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Title: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Imnotmark on April 02, 2016, 10:30:59 PM
I was curiouswhat everyone thought about this? I for one am really excited. I know it's not going to be the classic Archie everyone would want to see but they've got to appeal  to a newer audience.

The writer of Afterlife with Archie and Chilling Sabrina wrote the pilot episode so that's a good sign. I think the cast actually looks pretty good too.

Here is a great Instagram with behind the scenes photos of them filming if anyone is interested.

https://www.instagram.com/cwriverdalenews/
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Tuxedo Mark on April 02, 2016, 10:42:57 PM
Thanks for sharing that Instagram link. :)

I'm cautiously optimistic about the series. We'll see what happens. At the very least, I like how Betty and Cheryl look.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Imnotmark on April 02, 2016, 10:45:22 PM
Yeah I actually think if you look at the New Riverdale Comics everyone looks pretty close to those versions.

I'm hopeful, at the the very least we will get to see a live action Archie that could lead to more Archie!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 02, 2016, 10:56:28 PM
You obviously weren't here much before the forum was reset ... it won't be an Archie any of us knows certainly — I look at it as a separate Archieverse
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Imnotmark on April 02, 2016, 11:00:09 PM
Yeah me too. I think it's a good move for the brand though to try and pull in a younger audience but from the behind the scenes stuff I've seen it sort of feels like they are trying to have a balance of stuff the fans would know as well as new stuff.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 02, 2016, 11:51:43 PM
Well they have to put a bunch of old content in just to justify the name — which is a big part of the draw obviously ... and a gamble — they are somewhat burning their bridges with it it seems, especially if it makes it on the air ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Imnotmark on April 03, 2016, 12:06:52 AM
I'm not surprised nobody is optimistic about it.

I think it's sort of the best chance at an archie TV show though. I just don't think that adapting Archie crazy faithfully would have much of an audience as much as I wish it would.

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Imnotmark on April 03, 2016, 12:15:57 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 03, 2016, 12:10:18 AM
Quote from: Imnotmark on April 03, 2016, 12:06:52 AM
I'm not surprised nobody is optimistic about it.

I think it's sort of the best chance at an archie TV show though. I just don't think that adapting Archie crazy faithfully would have much of an audience as much as I wish it would.


I believe it truly could. You have so much room with creativity with Archie really making the colours pop and explore with costumes and perfected casting. I really wish I could be the creative artist over this project. They are doing what they do with every teen series instead of going out and making Archie what it truly can be



Oh believe me I would LOVE to see that it could be really awesome. It just seems like a long shot. If this show is moderately successful though maybe they give it a shot at some point.

Like I said I'm sort of encouraged by who wrote the pilot though. It all comes down to if the cast pulls it off.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Imnotmark on April 03, 2016, 12:45:47 AM
Yeah I can see how some of the casting gets people. They are really, really trying to diversify though to avoid being attacked and what not though.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on April 03, 2016, 12:47:10 AM
RIVERDALE's last night of filming! (video)  :D
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/716453860726824960/pu/vid/640x360/TcUotNgfHf6lrbCs.mp4 (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/716453860726824960/pu/vid/640x360/TcUotNgfHf6lrbCs.mp4)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce5wchGW8AEAQHt.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9p90fWQAEPIPV.jpg:large)


Archie with Sarah Habel (Miss. Grundy)  :o

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9_pPcXIAETmno.jpg)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 03, 2016, 01:15:36 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 02, 2016, 11:59:20 PM
It's not going to last past 2 seasons I can tell you that. My gut instincts tell me it's going to crash they casted incorrectly.



Unfortunately having a 'hot' cast will guarantee that this show lasts for at least 4 seasons of high school before teenage girls get bored and move onto something else. Freeform and CW now know the formula for a successful TV show and unfortunately it's not good writing or acting.


I think that the casting for Reggie is spot on though. And for those complaining that he is played by a half Asian, we don't know for sure if he is going to be Asian in the show. Kristen Kreuk played a white character in Smallville and she is also half Asian.


I also don't mind the race-bending because if Archie was created today it would be ethnically diverse. Also, the race of the characters don't affect who they are. It's the personality and characterisation changes especially with Jughead that I don't like.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Imnotmark on April 03, 2016, 02:29:36 AM
What do you guys mean how they are changing Jughead?

I haven't read much where are we getting that from?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 03, 2016, 02:59:41 AM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 03, 2016, 01:15:36 AM
I think that the casting for Reggie is spot on though. And for those complaining that he is played by a half Asian, we don't know for sure if he is going to be Asian in the show. Kristen Kreuk played a white character in Smallville and she is also half Asian.

Reggie is Asian now.  That actor can't pull off anything other than an Asian man, which is not his fault, it's the dumbasses making this show that cast him into that role.  This entire thing is going to be a monument to faux-liberal narcissism.


QuoteI also don't mind the race-bending because if Archie was created today it would be ethnically diverse. Also, the race of the characters don't affect who they are. It's the personality and characterisation changes especially with Jughead that I don't like.

Oh please.  The race of the characters matter.  You ONLY think it doesn't matter when the characters are white.  You think they would dare race swap a minority character?  How about having some guts and sticking up for the intellectual property and the rich history of these characters instead of changing it wildly because the flavor of the month political correctness bandwagon BS says race swapping characters is okay now instead of it being enormously asinine like anyone with common sense thought before 2011 when white guilt social media virtue signalling went into hyper drive?

QuoteThey are really, really trying to diversify though to avoid being attacked and what not though.

They're huge cowards then.  The people behind this show don't seem to be huge fans of the characters as is thus emo Jughead, Hispanic convict Hiarm Lodge and racially singular Josie and the Pussycats.  Also the obsession with remaking Twin Peaks when that has nothing to do with Archie Comics.  Might as well make an Archie version of Dune with giant sand worms and everything.  It makes about as much sense.  The only people who should be making Twin Peaks are named David Lynch.  If you talk about making your Archie Comics show into Twin Peaks in interviews, chances are you're a pretentious hack.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Imnotmark on April 03, 2016, 03:26:23 AM
It's this sort of pessimism and hate that drives me nuts.

I get that we all have our ideas about how archie should be adapted or any other property for that matter. At the end of the day there will never be perfect or exact adaptations.

I just can't find the point in being so negative about it though. This could literally be the only time we ever even come close to a live action Archie TV show.

Will it be different? Will it change a lot of things? Yes.

Could it suck? Yes. Could it be good? Yes

At the very least try and be hopeful you find something you like about it because it's the Archie Show you are getting. 

Nobody involved with this show is trying to cash in or just phone it in. It's not like the world is clamoring for an Archie TV show. They are trying to make something good.

No reason to be negative before giving things a shot.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 03, 2016, 04:31:21 AM
QuoteIt's this sort of pessimism and hate that drives me nuts.

Go nuts then.  Last time I checked the PC Police haven't removed my freedom of speech here yet.

QuoteI get that we all have our ideas about how archie should be adapted or any other property for that matter. At the end of the day there will never be perfect or exact adaptations.

Straw man argument.  I never said it had to be a perfect adaptation.  But there's a difference between an imperfect adaptation and turning said adaptation into an inane vanity project and  sucking up to morons who think they are changing the world by politicizing and bastardizing obscure pop culture artifacts.

QuoteI just can't find the point in being so negative about it though. This could literally be the only time we ever even come close to a live action Archie TV show.

A lot of fans would like to have nothing instead of being slapped in the face and fed a **** sandwich.  That's not surprising really.  Avatar the Last Airbender also had one chance at having a live action adaptation.  Didn't change the fact it was a huge turd mostly known for ridiculous race swapping.

QuoteWill it be different? Will it change a lot of things? Yes.

Maybe the people involved should just make something original instead of dragging something that already exists through the mud.

QuoteCould it suck? Yes.

Agreed.

QuoteCould it be good? Yes

Nope, it's going to suck.

QuoteAt the very least try and be hopeful you find something you like about it because it's the Archie Show you are getting.

I don't care.  I'd rather have no Archie show if this was the one they're going to give me.

QuoteNobody involved with this show is trying to cash in or just phone it in.

I disagree.  It's an extremely cynical attempt at cashing in and everything that has been leaked about this thing reeks of bad fanfiction.  Can't get more phoned in than that.  Everyone involved is at fault for what this turned into, and that goes straight to the top of the company.

QuoteNo reason to be negative before giving things a shot.

This is the same tired line I hear before everything that looks like it's going to be terrible.  "Guys, the Jem movie could be good!  Give it a shot!  You haven't seen it yet!  Stop being negative!"  Turned out it was one of the worst movies ever made and it took a huge crap on the fans.  Not thinking like that anymore means I've stopped being naive.  And holy crap, it's not like TV pilots are known for being film making master pieces.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Imnotmark on April 03, 2016, 11:22:45 AM
Wow okay you win. I'm not here to go back and forth on this.

Enjoy being that negative.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 03, 2016, 12:10:45 PM
Well I still haven't changed my mind about how I feel about this new TV series. I still despise it. I hope it won't last, but seeing as there are shows on TV that are just absolutely horrible and yet have lasted for years, it wouldn't surprise me if this thing lasts.
They have changed so many things to the point that the only thing this show has in common with the comics is just the name, and the character's names. That's about it. They have absolutely no respect towards the legacy of the comic and to the fans.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 03, 2016, 01:10:35 PM
There's a lot there that I won't disagree with — passion or no, but ...
Quote from: B-ko on April 03, 2016, 04:31:21 AM
QuoteCould it be good? Yes
Nope, it's going to suck.
The show as a whole may not on it's own terms — it will definitely suck at being Archie.

QuoteEveryone involved is at fault for what this turned into, and that goes straight to the top of the company.
You should not blame the cast or crew — they get next to no creative input, not even Luke Perry could rewrite more than trivia even for his own character ... most probably don't know lots more than the name anyway and are just trying to get by ... blame the people who created it and the Archie management who support it and such, yes, but only them.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 03, 2016, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 03, 2016, 12:10:45 PM
They have changed so many things to the point that the only thing this show has in common with the comics is just the name, and the character's names. That's about it. They have absolutely no respect towards the legacy of the comic and to the fans.
Comics have never gotten much respect — just a fact of life ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 03, 2016, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: Imnotmark on April 03, 2016, 11:22:45 AM
Wow okay you win. I'm not here to go back and forth on this.

Enjoy being that negative.

Maybe because you can't?  Strong convictions you got there.  Oh, I'm spreading not only hate now but negativity too.  Cool, I'm like a mahou shoujo villain.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

QuoteThe show as a whole may not on it's own terms — it will definitely suck at being Archie.

I think it will suck in general.  There's nothing about this that doesn't sound cringe worthy. 

QuoteYou should not blame the cast or crew — they get next to no creative input, not even Luke Perry could rewrite more than trivia even for his own character ... most probably don't know lots more than the name anyway and are just trying to get by ... blame the people who created it and the Archie management who support it and such, yes, but only them.

I said something similar earlier about the actor for Reggie, I meant the creative/production/ownership side.  But something people shouldn't do is hide behind the actors.  Like if we see Jon Goldwater responding to a question about controversial cast race changes by just praising the actors, he's a full of **** liar because that's what every white person has ever done in a similar position where they made the call on something like that.  I also don't think the actors and crew have to be supported.  They are already privileged enough to be in show busines, and that's real privilege, not the BS Tumblr kind.  Most people are doing real jobs that require a lot more work with no thank you or public recognition of any kind.

QuoteComics have never gotten much respect — just a fact of life ...

In this case, one of the people that doesn't respect them was granted ownership stake in the company and is related by blood to the people who did treat them with respect in the past.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 03, 2016, 02:25:16 PM
I wonder wha will happen if the TV SHOW doesn't pan out.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 03, 2016, 02:29:21 PM
I myself  fine with race swapping, but I sure as s**t am NOT FINE WITH INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS.  THEY ARE OUTDATED!


SENT FROM MY BRAIN VIA MY HANDS.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Imnotmark on April 03, 2016, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: B-ko on April 03, 2016, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: Imnotmark on April 03, 2016, 11:22:45 AM
Wow okay you win. I'm not here to go back and forth on this.

Enjoy being that negative.

Maybe because you can't?  Strong convictions you got there.  Oh, I'm spreading not only hate now but negativity too.  Cool, I'm like a mahou shoujo villain.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

QuoteThe show as a whole may not on it's own terms — it will definitely suck at being Archie.

I think it will suck in general.  There's nothing about this that doesn't sound cringe worthy. 

QuoteYou should not blame the cast or crew — they get next to no creative input, not even Luke Perry could rewrite more than trivia even for his own character ... most probably don't know lots more than the name anyway and are just trying to get by ... blame the people who created it and the Archie management who support it and such, yes, but only them.

I said something similar earlier about the actor for Reggie, I meant the creative/production/ownership side.  But something people shouldn't do is hide behind the actors.  Like if we see Jon Goldwater responding to a question about controversial cast race changes by just praising the actors, he's a full of **** liar because that's what every white person has ever done in a similar position where they made the call on something like that.  I also don't think the actors and crew have to be supported.  They are already privileged enough to be in show busines, and that's real privilege, not the BS Tumblr kind.  Most people are doing real jobs that require a lot more work with no thank you or public recognition of any kind.

QuoteComics have never gotten much respect — just a fact of life ...

In this case, one of the people that doesn't respect them was granted ownership stake in the company and is related by blood to the people who did treat them with respect in the past.

Oh I can go back and forth but you are so shitty and cynical and impossible that it's not worth the effort.

I'm here to share in my love of Archie not argue with incredibly rude people about archie.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 03, 2016, 07:41:18 PM
Quote from: Imnotmark on April 03, 2016, 07:19:59 PM
Oh I can go back and forth but you are so shitty and cynical and impossible that it's not worth the effort.

I'm here to share in my love of Archie not argue with incredibly rude people about archie.

Oh, cool, you can, but you won't because I'm so cynical and shitty.  XD  Your first contact with me was calling my opinions "hate."  Not trying to retort me, but crying about the fact I posted bad think.  If you think that was hate, you've probably have never experienced it in your entire life.

Maybe you should stop crying and calling me names like a big blubbering baby?  Or you could get even saltier and I could use said salt to rim my margarita glass.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Fernando Ruiz on April 03, 2016, 08:21:37 PM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 03, 2016, 02:25:16 PM
I wonder wha will happen if the TV SHOW doesn't pan out.


Archie Comics is wondering this too.





Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 03, 2016, 08:29:12 PM
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 03, 2016, 08:21:37 PM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 03, 2016, 02:25:16 PM
I wonder wha will happen if the TV SHOW doesn't pan out.


Archie Comics is wondering this too.

Thank You Fernando!  You just made my week!  To have someone as important as you to respond to me, let alone it being your first post, means something to me!  It means that there is a slim possibility that I wont be a nobody all my life!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 03, 2016, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: B-ko on April 03, 2016, 02:20:03 PM
QuoteThe show as a whole may not on it's own terms — it will definitely suck at being Archie.
I think it will suck in general.  There's nothing about this that doesn't sound cringe worthy. 
One person's suck is another man's bl... er, ... probably should refrain from finishing that, but a lot of people will probably enjoy it ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Original Sin on April 04, 2016, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 03, 2016, 12:24:04 AM
I'm flabbergasted over the Reggie casting
To me Reggie is this drop dead gorgeous James dean type but who is a total jerk face
I don't see that with this casting.
Veronica got me up in arms with her crazy eyebrows lol
I cried Kill Me Now! when I saw the Reggie casting.  :tickedoff:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 04, 2016, 11:06:11 AM
By James Dean, are you guys talking about Porno James Dean?  Or the dead one? (LOL)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 04, 2016, 12:52:25 PM
Quote from: Original Sin on April 04, 2016, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 03, 2016, 12:24:04 AM
I'm flabbergasted over the Reggie casting
To me Reggie is this drop dead gorgeous James dean type but who is a total jerk face
I don't see that with this casting.
Veronica got me up in arms with her crazy eyebrows lol
I cried Kill Me Now! when I saw the Reggie casting.  :tickedoff:


Same here. Reggie deserves much better. E
Everything about this is wrong, wrong, wrong!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on April 04, 2016, 06:23:04 PM
I can't wait, it's going be great. It's cool to see Like Perry in something new.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 04, 2016, 10:12:32 PM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 04, 2016, 11:06:11 AM
By James Dean, are you guys talking about Porno James Dean?  Or the dead one? (LOL)

No, I don't think they're referring to porn rapist James Deen.   ;D
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: swiss watch on April 04, 2016, 10:43:34 PM
I'm hoping for the best and expecting the worst.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 03:27:35 AM
I think the actor for Reggie is one of the few that actually looks like the comic book character. Archie is way off, he's not a natural red head for starters, where are his freckles? and since when did Archie look like a model? Jughead is also very poorly cast, he's not meant to be a "heartthrob". The girls are better but still don't look much like their comic book counterparts. None of the parents look like the comics, they're all overweight or old in the comics and in this show they're hot and young. Too bad they couldn't draw inspiration from the casting of the fan Riverdale trailer who had actors that resembled the comics more.

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: PTF on April 05, 2016, 08:54:34 AM
I'm willing to give this show a chance. That...and I think it'll be like Gotham, so bad that I laugh my head off. :)

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Pepperoth on April 05, 2016, 10:19:17 AM
They had to cast a non natural redhead as Archie.  I can't think of a single good-looking orange-haired freckled man, actor or not. Usually they just look like Prince Harry or Rick Astley, yuck. KJ Apa is bland and his shade of red is really weird.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 05, 2016, 10:34:04 AM
QuoteI think the actor for Reggie is one of the few that actually looks like the comic book character.


??? :idiot2:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on April 05, 2016, 12:50:24 PM
Archie & the guys will be Hot For Teacher.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 05, 2016, 03:26:23 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 05, 2016, 10:34:04 AM
QuoteI think the actor for Reggie is one of the few that actually looks like the comic book character.


??? :idiot2:

Current Archie Logic:

Reggie has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Reggie is Asian!
Dilton has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Dilton is Asian!
Veronica has dark hair + Latinas have dark hair = Veronica is Latina!

WE'RE BEING PROGRESSIVE AND DIVERSE!  MEDIA PRAISE US AND GIVE US MONEY PLOX! WE'RE NOT OUT OF TOUCH OR CLUELESS AT ALL!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 05, 2016, 03:43:43 PM
Quote from: B-ko on April 05, 2016, 03:26:23 PM
Current Archie Logic:

Reggie has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Reggie is Asian!
Dilton has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Dilton is Asian!
Veronica has dark hair + Latinas have dark hair = Veronica is Latina!

WE'RE BEING PROGRESSIVE AND DIVERSE!  MEDIA PRAISE US AND GIVE US MONEY PLOX! WE'RE NOT OUT OF TOUCH OR CLUELESS AT ALL!
You forgot the "Dilton is smart → Dilton must be Asian" cliche
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 05, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 05, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
What's up with miss grundy?!?!
Like really?! A young hot 20 something year old looks like
Well, according to script leaks Archie is having affair with one of his teachers .... doesn't say which of course, but why add no-name teachers ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 05, 2016, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 05, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 05, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
What's up with miss grundy?!?!
Like really?! A young hot 20 something year old looks like
Well, according to script leaks Archie is having affair with one of his teachers .... doesn't say which of course, but why add no-name teachers ...

Sounds like rule 34 stuff.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: swiss watch on April 05, 2016, 04:37:24 PM
Not just Hot For Teacher. One of the script leaks describes Moose as having 'a soft spot for milfs.' Between that, the casting and Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa's mediocre writing, I won't be watching this. In fact, I'm almost glad the casting is so bizarre because it might ensure that after this series ends, people won't associate it with Archie.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on April 05, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 05, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 05, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
What's up with miss grundy?!?!
Like really?! A young hot 20 something year old looks like
Well, according to script leaks Archie is having affair with one of his teachers .... doesn't say which of course, but why add no-name teachers ...

All the guys will fall in love with the new Miss Grundy!  :2funny:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9hcY_UUAAjWng.jpg)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 05, 2016, 05:12:39 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 05, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 05, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 05, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
What's up with miss grundy?!?!
Like really?! A young hot 20 something year old looks like
Well, according to script leaks Archie is having affair with one of his teachers .... doesn't say which of course, but why add no-name teachers ...

All the guys will fall in love with the new Miss Grundy!  :2funny:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9hcY_UUAAjWng.jpg)

THANK YOU JON GOLDWATER AND ROBERTO AGUIRRE-SACASA FOR CHANGING ARCHIE COMICS SO ARCHIE F***S MISS GRUNDY!  THIS IS WHAT ALL YOUR FANS REALLY WANTED ALL THESE YEARS!  KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK WITH THESE SHOW BUSINESS ENDEAVORS!  HOPEFULLY YOU GET SUPPLIED WITH ALL THE COCAINE YOU WANT!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: swiss watch on April 05, 2016, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 05, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 05, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 05, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
What's up with miss grundy?!?!
Like really?! A young hot 20 something year old looks like
Well, according to script leaks Archie is having affair with one of his teachers .... doesn't say which of course, but why add no-name teachers ...

All the guys will fall in love with the new Miss Grundy!  :2funny:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9hcY_UUAAjWng.jpg)


For a series that prides itself on diversity, it's odd that they're making all the old ugly characters young, skinny and hot.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 05, 2016, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: swiss watch on April 05, 2016, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 05, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 05, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 05, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
What's up with miss grundy?!?!
Like really?! A young hot 20 something year old looks like
Well, according to script leaks Archie is having affair with one of his teachers .... doesn't say which of course, but why add no-name teachers ...

All the guys will fall in love with the new Miss Grundy!  :2funny:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9hcY_UUAAjWng.jpg)


For a series that prides itself on diversity, it's odd that they're making all the old ugly characters young, skinny and hot.

Why would you trust the words that come out of these people's mouths in the first place?  They've consistently lied to people about stuff including titles being canceled and a shady as heck Kickstarter campaign.  It's just the comic book/nerd media is in the tank for Nu Archie Comics, so the only thing they do is lavish on praise.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: CAPalace on April 05, 2016, 05:27:52 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 05, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 05, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 05, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
What's up with miss grundy?!?!
Like really?! A young hot 20 something year old looks like
Well, according to script leaks Archie is having affair with one of his teachers .... doesn't say which of course, but why add no-name teachers ...

All the guys will fall in love with the new Miss Grundy!  :2funny:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9hcY_UUAAjWng.jpg)

Wait, so this wasn't an April Fool's Day joke??? They announced this casting on April 1st (at least on Tumblr)... Wow.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 05, 2016, 05:28:24 PM
What's next? A statuesque Ethel who is having a fling with all the male faculty members including the young hunk Mr. Svenson? This is beyond words stupid.

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on April 05, 2016, 05:29:21 PM
Are they going make her look ugly, Mrs. Gundy not good looking at all. She wears that terrible bun. She has no body at all. Maybe they cast Hugh Jackman to be Mr. Weatherbee. I would love to go that school.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: CAPalace on April 05, 2016, 05:31:46 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 05, 2016, 05:28:24 PM
What's next? A statuesque Ethel who is having a fling with all the male faculty members including the young hunk Mr. Svenson? This is beyond words stupid.

Either that or they'll make her one of the "meth heads" that the people who supposedly saw the pilot script were talking about.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 05, 2016, 05:35:39 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 05, 2016, 05:28:24 PM
What's next? A statuesque Ethel who is having a fling with all the male faculty members including the young hunk Mr. Svenson? This is beyond words stupid.

But don't you trust Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa's skill at recycling edgy cliche storylines from crappy teen dramas of the past?  XD  I also heard he got his hands on rejected scripts from Degrassi that were too edgy for Canadian TV and is going to mine them for new daring ideas.  God, I'm so glad Jon Goldwater is so entranced by this creative talent that he made him into Chief Creative Officer for the entire company!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: swiss watch on April 05, 2016, 05:37:13 PM
Quote from: B-ko on April 05, 2016, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: swiss watch on April 05, 2016, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 05, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 05, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 05, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
What's up with miss grundy?!?!
Like really?! A young hot 20 something year old looks like
Well, according to script leaks Archie is having affair with one of his teachers .... doesn't say which of course, but why add no-name teachers ...

All the guys will fall in love with the new Miss Grundy!  :2funny:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9hcY_UUAAjWng.jpg)


For a series that prides itself on diversity, it's odd that they're making all the old ugly characters young, skinny and hot.

Why would you trust the words that come out of these people's mouths in the first place?  They've consistently lied to people about stuff including titles being canceled and a shady as heck Kickstarter campaign.  It's just the comic book/nerd media is in the tank for Nu Archie Comics, so the only thing they do is lavish on praise.

Oh, I don't trust them anymore, or the reviewers who act like the horror titles and reboots are the second coming (though the reboots are better). I was just being sarcastic about their hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: swiss watch on April 05, 2016, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: B-ko on April 05, 2016, 03:26:23 PM

Current Archie Logic:

Reggie has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Reggie is Asian!
Dilton has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Dilton is Asian!
Veronica has dark hair + Latinas have dark hair = Veronica is Latina!


I agree with this. I'm a minority and I've never wanted the characters to look like me or anything but white.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 05, 2016, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: swiss watch on April 05, 2016, 05:37:13 PM
Quote from: B-ko on April 05, 2016, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: swiss watch on April 05, 2016, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 05, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 05, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 05, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
What's up with miss grundy?!?!
Like really?! A young hot 20 something year old looks like
Well, according to script leaks Archie is having affair with one of his teachers .... doesn't say which of course, but why add no-name teachers ...

All the guys will fall in love with the new Miss Grundy!  :2funny:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9hcY_UUAAjWng.jpg)


For a series that prides itself on diversity, it's odd that they're making all the old ugly characters young, skinny and hot.

