances outside of those 8, where she was a main character, and the co-star of the story along with Jughead). I don't remember if they mentioned this in the new JUGHEAD, but January is the direct descendant of Archie Andrews from the 29th Century. In the old comics she's a Marshal in the Time Police, and that makes her technically Jughead's boss (he's a new recruit, so he's only a Deputy Marshal), but she falls in love with him (and he does with her, as well). It might not be exactly the same in the new comics, I just thought you'd be interested to know. Most people seem to think that in the new comics, Jughead just has a dream about her, and that she's not real. I might have a different opinion on that topic.
I don't remember if they do mention that she is a descedant to Archie. I do remember that the villain they are after is a descendant of Reggie though. In the new Jughead story January goes to kiss Jughead after he saves the day and he disappears at that very moment back to the present time. Convenient for Jughead, huh?
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Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 24, 2016, 01:51:06 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 24, 2016, 01:22:13 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 24, 2016, 01:14:59 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 24, 2016, 11:39:48 AM
Um, first what is The Riverdale Podcast?
I haven't been reading that long, and have only really read the new stuff but I will try and give a top 5.
1. Kevin Keller
2. Sheila Wu
3. January McAndrews
4. Dilton Doliey
5. Pop Tate
The Riverdale Podcast is a podcast (okay, I'm just assuming you know what that is) where Jonathan Merrifield talks about Archie Comics (and occasionally related things). "Sometimes it's a new Archie comic book, sometimes it's an old Archie comic book", as he says, along with news and new releases from the world of Archie Comics.
I think your list is very interesting. I haven't read all those New Riverdale issues, so I mainly just know the old versions of those characters. I thought it was interesting to see January McAndrews as your 3rd favorite (apart from the main five, I guess) because she's a relatively minor character in the older comics (but I like her).
Yep, I know what a Podcast is. I looked at the link and it looks really cool. I will take a listen later today. I really like January McAndrews because she can time travel which I think is really neat. I also like her lots because she has a lot of faith in Jughead. Kevin Keller is very nice, but also speaks his mind and stands for something which I think is awesome. Sheila Wu is such a fashion plate and tries so hard in the one Archie issue to transform Betty into a girly girl. Dilton seems like a really loyal friend to Jughead next to Archie. He is also super smart which always can help when you are in a jam which Jughead seems to be in a lot. Pop Tate is just so nice to everybody. He just seems to looks at all these kids as his own kids.
I can see you spent some time thinking about why you like these characters, and I like your reasons. In the older comics, I think January was only in 8 stories (there might have been a couple of very minor appearances outside of those 8, where she was a main character, and the co-star of the story along with Jughead). I don't remember if they mentioned this in the new JUGHEAD, but January is the direct descendant of Archie Andrews from the 29th Century. In the old comics she's a Marshal in the Time Police, and that makes her technically Jughead's boss (he's a new recruit, so he's only a Deputy Marshal), but she falls in love with him (and he does with her, as well). It might not be exactly the same in the new comics, I just thought you'd be interested to know. Most people seem to think that in the new comics, Jughead just has a dream about her, and that she's not real. I might have a different opinion on that topic.
I don't remember if they do mention that she is a descedant to Archie. I do remember that the villain they are after is a descendant of Reggie though. In the new Jughead story January goes to kiss Jughead after he saves the day and he disappears at that very moment back to the present time. Convenient for Jughead, huh?
More importantly, it's convenient for Jughead
fans who get upset if he seems to have a girlfriend. That was always a source of controversy over the old comics in which January appeared as well, because Jughead appeared in the regular Archie Comics, while January only really appeared in the stories in JUGHEAD'S TIME POLICE, and was never mentioned (by Jughead or anyone else) in stories outside of that. Is she real? Or just a figment of Jughead's overactive imagination? That seems to be what most people think. But if you could
really travel through time, you could probably make people think a lot of things they really saw were "just imaginary". Time travel allows you to appear and disappear at will, or go back in time and change something that already happened (because you saw it happen) and prevent it from happening. Maybe even use 29th Century technology to 'magically' erase someone's memory.
Speaking of appearances and characters who appear in one series, while never being referred to in another, have you ever wondered why in JUGHEAD, Riverdale High is taken over by the evil Principal Stanger, while over in ARCHIE, everything at the school seems to be normal and Stanger isn't mentioned? It's almost as if one of those stories was taking place in a different alternate timeline or something...
Keep in mind that I enjoy reading old MLJ titles online when checking out my list of favorites:
1. Kevin Keller
2. Cosmo the Merry Martian
3. Dotty and Ditto
4. Jinx (the teen version much more than the 'Lil version)
5. Sam Hill
Quote from: JonInIowaCity on April 24, 2016, 02:45:00 PM
Keep in mind that I enjoy reading old MLJ titles online when checking out my list of favorites:
1. Kevin Keller
2. Cosmo the Merry Martian
3. Dotty and Ditto
4. Jinx (the teen version much more than the 'Lil version)
5. Sam Hill
JINX was a reboot that I really liked. I wish they'd found a way for that character to continue somehow, either in the back of another comic, or online, or even by incorporating Jinx into Riverdale High as a freshman or something. I suppose they still could have her turn up in the New Riverdale, but probably too much time has passed at this point. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sam Hill turn up in New Riverdale at some time, though. I wonder whatever became of Fernando Ruiz' reboot of Cosmo (it was supposed to be its own graphic novel, and shown in the back of NIGHT AT THE COMIC SHOP TPB, along with the reboot of Sam Hill). I think the Sam Hill reboot got released as a digital exclusive. I wonder why they didn't do that with Cosmo, unless it was never completed.
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Quote from: GingerGal on April 24, 2016, 01:22:13 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 24, 2016, 01:14:59 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 24, 2016, 11:39:48 AM
Um, first what is The Riverdale Podcast?
I haven't been reading that long, and have only really read the new stuff but I will try and give a top 5.
1. Kevin Keller
2. Sheila Wu
3. January McAndrews
4. Dilton Doliey
5. Pop Tate
The Riverdale Podcast is a podcast (okay, I'm just assuming you know what that is) where Jonathan Merrifield talks about Archie Comics (and occasionally related things). "Sometimes it's a new Archie comic book, sometimes it's an old Archie comic book", as he says, along with news and new releases from the world of Archie Comics.
I think your list is very interesting. I haven't read all those New Riverdale issues, so I mainly just know the old versions of those characters. I thought it was interesting to see January McAndrews as your 3rd favorite (apart from the main five, I guess) because she's a relatively minor character in the older comics (but I like her).
