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Seems doubtful they could be sophomores, or younger than 16. Archie, Reggie, Veronica and Betty all have some kind of driver's license -- possibly a provisional/restricted license, but not a learner's permit, which would require they be accompanied by an adult with a valid license while they're behind the wheel. Most states won't issue even a restricted license until age 16, and NO state will issue a full license at less than 16. And a restricted license would usually require them not to be on the road past a certain time (could be anywhere from 9 pm to midnight, depending on the state), and/or require them not to carry any more than one or two passengers.

Nope. Juniors in high school is really the only thing that works without significant complications of some sort. They have mobility and greater freedom than they did just a year or so earlier, but they don't have to worry about college or career plans for next fall.

As sophomores they're not old enough to get a driver's license. Or they might be, sometime before the school year ends, but not right from the beginning in September. Except maybe for Big Moose, who might be older than the others, for obvious reasons.

I mention the driving as something specifically established in the stories as a point of fact.

Quote from: gillibean on January 26, 2017, 07:48:32 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 26, 2017, 03:10:41 PM
As sophomores they're not old enough to get a driver's license. Or they might be, sometime before the school year ends, but not right from the beginning in September. Except maybe for Big Moose, who might be older than the others, for obvious reasons.

I mention the driving as something specifically established in the stories as a point of fact.

I agree that the Archie gang should be juniors... but actually, most Sophomores have their drivers license. Sophomore year is the year that we turn 16, and some of us even get them before school starts. I agree though, at the begining of the school year, not everyone is going to have a license so it make sense that Archie and the gang are Juniors (That's what I've always considered them)

Not for those with summer birthdays. Actually, in some states / districts, those with birthdays later in the year could go the entire year without turning 16.

If only Archie's site still had the old bios with the birthdays...

The other thing to mention here is that there are several stories where Archie and his friends are definitely referred to as upperclassmen (which would include both Juniors and Seniors). There are innumerable stories with Reggie "giving the business" (as Eddie Haskell used to say on Leave It To Beaver) to some frosh, which he could hardly expect to get away with as a Sophomore. Yet there are also stories where some particular incidental character is referred to as being a Senior, which would never be mentioned if Archie and the gang were themselves Seniors. Taken altogether with other things we know like them all having driver's licenses (apart from maybe Jughead - although I think I may have even seen a story or two with him driving), and never thinking about college or post-graduation plans (which they would literally be forced to as Seniors) leads to the only reasonable conclusion... they are Juniors, which neatly accounts for all of these things.

They're sophomores, I assume, because they want to write the series as they grow older and starting as young as possible, but with a bit more freedom that 16 provides is pretty good from a high school television writing standpoint,

My son is a sophomore. Some drive. Some don't.

I watched Riverdale. It was awesome. They really made Cheryl a Bitch. I didn't think Polly Cooper would even know Jason Blossom. Polly supposed be the older Sister. Then they wind up dating. I thought Jason had a crush on Betty. And Veronica's mom looks nothing like Veronica's mother in the comics. And it seems like Mr. Lodge is a criminal for stealing money. So that's why the family had to move to Riverdale.
I thought of some other things. Betty's mom is also a bitch. The first thing she says she's glad Jason Blossom is dead but later we learn that Polly dated Jason & he was mean to Polly. I guess that's why she hated Jason. And I do like Jughead's narrating the show but he was hardly in it. Only a few minutes at the end.And it seemed like Jughead & Archie hardly knew each other. They didn't even sit with each other in the gym.

Really liked it. Didn't like the Archie/Ms. Grundy subplot, though.

I was upset about brown eyes for Cheryl, but it actually fits her personality on the show, so I'm letting that go.
Also, I still think it was ironic that Jughead was Cody from the Suite Life. Zack was the slacker of the two on that show. Then again, it makes sense after all the changes to everyone else.

The CW website has the trailer for episode #2

...I actually said : sophomore : when I meant : junior : , I,m sorry .

Quote from: ASS-P on January 29, 2017, 09:51:38 PM
...I actually said : sophomore : when I meant : junior : , I,m sorry...I will say that wondering how they can drive according to their age and present-day driving rules is like asking how theey can run a tab at Pop Tate,s or why smaall town/city Riverdale still hass an active downtown instead of a Walmart or similar !

  Some fictional conventions of comics are rooted in an earlier era,s rules ...

I thought it was pretty good. The acting's pretty good, I like what they're doing with the main three (Veronica trying to be good, Betty trying to be perfect for everyone, and Archie trying to do right for everyone). And I like they kept music with Archie.

Betty Cooper's mom is creepy.

Josie and the Pussycats are jerks. Sheesh.