Why would you trust the words that come out of these people's mouths in the first place?  They've consistently lied to people about stuff including titles being canceled and a shady as heck Kickstarter campaign.  It's just the comic book/nerd media is in the tank for Nu Archie Comics, so the only thing they do is lavish on praise.

Oh, I don't trust them anymore, or the reviewers who act like the horror titles and reboots are the second coming (though the reboots are better). I was just being sarcastic about their hypocrisy.

Anything coming out of internet meida about nerdy subjects is extremely corrupted.  A lot of people don't understand this except for maybe video game fans.  The people that priase them for everything don't represent their fans or even comic book readers.  Most of them take jobs like this as a second choice because they couldn't make the cut to write tripe for the Huffington Post. etc.  Some of them are even ghost written by complete randos who just want the money.  I do freelance writing, I've seen this kind of thing first hand.

One of the authors of a recent article straight up admitted to having never read Archie Comics but still criticized old Archie as "conservative" as a device for praising new changes like the ones in this TV pilot.  LOL!  The sad thing is the CEO is probably so out of touch he doesn't know the internet media and Twitter activists that praise him are a bunch of bullshit artists that don't care about whether or not the company is able to survive financially.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on April 05, 2016, 05:54:24 PM
Archie with Sarah Habel (Miss. Grundy)
Archie seems to work in construction!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9_pPcXIAETmno.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfDDp7DWEAY5LHb.jpg)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 05, 2016, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 05, 2016, 05:54:24 PM
Archie with Sarah Habel (Miss. Grundy)
Archie seems to work in construction!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9_pPcXIAETmno.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfDDp7DWEAY5LHb.jpg)

So this wasn't an April Fool's joke like CAPalace suggested.  Oh god, this is beyond self parody at this point.   ;D ;D ;D

Edit:  Should I make an Archie x Miss Grundy thread?  LOL.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 05, 2016, 06:03:00 PM

Quote from: CAPalace on April 05, 2016, 05:31:46 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 05, 2016, 05:28:24 PM
What's next? A statuesque Ethel who is having a fling with all the male faculty members including the young hunk Mr. Svenson? This is beyond words stupid.


Either that or they'll make her one of the "meth heads" that the people who supposedly saw the pilot script were talking about.


It wouldn't surprise me if they turned her into a meth head.


Quote from: B-ko on April 05, 2016, 05:35:39 PM


But don't you trust Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa's skill at recycling edgy cliche storylines from crappy teen dramas of the past?  XD  I also heard he got his hands on rejected scripts from Degrassi that were too edgy for Canadian TV and is going to mine them for new daring ideas.  God, I'm so glad Jon Goldwater is so entranced by this creative talent that he made him into Chief Creative Officer for the entire company!


I don't know whether to laugh or be pissed, any more. Meanwhile they are patting themselves on the back.


Quote from: swiss watch on April 05, 2016, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: B-ko on April 05, 2016, 03:26:23 PM


Current Archie Logic:


Reggie has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Reggie is Asian!
Dilton has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Dilton is Asian!
Veronica has dark hair + Latinas have dark hair = Veronica is Latina!




I agree with this. I'm a minority and I've never wanted the characters to look like me or anything but white.


Yeah, same here.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: CAPalace on April 05, 2016, 06:10:39 PM
Quote from: B-ko on April 05, 2016, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 05, 2016, 05:54:24 PM
Archie with Sarah Habel (Miss. Grundy)
Archie seems to work in construction!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9_pPcXIAETmno.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfDDp7DWEAY5LHb.jpg)

So this wasn't an April Fool's joke like CAPalace suggested.  Oh god, this is beyond self parody at this point.   ;D ;D ;D

Edit:  Should I make an Archie x Miss Grundy thread?  LOL.

Welp.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: swiss watch on April 05, 2016, 06:19:51 PM
Quote from: B-ko on April 05, 2016, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: swiss watch on April 05, 2016, 05:37:13 PM
Quote from: B-ko on April 05, 2016, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: swiss watch on April 05, 2016, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 05, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 05, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 05, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
What's up with miss grundy?!?!
Like really?! A young hot 20 something year old looks like
Well, according to script leaks Archie is having affair with one of his teachers .... doesn't say which of course, but why add no-name teachers ...

All the guys will fall in love with the new Miss Grundy!  :2funny:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9hcY_UUAAjWng.jpg)


For a series that prides itself on diversity, it's odd that they're making all the old ugly characters young, skinny and hot.

Why would you trust the words that come out of these people's mouths in the first place?  They've consistently lied to people about stuff including titles being canceled and a shady as heck Kickstarter campaign.  It's just the comic book/nerd media is in the tank for Nu Archie Comics, so the only thing they do is lavish on praise.

Oh, I don't trust them anymore, or the reviewers who act like the horror titles and reboots are the second coming (though the reboots are better). I was just being sarcastic about their hypocrisy.

Anything coming out of internet meida about nerdy subjects is extremely corrupted.  A lot of people don't understand this except for maybe video game fans.  The people that priase them for everything don't represent their fans or even comic book readers.  Most of them take jobs like this as a second choice because they couldn't make the cut to write tripe for the Huffington Post. etc.  Some of them are even ghost written by complete randos who just want the money.  I do freelance writing, I've seen this kind of thing first hand.

One of the authors of a recent article straight up admitted to having never read Archie Comics but still criticized old Archie as "conservative" as a device for praising new changes like the ones in this TV pilot.  LOL!  The sad thing is the CEO is probably so out of touch he doesn't know the internet media and Twitter activists that praise him are a bunch of bullshit artists that don't care about whether or not the company is able to survive financially.

I didn't know that insider stuff about the people who write reviews, but I thought something must be up for them to say the new titles are  so much better than the house style stories. They can't be that stupid.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 05, 2016, 06:43:20 PM
Just posted my official thank you thread to Roberto-Aguirre Sacasa for making Archie x Miss Grundy a reality!  Please show your gratitude, everyone!

http://www.archiefans.com/all-about-archie/thank-you-roberto-aguirre-sacasa-for-making-archie-x-miss-grundy-canon! (http://www.archiefans.com/all-about-archie/thank-you-roberto-aguirre-sacasa-for-making-archie-x-miss-grundy-canon!/msg454/?topicseen#new)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on April 05, 2016, 06:48:28 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 05, 2016, 06:31:34 PM
LMFAO!!!!!! Oh my god
I know like I am sure this show on its own could be good but it's nothing anywhere near what Archie is about or what we would of wanted as fans

What is funny in a comics may not be as funny in a TV show with real humans.  ???
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: B-ko on April 05, 2016, 03:26:23 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 05, 2016, 10:34:04 AM
QuoteI think the actor for Reggie is one of the few that actually looks like the comic book character.


??? :idiot2:

Current Archie Logic:

Reggie has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Reggie is Asian!
Dilton has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Dilton is Asian!
Veronica has dark hair + Latinas have dark hair = Veronica is Latina!

WE'RE BEING PROGRESSIVE AND DIVERSE!  MEDIA PRAISE US AND GIVE US MONEY PLOX! WE'RE NOT OUT OF TOUCH OR CLUELESS AT ALL!


My point, which you have just made, is that since Archie is white, no one is complaining even though he does not look anything like the comic book character.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: CAPalace on April 05, 2016, 07:03:37 PM
I watch a lot of Asian dramas, and when they make a live-action adaption of a cartoon or comic there, they keep the overall mood/spirit of the original source. A lot of them are kind of corny, but they have a lot of heart and are often funny (depending on the source material). I just don't get why in America we have to be all "Make it DAAARRRKKK it'll be great." No. No. Stop it.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 05, 2016, 07:24:00 PM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: B-ko on April 05, 2016, 03:26:23 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 05, 2016, 10:34:04 AM
QuoteI think the actor for Reggie is one of the few that actually looks like the comic book character.


??? :idiot2:

Current Archie Logic:

Reggie has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Reggie is Asian!
Dilton has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Dilton is Asian!
Veronica has dark hair + Latinas have dark hair = Veronica is Latina!

WE'RE BEING PROGRESSIVE AND DIVERSE!  MEDIA PRAISE US AND GIVE US MONEY PLOX! WE'RE NOT OUT OF TOUCH OR CLUELESS AT ALL!


My point, which you have just made, is that since Archie is white, no one is complaining even though he does not look anything like the comic book character.

People in this forum did complain about it.  I complained about it.  Are you suggesting  though that changing someone's race isn't as drastic as making them more ripped and taking away their freckles?  I know we live in the age of Rachel Dolezal and Shawn King, but changing your race isn't exactly like getting a new hair cut. 
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 07:40:24 PM
Archie's red hair and freckles and his average looks are iconic to the character. Race change would be a problem if their race was what defined the character and made them special.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 05, 2016, 08:00:48 PM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 07:40:24 PM
Archie's red hair and freckles and his average looks are iconic to the character. Race change would be a problem if their race was what defined the character and made them special.

Do you ever read these opinions of yours through and think them out logically?  Is red hair and freckles not something intrinsically tied to a person's race?  I like though that race only doesn't matter to certain people, except when it does, which is always, or else these characters wouldn't have their races altered in the first place.  It's called cognitive dissonance.  The ones who say they don't care about race are the ones most obsessed with it and thinking about it constantly.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 08:07:18 PM



Quote
Is red hair and freckles not something intrinsically tied to a person's race?
Yes, that's why I don't have a problem with Archie's race being kept but more with how they changed his features and personality.




QuoteThe ones who say they don't care about race are the ones most obsessed with it and thinking about it constantly.
Because you are obsessed with race and all of your arguments have been about race so I'm responding to those complaints.



Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 05, 2016, 08:22:47 PM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 08:07:18 PM
Quote
Is red hair and freckles not something intrinsically tied to a person's race?
Yes, that's why I don't have a problem with Archie's race being kept but more with how they changed his features and personality.

Read this reply of yours again please and see it make sense this time. So you're saying if they would have changed Archie's race, but kept the freckles and red hair, that wouldn't be idiotic like it obviously would be?   ;D


QuoteThe ones who say they don't care about race are the ones most obsessed with it and thinking about it constantly.
QuoteBecause you are obsessed with race and all of your arguments have been about race so I'm responding to those complaints.

Ah, the great debate strartegy of the philosopher, Peewee Herman.  Umm, how about this, I wouldn't have said anything if Archie Comics and CW hadn't included these ridiculous race changes, which makes them look like pandering morons who don't care about Archie Comics at best and racists at worst?  How about that? 

Did you approve of all the race changes in the Last Airbender and 21 as well?  Since you don't think race matters right?  You must be totally consistent with that right?  If race doesn't matter, then it was okay to make all the Asian characters in the Last Airbender and 21 white people.  That's your position after all since race wasn't their defining trait as characters.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 08:37:57 PM
Quote
Quote
QuoteIs red hair and freckles not something intrinsically tied to a person's race?
Yes, that's why I don't have a problem with Archie's race being kept but more with how they changed his features and personality.

Read this reply of yours again please and see it make sense this time. So you're saying if they would have changed Archie's race, but kept the freckles and red hair, that wouldn't be idiotic like it obviously would be?   ;D 

It still makes sense  ;D . I said the exact opposite actually, that they were right to keep Archie's race as white.


QuoteDid you approve of all the race changes in the Last Airbender and 21 as well?  Since you don't think race matters right?  You must be totally consistent with that right?  If race doesn't matter, then it was okay to make all the Asian characters in the Last Airbender and 21 white people.  That's your position after all since those weren't their defining traits as characters.

Um, no. 21 is based on a real story so they should have kept the races the same. I don't know much about Last Airbender because I'm not a fan but from what I gather the characters weren't specified as Asians but just "Asian inspired" so the race change wasn't a big concern here. The bigger problem with casting non-white actors in these roles is that there is little opportunity for people of colour to work in the industry already so changing the races of these characters diminishes their chances even more.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 05, 2016, 08:58:32 PM
QuoteUm, no. 21 is based on a real story so they should have kept the races the same. I don't know much about Last Airbender because I'm not a fan but from what I gather the characters weren't specified as Asians but just "Asian inspired" so the race change wasn't a big concern here. The bigger problem with casting non-white actors in these roles is that there is little opportunity for people of colour to work in the industry already so changing the races of these characters diminishes their chances even more.


The characters of Archie Comics are based on people Bob Montanta knew.  Why do the creators' input not matter to you? 

It's about Asian culture, they're Asian, they look Asian, they're presented as being Asian.  Also the term "people of color" doesn't refer to a good percentage of Asian people.  It's used by SJWs as a buzzword, but it can't be applied to every context.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 09:26:57 PM

QuoteThe characters of Archie Comics are based on people Bob Montanta knew.  Why do the creators' input not matter to you? 


Because that was nearly a century ago and the look of a town back then is a lot different than what it is like today. I'm sure that if Archie was created today, it would represent a lot of diverse groups like the show is trying to do.

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 05, 2016, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 09:26:57 PM

QuoteThe characters of Archie Comics are based on people Bob Montanta knew.  Why do the creators' input not matter to you? 


Because that was nearly a century ago and the look of a town back then is a lot different than what it is like today. I'm sure that if Archie was created today, it would represent a lot of diverse groups like the show is trying to do.


Can you express an argument without using virtue signalling buzz words like diversity and POC?

Regardless, Archie Comics wasn't created today, and it certainly looks like if it was it would be total and utter garbage like this pilot is turning into.  If this pilot is what Archie would be if it was created today, it wouldn't be remembered tomorrow let alone 70 years from now.  If you liked the comics and characters, maybe you would actually have more of an issue with them being changed into something totally unrecognizable.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 09:43:46 PM
Quote
Regardless, Archie Comics wasn't created today, and it certainly looks like if it was it would be total and utter garbage like this pilot is turning into.  If this pilot is what Archie would be if it was created today, it wouldn't be remembered tomorrow let alone 70 years from now.  If you liked the comics and characters, maybe you would actually have more of an issue with them being changed into something totally unrecognizable.


The point is Archie Comics has always been diverse right from the get-go and everyone was accepted for who they are. There were old people, young people, fat people, skinny people, ugly people, beautiful people, nerds, jocks, freckled people etc. Then over the years they added more diversity like having black characters such as Chuck as the look of America started to change and now we have a gay person with Kevin Kellar. Diversity isn't new with Archie, it's just been updated to include more diversity in races to represent today. If the show was set in the 50s, that would be a different story, but it isn't.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 05, 2016, 11:40:29 PM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 09:43:46 PM
Quote
Regardless, Archie Comics wasn't created today, and it certainly looks like if it was it would be total and utter garbage like this pilot is turning into.  If this pilot is what Archie would be if it was created today, it wouldn't be remembered tomorrow let alone 70 years from now.  If you liked the comics and characters, maybe you would actually have more of an issue with them being changed into something totally unrecognizable.


The point is Archie Comics has always been diverse right from the get-go and everyone was accepted for who they are. There were old people, young people, fat people, skinny people, ugly people, beautiful people, nerds, jocks, freckled people etc. Then over the years they added more diversity like having black characters such as Chuck as the look of America started to change and now we have a gay person with Kevin Kellar. Diversity isn't new with Archie, it's just been updated to include more diversity in races to represent today. If the show was set in the 50s, that would be a different story, but it isn't.

I specifically asked that you make an argument without the buzzword diversity right above the part you quoted.  You didn't do it.  You just repeated yourself.

If I remember correctly and you're the same person who argued about this with me in the previous forum, I think you have some higher education, right?  Use some critical thinking skills and explain yourself without using words like diverse, diversity, POC, or saying "It's 2016," "things are different now," "it's not 1950 anymore," etc. like a politician.  If your argument is sound, it should be able to stand up to that kind of scrutiny.

Personally, I don't think it stands up to scrutiny.  What we're usually talking about with this kind of stuff is ideological white guilt.  I doubt SJWs would be crying about Korean soap operas and how they need more white people in them to create "diversity."  Heck, notice how you don't care that Josie and the Pussycats were made racially singular, because white characters were changed to black.  In that case, the diversity was literally removed.  Yet, you don't care.

Not that long ago, this kind of junk would be looked down at as pandering, which it totally is.  And in the context of race, that's usually indicative of some form of racism, either witingly or not.

But let's take a closer look at some of the things you just said though:

QuoteThe point is Archie Comics has always been diverse right from the get-go and everyone was accepted for who they are. There were old people, young people, fat people, skinny people, ugly people, beautiful people, nerds, jocks, freckled people etc.

Those were all done for entertainment purposes to create character conflicts, comedy, etc.  They weren't put there to make faux-liberals feel warm and fuzzy about "diversity" like you are suggesting they were put there.

QuoteThen over the years they added more diversity like having black characters such as Chuck as the look of America started to change and now we have a gay person with Kevin Kellar. Diversity isn't new with Archie, it's just been updated to include more diversity in races to represent today. If the show was set in the 50s, that would be a different story, but it isn't.

Again, do you even read this stuff?  Black people have been in the US for hundreds of years.  It's not a new "change."  There were also other races in the US in 1950.  In fact, there were Hispanic characters in Archie Comics in the 70's.  So that brings me to my next point.  If minority characters already existed, then why does Archie Comics need to change the race of Veronica, Reggie, etc.?

And notice how they added Kevin Keller.  They didn't change other characters.  So why do they have to change those characters now?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 06, 2016, 12:32:28 AM
QuoteI specifically asked that you make an argument without the buzzword diversity right above the part you quoted.  You didn't do it.  You just repeated yourself.


You could replace "diversity" with "a more accurate representation of real life in current times", my wording is just more concise.


QuoteIf I remember correctly and you're the same person who argued about this with me in the previous forum, I think you have some higher education, right?  Use some critical thinking skills and explain yourself without using words like diverse, diversity, POC, or saying "It's 2016," "things are different now," "it's not 1950 anymore," etc. like a politician.  If your argument is sound, it should be able to stand up to that kind of scrutiny.


I'm not the same person you argued with before, more than one person disagrees with you. Things are different now, the comics have evolved to be more reflective of our times.


QuotePersonally, I don't think it stands up to scrutiny.  What we're usually talking about with this kind of stuff is ideological white guilt.  I doubt SJWs would be crying about Korean soap operas and how they need more white people in them to create "diversity." 


If Korea has a large percentage of minorities all over the country, then yes, I don't see a reason why they shouldn't be represented but I'm not arguing about Korean shows.

Quote
Heck, notice how you don't care that Josie and the Pussycats were made racially singular, because white characters were changed to black.  In that case, the diversity was literally removed.  Yet, you don't care.

Diversity wasn't removed because we still have plenty of main characters like Archie, Betty and Jughead who are all white, in fact, the majority of the cast is white. It's not like the pussycats where the only white characters in the show and changing their race eliminated any representation of white people.

Quote
QuoteThe point is Archie Comics has always been diverse right from the get-go and everyone was accepted for who they are. There were old people, young people, fat people, skinny people, ugly people, beautiful people, nerds, jocks, freckled people etc.


Those were all done for entertainment purposes to create character conflicts, comedy, etc.  They weren't put there to make faux-liberals feel warm and fuzzy about "diversity" like you are suggesting they were put there.


It also adds a richness to the property that makes it more relatable. You yourself are using buzzwords in your argument with "faux-liberals" and "SJWs" when you are asking me not to use them.

Quote
QuoteThen over the years they added more diversity like having black characters such as Chuck as the look of America started to change and now we have a gay person with Kevin Kellar. Diversity isn't new with Archie, it's just been updated to include more diversity in races to represent today. If the show was set in the 50s, that would be a different story, but it isn't.

Again, do you even read this stuff?  Black people have been in the US for hundreds of years.  It's not a new "change."  There were also other races in the US in 1950.  In fact, there were Hispanic characters in Archie Comics in the 70's
 

The change isn't that Black people arrived in the US at the time, the change is from the authors of Archie updating their comics to reflect the times when Black people were starting to get more equal rights.

QuoteSo that brings me to my next point.  If minority characters already existed, then why does Archie Comics need to change the race of Veronica, Reggie, etc.? And notice how they added Kevin Keller.  They didn't change other characters.  So why do they have to change those characters now?

Kevin Keller is a popular character so they could easily bring him on the show and have people recognise who he is. No one knows much about the other minority characters that were introduced recently so those characters have practically no chance of playing a major role on the show, at most it would be a cameo.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 06, 2016, 01:04:23 AM
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I think reggies race does matter, because he's a snooty have it all white kid who makes fun of everyone. He can be a prejudice person.
He has a stupid white Rich kid persona.

He can be a stupid Asian/Black rich kid and still be prejudice.

QuoteAnd if they changed Archie's race I think we'd all be scratching our heads because of his signature look. I believe he had an Irish/Scottish background?
Like I said before Archie is very multicultural as is, if they just add all characters in so will the show.
They could make new characters of different ethnic groups but the cast of famous Archie characters is already very large so I don't see them wanting to do that.




QuoteExtremely curious to see what they do with Jugheads Hat.. Wondering If they will end up scraping it- and if so tables will be flipped.
Probably will be scrapped. I don't see how it can work in this interpretation of the comics. Maybe it will just be a regular beanie that he wears.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 06, 2016, 01:20:38 AM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 06, 2016, 01:04:23 AM
QuoteAnd if they changed Archie's race I think we'd all be scratching our heads because of his signature look. I believe he had an Irish/Scottish background?
Like I said before Archie is very multicultural as is, if they just add all characters in so will the show.
They could make new characters of different ethnic groups but the cast of famous Archie characters is already very large so I don't see them wanting to do that.
The stupid thing is that they aren't even trying to use the character they do have Chuck & Nancy, Valerie's brother Trevor, Ginger Lopez (even if Maria & Frankie are deemed too nearly forgotten) and if they want actual diversity & relatability why isn't Ethel there, or Brigette? Because anyone who isn't unrealistically beautiful and young isn't on the agenda? So the teachers and parent get a makeover? So much for any sort of actual realism ...
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QuoteExtremely curious to see what they do with Jugheads Hat.. Wondering If they will end up scraping it- and if so tables will be flipped.
Probably will be scrapped. I don't see how it can work in this interpretation of the comics. Maybe it will just be a regular beanie that he wears.
Was it before the crash that I suggested a turned ball cap, or something of that ilk? without something I don't see the point of even calling him Jughead ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 06, 2016, 01:22:51 AM
I'm actually coming around to this series the more I read about it. It's sounding exactly like what I want. They seem to be going all out with an unapologetic, soap opera trashiness that I enjoy.  :D :D :D  My only real complaint is that they've mainstreamed Jughead because he was such a unique and non-mainstream character but I'll try not to let it ruin the comic book character for me.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 06, 2016, 01:28:28 AM

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The stupid thing is that they aren't even trying to use the character they do have Chuck & Nancy, Valerie's brother Trevor, Ginger Lopez (even if Maria & Frankie are deemed too nearly forgotten) and if they want actual diversity & relatability why isn't Ethel there, or Brigette?
Well this is just the pilot, they could still add those characters later on, even seasons on if the show lasts. Chuck and Nancy seems very likely candidates to be in the show.

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QuoteExtremely curious to see what they do with Jugheads Hat.. Wondering If they will end up scraping it- and if so tables will be flipped.
Probably will be scrapped. I don't see how it can work in this interpretation of the comics. Maybe it will just be a regular beanie that he wears.
Was it before the crash that I suggested a turned ball cap, or something of that ilk? without something I don't see the point of even calling him Jughead ...
I hope they give him some sort of unique hat to wear that's both realistic and Jughead like, he did try a lot of different ones at times throughout the comics.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 06, 2016, 01:31:45 AM
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You could replace "diversity" with "a more accurate representation of real life in current times", my wording is just more concise.


"current times." I asked you specifically to put out an argument that doesn't use those kind of meaningless rhetorical terms.  Can you not do it?

Also, that's not what diversity even means.  Diversity is the opposite of homogeneity.  It has no inherent positive or negative qualities. 

And how is having 5 white characters in a made up story inaccurate in regards to anything current?  Do 5 white people no longer congregate with each other anymore in our current times?  Did racial minorities not exist in the past as you previously suggested?  You have no argument so far other than repeating that it's the currently the present.  This is a comic book forum, not a political action committee.  Stop pulling out rhetoric that sounds like it was lifted from a crappy 2008 Barack Obama speech.

QuoteI'm not the same person you argued with before, more than one person disagrees with you. Things are different now, the comics have evolved to be more reflective of our times.


Again "things are different now" and "reflective of our times."  You just can't stop doing this.  Do you have anything else?

QuoteIf Korea has a large percentage of minorities all over the country, then yes, I don't see a reason why they shouldn't be represented but I'm not arguing about Korean shows.


Do you ever read anything you write?  Archie Comics already had minority characters represented.  Regardless, with your stand point, does that mean stuff that is made in the US and is only about minorities is incorrect?  Logically, that would be your stand point.  Like if a movie is made with a black cast, are they being incorrect for not including white people, Asians, Hispanics, etc.?

QuoteDiversity wasn't removed because we still have plenty of main characters like Archie, Betty and Jughead who are all white, in fact, the majority of the cast is white. It's not like the pussycats where the only white characters in the show and changing their race eliminated any representation of white people.


I don't think you're an Archie fan if you don't think Josie and the Pussycats is an important stand alone property.  Hell yeah, the diversity was removed from Josie and the Pussycats in this example.  And yeah, Josie and Melody being white was part of their characters, and they should have stayed how they were intended.  This damages their intellectual property for sure.

QuoteYou yourself are using buzzwords in your argument with "faux-liberals" and "SJWs" when you are asking me not to use them.


The difference is I can construct an argument without them based on logic that doesn't sound as utterly shallow and childish as yours and can be applied to any situation.  You only have your SJW terminology and talking points to fall back on.  Also there are plenty of minority fans that don't want this, yet you don't care what they think, because your white guilt "progressive" ideological political nonsense is more important to you.