Yep, I know what a Podcast is. I looked at the link and it looks really cool. I will take a listen later today. I really like January McAndrews because she can time travel which I think is really neat. I also like her lots because she has a lot of faith in Jughead. Kevin Keller is very nice, but also speaks his mind and stands for something which I think is awesome. Sheila Wu is such a fashion plate and tries so hard in the one Archie issue to transform Betty into a girly girl. Dilton seems like a really loyal friend to Jughead next to Archie. He is also super smart which always can help when you are in a jam which Jughead seems to be in a lot. Pop Tate is just so nice to everybody. He just seems to looks at all these kids as his own kids.
I can see you spent some time thinking about why you like these characters, and I like your reasons. In the older comics, I think January was only in 8 stories (there might have been a couple of very minor appearances outside of those 8, where she was a main character, and the co-star of the story along with Jughead). I don't remember if they mentioned this in the new JUGHEAD, but January is the direct descendant of Archie Andrews from the 29th Century. In the old comics she's a Marshal in the Time Police, and that makes her technically Jughead's boss (he's a new recruit, so he's only a Deputy Marshal), but she falls in love with him (and he does with her, as well). It might not be exactly the same in the new comics, I just thought you'd be interested to know. Most people seem to think that in the new comics, Jughead just has a dream about her, and that she's not real. I might have a different opinion on that topic.
I don't remember if they do mention that she is a descedant to Archie. I do remember that the villain they are after is a descendant of Reggie though. In the new Jughead story January goes to kiss Jughead after he saves the day and he disappears at that very moment back to the present time. Convenient for Jughead, huh?
More importantly, it's convenient for Jughead fans who get upset if he seems to have a girlfriend. That was always a source of controversy over the old comics in which January appeared as well, because Jughead appeared in the regular Archie Comics, while January only really appeared in the stories in JUGHEAD'S TIME POLICE, and was never mentioned (by Jughead or anyone else) in stories outside of that. Is she real? Or just a figment of Jughead's overactive imagination? That seems to be what most people think. But if you could really travel through time, you could probably make people think a lot of things they really saw were "just imaginary". Time travel allows you to appear and disappear at will, or go back in time and change something that already happened (because you saw it happen) and prevent it from happening. Maybe even use 29th Century technology to 'magically' erase someone's memory.
Speaking of appearances and characters who appear in one series, while never being referred to in another, have you ever wondered why in JUGHEAD, Riverdale High is taken over by the evil Principal Stanger, while over in ARCHIE, everything at the school seems to be normal and Stanger isn't mentioned? It's almost as if one of those stories was taking place in a different alternate timeline or something...
Jughead having a love flame wouldn't bother me much. Maybe that is because I haven't read that much of his stories not liking girls. Jughead does have a huge imagination which is one reason why I like him so much. It seems like in the new story when January appears Jughead either falls asleep or passes out leaving our imaginations going is this a dream or just an alternate part of the story. I am thinking it is more of a dream because each time the story switches it is when Jughead passes out or goes to sleep.
It might just be me, but I also think Principle Stanger is also all part of a dream or nightmare that Jughead is having about the takeover of Riverdale High. I maybe totally wrong about this thinking, but I have heard that issue #6 will wrap this story line up and I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't all a nightmare and Mr. Weatherbee will be back at Principle by issue #7 and Stanger will be gone.
Quote from: GingerGal on April 24, 2016, 02:57:00 PM
It might just be me, but I also think Principle Stanger is also all part of a dream or nightmare that Jughead is having about the takeover of Riverdale High. I maybe totally wrong about this thinking, but I have heard that issue #6 will wrap this story line up and I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't all a nightmare and Mr. Weatherbee will be back at Principle by issue #7 and Stanger will be gone.
In comics, anything is possible, even (and sometimes especially) the possibility that would seem most unlikely in the real world. It might be all Jughead's nightmare, or maybe Riverdale High DID really get taken over by an evil Principal in one possible timeline... but what if there were someone with the capability of traveling through time, whose mission was to prevent things that weren't
supposed to happen (according to the history of the 29th Century) from
actually happening, even it that meant that they had to make a few "adjustments" in the time stream to
erase certain mistakes? Or it
could be just a dream. But if someone actually did hit the reset button on reality, how would you ever know it?
St.Elsewhere ... :-\
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It might just be me, but I also think Principle Stanger is also all part of a dream or nightmare that Jughead is having about the takeover of Riverdale High. I maybe totally wrong about this thinking, but I have heard that issue #6 will wrap this story line up and I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't all a nightmare and Mr. Weatherbee will be back at Principle by issue #7 and Stanger will be gone.
In comics, anything is possible, even (and sometimes especially) the possibility that would seem most unlikely in the real world. It might be all Jughead's nightmare, or maybe Riverdale High DID really get taken over by an evil Principal in one possible timeline... but what if there were someone with the capability of traveling through time, whose mission was to prevent things that weren't supposed to happen (according to the history of the 29th Century) from actually happening, even it that meant that they had to make a few "adjustments" in the time stream to erase certain mistakes? Or it could be just a dream. But if someone actually did hit the reset button on reality, how would you ever know it?
You wouldn't know it. That is what makes comic book reading so great because it leaves so much up to the readers imagination. I tell ya especially with this Jughead story every time I reread it I have new ideas with it. I really can't wait to see how it all comes to an end in the next issue before it moves onto something new.
1. Melody
2. Mrs. Cooper (I love the mother/daughter relationship Mrs Cooper has with Betty)
3. Jason Blossom
4. Coach Clayton
5. Josie
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 24, 2016, 02:56:33 PM
I wonder whatever became of Fernando Ruiz' reboot of Cosmo (it was supposed to be its own graphic novel, and shown in the back of NIGHT AT THE COMIC SHOP TPB, along with the reboot of Sam Hill). I think the Sam Hill reboot got released as a digital exclusive. I wonder why they didn't do that with Cosmo, unless it was never completed.
I always wondered what became of my reboot too.
I was asked to submit a series of Cosmo sketches as part of a proposal to resurrect The Merry Martian. A huge fan of Cosmo, I eagerly jumped into this and I drew a stack of sketches of Cosmo and his supporting cast. These sketches were submitted and as with other situations, I never heard anything again. Later I learned, that proposals and sketches from other artists were being entertained. At that point, it was safe to assume that my pitch had been either rejected or at least was no longer under consideration. Ultimately, no new Cosmo ever came of any of these proposals.
Last year I was told directly, "Our next big thing is going to be Cosmo and that's going to be all you."
Again, nothing.
I also like
1-Jelly Bean -but when in Life With Archie . She was a Hgh School student dating that bad boy who Jughead didn't like.