The only things I hate:

No Midge. Darn it, I wanted to see Moose beat people up! Now I'm going to have to wait until Betty finally snaps.

Show don't tell. We didn't see Archie do anything to show he's good at football and we only got the very end of the cheerleading and....I gotta be honest, with what little bit I saw, I wouldn't have Betty on the team either.

The Grundy/Archie subplot. Ugh. I know you had to get Archie at the lake to be connected to the mystery--but it really gave a blow to the character.

Kevin Keller having a little too much Jack from Will and Grace in him. Few times, I wanted to tell him to be quiet, but I still liked him overall.

Other thoughts.

Luke Perry is a good dad.

Cheryl Blossom was awesome as the alpha ....witch.

Jughead, well, he narrated and didn't do much...and yet I wish he was more of a main character than Archie. And I like his hat.

Sheesh. Archie's got muscles, he's not John Cena! Calm down!

I think it was a pretty good pilot. And I like the mystery at the end. Who shot Jason? Who gets arrested next episode. The only thing I really hate is the Ms. Grundy stuff. Heck, I'd rather it have been Reggie and he threatened to tell everyone what she did if she didn't give him good grades. But I guess Reggie is stuck with dumb jock friend if going by the pilot.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 26, 2017, 11:59:27 PM
The other thing to mention here is that there are several stories where Archie and his friends are definitely referred to as upperclassmen (which would include both Juniors and Seniors). There are innumerable stories with Reggie "giving the business" (as Eddie Haskell used to say on Leave It To Beaver) to some frosh, which he could hardly expect to get away with as a Sophomore. Yet there are also stories where some particular incidental character is referred to as being a Senior, which would never be mentioned if Archie and the gang were themselves Seniors. Taken altogether with other things we know like them all having driver's licenses (apart from maybe Jughead - although I think I may have even seen a story or two with him driving), and never thinking about college or post-graduation plans (which they would literally be forced to as Seniors) leads to the only reasonable conclusion... they are Juniors, which neatly accounts for all of these things.

Jughead's driven as far back as the 40's fwiw.

Quote from: steveinthecity on January 31, 2017, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 26, 2017, 11:59:27 PM
The other thing to mention here is that there are several stories where Archie and his friends are definitely referred to as upperclassmen (which would include both Juniors and Seniors). There are innumerable stories with Reggie "giving the business" (as Eddie Haskell used to say on Leave It To Beaver) to some frosh, which he could hardly expect to get away with as a Sophomore. Yet there are also stories where some particular incidental character is referred to as being a Senior, which would never be mentioned if Archie and the gang were themselves Seniors. Taken altogether with other things we know like them all having driver's licenses (apart from maybe Jughead - although I think I may have even seen a story or two with him driving), and never thinking about college or post-graduation plans (which they would literally be forced to as Seniors) leads to the only reasonable conclusion... they are Juniors, which neatly accounts for all of these things.

Jughead's driven as far back as the 40's fwiw.

That's what I was talking about, but stories where Jughead is behind the wheel of car seem to have become increasingly rare as the decades have passed.

Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
Betty Cooper's mom is creepy.

Not creepy, just a hardass. I'm glad that Betty finally stood up to her.

Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
Josie and the Pussycats are jerks. Sheesh.

Well, Josie is. Mel and Val are just there at this point.

Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
No Midge. Darn it, I wanted to see Moose beat people up! Now I'm going to have to wait until Betty finally snaps.

How are those related?

Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
The Grundy/Archie subplot. Ugh. I know you had to get Archie at the lake to be connected to the mystery--but it really gave a blow to the character.

Yes, she probably did.

Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
Cheryl Blossom was awesome as the alpha ....witch.

Yup, Cheryl is awesome. I think Camilla Mendes as Veronica stole the show, though (even my 76-year-old mom loves her). I love the moment where she confronted Cheryl at cheerleader tryouts, and you could tell Cheryl was intimidated by her. Good acting all around.

By the way, one of the trailers was cut in a way that insinuated both Betty and Veronica would go into the closet with Cheryl.

Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
Jughead, well, he narrated and didn't do much...and yet I wish he was more of a main character than Archie. And I like his hat.

I'm trying to make sense of Jughead's narration. The end of the episode had him narrating stuff that didn't even happen yet, such as the arrest that will come halfway through fifth period (which I'm guessing the next episode will actually show).

By the way, that will be Cheryl, judging by one of the trailers, which shows her being escorted by police. It's way too early for them to have caught the real killer, though.

Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
But I guess Reggie is stuck with dumb jock friend if going by the pilot.

Yeah, Mr. Hot Cougar Ass didn't impress me. Also, the actor's way too old.