QuoteThe change isn't that Black people arrived in the US at the time, the change is from the authors of Archie updating their comics to reflect the times when Black people were starting to get more equal rights.


Slavery ended in 1865.  The 15th amendment was passed in 1870.  Brown vs. the Board of Education happened in 1954.  The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964.  The Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965.  None of this happened in 2016.  If the comics were okay having 5 white people from 1940's through 2016, it's okay now, and you are being ludicrous suggesting other wise.

QuoteKevin Keller is a popular character so they could easily bring him on the show and have people recognise who he is. No one knows much about the other minority characters that were introduced recently so those characters have practically no chance of playing a major role on the show, at most it would be a cameo.


Kevin Keller is not mainstream.  His comic got canceled for bad sales.  He doesn't have wide recognition among the general populace.  People on this forum know about the other minority characters, because they read the comics, unlike you have I guess.  So what's wrong with developing the existing minority characters instead of treating them like disposable garbage?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 06, 2016, 12:41:14 PM

Quote from: old_jughead on April 06, 2016, 01:04:23 AM
QuoteExtremely curious to see what they do with Jugheads Hat.. Wondering If they will end up scraping it- and if so tables will be flipped.
Probably will be scrapped. I don't see how it can work in this interpretation of the comics. Maybe it will just be a regular beanie that he wears.

I doubt he will be wearing his crown hat.  And this new "Jughead" is not even into food anymore. They are changing him to be addicted to coffee instead ::)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 06, 2016, 01:15:00 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 06, 2016, 12:47:36 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 06, 2016, 12:41:14 PM

Quote from: old_jughead on April 06, 2016, 01:04:23 AM
QuoteExtremely curious to see what they do with Jugheads Hat.. Wondering If they will end up scraping it- and if so tables will be flipped.
Probably will be scrapped. I don't see how it can work in this interpretation of the comics. Maybe it will just be a regular beanie that he wears.

I doubt he will be wearing his crown hat.  And this new "Jughead" is not even into food anymore. They are changing him to be addicted to coffee instead ::)

Seriously ??


Yes. It seems that way. I can't find the link where they mention it, but someone posted it on the old forum
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 06, 2016, 01:27:10 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 06, 2016, 12:41:14 PM

Quote from: old_jughead on April 06, 2016, 01:04:23 AM
QuoteExtremely curious to see what they do with Jugheads Hat.. Wondering If they will end up scraping it- and if so tables will be flipped.
Probably will be scrapped. I don't see how it can work in this interpretation of the comics. Maybe it will just be a regular beanie that he wears.

I doubt he will be wearing his crown hat.  And this new "Jughead" is not even into food anymore. They are changing him to be addicted to coffee instead ::)

Some time ago, I predicted they would eventually make him into a vegan.  Does he drink his coffee with non-dairy creamer?   ;D
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 06, 2016, 01:43:59 PM
Found the link! http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/29/ive-read-the-script-for-the-tv-pilot-for-archie-comics-riverdale-f-bombs-murder-noir-rainbow-parties-and-cougars/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/29/ive-read-the-script-for-the-tv-pilot-for-archie-comics-riverdale-f-bombs-murder-noir-rainbow-parties-and-cougars/)


QuoteThe script begins with a narrator talking about the town of Riverdale, and how it isn't what people think. We are shown what may be familiar locations, the city hall, the cinema, Pop's Chok'lit Shoppe Diner, but also derelict buildings with boarded up walls, graffiti and meth addicts. Because this is the real Riverdale, all of it, folks. This isn't just Archie the TV series. It's Betty & Veronica Mars.

It starts with the death of Jason Blossom, Cheryl Blossom's twin brother and doesn't stop. This is a Riverdale with kids who talk about Rainbow parties, a Reggie who gets badly drunk, a Riverdale of strip joints, and, yes, a just-16 year old Archie sleeping with his music teacher and then using it to blackmail her. And suggestions of twincest too.

So who do we have, and how does the script describe them? Jughead is an "emo-heartthrob". Jason and Cheryl Blossom could have stepped from an Abercrombie & Fitch catalogue. Pop Tate is Greek. Veronica and her divorced mother are "two dark haired beauties", Betty is "Blonde, pretty, 16″, Kevin Keller, her gay confident is "16 cute", sexually active on Grindr and dealing with a homophobic military dad. Keller is the Archie Comics main gay character, but rather the passive character of the comics, here he is a little more in your face- though slightly reserved when he gets down to it . And Archie Andrews is 16, red haired – indeed his hair colour is constantly mentioned, Josie refers to him as "Justin Gingerlake" – recently buffed up after working for his dad's construction company over the summer and lives next door to Betty, who is madly in love with him. And Veronica? She just wants a boy toy to pass the summer and she's never gone ginge before.

Oh and there's the language. I mean it's relatively tame compared to what, you know, most actual teenagers say, but then so is The Wire. But we get a number of S-bombs, mentions of spank-banks, Archie is asked by Reggie Mantle if he "tapped any MILF ass this summer?" I know some of you reading this will think I've made this up. I have not.

But for all the shock value, and there is plenty of that, this is a clever, well balanced, teen thriller of a TV show. Funny, dark, expressing the confusion of characters who, rather than the sure stereotypes of the classic Archie comics, are teenagers who frankly don't yet know who they are, so why the hell should we? It's the beginning of a journey, as people, circumstances, bodies, lives begin to change. It's not just a coming of age story but a coming of the ages.

The dialogue is the kind of stylised reality we know from the likes of Buffy and Veronica Mars, but errs towards the latter in its darkness. So it's all clearly fake, as if teenagers had writers rooms helping them with their every line, but it is consistent, engaging, rewarding and creating its own reality that just sucks you in.

And yet many of the plotlines seem utterly familiar. The competition for Archie's favour. Trying out for the cheerleading squad. Making the sports team. Who takes who to the school dance, and who gets set up with whom against their will. Playing spin the bottle. And going to the diner for strawberry milkshakes. And jughead still has that stupid at – though he is no friend of Archie. Not anymore. He's also a caffeine addict rather than a hamburglar – and he wears a hearing aid because he's deaf.

An intentional irony as this Archie has become a songwriter – so not only can we see his angst, we get to hear it too. This is Aguirre-Sacasa's tale of an outing just like in his banned play all those years ago, rather than just of sexuality, it's of ambition, of talent, of expression. Though of a fashion rather different to that of Josie and the  Pussycats – yes, who are all there sporting their cat ears, and rather dismissive of Archie and his ambitions. His mission is to escape the rather literal destiny of his father's concrete company, expected to one day take it over. The last thing he wants... is to be set in the same ways as his father. Yes, the allegory is rather sledgehammered home.

Oh and then there's *that* kiss...
Riverdale is going to be massive. One Million Moms will hate it even more than Lucifer. But the last time I read a script that so convinced me, it was for Preacher. And I'm putting that "Betty & Veronica Mars" line on a T-shirt.
After re-reading this, I have got to think this is a joke, right? It really can't be true. The person who wrote the article is messing around with our minds, right? .....
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 06, 2016, 01:55:28 PM
I have a prediction.  Jason Blossom is dead because Cheryl killed him because he was molesting her.  If you get into the hackneyed mind of Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa that he used to create Edgydale, it becomes obvious.

QuoteAfter re-reading this, I have got to think this is a joke, right? I really can't be true. The person who wrote the article is messing around with our minds, right? .....


Isn't that the writer who said he never read old Archie Comics but still called them "conservative"?  Remember what I said about these writers?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 06, 2016, 06:02:45 PM
QuoteIsn't that the writer who said he never read old Archie Comics but still called them "conservative"? Remember what I said about these writers?


True. He is that 'I'm not familiar with Archie but I don't like it because it's a  saccharine, un-self-examined, humorless Happy Days. However it has transformed from conservative to progressive which means for the first time I can read it and make it to the end' guy.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: b-ko on April 06, 2016, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 06, 2016, 06:02:45 PM
QuoteIsn't that the writer who said he never read old Archie Comics but still called them "conservative"? Remember what I said about these writers?


True. He is that 'I'm not familiar with Archie but I don't like it because it's a  saccharine, un-self-examined, humorless Happy Days. However it has transformed from conservative to progressive which means for the first time I can read it and make it to the end' guy.

This is why internet nerd media SUCKS.  It's ran by idiots that don't care about the stuff they write about, politicize EVERYTHING and hold the regular fans in disregard.  It's sad though that Archie Comics probably takes this stuff at face value, producing a positive feedback loop because they are viewed as "progressive" now, which means they'll never receive critical feedback or the fans' point of view.  At least for other industries, you can at least get a decent objective assessment of what is or isn't wrong with the product or business model.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BlueBomber2015 on April 07, 2016, 12:22:31 AM
I wonder why they made the show "edgy"?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 07, 2016, 12:25:41 AM
Quote from: BlueBomber2015 on April 07, 2016, 12:22:31 AM
I wonder why they made the show "edgy"?

Becathey want to tarnish the company as a whole.  I hope ACP "dies" as an independent, and is bought out by Disney.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 07, 2016, 03:06:13 AM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 12:25:41 AM
Quote from: BlueBomber2015 on April 07, 2016, 12:22:31 AM
I wonder why they made the show "edgy"?

Becathey want to tarnish the company as a whole.  I hope ACP "dies" as an independent, and is bought out by Disney.
Whatever else, not Disney — though the style/values might be a good match — Disney already owns Marvel, so they'd be merged (they wouldn't have two separate comics publishing wings) and Marvel would obviously dominate — it would likely be great for the Dark Circle imprint, but not classic Archie. IDW or Dark Horse already have contacts and sensitivities to the classic material and would be a better fit (if they could afford it) ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 07, 2016, 03:08:48 AM
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"current times." I asked you specifically to put out an argument that doesn't use those kind of meaningless rhetorical terms.  Can you not do it?

Also, that's not what diversity even means.  Diversity is the opposite of homogeneity.  It has no inherent positive or negative qualities. 


Well, I consider diversity a positive quality and so does many people. The only argument that you seem to have and repeat is that the characters were white so they should always be white and you have white guilt if you don't agree, regardless of how unnecessary their skin colour is to who the characters are. The colorists/creators chose to ink those characters in that colour because that was the norm at the time. It would definitely be different nowaways as is reflected by most comics and Archie comics and soon the TV show.

QuoteAnd how is having 5 white characters in a made up story inaccurate in regards to anything current?  Do 5 white people no longer congregate with each other anymore in our current times?  Did racial minorities not exist in the past as you previously suggested?  You have no argument so far other than repeating that it's the currently the present.


I never argued that having 5 white characters were inaccurate to current real life. I have made my argument and if you refuse to listen, that's your choice.


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Again "things are different now" and "reflective of our times."  You just can't stop doing this.  Do you have anything else?

I've argued my case and you keep on wanting me to change my stance because you can't accept that times have changed and fictional media is trying to represent that. I'm not going to tell you what you want to hear.

Quote Regardless, with your stand point, does that mean stuff that is made in the US and is only about minorities is incorrect?  Logically, that would be your stand point.  Like if a movie is made with a black cast, are they being incorrect for not including white people, Asians, Hispanics, etc.?


I'm not going to keep arguing about properties other than the show Riverdale, if you want to keep doing that then go ahead, but I'm not going to respond to it. Like you said, this is a comic book forum. This forum is not for discussion of non-Archie related properties and I think you are going off-topic.


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I don't think you're an Archie fan if you don't think Josie and the Pussycats is an important stand alone property.  Hell yeah, the diversity was removed from Josie and the Pussycats in this example.  And yeah, Josie and Melody being white was part of their characters, and they should have stayed how they were intended.  This damages their intellectual property for sure.
Josie and the Pussycats are not a standalone property in the Tv show that we are getting. They are a part of the Riverdale TV universe whether you like it or not, so white characters still represent the majority in this universe.

QuoteAlso there are plenty of minority fans that don't want this, yet you don't care what they think, because your white guilt "progressive" ideological political nonsense is more important to you.


Well I'm a minority fan so your assumptions don't apply to me.

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Slavery ended in 1865.  The 15th amendment was passed in 1870.  Brown vs. the Board of Education happened in 1954.  The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964.  The Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965.  None of this happened in 2016.  If the comics were okay having 5 white people from 1940's through 2016, it's okay now, and you are being ludicrous suggesting other wise.


Chuck Clayton was created in 1971 which was shortly after the Civil rights movement so he is reflective of the times.

QuoteKevin Keller is not mainstream.  His comic got canceled for bad sales.  He doesn't have wide recognition among the general populace.  People on this forum know about the other minority characters, because they read the comics, unlike you have I guess. 


It doesn't matter that his comic got cancelled. I was not referring to the comic sales, I was talking about the character. Kevin Keller made big news headlines when they announced his character. Lots of people who doesn't read Archie knows him. He is definitely mainstream and really popular. Yes I am aware of the new minority characters but I'm not familiar with them as I haven't read much of the recent issues.

QuoteSo what's wrong with developing the existing minority characters instead of treating them like disposable garbage?


They just aren't as marketable because of the lack of recognition to the public. They may still appear later on as cameos or if they become popular.

Lastly, I don't think being condescending to your opponent by repeatedly asking if they've read what they wrote is constructive or good argument skills. Neither is belittling people and calling them "childish."  I think we can just agree to disagree because we will just keep going around and around in circles.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 07, 2016, 03:10:35 AM
Quote from: invisifan on April 07, 2016, 03:06:13 AM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 12:25:41 AM
Quote from: BlueBomber2015 on April 07, 2016, 12:22:31 AM
I wonder why they made the show "edgy"?

Becathey want to tarnish the company as a whole.  I hope ACP "dies" as an independent, and is bought out by Disney.
Whatever else, not Disney — though the style/values might be a good match — Disney already owns Marvel, so they'd be merged (they wouldn't have two separate comics publishing wings) and Marvel would obviously dominate — it would likely be great for the Dark Circle imprint, but not classic Archie. IDW or Dark Horse already have contacts and sensitivities to the classic material and would be a better fit (if they could afford it) ...


I agree. We don't want Disney to monopolise everything. They've already gotten Marvel, Star Wars, their inhouse Disney animation and Pixar. You will probably have even less of a chance at live action Archie with Disney's full slate.


Also, if they made a live action series it would probably go to Freeform and you can look at Pretty Little Liars and Shadowhunters for the quality of their writing.   :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 07, 2016, 03:39:17 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 06, 2016, 01:43:59 PM
Found the link! http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/29/ive-read-the-script-for-the-tv-pilot-for-archie-comics-riverdale-f-bombs-murder-noir-rainbow-parties-and-cougars/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/29/ive-read-the-script-for-the-tv-pilot-for-archie-comics-riverdale-f-bombs-murder-noir-rainbow-parties-and-cougars/)


QuoteThe script begins with a narrator talking about the town of Riverdale, and how it isn't what people think. We are shown what may be familiar locations, the city hall, the cinema, Pop's Chok'lit Shoppe Diner, but also derelict buildings with boarded up walls, graffiti and meth addicts. Because this is the real Riverdale, all of it, folks. This isn't just Archie the TV series. It's Betty & Veronica Mars.

It starts with the death of Jason Blossom, Cheryl Blossom's twin brother and doesn't stop. This is a Riverdale with kids who talk about Rainbow parties, a Reggie who gets badly drunk, a Riverdale of strip joints, and, yes, a just-16 year old Archie sleeping with his music teacher and then using it to blackmail her. And suggestions of twincest too.

So who do we have, and how does the script describe them? Jughead is an "emo-heartthrob". Jason and Cheryl Blossom could have stepped from an Abercrombie & Fitch catalogue. Pop Tate is Greek. Veronica and her divorced mother are "two dark haired beauties", Betty is "Blonde, pretty, 16″, Kevin Keller, her gay confident is "16 cute", sexually active on Grindr and dealing with a homophobic military dad. Keller is the Archie Comics main gay character, but rather the passive character of the comics, here he is a little more in your face- though slightly reserved when he gets down to it . And Archie Andrews is 16, red haired – indeed his hair colour is constantly mentioned, Josie refers to him as "Justin Gingerlake" – recently buffed up after working for his dad's construction company over the summer and lives next door to Betty, who is madly in love with him. And Veronica? She just wants a boy toy to pass the summer and she's never gone ginge before.

Oh and there's the language. I mean it's relatively tame compared to what, you know, most actual teenagers say, but then so is The Wire. But we get a number of S-bombs, mentions of spank-banks, Archie is asked by Reggie Mantle if he "tapped any MILF ass this summer?" I know some of you reading this will think I've made this up. I have not.

But for all the shock value, and there is plenty of that, this is a clever, well balanced, teen thriller of a TV show. Funny, dark, expressing the confusion of characters who, rather than the sure stereotypes of the classic Archie comics, are teenagers who frankly don't yet know who they are, so why the hell should we? It's the beginning of a journey, as people, circumstances, bodies, lives begin to change. It's not just a coming of age story but a coming of the ages.

The dialogue is the kind of stylised reality we know from the likes of Buffy and Veronica Mars, but errs towards the latter in its darkness. So it's all clearly fake, as if teenagers had writers rooms helping them with their every line, but it is consistent, engaging, rewarding and creating its own reality that just sucks you in.

And yet many of the plotlines seem utterly familiar. The competition for Archie's favour. Trying out for the cheerleading squad. Making the sports team. Who takes who to the school dance, and who gets set up with whom against their will. Playing spin the bottle. And going to the diner for strawberry milkshakes. And jughead still has that stupid at – though he is no friend of Archie. Not anymore. He's also a caffeine addict rather than a hamburglar – and he wears a hearing aid because he's deaf.

An intentional irony as this Archie has become a songwriter – so not only can we see his angst, we get to hear it too. This is Aguirre-Sacasa's tale of an outing just like in his banned play all those years ago, rather than just of sexuality, it's of ambition, of talent, of expression. Though of a fashion rather different to that of Josie and the  Pussycats – yes, who are all there sporting their cat ears, and rather dismissive of Archie and his ambitions. His mission is to escape the rather literal destiny of his father's concrete company, expected to one day take it over. The last thing he wants... is to be set in the same ways as his father. Yes, the allegory is rather sledgehammered home.

Oh and then there's *that* kiss...
Riverdale is going to be massive. One Million Moms will hate it even more than Lucifer. But the last time I read a script that so convinced me, it was for Preacher. And I'm putting that "Betty & Veronica Mars" line on a T-shirt.
After re-reading this, I have got to think this is a joke, right? It really can't be true. The person who wrote the article is messing around with our minds, right? .....


Sounds good to me! I don't like the idea of my favourite squeaky clean teenagers having sex but if they choose to do it, don't make it a cliched coming of age story with "special first time" stories, just go all out on the fun side of it!


The only issue I have is the rumour that Archie is sleeping with Miss Grundy. That's just disturbing and wrong on so many levels. It's like having a best friend who slept with your mother. Anyone but Miss Grundy!  :-X  Maybe it won't be her because isn't Miss Grundy an English teacher and not a music teacher?




QuoteAnd Jughead still has that stupid at
If the author misspelt "hat" as "at", maybe this means Jughead is wearing his trademark hat afterall. I like that Jughead wears a hearing aid, it makes him unique.




QuoteOh and then there's *that* kiss...
I wonder who they are referring to? A lesbian kiss between Betty and Veronica?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 07, 2016, 04:08:27 AM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 07, 2016, 03:39:17 AM
QuoteOh and then there's *that* kiss...
I wonder who they are referring to? A lesbian kiss between Betty and Veronica?
That would be Archie & Jughead ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 07, 2016, 04:17:33 AM
Quote from: invisifan on April 07, 2016, 04:08:27 AM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 07, 2016, 03:39:17 AM
QuoteOh and then there's *that* kiss...
I wonder who they are referring to? A lesbian kiss between Betty and Veronica?
That would be Archie & Jughead ...
Wow, they literally kiss and make up in one episode!  :-* :smitten:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Kurenai24 on April 07, 2016, 08:15:18 AM
Quote from: BlueBomber2015 on April 07, 2016, 12:22:31 AM
I wonder why they made the show "edgy"?


They made the show edgy b/c Fox said we don't want this to be another Glee, and so the writers turned it into a dark, mystery drama.


When the CW picked it up, they kept it the way it was newly written.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 07, 2016, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: invisifan on April 07, 2016, 03:06:13 AM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 12:25:41 AM
Quote from: BlueBomber2015 on April 07, 2016, 12:22:31 AM
I wonder why they made the show "edgy"?

Becathey want to tarnish the company as a whole.  I hope ACP "dies" as an independent, and is bought out by Disney.
Whatever else, not Disney — though the style/values might be a good match — Disney already owns Marvel, so they'd be merged (they wouldn't have two separate comics publishing wings) and Marvel would obviously dominate — it would likely be great for the Dark Circle imprint, but not classic Archie. IDW or Dark Horse already have contacts and sensitivities to the classic material and would be a better fit (if they could afford it) ...

Well, with the way ACP is trashing the brand, a hobo could probably buy the company!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Cheryl on April 07, 2016, 11:08:18 AM
Ms. Grundy? Oh I hope Archie is having an affair with Mr. Weatherbee  ;D
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Fernando Ruiz on April 07, 2016, 11:09:14 AM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 09:43:46 PM


The point is Archie Comics has always been diverse right from the get-go and everyone was accepted for who they are. There were old people, young people, fat people, skinny people, ugly people, beautiful people, nerds, jocks, freckled people etc. Then over the years they added more diversity like having black characters such as Chuck as the look of America started to change and now we have a gay person with Kevin Kellar. Diversity isn't new with Archie, it's just been updated to include more diversity in races to represent today. If the show was set in the 50s, that would be a different story, but it isn't.






A couple of years ago, Archie made the internal declaration that "little kids don't find old people funny." This was almost a direct quote from one of Archie's key higher-ups. The "old people" label covered adults, fat people, nerds and anyone other than young hot model types. We were told that "kids want to read about attractive people." I don't know what sort of scientific survey Archie conducted to arrive at these conclusions but this is what we were told.


As a consequence of this decree, anytime we had any sort of background person in a story... like a shop owner, passer-by, etc... they all had to be young hot people. Sometimes I'd be drawing pages in the office and this certain higher-up would look over my shoulder. If I'd drawn a fat old guy in the background of the streets of Riverdale, this person would say, "Can't you make that a cute girl instead?" Ultimately this started to undermine the little Samm Schwartz style background gags I liked to include in my stories. Let's face it a young girl slipping on a banana peel just isn't going to be as funny as a fat guy slipping on a banana peel. Eventually, unless directly ordered to make a change or a specific inclusion, I just ignored this mandate and just drew whatever I wanted.


The same higher-up also had a similar obsession with race and diversity. Riverdale, we were told, was too "lily white." (That's the actual term used.) Thus we were encouraged to use Chuck as much as possible. This isn't really a problem and usually an easy enough request to accommodate but eventually, this grew into shoe-horning Chuck into every possible situation... especially on covers. This is where this became a pain. You just don't have a whole lot of room on covers (especially those digests covers!) Often I'd submit cover ideas and the feedback I'd receive would be "Could you add Chuck?" Or Nancy. If I included both, I knew I'd hit a home run. There were more than a few covers I did where Chuck has nothing to do with the gag and he's just there smiling (Another Archie mandate: "Everyone HAS to smile on covers ALL THE TIME!")


At some point, we were suddenly told to ease off on Chuck. I guess Chuck didn't prove to be Archie's "Wolverine" or "Punisher" after all. The word came down all of a sudden that "Chuck was boring." This led directly to the creation of Trey and one of our favorite recurring gags among us artists on the inside, Toni Topaz. I don't know much about Trey, but I was in the Archie offices when Toni Topaz was created literally by the entire office staff! They wanted a hip black chick and that sat around throwing out ideas and off-beat name ideas. I don't remember the rejected names, but I remember Toni Topaz was really the best of the bunch. They wanted a colorful catchy name, but everything made her sound like a stripper. Since I was there, I was asked to make some initial Toni Topaz sketches. I had a magazine with me that had a picture of Rhiannon in a pink hat so that's what I drew and that's what became Toni Topaz.


Toni appeared in about two stories before one of the massive cutbacks in the new material came down. Archie Comics still, however, insisted that she appear on as many covers as possible. I have no idea if they're still demanding this.


Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 03:30:29 PM
If I decide to choose to watch this show and I have made my mind up totally yet I am not even going to go into it as it is an Archie Comics T.V. Show. It seems so far from that right now with the exceptions that the characters have the same names as the comic characters. So if I do watch it I will look at it as another Teen Drama type show that seems to have flooded the market in the past 10 years or so. Just my personal opinion I don't think it is going to make it.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 07, 2016, 04:13:05 PM
If I EVER decide to watch the show, it will strictly be because I like to archive stuff.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on April 07, 2016, 05:21:18 PM
I thought of a great person to play Ethel, the girl from The Middle. On The Middle Sue is odd just like Ethel.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 07, 2016, 05:27:37 PM
Most likely the show wont last a season (if they're going in the Archie x Grundy version, I sure hope it doesn't last).  Then again, that's just my thought.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 05:30:39 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 07, 2016, 05:21:18 PM
I thought of a great person to play Ethel, the girl from The Middle. On The Middle Sue is odd just like Ethel.
I highly doubt any actress would leave a very successful show for a show that may not even have a future.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 05:32:19 PM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 05:27:37 PM
Most likely the show wont last a season (if they're going in the Archie x Grundy version, I sure hope it doesn't last).  Then again, that's just my thought.
Definitely most of the choices for actors and actresses have been bizarre to say the least, but Miss Grundy is the weirdest of them all.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 07, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
If James Deen is playing Reggie, we will Riot!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
If James Deen is playing Reggie, we will Riot!
And remember Luke Perry who is playing Archie's Dad Fred was once considered the new James Dean back when he started Beverly Hills 90210.  ;D
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 07, 2016, 06:01:18 PM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
If James Deen is playing Reggie, we will Riot!
And remember Luke Perry who is playing Archie's Dad Fred was once considered the new James Dean back when he started Beverly Hills 90210.  ;D

What's next?  Harlow Hannison for Veronica?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 06:07:43 PM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 06:01:18 PM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
If James Deen is playing Reggie, we will Riot!
And remember Luke Perry who is playing Archie's Dad Fred was once considered the new James Dean back when he started Beverly Hills 90210.  ;D

What's next?  Harlow Hannison for Veronica?
I don't know who that is.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 07, 2016, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 05:30:39 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 07, 2016, 05:21:18 PM
I thought of a great person to play Ethel, the girl from The Middle. On The Middle Sue is odd just like Ethel.
I highly doubt any actress would leave a very successful show for a show that may not even have a future.