2-Max Marcus-Archie's student who taking advantage of Archie.
3-Trey -when he & Betty became prom king & queen in Archie #1, I hope he is more issues of Archie.
4-January McAndrews
5-Polly Cooper
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 24, 2016, 10:11:22 PM
I also like
1-Jelly Bean -but when in Life With Archie . She was a Hgh School student dating that bad boy who Jughead didn't like.
2-Max Marcus-Archie's student who taking advantage of Archie.
3-Trey -when he & Betty became prom king & queen in Archie #1, I hope he is more issues of Archie.
4-January McAndrews
5-Polly Cooper
Trey does seem pretty cool. I didn't like though when he was up in Betty's room and was putting his hands on her. She got really mad at him and kicked him out.
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I wonder whatever became of Fernando Ruiz' reboot of Cosmo (it was supposed to be its own graphic novel, and shown in the back of NIGHT AT THE COMIC SHOP TPB, along with the reboot of Sam Hill). I think the Sam Hill reboot got released as a digital exclusive. I wonder why they didn't do that with Cosmo, unless it was never completed.
I always wondered what became of my reboot too.
I was asked to submit a series of Cosmo sketches as part of a proposal to resurrect The Merry Martian. A huge fan of Cosmo, I eagerly jumped into this and I drew a stack of sketches of Cosmo and his supporting cast. These sketches were submitted and as with other situations, I never heard anything again. Later I learned, that proposals and sketches from other artists were being entertained. At that point, it was safe to assume that my pitch had been either rejected or at least was no longer under consideration. Ultimately, no new Cosmo ever came of any of these proposals.
Last year I was told directly, "Our next big thing is going to be Cosmo and that's going to be all you."
Again, nothing.
The people making publishing decisions up there sure do change their minds a lot from one week to the next.
I remember when I first got the Night At The Comic Shop TPB and read that in the back (and this was sometime early in 2015, when I would have first read it), I was flipping out that they were showing this new "coming soon" stuff like Cosmo and Sam Hill in the back of the book, until I looked at when the book was first published and noticed that it had been printed four years earlier, in 2011.
I've been starting a little collection of images from unpublished Archie (http://www.archiefans.com/index.php?media/album/archie-unpublished.16/) collections, graphic novels, and comic book series, and it's grown to quite a few items.
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I also like
1-Jelly Bean -but when in Life With Archie . She was a Hgh School student dating that bad boy who Jughead didn't like.
2-Max Marcus-Archie's student who taking advantage of Archie.
3-Trey -when he & Betty became prom king & queen in Archie #1, I hope he is more issues of Archie.
4-January McAndrews
5-Polly Cooper
Hmm, another vote for January McAndrews...
When I first read
The Married Life, I didn't know who Jellybean Jones was (I mean, they tell you who she is, I wasn't confused about that, but I never even knew that Jughead
had a sister before reading that). Then a little later when I read the New Look Archie story "Bad Boy Trouble", with Nick St. Clair, I said to myself, "Hey, this guy is just like that guy that Jellybean was dating in The Married Life".
I loved Jellybean as adult in Life With Archie. She worked in Jughead's while Midge was pregnant. And Midge had to stay off her feet. But in the beginning Jellybean was such a bad worker, she just hanged with Davey her boyfriend which Jughead didn't like. He was bad news. But when Midge almost lost the baby JellyBean got her act together & worked hard. I wish JellyBean was all grown up in the digests. They could have had more interesting stories maybe some that just starred her as the main character.
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I loved Jellybean as adult in Life With Archie. She worked in Jughead's while Midge was pregnant. And Midge had to stay off her feet. But in the beginning Jellybean was such a bad worker, she just hanged with Davey her boyfriend which Jughead didn't like. He was bad news. But when Midge almost lost the baby JellyBean got her act together & worked hard. I wish JellyBean was all grown up in the digests. They could have had more interesting stories maybe some that just starred her as the main character.
The inclusion of Jellybean as a teenager in The Married Life is kind of important because it's the one thing in there that really tells you
exactly when The Married Life is taking place compared to the classic Archie stories: Jellybean is 15 years older, so The Married Life is taking place 15 years after high school. Maybe if LIFE WITH ARCHIE had been doing better sales-wise there could have been a spinoff with Jellybean in her own series.
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Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 12:51:12 AM
I loved Jellybean as adult in Life With Archie. She worked in Jughead's while Midge was pregnant. And Midge had to stay off her feet. But in the beginning Jellybean was such a bad worker, she just hanged with Davey her boyfriend which Jughead didn't like. He was bad news. But when Midge almost lost the baby JellyBean got her act together & worked hard. I wish JellyBean was all grown up in the digests. They could have had more interesting stories maybe some that just starred her as the main character.
The inclusion of Jellybean as a teenager in The Married Life is kind of important because it's the one thing in there that really tells you exactly when The Married Life is taking place compared to the classic Archie stories: Jellybean is 15 years older, so The Married Life is taking place 15 years after high school. Maybe if LIFE WITH ARCHIE had been doing better sales-wise there could have been a spinoff with Jellybean in her own series.
Jellybean with her own series? I'm an Archie freak and I doubt I would buy that. I think LWA would have had to be moving 20 million copies of each issue to justify Jellybean with her own series. I think Pop Tate would be more interesting in his own series than Jellybean, LOL. Maybe if Souphead was in the mix with Jellybean, that would be more compelling. ;D
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 24, 2016, 06:31:01 PM
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I wonder whatever became of Fernando Ruiz' reboot of Cosmo (it was supposed to be its own graphic novel, and shown in the back of NIGHT AT THE COMIC SHOP TPB, along with the reboot of Sam Hill). I think the Sam Hill reboot got released as a digital exclusive. I wonder why they didn't do that with Cosmo, unless it was never completed.
I always wondered what became of my reboot too.
I was asked to submit a series of Cosmo sketches as part of a proposal to resurrect The Merry Martian. A huge fan of Cosmo, I eagerly jumped into this and I drew a stack of sketches of Cosmo and his supporting cast. These sketches were submitted and as with other situations, I never heard anything again. Later I learned, that proposals and sketches from other artists were being entertained. At that point, it was safe to assume that my pitch had been either rejected or at least was no longer under consideration. Ultimately, no new Cosmo ever came of any of these proposals.
Last year I was told directly, "Our next big thing is going to be Cosmo and that's going to be all you."
Again, nothing.
I think there was a Cosmo app game that failed. That couldn't've helped.
That Cosmo's Space Race (http://jontrouten.blogspot.com/2015/03/cosmos-space-race.html) game was pretty weak. Then again, I don't remember Archie Comics promoting or advertising it at all. I just stumbled across it one day.
Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 07:04:46 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 01:05:38 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 12:51:12 AM
I loved Jellybean as adult in Life With Archie. She worked in Jughead's while Midge was pregnant. And Midge had to stay off her feet. But in the beginning Jellybean was such a bad worker, she just hanged with Davey her boyfriend which Jughead didn't like. He was bad news. But when Midge almost lost the baby JellyBean got her act together & worked hard. I wish JellyBean was all grown up in the digests. They could have had more interesting stories maybe some that just starred her as the main character.
The inclusion of Jellybean as a teenager in The Married Life is kind of important because it's the one thing in there that really tells you exactly when The Married Life is taking place compared to the classic Archie stories: Jellybean is 15 years older, so The Married Life is taking place 15 years after high school. Maybe if LIFE WITH ARCHIE had been doing better sales-wise there could have been a spinoff with Jellybean in her own series.
Jellybean with her own series? I'm an Archie freak and I doubt I would buy that. I think LWA would have had to be moving 20 million copies of each issue to justify Jellybean with her own series. I think Pop Tate would be more interesting in his own series than Jellybean, LOL. Maybe if Souphead was in the mix with Jellybean, that would be more compelling. ;D
Well, this is teenage Jellybean (not baby Jellybean) we're talking about here in her own series -- existing in the world where Archie and Betty are teachers at Riverdale High, so it would be an interesting variation on the standard Archie scenario -- but you made your point, you don't like Jellybean. But again, TEENAGE Jellybean is a
completely different character than in the regular Jughead stories, and we
barely got to know her in The Married Life, so how do you
really know you wouldn't like her? THAT character remains largely unwritten as yet. I don't really know where Souphead would fit into the mix, since he's ten years older than Jellybean, not her contemporary. But even so, HIS character as a 25-year old is a completely mystery, as well.
I mean, maybe you're right. Who would be interested in buying a comic book series starring a teenage girl in high school? Although... I sorta had the impression that maybe that kinda thing was Archie Comics' main schtick.
POP TATE as the
star of his own series? I'm gonna say... no. Not even the "retired in Florida" variant Pop of LWA.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 10:33:47 AM
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Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 01:05:38 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 12:51:12 AM
I loved Jellybean as adult in Life With Archie. She worked in Jughead's while Midge was pregnant. And Midge had to stay off her feet. But in the beginning Jellybean was such a bad worker, she just hanged with Davey her boyfriend which Jughead didn't like. He was bad news. But when Midge almost lost the baby JellyBean got her act together & worked hard. I wish JellyBean was all grown up in the digests. They could have had more interesting stories maybe some that just starred her as the main character.
The inclusion of Jellybean as a teenager in The Married Life is kind of important because it's the one thing in there that really tells you exactly when The Married Life is taking place compared to the classic Archie stories: Jellybean is 15 years older, so The Married Life is taking place 15 years after high school. Maybe if LIFE WITH ARCHIE had been doing better sales-wise there could have been a spinoff with Jellybean in her own series.
Jellybean with her own series? I'm an Archie freak and I doubt I would buy that. I think LWA would have had to be moving 20 million copies of each issue to justify Jellybean with her own series. I think Pop Tate would be more interesting in his own series than Jellybean, LOL. Maybe if Souphead was in the mix with Jellybean, that would be more compelling. ;D
Well, this is teenage Jellybean (not baby Jellybean) we're talking about here in her own series -- existing in the world where Archie and Betty are teachers at Riverdale High, so it would be an interesting variation on the standard Archie scenario -- but you made your point, you don't like Jellybean. But again, TEENAGE Jellybean is a completely different character than in the regular Jughead stories, and we barely got to know her in The Married Life, so how do you really know you wouldn't like her? THAT character remains largely unwritten as yet. I don't really know where Souphead would fit into the mix, since he's ten years older than Jellybean, not her contemporary. But even so, HIS character as a 25-year old is a completely mystery, as well.
I mean, maybe you're right. Who would be interested in buying a comic book series starring a teenage girl in high school? Although... I sorta had the impression that maybe that kinda thing was Archie Comics' main schtick.
POP TATE as the star of his own series? I'm gonna say... no. Not even the "retired in Florida" variant Pop of LWA.
I was basically kidding around, DCR. But there are a lot of characters I'd rather see with a series than Jellybean, teenaged or not.
Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 12:40:50 PM
I was basically kidding around, DCR. But there are a lot of characters I'd rather see with a series than Jellybean, teenaged or not.
I think I can see the basic difference in our POVs here, spaz. You're looking at a Jellybean series as a 'branding' thing:
"I don't recognize "Jellybean" as strong brand that predisposes me to buy a ticket". I'm looking at it as a concept thing: "ARCHIE: The Next Generation" (which of course, is an absolutely
horrible title for a series -- so it's "Jellybean"). What's the
next generation of teenager at Riverdale High going to be like, with the adult Gang of Five we know from LWA filling the supporting adult roles that normally go to the parents and faculty of RHS in classic Archie stories? We're flopping the focus here; LWA focused on the adults, JELLYBEAN would focus on the teenagers, and cut back on the soap opera dynamic of LWA in favor of taking a more comedic/lighthearted approach to looking at that same world from a teenager's worldview. In effect, recasting the more serious world seen in LWA, back into the mold of classic Archie stories about teenagers (with a new teenage cast revolving around Jellybean as the main character, and Archie, Jughead, Betty, etc. as the responsible authority figures in their world). The idea here being to capitalize (if LWA had continued to be a sales success), on an already-established series, trying to carry over interest of those readers into a spinoff set in the same universe.
It's not about "the character", because there really isn't enough in The Married Life to set Jellybean the teenager's character in stone. That has to be built on just a few slim connective threads to classic Archie. "She's Jughead's baby sister, all grown up". This is a night-and-day thing, like "Li'l Jinx" to JINX. That thing turned out to be great, which I'd never have guessed before reading it. The only reason I did wind up getting it was because it was super-cheap, and I was more than mildly curious. Never really cared one way or the other about Li'l Jinx, but after reading it, I love JINX.
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Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 12:40:50 PM
I was basically kidding around, DCR. But there are a lot of characters I'd rather see with a series than Jellybean, teenaged or not.