Eden Sher is better off being and staying on The Middle. BTW, I don't think Ethel is odd, she is just kinda plain looking, which I suppose by Hollywood standards so is Eden (Sue). And remember they just want beauty queens and hunks for the CW show  :P
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 07, 2016, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 05:30:39 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 07, 2016, 05:21:18 PM
I thought of a great person to play Ethel, the girl from The Middle. On The Middle Sue is odd just like Ethel.
I highly doubt any actress would leave a very successful show for a show that may not even have a future.


Eden Sher is better off being and staying on The Middle. BTW, I don't think Ethel is odd, she is just kinda plain looking, which I suppose by Hollywood standards so is Eden (Sue). And remember they just want beauty queens and hunks for the CW show  :P
I can't wait till they cast Miss Beazley the lunch lady as a former Miss America Winner.  ;D
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 07, 2016, 06:55:20 PM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 07, 2016, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 05:30:39 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 07, 2016, 05:21:18 PM
I thought of a great person to play Ethel, the girl from The Middle. On The Middle Sue is odd just like Ethel.
I highly doubt any actress would leave a very successful show for a show that may not even have a future.


Eden Sher is better off being and staying on The Middle. BTW, I don't think Ethel is odd, she is just kinda plain looking, which I suppose by Hollywood standards so is Eden (Sue). And remember they just want beauty queens and hunks for the CW show  :P
I can't wait till they cast Miss Beazley the lunch lady as a former Miss America Winner.  ;D
The way things are going I don't doubt they will.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 10:24:23 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 07, 2016, 06:55:20 PM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 07, 2016, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 05:30:39 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 07, 2016, 05:21:18 PM
I thought of a great person to play Ethel, the girl from The Middle. On The Middle Sue is odd just like Ethel.
I highly doubt any actress would leave a very successful show for a show that may not even have a future.


Eden Sher is better off being and staying on The Middle. BTW, I don't think Ethel is odd, she is just kinda plain looking, which I suppose by Hollywood standards so is Eden (Sue). And remember they just want beauty queens and hunks for the CW show  :P
I can't wait till they cast Miss Beazley the lunch lady as a former Miss America Winner.  ;D
The way things are going I don't doubt they will.
Like I said before this show other than the names of the characters being the same as the Archie Comics characters has really no comparisons to the comics after that. Going into it I am not even looking at it as an Archie Comics T.V. show.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Cheryl on April 07, 2016, 10:38:30 PM
I'm going to give this show a chance. I don't have a problem with the casting, I'm just going to look at it for what it is: some melodramatic teen soap. I don't see it lasting beyond a few seasons but it might just drum up some interest in Archie comics, although it'll be quite unlike the comics themselves! Unless they're planning some kind of tie-in at some point...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 11:16:35 PM
I think if this show does have a few seasons where it does succeed it will not be because of the Archie Comics fans who are viewing the show but I think this show will only stay afloat because the teens will take to another teen drama that has been flooding the market for the past 10 years. Most Archie Comics Fans I have spoken to  or read things from show so much displeasure on the show.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 07, 2016, 11:31:20 PM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 06:07:43 PM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 06:01:18 PM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
If James Deen is playing Reggie, we will Riot!
And remember Luke Perry who is playing Archie's Dad Fred was once considered the new James Dean back when he started Beverly Hills 90210.  ;D

What's next?  Harlow Hannison for Veronica?
I don't know who that is.

Only the BEST Porn star of all time! :D
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 07, 2016, 11:50:48 PM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 11:16:35 PM
I think if this show does have a few seasons where it does succeed it will not be because of the Archie Comics fans who are viewing the show but I think this show will only stay afloat because the teens will take to another teen drama that has been flooding the market for the past 10 years. Most Archie Comics Fans I have spoken to  or read things from show so much displeasure on the show.
It really hasn't much to do with Archie — it's just a vehicle for Roberto to make an unrelated show and use the Archie name for publicity. >:(
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Fernando Ruiz on April 08, 2016, 01:26:40 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 08, 2016, 12:33:22 AM
I wonder what the ratio is of kids vs adult readers for Archie
Are teenagers actually reading Archie? Or is it us older fans who have been reading for years..



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Little kids still make up the largest share of Archie's audience. The digests remain their financial backbone.


Archie, however, is ignoring both of these facts by letting the digests deteriorate and by foolishly pursuing the adult audience of the direct sales market.





Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 08, 2016, 02:11:38 AM
R.I.P ACP 1939-2015
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 08:26:49 AM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 11:31:20 PM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 06:07:43 PM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 06:01:18 PM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 07, 2016, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
If James Deen is playing Reggie, we will Riot!
And remember Luke Perry who is playing Archie's Dad Fred was once considered the new James Dean back when he started Beverly Hills 90210.  ;D

What's next?  Harlow Hannison for Veronica?
I don't know who that is.

Only the BEST Porn star of all time! :D
I don't think they would stoop that low.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 08, 2016, 08:37:38 AM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 08:26:49 AM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 11:31:20 PMOnly the BEST Porn star of all time! :D
I don't think they would stoop that low.
What makes you think that? Given recent history ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 08:40:45 AM
Quote from: invisifan on April 08, 2016, 08:37:38 AM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 08:26:49 AM
Quote from: Archiver123 on April 07, 2016, 11:31:20 PMOnly the BEST Porn star of all time! :D
I don't think they would stoop that low.
What makes you think that? Given recent history ...
They have cast some pretty crazy actor/actresses choices, but I think the porn star route is even going a bit far for ACP.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 08, 2016, 08:47:08 AM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 08:40:45 AM
They have cast some pretty crazy actor/actresses choices, but I think the porn star route is even going a bit far for ACP.
I would have thought so too ... a few years ago — now nothing is going to surprise me...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 08:50:29 AM
Quote from: invisifan on April 08, 2016, 08:47:08 AM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 08:40:45 AM
They have cast some pretty crazy actor/actresses choices, but I think the porn star route is even going a bit far for ACP.
I would have thought so too ... a few years ago — now nothing is going to surprise me...
They have surely done some bizarre stuff, but still Archie Comics is a company that is suppose to cater to the younger generation. Even with the T.V. show which I feel doesn't have much at all to do with Archie comics other than the names of the characters that will mostly focus on the teenage population. I think hiring a porn star would surely sink the project extremely fast.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 12:25:20 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 08, 2016, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 08, 2016, 01:26:40 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 08, 2016, 12:33:22 AM
I wonder what the ratio is of kids vs adult readers for Archie
Are teenagers actually reading Archie? Or is it us older fans who have been reading for years..



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Little kids still make up the largest share of Archie's audience. The digests remain their financial backbone.


Archie, however, is ignoring both of these facts by letting the digests deteriorate and by foolishly pursuing the adult audience of the direct sales market.


That's so disappointing :( the digests are the best thing and really the only ones I buy. I find there is so many of the same like 10 retro panels put into each new issue that keep getting recycled and there isn't a lot of verity. I tend to just buy now from used book stores and stock up on all my digests.
At the tail end of when I was purchasing hard copies of Archie comics by far the best that was offered were the digests. I agree with you that they have lost the variety of the stories that are imprinted in the digests and you would think with them just printed 6 digest titles they could come up with different titles for like forever with all the back logged stuff they have. I know in the last few years I saw the same stories in digests several times. I think it is due to pure laziness.

Now that I have sold all of my Archie comics to a local shop and have gone exclusively digital I am enjoying the Digital Exclusive comics that are released.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Thrillho on April 09, 2016, 03:53:28 PM
I admit I am not thrilled, despite my username, about this pilot. The only casting choice that bugs me is Josie, or rather that they cast a Josie instead of a Valerie. I haven't read too much about the pilot but it seems like they might be conflating Josie and Valerie. I hope that doesn't happen because the Archie/Valerie romance was so good and everything I wanted the original Archie gets married storyline to be. My bigger issue is that it all seems so after school special. I'll have to wait and see, but I'm not holding my breath.


Is it still just a pilot or has it been picked up for a season?



Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 09, 2016, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: Thrillho on April 09, 2016, 03:53:28 PM
I admit I am not thrilled, despite my username, about this pilot. The only casting choice that bugs me is Josie, or rather that they cast a Josie instead of a Valerie. I haven't read too much about the pilot but it seems like they might be conflating Josie and Valerie. I hope that doesn't happen because the Archie/Valerie romance was so good and everything I wanted the original Archie gets married storyline to be. My bigger issue is that it all seems so after school special. I'll have to wait and see, but I'm not holding my breath.


Is it still just a pilot or has it been picked up for a season?
It is still just a Pilot for right now. We should know if it will be picked up by the middle of May sometime. I also have issues with a lot of the casting such as the one you mentioned with Josie, but also the most recent with Miss Grundy. Really for me as I have said before this show really isn't even an Archie comics related television show. They have changed so much from the original comics to appease whoever that really the only thing that is the same is the name of the characters.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: SAGG on April 09, 2016, 05:03:58 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 09, 2016, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: Thrillho on April 09, 2016, 03:53:28 PM
I admit I am not thrilled, despite my username, about this pilot. The only casting choice that bugs me is Josie, or rather that they cast a Josie instead of a Valerie. I haven't read too much about the pilot but it seems like they might be conflating Josie and Valerie. I hope that doesn't happen because the Archie/Valerie romance was so good and everything I wanted the original Archie gets married storyline to be. My bigger issue is that it all seems so after school special. I'll have to wait and see, but I'm not holding my breath.


Is it still just a pilot or has it been picked up for a season?
It is still just a Pilot for right now. We should know if it will be picked up by the middle of May sometime. I also have issues with a lot of the casting such as the one you mentioned with Josie, but also the most recent with Miss Grundy. Really for me as I have said before this show really isn't even an Archie comics related television show. They have changed so much from the original comics to appease whoever that really the only thing that is the same is the name of the characters.
Well, with the way this is shaping up, they ought to "pilot" it right out the door... >:(
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 08, 2016, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 08, 2016, 01:26:40 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 08, 2016, 12:33:22 AM
I wonder what the ratio is of kids vs adult readers for Archie
Are teenagers actually reading Archie? Or is it us older fans who have been reading for years..



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Little kids still make up the largest share of Archie's audience. The digests remain their financial backbone.


Archie, however, is ignoring both of these facts by letting the digests deteriorate and by foolishly pursuing the adult audience of the direct sales market.


That's so disappointing :( the digests are the best thing and really the only ones I buy. I find there is so many of the same like 10 retro panels put into each new issue that keep getting recycled and there isn't a lot of verity. I tend to just buy now from used book stores and stock up on all my digests.

Where are all these used bookstores that have digests? I can't find them anywhere. The only thing I can find are the floppies.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 08, 2016, 01:26:40 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 08, 2016, 12:33:22 AM
I wonder what the ratio is of kids vs adult readers for Archie
Are teenagers actually reading Archie? Or is it us older fans who have been reading for years..



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Little kids still make up the largest share of Archie's audience. The digests remain their financial backbone.


Archie, however, is ignoring both of these facts by letting the digests deteriorate and by foolishly pursuing the adult audience of the direct sales market.

Judging by this message board I think most Archie readers are males in their 40s and 50s. A few kids do come here but get bored quickly and leave. The same thing probably happens while they are reading Archie comics too.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 09, 2016, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 08, 2016, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 08, 2016, 01:26:40 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 08, 2016, 12:33:22 AM
I wonder what the ratio is of kids vs adult readers for Archie
Are teenagers actually reading Archie? Or is it us older fans who have been reading for years..



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Little kids still make up the largest share of Archie's audience. The digests remain their financial backbone.


Archie, however, is ignoring both of these facts by letting the digests deteriorate and by foolishly pursuing the adult audience of the direct sales market.


That's so disappointing :( the digests are the best thing and really the only ones I buy. I find there is so many of the same like 10 retro panels put into each new issue that keep getting recycled and there isn't a lot of verity. I tend to just buy now from used book stores and stock up on all my digests.

Where are all these used bookstores that have digests? I can't find them anywhere. The only thing I can find are the floppies.
What is a used bookstore? I really only know of bookstores like Barnes and Noble. Barnes and Noble only seemed to carry digests when I last took a look for them awhile back.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 09, 2016, 05:37:45 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 08, 2016, 01:26:40 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 08, 2016, 12:33:22 AM
I wonder what the ratio is of kids vs adult readers for Archie
Are teenagers actually reading Archie? Or is it us older fans who have been reading for years..



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Little kids still make up the largest share of Archie's audience. The digests remain their financial backbone.


Archie, however, is ignoring both of these facts by letting the digests deteriorate and by foolishly pursuing the adult audience of the direct sales market.

Judging by this message board I think most Archie readers are males in their 40s and 50s. A few kids do come here but get bored quickly and leave. The same thing probably happens while they are reading Archie comics too.
I fit the bill at being a male, but am only 21 and have been reading Archie comics since I was a kid. I thought recently I was about to give it up totally for good after selling my collection to a local comic shop owner, but I just couldn't get rid of the Archie itch. I got back into it as a new digital reader and I hope to be reading them into my 40's and 50's.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Thrillho on April 09, 2016, 05:45:29 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 09, 2016, 03:58:08 PM

Really for me as I have said before this show really isn't even an Archie comics related television show. They have changed so much from the original comics to appease whoever that really the only thing that is the same is the name of the characters.


I don't have a problem with the characters not resembling their comic counterparts as even the comic characters don't resemble their original incarnations. These versions just seem like tropes to me, especially the tired "evil Mr. Lodge" trope.  ::)

Quote from: SAGG on April 09, 2016, 05:03:58 PM
Well, with the way this is shaping up, they ought to "pilot" it right out the door... >:(


;D
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Judging by this message board I think most Archie readers are males in their 40s and 50s. A few kids do come here but get bored quickly and leave. The same thing probably happens while they are reading Archie comics too.


I am a female in my 20s. I started reading Archie when I was a little kid, and then lost interest when I got older and started reading other titles. I really like this era of experimentation because I still love the characters but now that I am older I want to see more continuity in the stories I read.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 09, 2016, 05:46:05 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Judging by this message board I think most Archie readers are males in their 40s and 50s. A few kids do come here but get bored quickly and leave. The same thing probably happens while they are reading Archie comics too.
Really? Judging by the board I would have said that the split by gender was fairly even - though the male readers do tend to be older ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 09, 2016, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: Thrillho on April 09, 2016, 05:45:29 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 09, 2016, 03:58:08 PM

Really for me as I have said before this show really isn't even an Archie comics related television show. They have changed so much from the original comics to appease whoever that really the only thing that is the same is the name of the characters.


I don't have a problem with the characters not resembling their comic counterparts as even the comic characters don't resemble their original incarnations. These versions just seem like tropes to me, especially the tired "evil Mr. Lodge" trope.  ::)

Quote from: SAGG on April 09, 2016, 05:03:58 PM
Well, with the way this is shaping up, they ought to "pilot" it right out the door... >:(


;D
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Judging by this message board I think most Archie readers are males in their 40s and 50s. A few kids do come here but get bored quickly and leave. The same thing probably happens while they are reading Archie comics too.


I am a female in my 20s. I started reading Archie when I was a little kid, and then lost interest when I got older and started reading other titles. I really like this era of experimentation because I still love the characters but now that I am older I want to see more continuity in the stories I read.
The least of my worries is that Reggie is Asian as is Dilton. I could also really careless that Veronica is Hispanic. It is more the character traits that they have seemed to make drastic changes to the characters that I have read about. For example I have heard that Betty could possibly be dependent on some sort of pain medication. That is the sort of thing that disturbs me the most about the whole thing. Yes the drastic age difference in Miss Grundy is also ridiculous in my opinion mostly because that is going to change so much of who Miss Grundy really is. This is why I say the names may be the same, but the characters are surely not.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on April 09, 2016, 06:12:39 PM
16 here.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 09, 2016, 07:23:01 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 09, 2016, 07:07:04 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 08, 2016, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 08, 2016, 01:26:40 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 08, 2016, 12:33:22 AM
I wonder what the ratio is of kids vs adult readers for Archie
Are teenagers actually reading Archie? Or is it us older fans who have been reading for years..



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Little kids still make up the largest share of Archie's audience. The digests remain their financial backbone.


Archie, however, is ignoring both of these facts by letting the digests deteriorate and by foolishly pursuing the adult audience of the direct sales market.


That's so disappointing :( the digests are the best thing and really the only ones I buy. I find there is so many of the same like 10 retro panels put into each new issue that keep getting recycled and there isn't a lot of verity. I tend to just buy now from used book stores and stock up on all my digests.

Where are all these used bookstores that have digests? I can't find them anywhere. The only thing I can find are the floppies.

In my city we have a used book store chain called BMV might just be Canadian
I live in the States and I have never heard of one before. Yes there are thrift stores that do sell old used books amongst a bunch of other stuff, but I have never saw a comic or digest there. That would be a great idea though.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 09, 2016, 08:42:41 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Judging by this message board I think most Archie readers are males in their 40s and 50s. A few kids do come here but get bored quickly and leave. The same thing probably happens while they are reading Archie comics too.


Are the majority here men? I think it's half men, half women.
I am a 33 y/o female and like others have said, I too have been reading them since I was a kid. But I think it is true that the younger ones get bored quickly and leave.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 09, 2016, 09:27:48 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 09, 2016, 08:42:41 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Judging by this message board I think most Archie readers are males in their 40s and 50s. A few kids do come here but get bored quickly and leave. The same thing probably happens while they are reading Archie comics too.


Are the majority here men? I think it's half men, half women.
I am a 33 y/o female and like others have said, I too have been reading them since I was a kid. But I think it is true that the younger ones get bored quickly and leave.
I would actually think it would be the opposite when it comes to Archie comics. Now if we were discussing Batman/Spiderman or other Superhero comics I would think there would be more men, but Archie comics I would think would mostly be read by females.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 12:31:48 AM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:26:11 PM

Judging by this message board I think most Archie readers are males in their 40s and 50s.

As much as I love you guys, you can't gauge Archie's readership by this one message board.

Most of Archie's readers are little kids. This is why the digests remain Archie's best selling product.

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 10, 2016, 01:14:38 AM
It's certainly true that we aren't representative of the general readership (or population either I'm sure) ... perhaps of the adult Archie readership (although that's a tiny fraction) ... of our population I'd say the male/female ratio appears fairly evenly divided; on a national level — Archie hasn't ever tried to market much beyond North America, or even to Latin America really — the split between US and Canada is about 10-to-1 I think (ie. about what you'd expect given populations); the only off balance stat seems to be age:  I think the average female age is maybe early 30s (some older, some younger) while the men are, it appears, closer to the other end of 40 ... I'm guessing that possibly due to cultural or biological biases the women like the romance/relationship aspects more, or sooner, than the guys ...?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 10, 2016, 01:55:27 AM
Quote from: The Bee on April 09, 2016, 07:23:01 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 09, 2016, 07:07:04 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:22:26 PM
Where are all these used bookstores that have digests? I can't find them anywhere. The only thing I can find are the floppies.
In my city we have a used book store chain called BMV might just be Canadian
I live in the States and I have never heard of one before. Yes there are thrift stores that do sell old used books amongst a bunch of other stuff, but I have never saw a comic or digest there. That would be a great idea though.
Many years ago when TV  wasn't so ubiquitous & addictive (fewer channels, less targeted content) bookstores were common with multiple nationwide chains and any mall had one — two or more for the big malls (now they apparently weren't even in the spell-check dictionaries) used bookstores were common with a ½ dozen even in smallish towns ... after a while the big bookstores merged and downsized to survive, anything on a "News-stand" is almost an anachronism, and used material got divided between the LCS back-issues bins and thrift stores ... Everything's about TV and video games — even theatres and broadcast radio are dying off ... and with Netflix & internet stations, TV doesn't have long ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 01:55:59 AM
Quote from: invisifan on April 10, 2016, 01:14:38 AM
It's certainly true that we aren't representative of the general readership (or population either I'm sure) ... perhaps of the adult Archie readership (although that's a tiny fraction) ... of our population I'd say the male/female ratio appears fairly evenly divided; on a national level — Archie hasn't ever tried to market much beyond North America, or even to Latin America really — the split between US and Canada is about 10-to-1 I think (ie. about what you'd expect given populations); the only off balance stat seems to be age:  I think the average female age is maybe early 30s (some older, some younger) while the men are, it appears, closer to the other end of 40 ... I'm guessing that possibly due to cultural or biological biases the women like the romance/relationship aspects more, or sooner, than the guys ...?

In a few news stories from 2009, they made mention of the fact that ACP was about to open its first branch office in New Delhi, India (don't know if it actually happened, or if it's still open; I suspect not), which attests to the popularity of Archie in India. It's kind of ironic that for all of Archie's popularity in Canada historically (looking over ACP's past history, there are many covers and stories with a Canadian theme, and even the one-shot Archie All Canadian Digest), there isn't a single Canadian native character who appears semi-regularly in Archie stories, while there are two semi-regular Indian characters, Raj Patel (not counting his family) and Amisha Mehta... and not even counting Banni, the Indian student who took Veronica's place at Riverdale as part of an exchange program in the 6-part story arc, "Farewell, Betty and Veronica".

I don't know if I'd buy the premise that the members of this board represent even a fair cross-section of the adult Archie readers. People need to be far more motivated than the average reader (even the average adult collector) to be here.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 10, 2016, 02:26:25 AM
I don't think it happened, but ACP is so known for jumping the gun with character changes to help their marketing ... isn't that roughly when Raj first showed up ... ?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 06:17:04 AM
Quote from: invisifan on April 10, 2016, 02:26:25 AM
I don't think it happened, but ACP is so known for jumping the gun with character changes to help their marketing ... isn't that roughly when Raj first showed up ... ?

Raj first appeared in TALES FROM RIVERDALE DIGEST #21 in 2008 - in a story written and drawn by Fernando Ruiz. I don't know if he's responsible for creating the character himself... maybe he'll see this and comment on that.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 10, 2016, 07:48:14 AM
If they were far enough along to mention it in 2009 they must have been making some plans at least a year or two before ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 09:20:06 AM
Quote from: invisifan on April 10, 2016, 07:48:14 AM
If they were far enough along to mention it in 2009 they must have been making some plans at least a year or two before ...


I don't know if you're trying to imply that ACP just decided to "market themselves" to India without any real indication that there was an actual audience there, but I don't buy that either. They certainly do display a tendency to overextend themselves and go out on a limb on some faint hope of a big payday in the offing. They seem like real gamblers there, who don't really take the time to think things through, along with the possible repercussions. They tend to get excited about some idea, then focus on it with a kind of tunnelvision, until they inevitably get cold feet and back out, after bragging about their plans and schemes too soon. Risky Business, indeed.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 12:35:03 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 01:55:59 AM

In a few news stories from 2009, they made mention of the fact that ACP was about to open its first branch office in New Delhi, India (don't know if it actually happened, or if it's still open; I suspect not), which attests to the popularity of Archie in India.

I never heard this one before. I don't think it ever happened. Archie does have exceptional popularity in India and for a little while, Archie was doing some business over there. I don't know if they still are at all. At any rate, this popularity did lead to the creation of Raj Patel, which brings me to my next response...

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Oldiesmann on April 10, 2016, 12:51:30 PM
On the subject of used bookstore chains, the only one I know of here in the states (or at least in my part of the country) is Half Price Books, and I've only found Archie Comics there once (I bought a bunch of digests for $1 a pop the one time I did find them there). Most of the time they just have back issues of various DC and Marvel titles (and the like) - all the "popular" titles that people supposedly want to buy these days (I've never gotten into Marvel or DC and don't understand why those have so much more of a following than Archie does).
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 10, 2016, 01:00:35 PM
Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 10, 2016, 12:51:30 PM
On the subject of used bookstore chains, the only one I know of here in the states (or at least in my part of the country) is Half Price Books, and I've only found Archie Comics there once (I bought a bunch of digests for $1 a pop the one time I did find them there). Most of the time they just have back issues of various DC and Marvel titles (and the like) - all the "popular" titles that people supposedly want to buy these days (I've never gotten into Marvel or DC and don't understand why those have so much more of a following than Archie does).
No Half Price Books in my area or at least I have never come across the store yet.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 01:00:44 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 06:17:04 AM

Raj first appeared in TALES FROM RIVERDALE DIGEST #21 in 2008 - in a story written and drawn by Fernando Ruiz. I don't know if he's responsible for creating the character himself... maybe he'll see this and comment on that.

Ahh... Raj...


Archie started noticing that their books enjoyed an exceptional popularity in India. I can't remember exactly when this was but 2008 sounds right.

Victor Gorelick came to me and told me that Archie Comics were popular in India so they wanted to give Archie an Indian friend and they wanted me to create him. I don't know why he chose me for the job. It may have been because I was regularly writing and drawing the new story in Tales From Riverdale at the time and that's where they wanted to introduce the character.