I think I can see the basic difference in our POVs here, spaz. You're looking at a Jellybean series as a 'branding' thing: "I don't recognize "Jellybean" as strong brand that predisposes me to buy a ticket". I'm looking at it as a concept thing: "ARCHIE: The Next Generation" (which of course, is an absolutely horrible title for a series -- so it's "Jellybean"). What's the next generation of teenager at Riverdale High going to be like, with the adult Gang of Five we know from LWA filling the supporting adult roles that normally go to the parents and faculty of RHS in classic Archie stories? We're flopping the focus here; LWA focused on the adults, JELLYBEAN would focus on the teenagers.
It's not about "the character", because there really isn't enough in The Married Life to set Jellybean the teenager's character in stone. That has to be built on just a few slim connective threads to classic Archie. "She's Jughead's baby sister, all grown up". This is a night-and-day thing, like "Li'l Jinx" to JINX. That thing turned out to be great, which I'd never have guessed before reading it. The only reason I did wind up getting it was because it was super-cheap, and I was more than mildly curious. Never really cared one way or the other about Li'l Jinx, but after reading it, I love JINX.
My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.
Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.
I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.
You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like
Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and
Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.
Back in the day, I thought it would be fun to have a series starring the older Jellybean.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 01:47:52 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.
I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.
You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.
I read the "Classic" Jughead story in the back of one of the new Jughead stories where Souphead is in it. He was funny.
I remember little Souphead taught Jughead a lesson while Jughead was trying to teach him one.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 01:47:52 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.
I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.
You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.
Come to think of it, it's happened at least ONCE with an Archie character. Cheryl Blossom was languishing in obscurity, until, nearly overnight, an executive decision to push the character hard as "the next big thing" was made, and the readers bought into it, and made her Archie's hottest property of the late 1990s. And now, she's back to pre-1994 levels of popularity, but for a while there...
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Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.
I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.
You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.
Come to think of it, it's happened at least ONCE with an Archie character. Cheryl Blossom was languishing in obscurity, until, nearly overnight, an executive decision to push the character hard as "the next big thing" was made, and the readers bought into it, and made her Archie's hottest property of the late 1990s. And now, she's back to pre-1994 levels of popularity, but for a while there...
This Cheryl Blossom hasn't made it into the new Archie and Jughead series yet. Being as popular as people say she is that surprises me a bit. Maybe she will be more a regular in the new Betty and Veronica series.
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 02:40:54 PM
I remember little Souphead taught Jughead a lesson while Jughead was trying to teach him one.
We're gonna turn you into a classic Archie fan yet, GingerGal! Watch out! ;D
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I remember little Souphead taught Jughead a lesson while Jughead was trying to teach him one.
We're gonna turn you into a classic Archie fan yet, GingerGal! Watch out! ;D
I will definitely get to it at some point. I just don't have the $$$$$ for it right now. I do enjoy the "Classic" stories in the back of the new ones so it is not that I don't like them.
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 02:46:36 PM
This Cheryl Blossom hasn't made it into the new Archie and Jughead series yet. Being as popular as people say she is that surprises me a bit. Maybe she will be more a regular in the new Betty and Veronica series.
Between 1995 and 2001, Cheryl starred in 50 issues of her own comics.
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This Cheryl Blossom hasn't made it into the new Archie and Jughead series yet. Being as popular as people say she is that surprises me a bit. Maybe she will be more a regular in the new Betty and Veronica series.
Between 1995 and 2001, Cheryl starred in 50 issues of her own comics.
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Is she as popular as Kevin Keller?
Well she did have 37 Comics plus special issues that 48 pages. When Kevin only had 15 issues. He is getting his digital vomic which is cool. I just wish it was a real comic so I can put them in my comic frames. He looks handsome all grown up.
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 04:22:30 PM
Well she did have 37 Comics plus special issues that 48 pages. When Kevin only had 15 issues. He is getting his digital vomic which is cool. I just wish it was a real comic so I can put them in my comic frames. He looks handsome all grown up.
Yep I saw they were doing a comic with Kevin as the main character. Well maybe since Cheryl Blossom seems to have a fan base they might make a comic down the road with her as the central character.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 01:47:52 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.
I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.
You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.
I agree with what you're saying. But for a company that has trouble selling books with Archie as the main character, I can't imagine a Jellybean spinoff being successful.
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Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 01:47:52 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.
I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.
You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.
I agree with what you're saying. But for a company that has trouble selling books with Archie as the main character, I can't imagine a Jellybean spinoff being successful.
Since you said Archie comics has trouble selling comics with its central character Archie front and center what other character do you think has the best selling potential for the comics? Jughead, Betty, Veronica or Reggie?
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 12:28:35 AM
The people making publishing decisions up there sure do change their minds a lot from one week to the next.
You have NO idea.
Describing Archie Comics' publishing strategies as "erratic" would be generous and kind.
It should speak big, thick volumes that we never, ever entertained the thought of pitching Die Kitty Die at what should've been our home base of operations. We really just couldn't do it.
And it's really working out for the very best! Stay tuned for some MAJOR Kitty announcement coming VERY, VERY soon!
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 25, 2016, 01:05:38 AM
The inclusion of Jellybean as a teenager in The Married Life is kind of important because it's the one thing in there that really tells you exactly when The Married Life is taking place compared to the classic Archie stories: Jellybean is 15 years older, so The Married Life is taking place 15 years after high school.
This is a new one on me. I don't remember a specific number of years ever being nailed down within the story. Maybe it was said in an issue before I started drawing.
I was always told, however, that the Married Life took place some five years or so after the wedding stories. I was always told to draw the characters as if they were in their early to mid twenties. I know we had characters doing things someone at that age might not necessarily be ready to do... such as run for mayor or run a major corporation... but I figured... y'know... It's Archie!
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 25, 2016, 07:35:45 AM
I think there was a Cosmo app game that failed. That couldn't've helped.
Much of the art for the graphics in that game was "re-purposed" from my work.
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 02:46:36 PM
This Cheryl Blossom hasn't made it into the new Archie and Jughead series yet. Being as popular as people say she is that surprises me a bit. Maybe she will be more a regular in the new Betty and Veronica series.
She will be a primary character in the new TV series (if it goes to air) at least initially ...
QuoteIs she as popular as Kevin Keller?
At her peak in the late '90s she was much more popular — though so was Archie comics in general ... and she got more exposure in the comics for longer, so it's probably not a fair comparison either way. She's likely to show up in the New Riverdale comics eventually (she's from a rival school in a more affluent suburb, so there's no contradiction in her not being there immediately)
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Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 02:46:36 PM
This Cheryl Blossom hasn't made it into the new Archie and Jughead series yet. Being as popular as people say she is that surprises me a bit. Maybe she will be more a regular in the new Betty and Veronica series.
She will be a primary character in the new TV series (if it goes to air) at least initially ...