Now since I knew almost nothing about India, I started doing some research and I relied heavily on an Indian student I had at the time. (How ironic! This student was Indian by way of Canada!) I came up with Raj and his family who were going to be new arrivals in Riverdale. Initially, I named Raj "Kiran" after my student and gave him the family name of Singh. I gave him a father who was supposed to run a candy store in Riverdale. Immediately, I was told that this was too stereotypical, but I honestly just wanted to give Riverdale a new landmark and the gang a new place to hang out. This was immediately changed to Raj's dad being a doctor... (which I guess an Indian doctor isn't so stereotypical...?!?) Kiran's mom was supposed to be a scientist who worked for Lodge Industries. She was going to be the source of lots of wacky experiments and sci-fi adventures. Kiran was also supposed to have a sister named Priti, who was younger than Kiran but she was supposed to have skipped a grade in school so she could still be in classes with the Archie gang if needed. I gave Kiran the interest in special effects and film making and the trademark of the Hawaiian shirt. I also drew sketches of all the characters.

My whole proposal was run by someone Archie was doing business with in India. Most of my ideas were left intact except for the afore-mentioned candy store and everyone's names. "Singh" was considered to be too typical so they changed the family name to Patel.

We did a couple of Raj stories. I don't remember how many. One day, I received a phone call from Michael Silberkleit himself. This was VERY rare. I think the man called me TWICE in all the years I worked for him. He told me that Raj was getting some popularity in India and that the Indian press my try to get a hold of me. He said he really thought Raj was something "special" and he "really needed to be handled right" so if I received any calls from the press I should direct them to him. I told him I would but I never got any calls until years later when I was called for an interview and I handled it myself. I don't remember if Michael was still living when I did that. The entire fiasco with Dan DeCarlo was a public relations trauma and still very fresh in everyone's memory at that point so I suspect Michael was very interested in not associating me as a "creator" of Raj Patel and locking up the public perception of that property as completely Archie-owned with no room for doubt whatsoever. I always thought that was pretty shady.

That's my Raj story.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: HarryLuceyFan on April 10, 2016, 01:06:54 PM
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 01:00:44 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 06:17:04 AM

Raj first appeared in TALES FROM RIVERDALE DIGEST #21 in 2008 - in a story written and drawn by Fernando Ruiz. I don't know if he's responsible for creating the character himself... maybe he'll see this and comment on that.

Ahh... Raj...


Archie started noticing that their books enjoyed an exceptional popularity in India. I can't remember exactly when this was but 2008 sounds right.

Victor Gorelick came to me and told me that Archie Comics were popular in India so they wanted to give Archie an Indian friend and they wanted me to create him. I don't know why he chose me for the job. It may have been because I was regularly writing and drawing the new story in Tales From Riverdale at the time and that's where they wanted to introduce the character.

Now since I knew almost nothing about India, I started doing some research and I relied heavily on an Indian student I had at the time. (How ironic! This student was Indian by way of Canada!) I came up with Raj and his family who were going to be new arrivals in Riverdale. Initially, I named Raj "Kiran" after my student and gave him the family name of Singh. I gave him a father who was supposed to run a candy store in Riverdale. Immediately, I was told that this was too stereotypical, but I honestly just wanted to give Riverdale a new landmark and the gang a new place to hang out. This was immediately changed to Raj's dad being a doctor... (which I guess an Indian doctor isn't so stereotypical...?!?) Kiran's mom was supposed to be a scientist who worked for Lodge Industries. She was going to be the source of lots of wacky experiments and sci-fi adventures. Kiran was also supposed to have a sister named Priti, who was younger than Kiran but she was supposed to have skipped a grade in school so she could still be in classes with the Archie gang if needed. I gave Kiran the interest in special effects and film making and the trademark of the Hawaiian shirt. I also drew sketches of all the characters.

My whole proposal was run by someone Archie was doing business with in India. Most of my ideas were left intact except for the afore-mentioned candy store and everyone's names. "Singh" was considered to be too typical so they changed the family name to Patel.

WE did a couple of Ray stories. I don't remember how many. One day, I received a phone call from Michael Silberkleit himself. This was VERY rare. I think the man called me TWICE in all the years I worked for him. He told me that Raj was getting some popularity in India and that the Indian press my try to get a hold of me. He said he really thought Raj was something "special" and he "really needed to be handled right" so if I received any calls from the press I should direct them to him. I told him I would but I never got any calls until years later when I was called for an interview and I handled it myself. I don't remember if Michael was still living when I did that. The entire fiasco with Dan DeCarlo was a public relations trauma and still very fresh in everyone's memory at that point so I suspect Michael was very interested in not associating me as a "creator" of Raj Patel and locking up the public perception of that property as completely Archie-owned with no room for doubt whatsoever. I always thought that was pretty shady.

That's my Raj story.

Fernando, should you ever choose to write an autobiography, I'll be first in line to buy it.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 01:10:26 PM
Quote from: HarryLuceyFan on April 10, 2016, 01:06:54 PM


Fernando, should you ever choose to write an autobiography, I'll be first in line to buy it.

It would be the saddest, least remarkable autobiography of all time, Harry... but I got stories. Boy! Do I got stories!

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:32:05 PM
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 01:00:44 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 06:17:04 AM

Raj first appeared in TALES FROM RIVERDALE DIGEST #21 in 2008 - in a story written and drawn by Fernando Ruiz. I don't know if he's responsible for creating the character himself... maybe he'll see this and comment on that.

Ahh... Raj...

[...]

That's my Raj story.


Thank you for that long and very detailed reply, Fernando. I hesitated to just say you were the "creator" of Raj (as one would mostly assume with a story written and drawn by the same artist), because I suspected some degree of editorial input there on that particular character (although I couldn't be sure how much). The story behind the story was fascinating.


TALES FROM RIVERDALE DIGEST, once I discovered it, turned out to be one of the most interesting digest titles (IMHO) that ACP ever published, along with JUGHEAD & FRIENDS DIGEST, both of which were published concurrently for nearly 40 issues -- a fact that I attribute largely to your involvement in contributing new stories to each issue (or most issues, at any rate -- I've yet to read all of them), and to the fact that you were throwing new characters in there, like Raj and Wendy Weatherbee (I need to find all the stories beyond those two digests where she had a co-starring, as opposed to merely a supporting role in the story), and occasionally even featuring Bingo Wilkin (a personal favorite) in new stories.


JUGHEAD & FRIENDS DIGEST is the best of all the various Jughead digests I've read, not only because of the inclusion of the regular Wilkin Boy reprints, but because nearly every issue had a perfect blend of Jughead stories by Samm Schwartz (classic era), Boldman & Lindsay (late 1990s-2000s), and you (the new story in each issue, plus some other reprints of yours that seemed fairly recent). I'm currently working my way through those, and enjoying the heck out of each one.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 05:05:20 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:32:05 PM


TALES FROM RIVERDALE DIGEST, once I discovered it, turned out to be one of the most interesting digest titles (IMHO) that ACP ever published, along with JUGHEAD & FRIENDS DIGEST, both of which were published concurrently for nearly 40 issues -- a fact that I attribute largely to your involvement in contributing new stories to each issue (or most issues, at any rate -- I've yet to read all of them), and to the fact that you were throwing new characters in there, like Raj and Wendy Weatherbee (I need to find all the stories beyond those two digests where she had a co-starring, as opposed to merely a supporting role in the story), and occasionally even featuring Bingo Wilkin (a personal favorite) in new stories.


JUGHEAD & FRIENDS DIGEST is the best of all the various Jughead digests I've read, not only because of the inclusion of the regular Wilkin Boy reprints, but because nearly every issue had a perfect blend of Jughead stories by Samm Schwartz (classic era), Boldman & Lindsay (late 1990s-2000s), and you (the new story in each issue, plus some other reprints of yours that seemed fairly recent). I'm currently working my way through those, and enjoying the heck out of each one.

Thanks. To me, those two titles, Tales From Riverdale and Jughead & Friends, were the Golden Age of my work on the digests. I especially loved Tales From Riverdale where I really tried my best to experiment. Probably my favorite character of the ones that I created was Wendy Weatherbee. I thought she had a ton of potential and I was looking forward to developing her more. Alas...

Sadly, it seems both Tales and J&F were the lowest selling digests of their time. This led Archie Comics to conclude that digests, other than the Betty & Veronica digests, HAD to have Archie's name in the title. This led to Jughead & Friends to be replaced by Jughead & Archie. Tales From Riverdale was replaced either by World Of Archie or Archie's Funhouse.

There was a very, very brief moment where ALL the digests were going to be replaced by "Super Digests." (I swear that's what they were going to be called! Very quickly, though, someone got cold feet about using the word "super" in a title so they were going to be called something else at one point.) These were going to be larger, bigger digests. It actually sounded like a bold idea, but as I said this was a very brief moment. For reasons I never learned, the "Super Digests" idea was scrapped and the digests remained the size they are.



Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 05:39:26 PM
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 05:05:20 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:32:05 PM

TALES FROM RIVERDALE DIGEST, once I discovered it, turned out to be one of the most interesting digest titles (IMHO) that ACP ever published, along with JUGHEAD & FRIENDS DIGEST, both of which were published concurrently for nearly 40 issues -- a fact that I attribute largely to your involvement in contributing new stories to each issue (or most issues, at any rate -- I've yet to read all of them), and to the fact that you were throwing new characters in there, like Raj and Wendy Weatherbee (I need to find all the stories beyond those two digests where she had a co-starring, as opposed to merely a supporting role in the story), and occasionally even featuring Bingo Wilkin (a personal favorite) in new stories.

JUGHEAD & FRIENDS DIGEST is the best of all the various Jughead digests I've read, not only because of the inclusion of the regular Wilkin Boy reprints, but because nearly every issue had a perfect blend of Jughead stories by Samm Schwartz (classic era), Boldman & Lindsay (late 1990s-2000s), and you (the new story in each issue, plus some other reprints of yours that seemed fairly recent). I'm currently working my way through those, and enjoying the heck out of each one.

Thanks. To me, those two titles, Tales From Riverdale and Jughead & Friends, were the Golden Age of my work on the digests. I especially loved Tales From Riverdale where I really tried my best to experiment. Probably my favorite character of the ones that I created was Wendy Weatherbee. I thought she had a ton of potential and I was looking forward to developing her more. Alas...

I loved her character! A breath of fresh air... although I would have been curious to see how she'd wind up evolving beyond the roadblock of "The Bee"s long shadow hanging over her. Surely that situation couldn't have continued to fuel the plot of her every appearance as time went on?

Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 05:05:20 PM
Sadly, it seems both Tales and J&F were the lowest selling digests of their time. This led Archie Comics to conclude that digests, other than the Betty & Veronica digests, HAD to have Archie's name in the title. This led to Jughead & Friends to be replaced by Jughead & Archie. Tales From Riverdale was replaced either by World Of Archie or Archie's Funhouse.

There was a very, very brief moment where ALL the digests were going to be replaced by "Super Digests." (I swear that's what they were going to be called! Very quickly, though, someone got cold feet about using the word "super" in a title so they were going to be called something else at one point.) These were going to be larger, bigger digests. It actually sounded like a bold idea, but as I said this was a very brief moment. For reasons I never learned, the "Super Digests" idea was scrapped and the digests remained the size they are.

"Super Digests"... I wonder if that's what later turned out to be called DOUBLE DOUBLE (ever so briefly) and currently are known as JUMBO COMICS digests? Or perhaps more logically at that point in time (2010), "Super Digests" was briefly considered as the name to replace "Double Digests" for branding purposes, since they were then on the verge of discontinuing all 96-page digests, and that made the word "double" somewhat irrelevant.

I'm glad you brought up what replaced what digest, as I actually spent some time researching that to figure out how the various different digest titles evolved. TALES FROM RIVERDALE DIGEST replaced LAUGH DIGEST, which ended a couple of months before with #200 (Apr 2005). JUGHEAD & FRIENDS replaced the previous (96 page) JUGHEAD WITH ARCHIE DIGEST the following month, when it also ended with issue #200. I'm guessing the two earlier digest titles were among the lowest-selling to begin with, and they just chose to end them as long as they were reaching a nice round milestone number. When TALES and JUGHEAD & FRIENDS finally did end their runs with issues 38 and 39 respectively (July & Aug 2010), it was because ACP chose at that point to discontinue all the 96-page digests in the latter part of 2010, so those two titles weren't actually replaced by anything. Although sales may have been low, I doubt that they were any lower than they'd been when they were publishing LAUGH DIGEST or JUGHEAD WITH ARCHIE DIGEST, so don't blame yourself. Apparently consumers just overwhelmingly preferred the Double Digests at that point in time, so that was the end of the 96-pagers.

Around the same time, ARCHIE COMICS DIGEST was cancelled (with issue #267, Sept 2010) and replaced by WORLD OF ARCHIE DOUBLE DIGEST, followed by the long-running ARCHIE'S PALS 'n' GALS DOUBLE DIGEST (begun in 1992) ending with the Nov 2010 issue (#146) and being replaced by the new ARCHIE & FRIENDS DOUBLE DIGEST #1, while BETTY & VERONICA DIGEST #208 simply changed its name to B & V FRIENDS DOUBLE DIGEST, picking up the previous digest's numbering with issue #209 (Jan 2011, and continuing to present). ARCHIE & FRIENDS DOUBLE DIGEST ran 33 issues (Dec 2010 through Jan 2014) before being cancelled and replaced by ARCHIE'S FUNHOUSE DOUBLE DIGEST #1 (Mar 2014). The current Jughead digest title, JUGHEAD AND ARCHIE DOUBLE DIGEST, replaced JUGHEAD DOUBLE DIGEST (which had begun back in 1989); #200 (Feb 2014) was the last, as with LAUGH and JUGHEAD WITH ARCHIE digests. I guess ACP just liked cancelling things when they reached nice round numbers (the original LAUGH comic book was cancelled with issue #400).

Here's a spreadsheet showing the complete history of Archie's various digest titles (TMNT and SONIC excluded). Short run titles are in RED, while digest titles still ongoing today are in BOLD.
Archie Digest History (as of 2016)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on April 10, 2016, 08:45:54 PM
Happy #NationalSiblingDay from the Blossoms! #Riverdale

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Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on April 10, 2016, 09:09:53 PM
ATTENTION SPOILERS !!!!

10 April 2016 (new info)
Riverdale (The CW) pilot preview: THE teen soap of the late 2010s?
http://season-zero.com/riverdale-the-cw-pilot-preview/
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 10, 2016, 09:22:51 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 10, 2016, 09:09:53 PM
ATTENTION SPOILERS !!!!

10 April 2016 (new info)
Riverdale (The CW) pilot preview: THE teen soap of the late 2010s?
http://season-zero.com/riverdale-the-cw-pilot-preview/ (http://season-zero.com/riverdale-the-cw-pilot-preview/)
The last paragraph says This modernized, energized, darkened, and respectful version has everything..... 

I can somewhat agree with modernized, energized, and darkened, but it is so far from respecting the original Archie comics line it is not even funny.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 11, 2016, 03:08:26 AM
Being compared to Desperate Housewives is promising, but the lack of trashiness is worrying.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 11, 2016, 06:46:15 AM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 11, 2016, 03:08:26 AM
Being compared to Desperate Housewives is promising, but the lack of trashiness is worrying.

Do you think it might benefit by a title change from "Riverdale" to "Desperate Comic Book Publishers"...?  :2funny:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on April 11, 2016, 02:44:17 PM
Greg Berlanti on #Riverdale + Archie and Jughead's relationship!

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Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 11, 2016, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 11, 2016, 02:44:17 PM
Greg Berlanti on #Riverdale + Archie and Jughead's relationship!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfx0-SvW4AASqwu.jpg)
Just another kick in the face to the comics. Archie and Jughead's friendship went way back to their childhood days. Just another reason to say that this show is just the names of the comic characters and nothing else.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 11, 2016, 11:16:16 PM
I think they were still childhood friends but they had a recent falling out and won't be friends again until near the end of the season.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 11, 2016, 11:33:05 PM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 11, 2016, 11:16:16 PM
I think they were still childhood friends but they had a recent falling out and won't be friends again until near the end of the season.
That's the injustice of it. Jughead and Archie in the comics have been through it all. They have had there share of ups and downs and they always bounce back to remain friends. Those two characters just don't hold feuds for long periods of time. It is kind of the same thing with Betty and Veronica. They fight like cats and dogs in most stories in the comics, but they always remain best friends in the end for the most part. It's just another things to add onto the pile that is not a good representation of Archie comics.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 12, 2016, 04:10:23 AM
Quote from: The Bee on April 11, 2016, 11:33:05 PM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 11, 2016, 11:16:16 PM
I think they were still childhood friends but they had a recent falling out and won't be friends again until near the end of the season.
That's the injustice of it. Jughead and Archie in the comics have been through it all. They have had there share of ups and downs and they always bounce back to remain friends. Those two characters just don't hold feuds for long periods of time. It is kind of the same thing with Betty and Veronica. They fight like cats and dogs in most stories in the comics, but they always remain best friends in the end for the most part. It's just another things to add onto the pile that is not a good representation of Archie comics.
On the one hand, Archie stories rarely continue the way TV shows do, so everything has to wrap up and reset after 4-12 pages no matter what — even a completely faithful adaption (in spirit) would have to draw things out a bit longer ... in this case, the root issue seems to have been Jug totally freaking Archie out by kissing him ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 12, 2016, 04:15:32 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 12, 2016, 01:23:36 AM
Literally on vacation right now trying to have a good time but I just can't because all I think about all day and night is how Archie is getting destroyed right in front of my eyes. 
This forum is the only possible way to save everything before it becomes another ambercrombi and shit disaster.

For the love of all that is holy we must band together and save Archie before it's too late!!!! 
Sadly, it doesn't appear that anyone in charge cares about anyone in this case, is is paying attention to anyone beyond their sycophants — and probably won't until hir with a brick of total public a(nti)pathy ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: JonInIowaCity on April 12, 2016, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 12, 2016, 01:23:36 AM
Literally on vacation right now trying to have a good time but I just can't because all I think about all day and night is how Archie is getting destroyed right in front of my eyes. 
This forum is the only possible way to save everything before it becomes another ambercrombi and shit disaster.

For the love of all that is holy we must band together and save Archie before it's too late!!!! 



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Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 11:37:02 AM
Quote from: invisifan on April 12, 2016, 04:10:23 AM
Quote from: The Bee on April 11, 2016, 11:33:05 PM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 11, 2016, 11:16:16 PM
I think they were still childhood friends but they had a recent falling out and won't be friends again until near the end of the season.
That's the injustice of it. Jughead and Archie in the comics have been through it all. They have had there share of ups and downs and they always bounce back to remain friends. Those two characters just don't hold feuds for long periods of time. It is kind of the same thing with Betty and Veronica. They fight like cats and dogs in most stories in the comics, but they always remain best friends in the end for the most part. It's just another things to add onto the pile that is not a good representation of Archie comics.
On the one hand, Archie stories rarely continue the way TV shows do, so everything has to wrap up and reset after 4-12 pages no matter what — even a completely faithful adaption (in spirit) would have to draw things out a bit longer ... in this case, the root issue seems to have been Jug totally freaking Archie out by kissing him ...
That is true, but it makes it like Jughead and Archie had some sort of falling out altogether and in turn could be nasty towards each other which I can't imagine ever happening even if it is only for a season of shows.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: JonInIowaCity on April 12, 2016, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 12, 2016, 01:23:36 AM
Literally on vacation right now trying to have a good time but I just can't because all I think about all day and night is how Archie is getting destroyed right in front of my eyes. 
This forum is the only possible way to save everything before it becomes another ambercrombi and shit disaster.

For the love of all that is holy we must band together and save Archie before it's too late!!!! 



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The problem is we can't. They are going to do what they want. The only way this show will be stopped is that people will not view it and it will get cancelled.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: JonInIowaCity on April 12, 2016, 11:53:13 AM
I don't know this for sure, but I think that Archie Comics is depending financially on the success of this show. The death of "Riverdale" won't save Archie Comics. Somehow I think it will make it even more fragile. IMHO, as always...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 11:57:17 AM
Quote from: JonInIowaCity on April 12, 2016, 11:53:13 AM
I don't know this for sure, but I think that Archie Comics is depending financially on the success of this show. The death of "Riverdale" won't save Archie Comics. Somehow I think it will make it even more fragile. IMHO, as always...
I also don't feel if this show fails that ultimately means Archie Comics goes down the drain quickly. If they are hanging all there hope on a T.V. series then the company is in much worse shape than I can in imagine.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: JonInIowaCity on April 12, 2016, 11:59:47 AM
I know that people are stressing about this show and how it distorts the comic book versions of the program. I'm not there. I'm looking forward to checking out "Riverdale" and seeing how it evolves into its own creation. It might suck. Or it might turn out to be great. But I want to wait to see how this turns out.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 12:03:46 PM
Quote from: JonInIowaCity on April 12, 2016, 11:59:47 AM
I know that people are stressing about this show and how it distorts the comic book versions of the program. I'm not there. I'm looking forward to checking out "Riverdale" and seeing how it evolves into its own creation. It might suck. Or it might turn out to be great. But I want to wait to see how this turns out.
Like I said before in several posts I plan on watching it, but I am really not going into it as this is a show about what went on in the Archie Comics for many decades. I am looking at it right now as just another teen drama like all those others that just so happens to have the same character names as the Archie comic characters that I read.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: JonInIowaCity on April 12, 2016, 12:12:13 PM
And that's really how you should look at it, in my mind.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 12, 2016, 12:23:01 PM
It's really the only way you can look at it without giving yourself an ulcer.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 12:31:30 PM
I think there could be two scenarios for the outcome of this show. Teens will flock to another teen drama with no regard that it has anything to do with Archie Comics and the show has a few seasons until it dies off.

or

Teens could be getting tired of the amount of similar shows that have been flooding the market over the past decade or so. Either way I don't think the majority of the impact of this show either on the success or demise side will be because it is related to Archie Comics in any way.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 12, 2016, 12:51:18 PM
As far as the Archie name goes I expect it to mostly draw in older people out of curiosity ... Whether they will then be more intrigued or disgusted is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 01:03:31 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 12, 2016, 12:51:18 PM
As far as the Archie name goes I expect it to mostly draw in older people out of curiosity ... Whether they will then be more intrigued or disgusted is anyone's guess.
From what I have been hearing from Archie fans and I mean that by the fans that have been around for several years that most are disgusted with what is going on with this show. Many of these dedicated  Archie comics fans may have already decided to boycott this whole thing altogether already. I myself can't do that because I am the type of person that just has to see how it is going to go down. Is it going to take flight or sink? I would be dying inside if I didn't watch to see for myself.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 01:28:29 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 10, 2016, 08:45:54 PM
Happy #NationalSiblingDay from the Blossoms! #Riverdale

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Oh, so he will be alive on the show, for at least one episode before Cheryl kills him.
They look weird, like out of a Twilight movie or something.

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 01:30:41 PM

Quote from: JonInIowaCity on April 12, 2016, 11:53:13 AM
I don't know this for sure, but I think that Archie Comics is depending financially on the success of this show. The death of "Riverdale" won't save Archie Comics. Somehow I think it will make it even more fragile. IMHO, as always...


Well they're idiots. They shouldn't be depending on this awful show....
I don't know what else to say about this. All of this is so wrong in so many ways. Seriously hope this gets cancelled.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 02:11:29 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 01:30:41 PM

Quote from: JonInIowaCity on April 12, 2016, 11:53:13 AM
I don't know this for sure, but I think that Archie Comics is depending financially on the success of this show. The death of "Riverdale" won't save Archie Comics. Somehow I think it will make it even more fragile. IMHO, as always...


Well they're idiots. They shouldn't be depending on this awful show....
I don't know what else to say about this. All of this is so wrong in so many ways. Seriously hope this gets cancelled.
Even if it doesn't get cancelled it won't last too long at all. These shows have been flooding the market lately and I would say maybe Pretty Little Liars & Vampire Diaries are probably the most popular of this genre right now. Even those shows aren't going to last much longer and Riverdale isn't even close to those shows.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 12, 2016, 02:24:07 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 12, 2016, 01:03:31 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 12, 2016, 12:51:18 PM
As far as the Archie name goes I expect it to mostly draw in older people out of curiosity ... Whether they will then be more intrigued or disgusted is anyone's guess.
From what I have been hearing from Archie fans and I mean that by the fans that have been around for several years that most are disgusted with what is going on with this show. Many of these dedicated  Archie comics fans may have already decided to boycott this whole thing altogether already. I myself can't do that because I am the type of person that just has to see how it is going to go down. Is it going to take flight or sink? I would be dying inside if I didn't watch to see for myself.
Doubtful they have any concerns with the opinions of any current fan, long-time or not — it's the former readers whose interest they may hope to pique and draw in just to see what it's like ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 02:29:08 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 12, 2016, 02:24:07 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 12, 2016, 01:03:31 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 12, 2016, 12:51:18 PM
As far as the Archie name goes I expect it to mostly draw in older people out of curiosity ... Whether they will then be more intrigued or disgusted is anyone's guess.
From what I have been hearing from Archie fans and I mean that by the fans that have been around for several years that most are disgusted with what is going on with this show. Many of these dedicated  Archie comics fans may have already decided to boycott this whole thing altogether already. I myself can't do that because I am the type of person that just has to see how it is going to go down. Is it going to take flight or sink? I would be dying inside if I didn't watch to see for myself.
Doubtful they have any concerns with the opinions of any current fan, long-time or not — it's the former readers whose interest they may hope to pique and draw in just to see what it's like ...
I agree, and in my opinion that is very sad.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 12, 2016, 02:57:46 PM
Personally I don't care what they do to the characters in the show at this point. I've read enough regarding their intentions that I have zero interest in watching it.

The only possibility that is potentially upsetting to me is that if the show (somehow, although the odds seem pretty well stacked against this) were to become a real hit. Why? Because if it does, it is virtually guaranteed to affect the comics published by ACP. They are sure to see that TV success as an indication that people want to read about characters who are similar to the TV show in the comic books. The last thing I want to see is Aguirre-Sacasa's version of Archie and the gang as comic book characters (AWA is quite enough of that), because you can pretty much bet that it would then become the main version of Archie. I'm not losing TOO much sleep over that possibility right now, since as I mentioned, the odds of the TV show becoming a real hit seem pretty slim.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 12, 2016, 02:57:46 PM
Personally I don't care what they do to the characters in the show at this point. I've read enough regarding their intentions that I have zero interest in watching it.

The only possibility that is potentially upsetting to me is that if the show (somehow, although the odds seem pretty well stacked against this) were to become a real hit. Why? Because if it does, it is virtually guaranteed to affect the comics published by ACP. They are sure to see that TV success as an indication that people want to read about characters who are similar to the TV show in the comic books. The last thing I want to see is Aguirre-Sacasa's version of Archie and the gang as comic book characters (AWA is quite enough of that), because you can pretty much bet that it would then become the main version of Archie. I'm not losing TOO much sleep over that possibility right now, since as I mentioned, the odds of the TV show becoming a real hit seem pretty slim.
I highly doubt this will become a hit. It may not be cancelled before it ever makes it to season one, but it will be short lived. Really these sort of shows have flooded the market lately and really only a very few have survived like Pretty Little Liars and Vampire Diaries to the point of saying it is a current success. With all the negative feedback I have been hearing about this I don't see this in the same class as the two previous shows I mentioned.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: TeamBlossom on April 12, 2016, 06:05:59 PM
Still on the fence with this show, with Jason killed off so soon and other characters race-lifted for no reason. A brown-eyed Cheryl would be the deal breaker, but if they give Cheryl's actress green contacts, I'll give the show a chance.

Reggie's actor is a questionable choice, but not because he's Asian. His jaw is shaped more like Archie's jaw than Reggie's jaw.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 06:29:58 PM
Quote from: TheSnowflakeNetwork on April 12, 2016, 06:05:59 PM
Still on the fence with this show, with Jason killed off so soon and other characters race-lifted for no reason. A brown-eyed Cheryl would be the deal breaker, but if they give Cheryl's actress green contacts, I'll give the show a chance.

Reggie's actor is a questionable choice, but not because he's Asian. His jaw is shaped more like Archie's jaw than Reggie's jaw.
I agree with you that some of the choices of casting has been well weird, but that is really not the back breaker for me at all. What I am more upset at is more the choices to make a wholesome character such as Betty Cooper dependent on some sort of pain medication. Also having Archie and Jughead who have been childhood best buddies since like birth in some sort of feud that they don't like each other at all from the beginning is not starting out on the right foot in my opinion. Truly the real casting decision that I think is really wrong is having a hot 20 something actress play Miss Grundy. This has nothing to do with what the actress looks like or anything, but it goes totally opposite what Miss Grundy is. A lot of the decision just don't make much sense to this point.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 12, 2016, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: JonInIowaCity on April 12, 2016, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 12, 2016, 01:23:36 AM
Literally on vacation right now trying to have a good time but I just can't because all I think about all day and night is how Archie is getting destroyed right in front of my eyes. 
This forum is the only possible way to save everything before it becomes another ambercrombi and shit disaster.

For the love of all that is holy we must band together and save Archie before it's too late!!!! 



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How can we save it?

What about a petition ?

I feel like if the show fails it could ruin it for the rest of the Archie company and everything will go into the hole.
I think it is too far gone for a petition to do anything right now. They have hired the entire cast, seemed to have done a lot of the filming for the Pilot, paid for all the cast and crew to get to location. A petition is not going to stop it now.The only thing that is going to halt this project in the tracks is itself and that people do not give it the time of day.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 12, 2016, 02:57:46 PM
Personally I don't care what they do to the characters in the show at this point. I've read enough regarding their intentions that I have zero interest in watching it.

The only possibility that is potentially upsetting to me is that if the show (somehow, although the odds seem pretty well stacked against this) were to become a real hit. Why? Because if it does, it is virtually guaranteed to affect the comics published by ACP. They are sure to see that TV success as an indication that people want to read about characters who are similar to the TV show in the comic books. The last thing I want to see is Aguirre-Sacasa's version of Archie and the gang as comic book characters (AWA is quite enough of that), because you can pretty much bet that it would then become the main version of Archie. I'm not losing TOO much sleep over that possibility right now, since as I mentioned, the odds of the TV show becoming a real hit seem pretty slim.
I was thinking about this the other day, what if kids (tweens/teens) actually like the show and want to start buying the comics thinking they're going to be like the TV series and then be disappointed because the comics are none at all similar to the CW show, especially if they come across the Classic style, and then because of that ACP decides to change the comics to be more like the show  :buck2:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 08:26:21 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 12, 2016, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 12, 2016, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: JonInIowaCity on April 12, 2016, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 12, 2016, 01:23:36 AM
Literally on vacation right now trying to have a good time but I just can't because all I think about all day and night is how Archie is getting destroyed right in front of my eyes. 
This forum is the only possible way to save everything before it becomes another ambercrombi and shit disaster.

For the love of all that is holy we must band together and save Archie before it's too late!!!! 



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How can we save it?

What about a petition ?

I feel like if the show fails it could ruin it for the rest of the Archie company and everything will go into the hole.
I think it is too far gone for a petition to do anything right now. They have hired the entire cast, seemed to have done a lot of the filming for the Pilot, paid for all the cast and crew to get to location. A petition is not going to stop it now.The only thing that is going to halt this project in the tracks is itself and that people do not give it the time of day.
I think unfortunately even if we had started a petition before they hired cast and crew, it still wouldn't change things. They have made it very clear they don't care at all what we think or want, even if we have been lifelong loyal fans.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 08:27:25 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 12, 2016, 02:57:46 PM
Personally I don't care what they do to the characters in the show at this point. I've read enough regarding their intentions that I have zero interest in watching it.

The only possibility that is potentially upsetting to me is that if the show (somehow, although the odds seem pretty well stacked against this) were to become a real hit. Why? Because if it does, it is virtually guaranteed to affect the comics published by ACP. They are sure to see that TV success as an indication that people want to read about characters who are similar to the TV show in the comic books. The last thing I want to see is Aguirre-Sacasa's version of Archie and the gang as comic book characters (AWA is quite enough of that), because you can pretty much bet that it would then become the main version of Archie. I'm not losing TOO much sleep over that possibility right now, since as I mentioned, the odds of the TV show becoming a real hit seem pretty slim.
I was thinking about this the other day, what if kids (tweens/teens) actually like the show and want to start buying the comics thinking they're going to be like the TV series and then be disappointed because the comics are none at all similar to the CW show, especially if they come across the Classic style, and then because of that ACP decides to change the comics to be more like the show  :buck2:
If and that is a huge if the show does succeed and teens do go to the comics, I wouldn't be surprised at all if ACP tries to get the money flowing in that way. Hell, they all but killed off the Classic Archie that has been around for 75 years for a chance of what they thought was a quick buck in the new reboot style. We all see now where that is going.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 08:34:43 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 12, 2016, 08:27:25 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 12, 2016, 02:57:46 PM
Personally I don't care what they do to the characters in the show at this point. I've read enough regarding their intentions that I have zero interest in watching it.

The only possibility that is potentially upsetting to me is that if the show (somehow, although the odds seem pretty well stacked against this) were to become a real hit. Why? Because if it does, it is virtually guaranteed to affect the comics published by ACP. They are sure to see that TV success as an indication that people want to read about characters who are similar to the TV show in the comic books. The last thing I want to see is Aguirre-Sacasa's version of Archie and the gang as comic book characters (AWA is quite enough of that), because you can pretty much bet that it would then become the main version of Archie. I'm not losing TOO much sleep over that possibility right now, since as I mentioned, the odds of the TV show becoming a real hit seem pretty slim.
I was thinking about this the other day, what if kids (tweens/teens) actually like the show and want to start buying the comics thinking they're going to be like the TV series and then be disappointed because the comics are none at all similar to the CW show, especially if they come across the Classic style, and then because of that ACP decides to change the comics to be more like the show  :buck2:
If and that is a huge if the show does succeed and teens do go to the comics, I wouldn't be surprised at all if ACP tries to get the money flowing in that way. Hell, they all but killed off the Classic Archie that has been around for 75 years for a chance of what they thought was a quick buck in the new reboot style. We all see now where that is going.


Yep. Sad but true :/
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 08:43:20 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 08:34:43 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 12, 2016, 08:27:25 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 12, 2016, 02:57:46 PM
Personally I don't care what they do to the characters in the show at this point. I've read enough regarding their intentions that I have zero interest in watching it.

The only possibility that is potentially upsetting to me is that if the show (somehow, although the odds seem pretty well stacked against this) were to become a real hit. Why? Because if it does, it is virtually guaranteed to affect the comics published by ACP. They are sure to see that TV success as an indication that people want to read about characters who are similar to the TV show in the comic books. The last thing I want to see is Aguirre-Sacasa's version of Archie and the gang as comic book characters (AWA is quite enough of that), because you can pretty much bet that it would then become the main version of Archie. I'm not losing TOO much sleep over that possibility right now, since as I mentioned, the odds of the TV show becoming a real hit seem pretty slim.
I was thinking about this the other day, what if kids (tweens/teens) actually like the show and want to start buying the comics thinking they're going to be like the TV series and then be disappointed because the comics are none at all similar to the CW show, especially if they come across the Classic style, and then because of that ACP decides to change the comics to be more like the show  :buck2:
If and that is a huge if the show does succeed and teens do go to the comics, I wouldn't be surprised at all if ACP tries to get the money flowing in that way. Hell, they all but killed off the Classic Archie that has been around for 75 years for a chance of what they thought was a quick buck in the new reboot style. We all see now where that is going.


Yep. Sad but true :/
Anything to make the almighty dollar and ACP seems to be pretty desperate right now.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Mr.Lodge on April 12, 2016, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 10, 2016, 09:22:51 PM
I can somewhat agree with modernized, energized, and darkened, but it is so far from respecting the original Archie comics line it is not even funny.
That's why I won't even bother with watching it.  :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: Mr.Lodge on April 12, 2016, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 10, 2016, 09:22:51 PM
I can somewhat agree with modernized, energized, and darkened, but it is so far from respecting the original Archie comics line it is not even funny.
That's why I won't even bother with watching it.  :uglystupid2:
I wish I had the will power to just dump it and leave it without at least taking a glance at it. I at least have to take a look at it to make my final determination on it even though I believe I really know where I am leaning.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: irishmoxie on April 12, 2016, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: TheSnowflakeNetwork on April 12, 2016, 06:05:59 PM
Still on the fence with this show, with Jason killed off so soon and other characters race-lifted for no reason. A brown-eyed Cheryl would be the deal breaker, but if they give Cheryl's actress green contacts, I'll give the show a chance.

Reggie's actor is a questionable choice, but not because he's Asian. His jaw is shaped more like Archie's jaw than Reggie's jaw.


Daren is that you? Someone made this same comment on the old forum about Cheryl's green eyes.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 11:06:24 PM
Quote from: Mr.Lodge on April 12, 2016, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 10, 2016, 09:22:51 PM
I can somewhat agree with modernized, energized, and darkened, but it is so far from respecting the original Archie comics line it is not even funny.
That's why I won't even bother with watching it.  :uglystupid2:


I won't lie, I most likely will watch the pilot but I guarantee I will be hating and criticizing every second of it, lol  :2funny:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 12, 2016, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 11:06:24 PM
Quote from: Mr.Lodge on April 12, 2016, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 10, 2016, 09:22:51 PM
I can somewhat agree with modernized, energized, and darkened, but it is so far from respecting the original Archie comics line it is not even funny.
That's why I won't even bother with watching it.  :uglystupid2:


I won't lie, I most likely will watch the pilot but I guarantee I will be hating and criticizing every second of it, lol  :2funny:
I actually applaud those who will not watch it because the more people who don't tune into it at all the more likely the show will not make it. I am like you though, I have to at least see the Pilot so I can critique it up and down and just to say I watched it.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Mr.Lodge on April 12, 2016, 11:37:21 PM
I'll stick with Crazy Ex-Girlfriend  :smitten:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 13, 2016, 12:05:54 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 12, 2016, 02:57:46 PM
Personally I don't care what they do to the characters in the show at this point. I've read enough regarding their intentions that I have zero interest in watching it.

The only possibility that is potentially upsetting to me is that if the show (somehow, although the odds seem pretty well stacked against this) were to become a real hit. Why? Because if it does, it is virtually guaranteed to affect the comics published by ACP. They are sure to see that TV success as an indication that people want to read about characters who are similar to the TV show in the comic books. The last thing I want to see is Aguirre-Sacasa's version of Archie and the gang as comic book characters (AWA is quite enough of that), because you can pretty much bet that it would then become the main version of Archie. I'm not losing TOO much sleep over that possibility right now, since as I mentioned, the odds of the TV show becoming a real hit seem pretty slim.
I was thinking about this the other day, what if kids (tweens/teens) actually like the show and want to start buying the comics thinking they're going to be like the TV series and then be disappointed because the comics are none at all similar to the CW show, especially if they come across the Classic style, and then because of that ACP decides to change the comics to be more like the show  :buck2:
Sadly this has always been Archie's policy — Sabrina (all TV incarnations) are a prime example, but Josie as well — the entire Pussycats thing was due to the possibility of television placement ... and usually they jump the gun on it — I wouldn't be surprised to find that the entire re-boot Archie was based on their original TV proposal ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 13, 2016, 12:09:20 AM
Quote from: The Bee on April 12, 2016, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 11:06:24 PM
Quote from: Mr.Lodge on April 12, 2016, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 10, 2016, 09:22:51 PM
I can somewhat agree with modernized, energized, and darkened, but it is so far from respecting the original Archie comics line it is not even funny.
That's why I won't even bother with watching it.  :uglystupid2:


I won't lie, I most likely will watch the pilot but I guarantee I will be hating and criticizing every second of it, lol  :2funny:
I actually applaud those who will not watch it because the more people who don't tune into it at all the more likely the show will not make it. I am like you though, I have to at least see the Pilot so I can critique it up and down and just to say I watched it.


I hate that by tuning in I'll be helping their ratings go up.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 13, 2016, 12:23:28 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 13, 2016, 12:09:20 AM
Quote from: The Bee on April 12, 2016, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 11:06:24 PM
Quote from: Mr.Lodge on April 12, 2016, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 10, 2016, 09:22:51 PM
I can somewhat agree with modernized, energized, and darkened, but it is so far from respecting the original Archie comics line it is not even funny.
That's why I won't even bother with watching it.  :uglystupid2:


I won't lie, I most likely will watch the pilot but I guarantee I will be hating and criticizing every second of it, lol  :2funny:
I actually applaud those who will not watch it because the more people who don't tune into it at all the more likely the show will not make it. I am like you though, I have to at least see the Pilot so I can critique it up and down and just to say I watched it.


I hate that by tuning in I'll be helping their ratings go up.
I mean you are only one person so it really won't make or break the show. I also am not sure if the CW executive preview the show even before the public sees it and determines if it is a go or not so the Pilot may not even air if the executives of the CW pull the plug after viewing what they got I think next month.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 13, 2016, 12:41:46 AM
Quote from: The Bee on April 13, 2016, 12:23:28 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 13, 2016, 12:09:20 AM
Quote from: The Bee on April 12, 2016, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 12, 2016, 11:06:24 PM
Quote from: Mr.Lodge on April 12, 2016, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 10, 2016, 09:22:51 PM
I can somewhat agree with modernized, energized, and darkened, but it is so far from respecting the original Archie comics line it is not even funny.
That's why I won't even bother with watching it.  :uglystupid2:


I won't lie, I most likely will watch the pilot but I guarantee I will be hating and criticizing every second of it, lol  :2funny:
I actually applaud those who will not watch it because the more people who don't tune into it at all the more likely the show will not make it. I am like you though, I have to at least see the Pilot so I can critique it up and down and just to say I watched it.


I hate that by tuning in I'll be helping their ratings go up.
I mean you are only one person so it really won't make or break the show. I also am not sure if the CW executive preview the show even before the public sees it and determines if it is a go or not so the Pilot may not even air if the executives of the CW pull the plug after viewing what they got I think next month.


Yeah, that's true, but I just don't want to help them (or feel like I am helping them) not even a little teeny bit  :D
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 13, 2016, 01:17:28 AM
Remember that Berlanti doesn't work for CW directly — if they don't pick it up it could be shopped around and air on another network ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 13, 2016, 01:25:03 AM
Quote from: invisifan on April 13, 2016, 01:17:28 AM
Remember that Berlanti doesn't work for CW directly — if they don't pick it up it could be shopped around and air on another network ...
If a small network like the CW doesn't pick it up I doubt one like ABC, NBC, CBS, or FOX would pick it up. It would have to be picked up by some cable channel like AMC or something like that.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 13, 2016, 01:37:10 AM
Ten years from now people will be watching the Riverdale TV pilot on YouTube and laughing about what a ridiculous distortion of the characters it is.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: TeamBlossom on April 13, 2016, 07:20:37 AM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 12, 2016, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: TheSnowflakeNetwork on April 12, 2016, 06:05:59 PM
Still on the fence with this show, with Jason killed off so soon and other characters race-lifted for no reason. A brown-eyed Cheryl would be the deal breaker, but if they give Cheryl's actress green contacts, I'll give the show a chance.

Reggie's actor is a questionable choice, but not because he's Asian. His jaw is shaped more like Archie's jaw than Reggie's jaw.


Daren is that you? Someone made this same comment on the old forum about Cheryl's green eyes.
Nope, I wasn't Daren. It's just that the traditional Archie house style usually doesn't indicate eye color (only a pupil, no iris), but when eyes are colored in, Cheryl's eyes were almost always colored in green. Occasionally blue due to colorist error, but never brown.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 14, 2016, 04:42:14 PM
I'm just waiting for this Josie and the Pussycats group on the 1st Riverdale episode to bust out into a Destiny's Child song like Bootylicious.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdKUF5JUkAAHF35.jpg)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: irishmoxie on April 14, 2016, 07:48:28 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 14, 2016, 04:42:14 PM
I'm just waiting for this Josie and the Pussycats group on the 1st Riverdale episode to bust out into a Destiny's Child song like Bootylicious.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdKUF5JUkAAHF35.jpg)


I'm waiting for them to bust out some TLC songs.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Cheryl on April 16, 2016, 08:21:24 PM
Looking pretty good here, I honestly think so.  ;)
(https://www.archiefans.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs5.postimg.org%2F576c9ks0n%2FCeoxdny_WQAA1_Aw1.jpg&hash=165c9d6c71642eef6d64bc591f82e46f2497fd2e)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on April 16, 2016, 08:40:36 PM
Teen Beach 2 is on now & the kid who playing Reggie was in scene. He is cute.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 16, 2016, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 14, 2016, 04:42:14 PM
I'm just waiting for this Josie and the Pussycats group on the 1st Riverdale episode to bust out into a Destiny's Child song like Bootylicious.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdKUF5JUkAAHF35.jpg)
The gratuitous race swapping is ... a bit annoying, but casting the one with the palest complexion as Valerie and the (is it just me?) least attractive one as Melody is just rubbing fans noses in it ... and given that, if they ever want to do the Archie/Valerie thing now then we really have an excuse to call them on racism ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: daren on April 17, 2016, 06:55:16 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 12, 2016, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: TheSnowflakeNetwork on April 12, 2016, 06:05:59 PM
Still on the fence with this show, with Jason killed off so soon and other characters race-lifted for no reason. A brown-eyed Cheryl would be the deal breaker, but if they give Cheryl's actress green contacts, I'll give the show a chance.

Reggie's actor is a questionable choice, but not because he's Asian. His jaw is shaped more like Archie's jaw than Reggie's jaw.


Daren is that you? Someone made this same comment on the old forum about Cheryl's green eyes.


No I was the one saying they should get a blue eyed actress for Betty.


Sorry SnowflakeNetwork but I doubt they'll make Cheryl's eyes green, those contacts would lead to problems because they hurt like hell and they're already disregarding physical canon for half the other characters.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on April 17, 2016, 09:42:08 PM
She can wear contacts.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 18, 2016, 11:23:44 PM
Anyone knows if the cast members had read an Archie comic before they were cast. Have they mentioned anything about it? just curious.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 19, 2016, 12:27:34 PM
They are gonna be a hip hop group  ;D
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 21, 2016, 08:50:15 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 21, 2016, 03:17:12 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 19, 2016, 12:27:34 PM
They are gonna be a hip hop group  ;D

Are you serious?! (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji24.png)


This time I was just joking. But the way things are going it wouldn't surprise me if they did  turn them into a hip hop act.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 22, 2016, 03:42:09 PM
I've heard about this but haven't payed it much attention because I don't watch that much television anyway and I most likely won't watch this either. If I do end up catching a show hear and there  it will be so sporadic I won't know what's going on in the show anyway.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Cheryl on April 22, 2016, 11:34:32 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 18, 2016, 11:23:44 PM
Anyone knows if the cast members had read an Archie comic before they were cast. Have they mentioned anything about it? just curious.


Cole Sprouse (Jughead) is a big comic fan (anime and manga fan as well.) Not sure about any of the other cast though.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 23, 2016, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: Queen Cheryl on April 22, 2016, 11:34:32 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 18, 2016, 11:23:44 PM
Anyone knows if the cast members had read an Archie comic before they were cast. Have they mentioned anything about it? just curious.


Cole Sprouse (Jughead) is a big comic fan (anime and manga fan as well.) Not sure about any of the other cast though.
Cole Sprouse from Disney's Suite Life shows seems like a pretty good actor. He was pretty young when he started Suite Life so I don't know how he will do with the Jughead character.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 23, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
Quote from: Queen Cheryl on April 22, 2016, 11:34:32 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 18, 2016, 11:23:44 PM
Anyone knows if the cast members had read an Archie comic before they were cast. Have they mentioned anything about it? just curious.


Cole Sprouse (Jughead) is a big comic fan (anime and manga fan as well.) Not sure about any of the other cast though.


Big comic fan but is he an Archie comics fan?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 23, 2016, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 23, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
Quote from: Queen Cheryl on April 22, 2016, 11:34:32 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 18, 2016, 11:23:44 PM
Anyone knows if the cast members had read an Archie comic before they were cast. Have they mentioned anything about it? just curious.


Cole Sprouse (Jughead) is a big comic fan (anime and manga fan as well.) Not sure about any of the other cast though.


Big comic fan but is he an Archie comics fan?
I don't know if he is a fan of it, but I bet he read some since he got the part of Jughead.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 23, 2016, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 23, 2016, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 23, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
Big comic fan but is he an Archie comics fan?
I don't know if he is a fan of it, but I bet he read some since he got the part of Jughead.
As an American comics fan (and a part of American pop culture) it's hard not to be aware of Archie comics and Jughead in particular, but actually reading them is a lot less likely (and might be a mark against actors for roles in the show, given the changes).
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 23, 2016, 01:53:52 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 23, 2016, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 23, 2016, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 23, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
Big comic fan but is he an Archie comics fan?
I don't know if he is a fan of it, but I bet he read some since he got the part of Jughead.
As an American comics fan (and a part of American pop culture) it's hard not to be aware of Archie comics and Jughead in particular, but actually reading them is a lot less likely (and might be a mark against actors for roles in the show, given the changes).
From what I've heard about this show maybe the actors have been told NOT to read the comics because they are trying to develop new personas of these characters for the show.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 23, 2016, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 23, 2016, 01:53:52 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 23, 2016, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 23, 2016, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 23, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
Big comic fan but is he an Archie comics fan?
I don't know if he is a fan of it, but I bet he read some since he got the part of Jughead.
As an American comics fan (and a part of American pop culture) it's hard not to be aware of Archie comics and Jughead in particular, but actually reading them is a lot less likely (and might be a mark against actors for roles in the show, given the changes).
From what I've heard about this show maybe the actors have been told NOT to read the comics because they are trying to develop new personas of these characters for the show.
tsk, tsk, that's too bad. They should read them so they know exactly how the TV show writers are messing the comics.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 23, 2016, 02:14:01 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 23, 2016, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 23, 2016, 01:53:52 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 23, 2016, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 23, 2016, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 23, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
Big comic fan but is he an Archie comics fan?
I don't know if he is a fan of it, but I bet he read some since he got the part of Jughead.
As an American comics fan (and a part of American pop culture) it's hard not to be aware of Archie comics and Jughead in particular, but actually reading them is a lot less likely (and might be a mark against actors for roles in the show, given the changes).
From what I've heard about this show maybe the actors have been told NOT to read the comics because they are trying to develop new personas of these characters for the show.
tsk, tsk, that's too bad. They should read them so they know exactly how the TV show writers are messing the comics.
I am not an expert on the "Classic" characters personalities but I do know what they look like and a lot of the actors/actresses in this show don't even seem to look like the characters from the comics.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 12:43:44 AM
📼 📺 📀 📼 Now it's only 23 days till The CW decides if RiverDale will be a show on their network on 5/19/16 📼 📺 📀 📼.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 06:38:07 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 12:43:44 AM
📼 📺 📀 📼 Now it's only 23 days till The CW decides if RiverDale will be a show on their network on 5/19/16 📼 📺 📀 📼.
Do ya think it's gonna make it to a full season?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 25, 2016, 01:51:38 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 06:38:07 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 12:43:44 AM
📼 📺 📀 📼 Now it's only 23 days till The CW decides if RiverDale will be a show on their network on 5/19/16 📼 📺 📀 📼.
Do ya think it's gonna make it to a full season?