QuoteIs she as popular as Kevin Keller?
At her peak in the late '90s she was much more popular — though so was Archie comics in general ... and she got more exposure in the comics for longer, so it's probably not a fair comparison either way. She's likely to show up in the New Riverdale comics eventually (she's from a rival school in a more affluent suburb, so there's no contradiction in her not being there immediately)
Even though this thread is a small sample it seems like Cheryl Blossom is still pretty popular to Archie fans. Maybe if Archie is not doing that well in sales they should look into that a bit. More of the characters that fans want to see.
ACP seems to worry about it a lot — as in panic — but their response is generally dictated by executives with no real idea of how they relate to reality trying to grab onto passing trends, with results most charitably described as "zen" or more accurately as decapitated chicken ...
Quote from: invisifan on April 25, 2016, 06:04:08 PM
ACP seems to worry about it a lot — as in panic — but their response is generally dictated by executives will no real idea of how they relate to reality trying to grab onto passing trends, with results most charitably described as "zen" or more accurately as decapitated chicken ...
Maybe these executives that are running the place now will run it straight into the ground and some other business executives who know what they are doing will buy them out. That might straighten them out.
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My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.
I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.
You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.
I agree with what you're saying. But for a company that has trouble selling books with Archie as the main character, I can't imagine a Jellybean spinoff being successful.
Since you said Archie comics has trouble selling comics with its central character Archie front and center what other character do you think has the best selling potential for the comics? Jughead, Betty, Veronica or Reggie?
My point was that they have trouble selling comics, period. To try to use a fringe character most people have never heard of would be even harder.
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Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.
I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.
You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.
I agree with what you're saying. But for a company that has trouble selling books with Archie as the main character, I can't imagine a Jellybean spinoff being successful.
Since you said Archie comics has trouble selling comics with its central character Archie front and center what other character do you think has the best selling potential for the comics? Jughead, Betty, Veronica or Reggie?
My point was that they have trouble selling comics, period. To try to use a fringe character most people have never heard of would be even harder.
It seems like the main characters in the comics are Archie, Jughead, Betty, Veronica, and Reggie. The first 4 already or will have a new comic coming. Do you think they will follow with the final main character Reggie at some point with a new comic of his own?
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My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.
I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.
You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.
I agree with what you're saying. But for a company that has trouble selling books with Archie as the main character, I can't imagine a Jellybean spinoff being successful.
Since you said Archie comics has trouble selling comics with its central character Archie front and center what other character do you think has the best selling potential for the comics? Jughead, Betty, Veronica or Reggie?
My point was that they have trouble selling comics, period. To try to use a fringe character most people have never heard of would be even harder.
It seems like the main characters in the comics are Archie, Jughead, Betty, Veronica, and Reggie. The first 4 already or will have a new comic coming. Do you think they will follow with the final main character Reggie at some point with a new comic of his own?
I doubt it. Reggie had his own comic before, no one bought it and that's why it went away. They need to concentrate on making Archie, Jughead and B&V good and worry about anything else later. I'm more surprised they aren't doing a new Josie and the Pussycats comic. I think that has more potential than Jughead to sell.
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Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
My original point was just that I consider Jellybean and Souphead to be about equal level characters in the Archieverse.
I like them both. But really what the topic started out as was the idea of a spinoff of LWA, and Jellybean strikes me as the most likely candidate as a spinoff set in THAT universe that wouldn't be a mere clone of the parent series.
You don't realize this, because you don't read other comic books. Characters, no matter what "level" you as a reader deign to assign to them, are not stuck at whatever level you pigeonhole them. All someone needs to do is come up with a new spin or direction for that character, and that can change everything, catapulting them from years of obscurity into the spotlight, and raising them up in audience popularity. It's happened over and over again with other companies' characters. It may never have happened at Archie, but maybe it's because they were afraid to try. There was a time when things like Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy were some of Marvel's poorest-selling and least-popular series.
I agree with what you're saying. But for a company that has trouble selling books with Archie as the main character, I can't imagine a Jellybean spinoff being successful.
Since you said Archie comics has trouble selling comics with its central character Archie front and center what other character do you think has the best selling potential for the comics? Jughead, Betty, Veronica or Reggie?
My point was that they have trouble selling comics, period. To try to use a fringe character most people have never heard of would be even harder.
It seems like the main characters in the comics are Archie, Jughead, Betty, Veronica, and Reggie. The first 4 already or will have a new comic coming. Do you think they will follow with the final main character Reggie at some point with a new comic of his own?
I doubt it. Reggie had his own comic before, no one bought it and that's why it went away. They need to concentrate on making Archie, Jughead and B&V good and worry about anything else later. I'm more surprised they aren't doing a new Josie and the Pussycats comic. I think that has more potential than Jughead to sell.
Maybe that could be the next step if like you said the 3 continue to be good and people want more.
Reggie has had his own comic a (very) few times in the past but never done well with it — he got defined as a member of the core group decades ago and that's become set in stone over the years, but he's essentially a foil/antagonist and alternative for dating than a lead ... Given the small number of books they seem to be willing/able to put out at one time I doubt they'd even consider it seriously ...
Quote from: invisifan on April 25, 2016, 06:34:44 PM
Reggie has had his own comic a (very) few times in the past but never done well with it — he got defined as a member of the core group decades ago and that's become set in stone over the years, but he's essentially a foil/antagonist and alternative for dating than a lead ... Given the small number of books they seem to be willing/able to put out at one time I doubt they'd even consider it seriously ...
Why is it that they don't want to put out more comic series, do they have a fear they will all fail? I would think if they would come up with something or a character the fans want to see more of it would sell. Supply the fans with what they want and I would think they would buy it. I don't know I'm just a 14 year old kid and they are big time business executives, but I am also the 14 year old kid that is buying there product so they should listen.
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Quote from: invisifan on April 25, 2016, 06:34:44 PM
Reggie has had his own comic a (very) few times in the past but never done well with it — he got defined as a member of the core group decades ago and that's become set in stone over the years, but he's essentially a foil/antagonist and alternative for dating than a lead ... Given the small number of books they seem to be willing/able to put out at one time I doubt they'd even consider it seriously ...
Why is it that they don't want to put out more comic series, do they have a fear they will all fail? I would think if they would come up with something or a character the fans want to see more of it would sell. Supply the fans with what they want and I would think they would buy it. I don't know I'm just a 14 year old kid and they are big time business executives, but I am also the 14 year old kid that is buying there product so they should listen.
It costs money to produce comics and if you produce comics that don't sell, then that makes it tough to do more. Archie Comics is a fairly small independent publisher. Their margin for error is small.