Let's hope that doesn't happen  ;D
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Rockym on April 25, 2016, 02:50:06 PM
Why the hell are they turning Melody black?  Valerie is in the cast list, so why change Melody's race?  Really getting fed up with race changing when casting comic characters.  Leave them alone and don't change characters that have been around probably longer than anyone assoicated with the show has been.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: Rockym on April 25, 2016, 02:50:06 PM
Why the hell are they turning Melody black?  Valerie is in the cast list, so why change Melody's race?  Really getting fed up with race changing when casting comic characters.  Leave them alone and don't change characters that have been around probably longer than anyone assoicated with the show has been.
It definitely doesn't look like this show is aiming to be anywhere near the traditional Archie Comic style and that seems to have a lot of people up in arms.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 25, 2016, 05:55:36 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 06:38:07 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 12:43:44 AM
📼 📺 📀 📼 Now it's only 23 days till The CW decides if RiverDale will be a show on their network on 5/19/16 📼 📺 📀 📼.
Do ya think it's gonna make it to a full season?
If it gets picked up at all it will almost certainly get to run a full season, but what that is will be defined in the contract — anywhere from 6-24 episodes these days, with 22 being the most common regular season, but 13 being common for a 1st season/trial/replacement series ...
Quote from: Rockym on April 25, 2016, 02:50:06 PM
Why the hell are they turning Melody black?  Valerie is in the cast list, so why change Melody's race?  Really getting fed up with race changing when casting comic characters.  Leave them alone and don't change characters that have been around probably longer than anyone assoicated with the show has been.
Because they can? Marvel really started the whole race-swapping thing when they had the chance to get Samuel L.Jackson to play Nick Fury — that was just a marketing thing to have a big name actor for a major character ... they at least introduce new characters to do it these days ...  DC is the one that is the worst — their TV shows seem to automatically swap red-head → black character which I take quite personally, and aside from Archie and Cheryl ACP seems to be fallowing their lead and expanding on it ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 06:23:27 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 25, 2016, 05:55:36 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 06:38:07 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 25, 2016, 12:43:44 AM
📼 📺 📀 📼 Now it's only 23 days till The CW decides if RiverDale will be a show on their network on 5/19/16 📼 📺 📀 📼.
Do ya think it's gonna make it to a full season?
If it gets picked up at all it will almost certainly get to run a full season, but what that is will be defined in the contract — anywhere from 6-24 episodes these days, with 22 being the most common regular season, but 13 being common for a 1st season/trial/replacement series ...

From all the talk and what I have read it seems like a lot of the fans of the comics would rather not see the show make it.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 25, 2016, 06:26:43 PM
The fans aren't the demographic they are aiming for — there aren't enough and instead of trying to grow that existing fanbase they are looking for a new, larger one, apparently ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: spazaru on April 25, 2016, 06:29:26 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 25, 2016, 06:26:43 PM
The fans aren't the demographic they are aiming for — there aren't enough and instead of trying to grow that existing fanbase they are looking for a new, larger one, apparently ...

As they should.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 06:30:06 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 25, 2016, 06:26:43 PM
The fans aren't the demographic they are aiming for — there aren't enough and instead of trying to grow that existing fanbase they are looking for a new, larger one, apparently ...
While pushing away the fans they already got? That doesn't seem very smart. :crazy2:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 25, 2016, 06:36:55 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 06:30:06 PMWhile pushing away the fans they already got? That doesn't seem very smart. :crazy2:
No one is suggesting they are really ...  :(
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 06:55:33 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 25, 2016, 06:40:22 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: Rockym on April 25, 2016, 02:50:06 PM
Why the hell are they turning Melody black?  Valerie is in the cast list, so why change Melody's race?  Really getting fed up with race changing when casting comic characters.  Leave them alone and don't change characters that have been around probably longer than anyone assoicated with the show has been.
It definitely doesn't look like this show is aiming to be anywhere near the traditional Archie Comic style and that seems to have a lot of people up in arms.

The thing about Archie is that everyone and their mother knows him heard of him or read a comic once in there life archie is the most famous comic book character that isn't a super hero. There is no need to change thing around to build a larger demographic because we all know the gang and Expect to see them how we remember them.
This show is going to confuse people and could even detour parents from showing there kids archie if they are all going to be meth heads.
I haven't heard the Meth Heads yet, but it wouldn't surprise me because the teen drama shows on today have at least one character it seems doing some sort of drugs.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on April 25, 2016, 06:58:59 PM
Many fans are interested in this Riverdale TV Series.
There are not only 61 fans in the world.  :crazy2:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 07:03:06 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 25, 2016, 06:36:55 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 06:30:06 PMWhile pushing away the fans they already got? That doesn't seem very smart. :crazy2:
No one is suggesting they are really ...  :(
I not saying anyone here is saying that, but it does seem like a lot of the comic fan base is not happy with the direction this show is going which may indirectly turn away some of those regular fans of the comics. I hope this wouldn't happen, but from what I've been reading about this show some regular fans are pretty angry at the stuff this show is doing to the name of the comics and the tradition of it.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 07:05:16 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 25, 2016, 06:58:59 PM
Many fans are interested in this Riverdale TV Series.
There are not only 61 fans in the world.  :crazy2:
I'm not just going from the fans on this board. Many other fans have expressed there displeasure about this show all over the internet.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 25, 2016, 11:19:51 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 06:55:33 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 25, 2016, 06:40:22 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: Rockym on April 25, 2016, 02:50:06 PM
Why the hell are they turning Melody black?  Valerie is in the cast list, so why change Melody's race?  Really getting fed up with race changing when casting comic characters.  Leave them alone and don't change characters that have been around probably longer than anyone assoicated with the show has been.
It definitely doesn't look like this show is aiming to be anywhere near the traditional Archie Comic style and that seems to have a lot of people up in arms.

The thing about Archie is that everyone and their mother knows him heard of him or read a comic once in there life archie is the most famous comic book character that isn't a super hero. There is no need to change thing around to build a larger demographic because we all know the gang and Expect to see them how we remember them.
This show is going to confuse people and could even detour parents from showing there kids archie if they are all going to be meth heads.
I haven't heard the Meth Heads yet, but it wouldn't surprise me because the teen drama shows on today have at least one character it seems doing some sort of drugs.


You need to read this whole thread so you'll see the absurd things they are planning on doing with that show. Meth heads, Archie sleeping with Miss Grundy, Betty addicted to drugs, etc, etc,etc.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 25, 2016, 11:20:44 PM
Quote from: Rockym on April 25, 2016, 02:50:06 PM
Why the hell are they turning Melody black?  Valerie is in the cast list, so why change Melody's race?  Really getting fed up with race changing when casting comic characters.  Leave them alone and don't change characters that have been around probably longer than anyone assoicated with the show has been.


I agree, but try to make them understand.  ::)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 25, 2016, 11:19:51 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 06:55:33 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 25, 2016, 06:40:22 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: Rockym on April 25, 2016, 02:50:06 PM
Why the hell are they turning Melody black?  Valerie is in the cast list, so why change Melody's race?  Really getting fed up with race changing when casting comic characters.  Leave them alone and don't change characters that have been around probably longer than anyone assoicated with the show has been.
It definitely doesn't look like this show is aiming to be anywhere near the traditional Archie Comic style and that seems to have a lot of people up in arms.

The thing about Archie is that everyone and their mother knows him heard of him or read a comic once in there life archie is the most famous comic book character that isn't a super hero. There is no need to change thing around to build a larger demographic because we all know the gang and Expect to see them how we remember them.
This show is going to confuse people and could even detour parents from showing there kids archie if they are all going to be meth heads.
I haven't heard the Meth Heads yet, but it wouldn't surprise me because the teen drama shows on today have at least one character it seems doing some sort of drugs.


You need to read this whole thread so you'll see the absurd things they are planning on doing with that show. Meth heads, Archie sleeping with Miss Grundy, Betty addicted to drugs, etc, etc,etc.
What? Archie sleeping with Miss Grundy. That is just sick.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on April 26, 2016, 05:45:07 PM
Even the singer Courtney Love Cobain and Mark Hamill(Luke Skywalker) like Archie and Riverdale.  :o

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg_5bDyWUAAUsF1.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgv0s7qWwAEITvy.jpg)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 26, 2016, 06:21:12 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 26, 2016, 05:45:07 PM
Even the singer Courtney Love Cobain and Mark Hamill(Luke Skywalker) like Archie and Riverdale.  :o

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg_5bDyWUAAUsF1.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgv0s7qWwAEITvy.jpg)
Don't really know much about Mark Hamill except he was in some of the Star War films which I have never watched and well Courtney Love Cobain is well Courtney Love Cobain a hot mess 99% of the time. ;D
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on April 26, 2016, 06:31:19 PM
Last night, Camila Mendes(Veronica) was in my dream and she told me a secret in my ear.  :smitten: ;D

(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/camila-mendes-veronica-lodge.jpg?w=446&h=299&crop=1)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 26, 2016, 06:43:41 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 26, 2016, 06:31:19 PM
Last night, Camila Mendes(Veronica) was in my dream and she told me a secret in my ear.  :smitten: ;D

(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/camila-mendes-veronica-lodge.jpg?w=446&h=299&crop=1)
Was the secret if the show was going to make it to a 1st season or not?  :)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on April 26, 2016, 06:48:30 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 26, 2016, 06:43:41 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 26, 2016, 06:31:19 PM
Last night, Camila Mendes(Veronica) was in my dream and she told me a secret in my ear.  :smitten: ;D

(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/camila-mendes-veronica-lodge.jpg?w=446&h=299&crop=1)
Was the secret if the show was going to make it to a 1st season or not?  :)

She told me that I was his favorite.  :P
It was only a dream!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 26, 2016, 06:49:54 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 26, 2016, 06:48:30 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 26, 2016, 06:43:41 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 26, 2016, 06:31:19 PM
Last night, Camila Mendes(Veronica) was in my dream and she told me a secret in my ear.  :smitten: ;D

(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/camila-mendes-veronica-lodge.jpg?w=446&h=299&crop=1)
Was the secret if the show was going to make it to a 1st season or not?  :)

She told me that I was his favorite.  :P
It was only a dream!
Those dreams are always good.  ;)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on April 26, 2016, 06:56:46 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
What? Archie sleeping with Miss Grundy. That is just sick.

I think many men would like to sleep with Miss. Grundy (Sarah Habel).  ::)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9hcY_UUAAjWng.jpg)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: GingerGal on April 26, 2016, 07:04:08 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 26, 2016, 06:56:46 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
What? Archie sleeping with Miss Grundy. That is just sick.

I think many men would like to sleep with Miss. Grundy (Sarah Habel).  ::)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9hcY_UUAAjWng.jpg)
She sure is a far cry from the Miss Grundy in the comic books. That is even more than a 360 degrees away. That is more like a 720 degrees away from the comic book Miss Grundy.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Jabroniville on April 28, 2016, 08:12:12 AM
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 01:10:26 PM
Quote from: HarryLuceyFan on April 10, 2016, 01:06:54 PM


Fernando, should you ever choose to write an autobiography, I'll be first in line to buy it.

It would be the saddest, least remarkable autobiography of all time, Harry... but I got stories. Boy! Do I got stories!
Now that Archie's acted like a bunch of royal butts to you and your co-workers, now'd the time to share :). Burn those bridges!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: longtermarchie101 on April 29, 2016, 12:04:54 PM
personally I think they are trying way to hard to reinvent themselves, wich unfortunately this more proof that they are heading down a continual spiral, I understand they want new audiences but some of the descriptions of characters in this tv show are downright insulting to me. the married life soap was a big enough change as it is. if you want to do something entirely new, why not make new characters for it? instead of making characters that have been known for 76 years completely unrecognizable. to me, it seems like a last ditch attempt to reinvent for a company that's falling.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 29, 2016, 02:01:12 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 26, 2016, 07:04:08 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 26, 2016, 06:56:46 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
What? Archie sleeping with Miss Grundy. That is just sick.

I think many men would like to sleep with Miss. Grundy (Sarah Habel).  ::)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9hcY_UUAAjWng.jpg)
She sure is a far cry from the Miss Grundy in the comic books. That is even more than a 360 degrees away. That is more like a 720 degrees away from the comic book Miss Grundy.


Well, there's nothing wrong with your multiplication skills, but you might need to brush up on your geometry. (360 degrees would be a complete circle, bringing you back to the same point where you started, and 720 degrees just does the same thing twice. Half of a circle - 180 degrees - would point you in the exact opposite direction.) Come to think of it, if Miss Grundy is teaching geometry this semester, I may sign up for the course myself. No, wait -- that would probably result in my forgetting the geometry I've already learned. I can pretty much guarantee I wouldn't wind up spending too much time thinking about geometry in that class.


No one over thirty on THIS show, no ma'am! Who plays the part of Mr. Weatherbee -- Justin Bieber?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 29, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
"No one old, fat, or ugly on this show please. Oh, but do get plenty of black people, Hispanics and Asians." --TPTB
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Ronnie on April 29, 2016, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 29, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
"No one old, fat, or ugly on this show please. Oh, but do get plenty of black people, Hispanics and Asians." --TPTB
Diversity by numbers.....  :idiot2:

How about Jughead going down on Archie in the can?  :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: TeamBlossom on April 29, 2016, 03:11:32 PM
That's Ms. Grundy? She looks more like Ginger!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on April 29, 2016, 05:23:37 PM
Quote from: Ronnie on April 29, 2016, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 29, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
"No one old, fat, or ugly on this show please. Oh, but do get plenty of black people, Hispanics and Asians." --TPTB
Diversity by numbers.....  :idiot2:

How about Jughead going down on Archie in the can?  :uglystupid2:
It seems to be implied that he wants to ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Cheryl on April 29, 2016, 11:20:01 PM
Quote from: invisifan on April 29, 2016, 05:23:37 PM
Quote from: Ronnie on April 29, 2016, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 29, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
"No one old, fat, or ugly on this show please. Oh, but do get plenty of black people, Hispanics and Asians." --TPTB
Diversity by numbers.....  :idiot2:

How about Jughead going down on Archie in the can?  :uglystupid2:
It seems to be implied that he wants to ...
I'd watch the hell out of that!  :D :D :D ;D
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: old_jughead on April 30, 2016, 12:11:55 AM
Would you guys prefer an age accurate 60-70 year-old Grundy and have Archie sleeping with her?  :o :smitten:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 30, 2016, 12:30:56 AM
You'd think that having a regular role in the cast of GLEE would have given Jane Lynch a leg up with the writer of RIVERDALE. She'd have been perfect casting for Miss Grundy. And yes, I realize those casting decisions aren't all up to Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa, but you'd think he could at least recommend her or something.

(https://www.archiefans.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages-cdn.moviepilot.com%2Fimage%2Fupload%2Fc_fill%2Ch_350%2Cw_500%2Ft_mp_quality%2Fuploads-d06102c6-ad3f-4ac1-951d-648ff12ea931-art_jane_lynch-jpg-3255.jpg&hash=06530b73b3014154dd73b21ae037ddd412ac9b87)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Cheryl on April 30, 2016, 12:43:31 AM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 30, 2016, 12:11:55 AM
Would you guys prefer an age accurate 60-70 year-old Grundy and have Archie sleeping with her?  :o :smitten:


Like Harold and Maude! Haha, OK, honestly that would probably freak people out even more. However, that'd be a ton more interesting...seriously! What other show would do something like that? It'd be gimmicky like mad but at least that'd be something actually new.  :2funny:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 30, 2016, 02:31:47 AM
(https://www.archiefans.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sitcomsonline.com%2Fphotopost%2Fdata%2F1298%2FNancy-Kulp.jpg&hash=d928a28195f274be008505449bfc6c8e737543b0)

If time and space were no obstacle to casting, Nancy Kulp (Miss Jane Hathaway on The Beverly Hillbillies) could have fit the part of Miss Grundy perfectly.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Rockym on April 30, 2016, 12:29:11 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 25, 2016, 11:19:51 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 06:55:33 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 25, 2016, 06:40:22 PM
Quote from: GingerGal on April 25, 2016, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: Rockym on April 25, 2016, 02:50:06 PM
Why the hell are they turning Melody black?  Valerie is in the cast list, so why change Melody's race?  Really getting fed up with race changing when casting comic characters.  Leave them alone and don't change characters that have been around probably longer than anyone assoicated with the show has been.
It definitely doesn't look like this show is aiming to be anywhere near the traditional Archie Comic style and that seems to have a lot of people up in arms.

The thing about Archie is that everyone and their mother knows him heard of him or read a comic once in there life archie is the most famous comic book character that isn't a super hero. There is no need to change thing around to build a larger demographic because we all know the gang and Expect to see them how we remember them.
This show is going to confuse people and could even detour parents from showing there kids archie if they are all going to be meth heads.
I haven't heard the Meth Heads yet, but it wouldn't surprise me because the teen drama shows on today have at least one character it seems doing some sort of drugs.


You need to read this whole thread so you'll see the absurd things they are planning on doing with that show. Meth heads, Archie sleeping with Miss Grundy, Betty addicted to drugs, etc, etc,etc.

Are they really planning all that?  The race swapping is bad enough but this sounds like this series wants to be as "un-Archie-ish" as possible and will be a disaster to long time fans.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: PTF on April 30, 2016, 05:36:55 PM
This show could be well be the greatest thing I will ever see.

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 30, 2016, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: Queen Cheryl on April 30, 2016, 12:43:31 AM
Quote from: old_jughead on April 30, 2016, 12:11:55 AM
Would you guys prefer an age accurate 60-70 year-old Grundy and have Archie sleeping with her?  :o :smitten:


Like Harold and Maude! Haha, OK, honestly that would probably freak people out even more. However, that'd be a ton more interesting...seriously! What other show would do something like that? It'd be gimmicky like mad but at least that'd be something actually new.  :2funny:


Ah, how about an age accurate Miss Grundy and have Archie not sleep with her. But I guess that is too much to ask  ::)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on April 30, 2016, 08:14:52 PM
Now it's 18 days till we find out if RiverDale becomes a series on The CW. Let's all keep our fingers crossed.  It would be awesome if the first esposide is free on iTunes. They do make the first esposide of new shows free.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: daren on May 05, 2016, 02:12:37 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 12, 2016, 02:57:46 PM
Personally I don't care what they do to the characters in the show at this point. I've read enough regarding their intentions that I have zero interest in watching it.

The only possibility that is potentially upsetting to me is that if the show (somehow, although the odds seem pretty well stacked against this) were to become a real hit. Why? Because if it does, it is virtually guaranteed to affect the comics published by ACP. They are sure to see that TV success as an indication that people want to read about characters who are similar to the TV show in the comic books. The last thing I want to see is Aguirre-Sacasa's version of Archie and the gang as comic book characters (AWA is quite enough of that), because you can pretty much bet that it would then become the main version of Archie. I'm not losing TOO much sleep over that possibility right now, since as I mentioned, the odds of the TV show becoming a real hit seem pretty slim.


How do you think it could become the main comic book version? A new series drawn in the reboot style or drawn in the classic Archie style?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on May 05, 2016, 02:56:18 AM
Quote from: daren on May 05, 2016, 02:12:37 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 12, 2016, 02:57:46 PM
Personally I don't care what they do to the characters in the show at this point. I've read enough regarding their intentions that I have zero interest in watching it.

The only possibility that is potentially upsetting to me is that if the show (somehow, although the odds seem pretty well stacked against this) were to become a real hit. Why? Because if it does, it is virtually guaranteed to affect the comics published by ACP. They are sure to see that TV success as an indication that people want to read about characters who are similar to the TV show in the comic books. The last thing I want to see is Aguirre-Sacasa's version of Archie and the gang as comic book characters (AWA is quite enough of that), because you can pretty much bet that it would then become the main version of Archie. I'm not losing TOO much sleep over that possibility right now, since as I mentioned, the odds of the TV show becoming a real hit seem pretty slim.


How do you think it could become the main comic book version? A new series drawn in the reboot style or drawn in the classic Archie style?
it would have to be reboot style - classic would confuse retailers and fans of both styles...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on May 05, 2016, 03:43:15 AM
Quote from: daren on May 05, 2016, 02:12:37 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 12, 2016, 02:57:46 PM
Personally I don't care what they do to the characters in the show at this point. I've read enough regarding their intentions that I have zero interest in watching it.

The only possibility that is potentially upsetting to me is that if the show (somehow, although the odds seem pretty well stacked against this) were to become a real hit. Why? Because if it does, it is virtually guaranteed to affect the comics published by ACP. They are sure to see that TV success as an indication that people want to read about characters who are similar to the TV show in the comic books. The last thing I want to see is Aguirre-Sacasa's version of Archie and the gang as comic book characters (AWA is quite enough of that), because you can pretty much bet that it would then become the main version of Archie. I'm not losing TOO much sleep over that possibility right now, since as I mentioned, the odds of the TV show becoming a real hit seem pretty slim.


How do you think it could become the main comic book version? A new series drawn in the reboot style or drawn in the classic Archie style?

Why would they draw it in the classic Archie style? That seems to be their #1 mandate, to stay as far away from that style as possible.  My guess is that they'd just begin altering the characters in the existing Archie series by changing them to reflect the TV series, but if that just wouldn't work because it's too unsubtle, then possibly another reboot (although they might retain whatever creative team was on the title before the change). This would only be if the TV show was doing well in the ratings and seemed destined to go on for a while. If they weren't sure, they'd probably tweak all the characters in the direction of the show as much as possible without directly contradicting whatever the comic had already established by that point.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on May 06, 2016, 10:27:05 PM
This time, it is Berlanti's Riverdale that is leading the pilot pack on The CW...

(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/the-cw-logo-1.png?w=296&h=197)

QuoteWe may have a repeat of 2014, when the two two CW pilots were a comic-based drama from Greg Berlanti, Flash, and a telenovela adaptation produced by Ben Silverman and directed by Brad Silberling, Jane the Virgin. This time, it is Berlanti's Riverdale that is leading the pilot pack, followed by the Silverman-Silberling romantic tale No Tomorrow. Two other pilots, the paranormal drama from Kevin Williamson and theFrequency reboot, are very much in contention, with monster drama Transylvania behind and the Mars project cooling off.

Source: http://deadline.com/2016/05/pilots-pickup-buzz-2016-1201750358/
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Original Sin on May 06, 2016, 10:33:18 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 30, 2016, 05:44:10 PM
Ah, how about an age accurate Miss Grundy and have Archie not sleep with her.

This.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on May 07, 2016, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: Original Sin on May 06, 2016, 10:33:18 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 30, 2016, 05:44:10 PM
Ah, how about an age accurate Miss Grundy and have Archie not sleep with her.

This.


Not doable unless it's a cartoon. Don't you realize that would make it just like in the comic books? Ridiculous. Who would believe that?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on May 09, 2016, 01:39:19 AM
What is a fejioa?  ???

KJ Apa(Archie):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/729534003208949760/pu/img/WsQMWidD8L3whVDC.jpg)
Video:
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/729534003208949760/pu/vid/480x480/y2q0t_Qqj-K7sIDq.mp4 (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/729534003208949760/pu/vid/480x480/y2q0t_Qqj-K7sIDq.mp4)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on May 09, 2016, 08:59:34 PM
^ What?

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on May 09, 2016, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: nuageo on May 09, 2016, 01:39:19 AM
What is a fejioa?  ???
It's a "trendy" fruit native to South America (but there are some growers in California now) that's supposed to have heath benefits ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on May 12, 2016, 08:11:26 PM
#‎Riverdale‬ is coming this fall to The CW!  8)

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Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on May 12, 2016, 10:59:09 PM
I hope it's on Friday night. There's nothing on tv on Friday night.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BlueBomber2015 on May 13, 2016, 12:31:11 AM
This is going to be interesting.  I wonder if it will have wings or crash and burn.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on May 13, 2016, 02:05:02 PM
Quote from: nuageo on May 12, 2016, 08:11:26 PM
#‎Riverdale‬ is coming this fall to The CW!






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Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on May 13, 2016, 03:17:28 PM
I'll be much more interested to know if Supergirl has been renewed — CBS hasn't announced it yet and won't for sure until the 18th (although even if they drop it it could move to the CW) ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: CAPalace on May 13, 2016, 04:08:56 PM
With all the backlash against CW shows like 'The 100' and how they portrayed minorities and pulled the 'dead lesbian' stunt (a lesbian finally gets her love interest, killed off literally in the next scene or shortly afterwards), 'Riverdale' should take care and read up on 'The 100' backlash and criticisms.

(...Not like I will be watching it anyways. No thanks.)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on May 13, 2016, 06:11:14 PM
Quote from: invisifan on May 13, 2016, 03:17:28 PM
I'll be much more interested to know if Supergirl has been renewed — CBS hasn't announced it yet and won't for sure until the 18th (although even if they drop it it could move to the CW) ...

Supergirl has been renewed for Season 2, but the show is moving from CBS to the CW.  :smitten:
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/05/12/supergirl-flies-to-the-cw-for-season-2

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Vespa on May 14, 2016, 07:01:53 PM
I'm going to be cautionary optimistic about this show . 
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: daren on May 14, 2016, 09:05:40 PM
(https://www.archiefans.com/index.php?media/file/camilamendes.475/preview/)




My sole reason for watching this probable trainwreck.