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Reggie has had his own comic a (very) few times in the past but never done well with it — he got defined as a member of the core group decades ago and that's become set in stone over the years, but he's essentially a foil/antagonist and alternative for dating than a lead ... Given the small number of books they seem to be willing/able to put out at one time I doubt they'd even consider it seriously ...
Why is it that they don't want to put out more comic series, do they have a fear they will all fail? I would think if they would come up with something or a character the fans want to see more of it would sell. Supply the fans with what they want and I would think they would buy it. I don't know I'm just a 14 year old kid and they are big time business executives, but I am also the 14 year old kid that is buying there product so they should listen.
It costs money to produce comics and if you produce comics that don't sell, then that makes it tough to do more. Archie Comics is a fairly small independent publisher. Their margin for error is small.
But they have been around for 75 years which I would think has made them a lot of money over those many years. What have they done with all that money?
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 04:22:30 PM
Well she did have 37 Comics plus special issues that 48 pages. When Kevin only had 15 issues. He is getting his digital vomic which is cool. I just wish it was a real comic so I can put them in my comic frames. He looks handsome all grown up.
15 comics today is practically equal to 30 comics back in the 90s. There is less disposable income and less room for error.
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Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 04:22:30 PM
Well she did have 37 Comics plus special issues that 48 pages. When Kevin only had 15 issues. He is getting his digital vomic which is cool. I just wish it was a real comic so I can put them in my comic frames. He looks handsome all grown up.
15 comics today is practically equal to 30 comics back in the 90s. There is less disposable income and less room for error.
Back in the 90's did the series come out more regularly?
I'm not sure I didn't become a fan of Cheryl till a few years ago. I found one of her comic at comic shop & fell in love with it. I just love that she is fraternal twin like me. She is 3 minutes older than Jason. But with my twin he is one minute older than me.
Whoa! Thanks for making this such a lively thread, folks! I'm tuning out until I've made my list so that I don't get influenced, but I look forward to seeing all of your thoughts.
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 11:33:43 PM
I'm not sure I didn't become a fan of Cheryl till a few years ago. I found one of her comic at comic shop & fell in love with it. I just love that she is fraternal twin like me. She is 3 minutes older than Jason. But with my twin he is one minute older than me.
Cool reason to like Cheryl and also cool that you have a twin. I have an older brother who is 19 and still back in South Africa as he elected to stay there and go to University there with all his friends.
Quote from: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 04:33:26 PM
I agree with what you're saying. But for a company that has trouble selling books with Archie as the main character, I can't imagine a Jellybean spinoff being successful.
It's just that for a
little while there, as far as
new material was concerned (and apart from the digests), LIFE WITH ARCHIE
was the most popular title, which was making ACP think about launching a VERONICA AND BETTY Magazine (as you may or may not recall). So the thinking there was along the lines of "Well, I guess people like a longer, continued story like you can get in this magazine format, with soap-opera elements, so maybe they'll go for another one along those lines").
Another possible way of thinking about it was that what the readers of LWA were liking was "the Bettyverse" or "the Veronicaverse", so maybe they'd buy another series set in
that universe. That would be the thinking behind spinning the LWA Jellybean off in her own title -- as opposed to something like
"Reggie has more fans than say, Kevin Keller, so why not give him
his own comic book?". However, as things happened, what turned out to be the case is that LIFE WITH ARCHIE's sales described a parabola like a rocket -- at first it was one of the best-sellers that ACP had, but then it cooled down and sales dropped off rather quickly as the series progressed.
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 25, 2016, 05:19:40 PM
And it's really working out for the very best! Stay tuned for some MAJOR Kitty announcement coming VERY, VERY soon!
I've been waiting on pins & needles for this! Of course, I've been
hoping from the very start, that KITTY would only be the beginning and that I could look forward to future comics from AstroComics, but I'm excited! Can't wait!!
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 07:19:10 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 25, 2016, 06:34:44 PM
Reggie has had his own comic a (very) few times in the past but never done well with it — he got defined as a member of the core group decades ago and that's become set in stone over the years, but he's essentially a foil/antagonist and alternative for dating than a lead ... Given the small number of books they seem to be willing/able to put out at one time I doubt they'd even consider it seriously ...
Why is it that they don't want to put out more comic series, do they have a fear they will all fail? I would think if they would come up with something or a character the fans want to see more of it would sell. Supply the fans with what they want and I would think they would buy it. I don't know I'm just a 14 year old kid and they are big time business executives, but I am also the 14 year old kid that is buying there product so they should listen.
I'm not sure that YOU couldn't do a better job of running things than the current "big time business executives" at ACP. They seem to have some pretty weird publishing strategies that aren't completely satisfying the 14 year old readers OR the older comic book fans that have been reading comics for decades.
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 07:49:47 PM
But they have been around for 75 years which I would think has made them a lot of money over those many years. What have they done with all that money?
When times were good, I'm thinking mostly limousines, yachts and summer homes in the Hamptons. ;)
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 25, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 04:22:30 PM
Well she did have 37 Comics plus special issues that 48 pages. When Kevin only had 15 issues. He is getting his digital vomic which is cool. I just wish it was a real comic so I can put them in my comic frames. He looks handsome all grown up.
15 comics today is practically equal to 30 comics back in the 90s. There is less disposable income and less room for error.
There was less disposable income back in the 1940s and early 1950s, but that was comics' peak selling period. I don't think the key is
less disposable income, it's
more competition from different ways to dispose of the
same disposable income. Back when Cheryl Blossom was being published, spending your Cheryl Blossom money on iPad apps or digital music wasn't an option for any reader.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 26, 2016, 01:39:26 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 07:19:10 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 25, 2016, 06:34:44 PM
Reggie has had his own comic a (very) few times in the past but never done well with it — he got defined as a member of the core group decades ago and that's become set in stone over the years, but he's essentially a foil/antagonist and alternative for dating than a lead ... Given the small number of books they seem to be willing/able to put out at one time I doubt they'd even consider it seriously ...
Why is it that they don't want to put out more comic series, do they have a fear they will all fail? I would think if they would come up with something or a character the fans want to see more of it would sell. Supply the fans with what they want and I would think they would buy it. I don't know I'm just a 14 year old kid and they are big time business executives, but I am also the 14 year old kid that is buying there product so they should listen.
I'm not sure that YOU couldn't do a better job of running things than the current "big time business executives" at ACP. They seem to have some pretty weird publishing strategies that aren't completely satisfying the 14 year old readers OR the older comic book fans that have been reading comics for decades.
They really need to start listening to the readers because they are the ones that are keeping their business going. I think that is something they would have learned in Business 101. ;)
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 26, 2016, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 07:49:47 PM
But they have been around for 75 years which I would think has made them a lot of money over those many years. What have they done with all that money?
When times were good, I'm thinking mostly limousines, yachts and summer homes in the Hamptons. ;)
Living the life of The Lodges.
I meant to spend some more time thinking about this... what would be my favorite characters (not in the core five), IF we were limiting it to just the Archie-centric titles, and eliminating non-Riverdale characters like Sabrina, Josie, That Wilkin Boy, Madhouse Glads, Wilbur, Ginger, Katy Keene, Jinx, etc. ? But then I kind of got busy and distracted by some tangential conversations on in this thread, until I finally got around to listening to this week's Riverdale Podcast, and Jonathan read everyone's lists.
And I couldn't really whittle it down to just five, but I did come up with a list of ten, which I refuse to rank in any order.
Trula Twyst
Marcy McDermott
Jellybean Jones
January McAndrews
Shrill
Wendy Weatherbee
DeDe Diaz
Toni Topaz
Cheryl Blossom
Midge Klump
Here's another list of mine
1-🍁-Harper Lodge
2-🐚 Bernadette who dated Reggie in the New Look series
3-🌟-Brandy who was friends with Betty. She had multiply colored hair. She was only in a few stories.
4-⚡-Billy who was Betty when she was changed into a guy
5-💕-Bingo Wilkin
I finally listened to yesterday's Riverdale Podcast. It was fun hearing Jonathan read out everyone's Top 5 lists.
Quote from: BettyReggie on May 01, 2016, 10:07:10 AM
Here's another list of mine
1-🍁-Harper Lodge
2-🐚 Bernadette who dated Reggie in the New Look series
3-🌟-Brandy who was friends with Betty. She had multiply colored hair. She was only in a few stories.
4-⚡-Billy who was Betty when she was changed into a guy
5-💕-Bingo Wilkin
Harper! Wow, I can't believe I didn't think of Harper. I think I'd have to get her on my top ten list, so I'd replace... mmm... I guess maybe DeDe Diaz (because she's kind of similar to Wendy Weatherbee) with Harper instead.
I don't think I ever read that New Look story with Reggie (because it was never reprinted in a trade paperback like the New Look stories that came before it, and neither was the one with Betty playing baseball). I never even heard of Brandy (I guess somewhere I must have read about Bernadette being in that story with Reggie, but I don't know anything about her, just her name). I wasn't that crazy about most of the New Look stories anyway. Probably the best one I read was "Bad Boy Trouble", and "Breakup Blues" with Midge and Moose wasn't too bad either, I guess. I'm glad they didn't make a lot of those, though. Bingo Wilkin's great, and so is Samantha Smythe. So is Fran the Fan from the Madhouse Glads (she's the best character in it). I wish they'd reprint more of those stories in the digests, and some Katy Keene stories from the 1980s, too.
I'm going to have to order a copy of that FCBD 2005 Betty and Veronica comic book that Jonathan reviewed that had the story with Katy Keene and Ginger and Cheryl and Marcy in it. Sounded like a great story.
Here are some of my other favorites. I'm surprised that I didn't think of them before:
Sabrina the Teenage Witch
Amisha (I loved the idea of an Archie/Amisha/Valerie love triangle!)
Young Doctor Masters (one of those old characters who hooked me at the right moment)
Catfish Joe (same thing)
Quote from: JonInIowaCity on May 01, 2016, 01:58:44 PM
Here are some of my other favorites. I'm surprised that I didn't think of them before:
Sabrina the Teenage Witch
Amisha (I loved the idea of an Archie/Amisha/Valerie love triangle!)
Young Doctor Masters (one of those old characters who hooked me at the right moment)
Catfish Joe (same thing)
Were you the one who had Dotty & Ditto on your list? Man, you like the strange ones! Maybe I should have picked five Archie superheroes just to throw everyone for a loop.
Let's see...
MLJ/Mighty/Red (not Dark) Circle top five:
1. The Shield
2. The Web
3. The Black Hood
4. Fly Girl
5. POW-Girl
6. (honorable mention) Cat Girl
Archie/Amisha/Valerie triangle? I thought it was the Archie/Amisha/Raj triangle?
Maybe we'll find out in that Amisha story in the next (which was really supposed to be in the last, but they swapped it with Ginger's) episode of The Many Loves of Archie Andrews.
Is the DeDe Diaz the girl who worked at the comic book store? She had a crush on Jughead. But Archie really liked her of course. The 3 of them went to the movies. I think that's her only story.
Quote from: BettyReggie on May 01, 2016, 03:03:26 PM
Is the DeDe Diaz the girl who worked at the comic book store? She had a crush on Jughead. But Archie really liked her of course. The 3 of them went to the movies. I think that's her only story.
I think DeDe Diaz was in two stories. The one you mentioned was the first one that introduced her as a character, and then there was one more, I think.
I mean, it's kind of hard to believe that Harper was only in a few stories. Only two where she had a major part, and then maybe another three where she had a small part in some scene. A lot of the characters on my top ten list didn't appear in that many stories (Toni Topaz, Wendy Weatherbee, Shrill, January McAndrews), but I like them because they were memorable characters and they're ones I look forward to seeing in any story, especially if they have a major part in it. I probably could have added another 5 if I thought about it a little, because they all sort of fall into that "only seen on a few occasions where they're not just in the background as part of the crowd" sort of category. Cricket O'Dell, Jackie Frost, Kumi Tanura, Noelle Claus. Even characters that are relatively well-known who made regular appearances "every so often" but usually aren't around, like Leroy Lodge or Souphead Jones. I read a story the other day where Jughead just casually mentions in passing that he talked to his cousin Knobhead -- (???), who probably never even appeared in an actual story.
Mr. Lodge
Leroy Lodge
Mr. Weatherbee
Ms. Grundy
Hot Dog
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In the 2nd to last issue of Life With Archie, Archie had a daughter & son. I was just thinking about them. Did they have names? I remember the son was coming home from school when the daughter was on the phone with her friend Vera. Those kids were good characters. If they didn't end Life With Archie & just made him a father. I think that would have been great. And also if the series continued they could made Jughead's son their friend. He would be another great character. But they didn't give him a name.
Inspired by this thread I looked up some stories featuring Wendy Weatherbee who I'd never heard of before and read a really cute story about her and Dilton called "Instant Chemistry." She's the main focus of only 2 other stories which are written and drawn by Fernando Ruiz: "Hair Apparent" and "Double W Exposure." Has anyone read any others where's not just a cameo?