(Well I also like the actors for Jason, Dilton, Coach Clayton and a few of the women, but I don't think I'd watch for just them. The first three aren't even going to be on much anyway unless Coach C has an affair with one of the moms...crap I can see it now  :P )
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on May 15, 2016, 02:51:13 AM
Quote from: daren on May 14, 2016, 09:05:40 PM
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My sole reason for watching this probable trainwreck.


(Well I also like the actors for Jason, Dilton, Coach Clayton and a few of the women, but I don't think I'd watch for just them. The first three aren't even going to be on much anyway unless Coach C has an affair with one of the moms...crap I can see it now  :P )

If I had to have a reason, it would probably be this.
(Cue soundtrack, as Archie sees Geraldine Grundy for the first time, walking down the halls of RHS (slo-mo medium shot as she slinks down the hall, students passing in BG, males stopping, turning heads; intercut with CU inserts of her face, legs, panning up to her breasts, hair flowing, shaking her head seductively), and David Lee Roth intones "I got it BAD, soooo bad... I'm Hot For Teacher!")
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce9hcY_UUAAjWng.jpg)

But I'm sure I can probably think up plenty of better excuses to look at beautiful women than rubbernecking at a train wreck.
That's like a totally Reggie move. "Oh my god, the humanity! It's a disaster!! Those poor, poor people!"
"Hey, no better place than a disaster scene to offer a comforting shoulder to all the hot chicks sure to be there!"
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on May 15, 2016, 05:57:50 AM
They still have to cast Mr. Lodge & Mr. Weatherbee & Jughead's parents & Ethel. I wonder if there be Harper?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: terrence12 on May 15, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
Quote from: Vespa on May 14, 2016, 07:01:53 PM
I'm going to be cautionary optimistic about this show .

you and me both




and you know what i agree with you riverdale series is going to be a failure because it isn't faithful to what the source material has comedy
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: daren on May 16, 2016, 03:23:32 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on May 15, 2016, 05:57:50 AM
They still have to cast Mr. Lodge & Mr. Weatherbee & Jughead's parents & Ethel. I wonder if there be Harper?


There might be since they want diversity and they're using other Dan Parent characters like the Kellers and Ginger.


Quote from: kassandralove on May 16, 2016, 02:35:31 AM
I was watching fast times last night and came to the realization that phoebe cates could of made a great Veronica
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Yeah if this was an '80s movie I cant think of anyone better.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on May 16, 2016, 07:25:46 AM
wILL WATCH AND DOWNLOAD, WITH SADNESS AND DESPAIR.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Mazz on May 19, 2016, 07:11:21 PM
Riverdale has been picked up. The next hurdle is to see how long it will last.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: irishmoxie on May 19, 2016, 08:11:32 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on May 16, 2016, 02:35:31 AM
I was watching fast times last night and came to the realization that phoebe cates could of made a great Veronica
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Yes her or the actress who played Ferris Buehler's girlfriend.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Mazz on May 19, 2016, 08:17:13 PM
Phoebe Cates looks pretty damn good for being over 50.

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Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on May 19, 2016, 08:59:54 PM
So, not only is Miss Grundy gonna be much younger and hotter but she is also now the music teacher?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Mazz on May 19, 2016, 09:08:19 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on May 19, 2016, 08:59:54 PM
So, not only is Miss Grundy gonna be much younger and hotter but she is also now the music teacher?
Just one of the many disappointing things about this upcoming show.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: daren on May 20, 2016, 03:00:46 AM
So it seems this is going to be a midseason premiere according to the Archie site.


I looked up 'midseason premiere' since I hardly watch tv and found out this means it'll debut early next year, I also found these comments:


Traditionally, having a series get picked up as a mid-season replacement isn't exactly a great show of confidence on behalf of a network. It's the easiest way to get involved with a new show while at the same time undertaking the least possible amount of risk.


As we all know, most American TV programs premiere in the Fall, and any show that isn't launched until the Spring is typically assumed to be a clunker. Most of these shows, deemed "midseason replacements", are intended to just be filler for a few months until the network is ready to roll out their next great series in the next Fall season.


The Midseason Replacement is typically a show network execs don't consider strong enough to premiere at the beginning of a season, but is held in reserve for a premiere later when time slots are needed to be filled after another show has gone belly-up. Since the midseason replacement is considered to be a weaker show than what the network was originally hoping for, expectations often aren't very high.


:P  I hadn't realized till I read this that a part of me was hoping the show would succeed, but I might as well stop hoping. So that if it does succeed it can be an incredible surprise!

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on May 20, 2016, 06:59:10 AM
At least it gives us something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Mazz on May 20, 2016, 09:55:47 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on May 20, 2016, 06:59:10 AM
At least it gives us something to look forward to.
I just can't get too excited over this show.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on May 20, 2016, 01:04:29 PM
You guys seen the official Riverdale trailer?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3NxIg3tuUo


I hate it.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on May 20, 2016, 01:06:35 PM
Why do they have to taint something that has been funny, and cute and wholesome for 75 years? Seriously leave it alone!! :tickedoff:

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Mazz on May 20, 2016, 01:08:41 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on May 20, 2016, 01:04:29 PM
You guys seen the official Riverdale trailer?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3NxIg3tuUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3NxIg3tuUo)


I hate it.
Definitely not the Riverdale I have read about for so long in the comics.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: CAPalace on May 20, 2016, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on May 20, 2016, 01:04:29 PM
You guys seen the official Riverdale trailer?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3NxIg3tuUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3NxIg3tuUo)


I hate it.

I was laughing. It was way over-the-top and it seemed more like one of those fake/spoof trailers from College Humor or Funny or Die would do. Maybe it seemed funny to me because I can't get the real Archie's face out of my head as this Riverdale Archie runs around taking off his shirt and making out with everyone all dramatically.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on May 20, 2016, 01:06:35 PM
Why do they have to taint something that has been funny, and cute and wholesome for 75 years? Seriously leave it alone!! :tickedoff:


JULY 2007 - "A Dynamic NEW LOOK!" debuts with BETTY AND VERONICA DOUBLE DIGEST #151 - "Bad Boy Trouble!"
SEPT 2010 - "The Married Life" sci-fi soap opera angst debuts in LIFE WITH ARCHIE Magazine #1
SEPT 2013 - "Escape From Riverdale" as the Zombie Apocalypse hits in AFTERLIFE WITH ARCHIE #1
JULY 2016 - "It's Not Your Father's (or Mother's, either) Archie" as the reset button gets hit in ARCHIE (2015) #1, replacing ARCHIE (1943) #666, the final issue.
JAN 2017 - "Twisted Archie Art Players" bend the classic characters like pretzels in RIVERDALE (the TV series).


Four giant steps AWAY from Classic Archie. Each bigger than the last. To spare your sensibilities any further, in between those "milestones of progress" I've omitted the depressing string of cancelled classic Archie titles. I only point this out to say that the ship of ACP left the safe harbor years ago and is now in the middle of the ocean, far from the shores of Archieland. Enjoy the final years of the digest reprints while they're still around.


Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: spazaru on May 20, 2016, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on May 20, 2016, 01:06:35 PM
Why do they have to taint something that has been funny, and cute and wholesome for 75 years? Seriously leave it alone!! :tickedoff:


JULY 2007 - "A Dynamic NEW LOOK!" debuts with BETTY AND VERONICA DOUBLE DIGEST #151 - "Bad Boy Trouble!"
SEPT 2010 - "The Married Life" sci-fi soap opera angst debuts in LIFE WITH ARCHIE Magazine #1
SEPT 2013 - "Escape From Riverdale" as the Zombie Apocalypse hits in AFTERLIFE WITH ARCHIE #1
JULY 2016 - "It's Not Your Father's (or Mother's, either) Archie" as the reset button gets hit in ARCHIE (2015) #1, replacing ARCHIE (1943) #666, the final issue.
JAN 2017 - "Twisted Archie Art Players" bend the classic characters like pretzels in RIVERDALE (the TV series).


Four giant steps AWAY from Classic Archie. Each bigger than the last. To spare your sensibilities any further, in between those "milestones of progress" I've omitted the depressing string of cancelled classic Archie titles. I only point this out to say that the ship of ACP left the safe harbor years ago and is now in the middle of the ocean, far from the shores of Archieland. Enjoy the final years of the digest reprints while they're still around.

I get why people are unhappy, but what would you have them do in the face of massively declining sales?  It remains to be seen if any of this will work (I'm skeptical), but "evolve or die" is basically the way things are now. 
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on May 20, 2016, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: spazaru on May 20, 2016, 03:42:44 PM
"evolve or die" is basically the way things are now.
"Evolve/change/grow" or stagnate & die — That's the way all aspects of life have always been — the question is whether any of these changes work as "evolution" ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 04:14:26 PM
Quote from: spazaru on May 20, 2016, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on May 20, 2016, 01:06:35 PM
Why do they have to taint something that has been funny, and cute and wholesome for 75 years? Seriously leave it alone!! :tickedoff:


JULY 2007 - "A Dynamic NEW LOOK!" debuts with BETTY AND VERONICA DOUBLE DIGEST #151 - "Bad Boy Trouble!"
SEPT 2010 - "The Married Life" sci-fi soap opera angst debuts in LIFE WITH ARCHIE Magazine #1
SEPT 2013 - "Escape From Riverdale" as the Zombie Apocalypse hits in AFTERLIFE WITH ARCHIE #1
JULY 2016 - "It's Not Your Father's (or Mother's, either) Archie" as the reset button gets hit in ARCHIE (2015) #1, replacing ARCHIE (1943) #666, the final issue.
JAN 2017 - "Twisted Archie Art Players" bend the classic characters like pretzels in RIVERDALE (the TV series).


Four giant steps AWAY from Classic Archie. Each bigger than the last. To spare your sensibilities any further, in between those "milestones of progress" I've omitted the depressing string of cancelled classic Archie titles. I only point this out to say that the ship of ACP left the safe harbor years ago and is now in the middle of the ocean, far from the shores of Archieland. Enjoy the final years of the digest reprints while they're still around.

I get why people are unhappy, but what would you have them do in the face of massively declining sales?  It remains to be seen if any of this will work (I'm skeptical), but "evolve or die" is basically the way things are now.


"Survival of the fittest" doesn't happen by evolving overnight. The way it's supposed to happen is that a long long long series of small changes over time gradually accumulates, resulting in a distant descendant who doesn't resemble its ancient ancestor, but who nevertheless adapted incrementally to their changing environment over time. When there is a drastic change in a single generation of offspring that don't resemble their parents at all, we call them "mutants". In this case, we really don't know if these Mutant Archies are "fittest" to survive, they're too new to tell whether they're well-adapted for survival. One thing's sure... they are different, that much is readily apparent.


For a comic book company, commerce is the only thing that's important. The continued ability to sell is the only survival trait. You can try to equate the situation to one of a Dylan Thomas-esque "Do not go gentle into that good night -- Rage, rage, against the dying of the light." But for those who are devoted to the essence or intangible qualities of the classic Archie stories, the characters do not live on in name alone. We would rather see a death with dignity, to die as one lived, preserving the once-appreciated qualities that are now rejected by a heartless universe. We would rather remember the Archie Comics we knew and loved than see it replaced by some pretender.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: spazaru on May 20, 2016, 05:18:36 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 04:14:26 PM
Quote from: spazaru on May 20, 2016, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on May 20, 2016, 01:06:35 PM
Why do they have to taint something that has been funny, and cute and wholesome for 75 years? Seriously leave it alone!! :tickedoff:


JULY 2007 - "A Dynamic NEW LOOK!" debuts with BETTY AND VERONICA DOUBLE DIGEST #151 - "Bad Boy Trouble!"
SEPT 2010 - "The Married Life" sci-fi soap opera angst debuts in LIFE WITH ARCHIE Magazine #1
SEPT 2013 - "Escape From Riverdale" as the Zombie Apocalypse hits in AFTERLIFE WITH ARCHIE #1
JULY 2016 - "It's Not Your Father's (or Mother's, either) Archie" as the reset button gets hit in ARCHIE (2015) #1, replacing ARCHIE (1943) #666, the final issue.
JAN 2017 - "Twisted Archie Art Players" bend the classic characters like pretzels in RIVERDALE (the TV series).


Four giant steps AWAY from Classic Archie. Each bigger than the last. To spare your sensibilities any further, in between those "milestones of progress" I've omitted the depressing string of cancelled classic Archie titles. I only point this out to say that the ship of ACP left the safe harbor years ago and is now in the middle of the ocean, far from the shores of Archieland. Enjoy the final years of the digest reprints while they're still around.

I get why people are unhappy, but what would you have them do in the face of massively declining sales?  It remains to be seen if any of this will work (I'm skeptical), but "evolve or die" is basically the way things are now.


"Survival of the fittest" doesn't happen by evolving overnight. The way it's supposed to happen is that a long long long series of small changes over time gradually accumulates, resulting in a distant descendant who doesn't resemble its ancient ancestor, but who nevertheless adapted incrementally to their changing environment over time. When there is a drastic change in a single generation of offspring that don't resemble their parents at all, we call them "mutants". In this case, we really don't know if these Mutant Archies are "fittest" to survive, they're too new to tell whether they're well-adapted for survival. One thing's sure... they are different, that much is readily apparent.


For a comic book company, commerce is the only thing that's important. The continued ability to sell is the only survival trait. You can try to equate the situation to one of a Dylan Thomas-esque "Do not go gentle into that good night -- Rage, rage, against the dying of the light." But for those who are devoted to the essence or intangible qualities of the classic Archie stories, the characters do not live on in name alone. We would rather see a death with dignity, to die as one lived, preserving the once-appreciated qualities that are now rejected by a heartless universe. We would rather remember the Archie Comics we knew and loved than see it replaced by some pretender.

I get that and am inclined to agree.  WE would rather see that.  Archie Comics is trying to survive as a business.  The way we liked it wasn't working.  I wish it was.  I could have gone on forever that way, but in a way I also can accept change.  My favorite band's new album doesn't sound anything like the first one that came out in 1994.  I loved the first one and it was why I started liking the band in the first place.  However, things change.  I'm willing to give them a chance to try new things and see if I like them.  Same thing I'm doing with Archie.  I get that you don't like what they're doing; I have mixed feelings so far but more positive than negative.  Either way, I totally understand their decision.  3-4000 copies a month wasn't getting it.  The sales on the new titles are headed down too.  If they get much lower, I suspect they'll try something else.  I doubt it will be to go back to the classic style, though.  They already saw what happened with that. 
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: spazaru on May 20, 2016, 05:18:36 PM
I get that and am inclined to agree.  WE would rather see that.  Archie Comics is trying to survive as a business.  The way we liked it wasn't working.  I wish it was.  I could have gone on forever that way, but in a way I also can accept change.


It is not my job to insure the survival of Archie Comics. It is their job as a publisher to deliver a product that I can be excited about and love, and in exchange I shower them with the manna of my consumer dollars, by which they receive their sustenance. If they are not servicing me with the type of product I want, I don't owe them anything. Every single individual consumer has that choice to make on his or her own. I don't have to fall into any lines or get with any programs. I have the freedom of choice to reject what is offered if it's not agreeable to me, with no strings attached. If they continue to fail to service me as an individual, then we will have to further grow apart and will eventually come to a parting of the ways. For Archie Comics' sake for their own survival, I hope they guess right, but on the other hand, maybe Archie Comics' survival as a publisher is not in MY own best interests. Maybe it would be better if ACP died the real death that eventually happens to most comic book publishers, because it's been proven time and again that characters can outlast publishers. Maybe I improve my chances as a consumer if IDW or some other publisher picks up the ball. That's up to ACP. Depending on what decisions they decide to commit to, I will react favorably or negatively. What I will NOT do is mollycoddle them like a venerated but enfeebled grandparent.


So there seems to be a fundamental disconnect here between us. I am not here to service Archie Comics, they are here to service me. It is the same deal for EACH individual consumer, so each gets to make that choice. We don't have go along with the will of the majority for the good of the publisher.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: spazaru on May 20, 2016, 06:19:13 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: spazaru on May 20, 2016, 05:18:36 PM
I get that and am inclined to agree.  WE would rather see that.  Archie Comics is trying to survive as a business.  The way we liked it wasn't working.  I wish it was.  I could have gone on forever that way, but in a way I also can accept change.


It is not my job to insure the survival of Archie Comics. It is their job as a publisher to deliver a product that I can be excited about and love, and in exchange I shower them with the manna of my consumer dollars, by which they receive their sustenance. If they are not servicing me with the type of product I want, I don't owe them anything. Every single individual consumer has that choice to make on his or her own. I don't have to fall into any lines or get with any programs. I have the freedom of choice to reject what is offered if it's not agreeable to me, with no strings attached. If they continue to fail to service me as an individual, then we will have to further grow apart and will eventually come to a parting of the ways. For Archie Comics' sake for their own survival, I hope they guess right, but on the other hand, maybe Archie Comics' survival as a publisher is not in MY own best interests. Maybe it would be better if ACP died the real death that eventually happens to most comic book publishers, because it's been proven time and again that characters can outlast publishers. Maybe I improve my chances as a consumer if IDW or some other publisher picks up the ball. That's up to ACP. Depending on what decisions they decide to commit to, I will react favorably or negatively. What I will NOT do is mollycoddle them like a venerated but enfeebled grandparent.


So there seems to be a fundamental disconnect here between us. I am not here to service Archie Comics, they are here to service me. It is the same deal for EACH individual consumer, so each gets to make that choice. We don't have go along with the will of the majority for the good of the publisher.

And I never suggested otherwise.  Just saying I'm keeping an open mind. 
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Mazz on May 20, 2016, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: spazaru on May 20, 2016, 06:19:13 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: spazaru on May 20, 2016, 05:18:36 PM
I get that and am inclined to agree.  WE would rather see that.  Archie Comics is trying to survive as a business.  The way we liked it wasn't working.  I wish it was.  I could have gone on forever that way, but in a way I also can accept change.


It is not my job to insure the survival of Archie Comics. It is their job as a publisher to deliver a product that I can be excited about and love, and in exchange I shower them with the manna of my consumer dollars, by which they receive their sustenance. If they are not servicing me with the type of product I want, I don't owe them anything. Every single individual consumer has that choice to make on his or her own. I don't have to fall into any lines or get with any programs. I have the freedom of choice to reject what is offered if it's not agreeable to me, with no strings attached. If they continue to fail to service me as an individual, then we will have to further grow apart and will eventually come to a parting of the ways. For Archie Comics' sake for their own survival, I hope they guess right, but on the other hand, maybe Archie Comics' survival as a publisher is not in MY own best interests. Maybe it would be better if ACP died the real death that eventually happens to most comic book publishers, because it's been proven time and again that characters can outlast publishers. Maybe I improve my chances as a consumer if IDW or some other publisher picks up the ball. That's up to ACP. Depending on what decisions they decide to commit to, I will react favorably or negatively. What I will NOT do is mollycoddle them like a venerated but enfeebled grandparent.


So there seems to be a fundamental disconnect here between us. I am not here to service Archie Comics, they are here to service me. It is the same deal for EACH individual consumer, so each gets to make that choice. We don't have go along with the will of the majority for the good of the publisher.

And I never suggested otherwise.  Just saying I'm keeping an open mind.
My mind will be wide open to change the channel once I watch the first 30 minutes of it. :)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on May 21, 2016, 01:01:12 AM
Quote from: spazaru on May 20, 2016, 06:19:13 PM
And I never suggested otherwise.  Just saying I'm keeping an open mind.

Here's the thing, spazaru. You have already made ONE fundamental choice that puts the two of us in very dissimilar positions. You made the choice (which I do not criticize -- you have your own reasons, for which I don't pretend to judge the validity) to read ONLY Archie Comics. That more or less puts you in position where it's ACP or nothing. So for you, ACP is merely competing against ACP... the ACP of the past versus the one of the present. That limits you to three options: (1) You can buy the new products they offer, or (2) decide not to buy them, or (3) spend your money on some old ACP back issues. I guess maybe a fourth would be to buy Archie Comics reprints offered by other publishers like IDW and Dark Horse. But that's the entire playing field for you, your entire list of options. It simplifies your choice of what to do with your disposable income as a consumer of comic books.

I have all those options, plus the vast array of options to buy products from other publishers products that have nothing to do with Archie. With every choice, I need to reevaluate what I'm getting the most entertainment value from. To the extent that there is a void in a certain type of product like classic style teen humor comics, other publishers will try to fill that need to some extent - already we see a small bit of that with products from Sitcomics, AstroComix, and Pixie Trix. Publishers of classic Archie reprints like IDW and Dark Horse can be included in that group. That's a small list of products to siphon off my disposable income, but it doesn't include decades worth of back issues of actual Archie Comics that were published that I could be spending my money on instead of the current product ACP offers.

All of those together are merely a tiny fraction of the much larger number of current consumer products for comic books. I have to judge every $4 I could potentially spend on an issue of Archie, Jughead, Betty and Veronica, Afterlife With Archie, Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, any of the Dark Circle titles or any of the Archie Action titles against every other product being offered by every other publisher. Since there is a finite limit to my time and money, only the comics that I judge to be the most entertaining return on my comic dollar will make the cut. The list of comics I'm buying needs to be constantly reassessed, culled and weeded, so that only the things I enjoy most remain. There's no room in there for comics that fall in the categories of "Well, since it's the only thing they're offering, I guess it's better than nothing" or "I guess it's not completely terrible; it still has some good points". The comic book marketplace is extremely competitive, so it forces me to be close-minded to things that I'm not enjoying unreservedly. The nature of titles that come and go constantly, and changing content and creative teams will never allow any stability, so to the extent that things are new, I allow some leeway for a "trial run", but I can't allow that for everything. I can't read everything published by every publisher for 6 issues before giving it the thumbs-down and the heave-ho from my reading list, and I can't even do that for ONE publisher like ACP. They're fractional in the spectrum of available choices in reading material that's out there. That's why I gave up on the rebooted ARCHIE after only 2 issues - I could already see that it wasn't doing anything for me. I've been reading comics long enough that I can articulate exactly what I enjoy, and have a finely honed personal aesthetic sense for what I like and what I don't, and WHY. My sensibilities are eclectic and and diverse, but also narrowly defined by that same aesthetic. I like BATMAN, but ONLY certain types of Batman. I like ARCHIE, but ONLY certain types of Archie. Same goes for Superman and Spider-Man, horror comics, war comics, western comics, alternative comix, and every other character and genre right on down the line. If you're ONLY picking and choosing comics from ACP (present and past), you've already closed your mind to those other competing publishers, characters and genres and narrowed your list of possible choices down to a very limited number. That's just comic books. Movies and TV shows are subject by me to even harsher standards because the time or money spent on them is competing with the limited time and money I have to devote to comics as well. Even more so than comics, there's where I need to make gut decisions based on what I read or hear about them, before I even see them.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on May 21, 2016, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on May 20, 2016, 01:06:35 PM
Why do they have to taint something that has been funny, and cute and wholesome for 75 years? Seriously leave it alone!! :tickedoff:


JULY 2007 - "A Dynamic NEW LOOK!" debuts with BETTY AND VERONICA DOUBLE DIGEST #151 - "Bad Boy Trouble!"
.....


I was thinking about this the other day. What was the difference between the "Bad Boy Trouble" and this new Archie reboot? Why didn't they stick to that new look back then? Why just now?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on May 21, 2016, 01:14:13 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on May 21, 2016, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on May 20, 2016, 01:06:35 PM
Why do they have to taint something that has been funny, and cute and wholesome for 75 years? Seriously leave it alone!! :tickedoff:


JULY 2007 - "A Dynamic NEW LOOK!" debuts with BETTY AND VERONICA DOUBLE DIGEST #151 - "Bad Boy Trouble!"
.....

I was thinking about this the other day. What was the difference between the "Bad Boy Trouble" and this new Archie reboot? Why didn't they stick to that new look back then? Why just now?


Note that the New Look unfolded entirely in the pages of Archie digests. It was aimed at only a slightly higher age bracket than traditional digests (which should be apparent from the writing if you've read them).  At the time, ACP was dipping a measly pinky toe into chilly waters, unwilling to unwaveringly take the plunge into the pool. No willful commitment and even less marketing savvy on that one. There was a brief "slow news day" kerplunk in the general media consciousness, which then quickly lost interest, along with the digest readers.


Now at least they have a solid idea of the market they're trying to aim for (not the digest readers of a couple of years ago), but I still think their vision is a little too blurry to possibly hit the target. This time they had to be thrown into the deep water by sheer desperation.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on May 21, 2016, 08:31:15 PM
Quote from: daren on May 20, 2016, 03:00:46 AM
So it seems this is going to be a midseason premiere according to the Archie site.


I looked up 'midseason premiere' since I hardly watch tv and found out this means it'll debut early next year, I also found these comments:


Traditionally, having a series get picked up as a mid-season replacement isn't exactly a great show of confidence on behalf of a network. It's the easiest way to get involved with a new show while at the same time undertaking the least possible amount of risk.


As we all know, most American TV programs premiere in the Fall, and any show that isn't launched until the Spring is typically assumed to be a clunker. Most of these shows, deemed "midseason replacements", are intended to just be filler for a few months until the network is ready to roll out their next great series in the next Fall season.


The Midseason Replacement is typically a show network execs don't consider strong enough to premiere at the beginning of a season, but is held in reserve for a premiere later when time slots are needed to be filled after another show has gone belly-up. Since the midseason replacement is considered to be a weaker show than what the network was originally hoping for, expectations often aren't very high.


:P  I hadn't realized till I read this that a part of me was hoping the show would succeed, but I might as well stop hoping. So that if it does succeed it can be an incredible surprise!

"Every once in a while, however, one of these shows may not only hold its ground, but thrive. Some are not just successful - they're major hits that stand the test of time and make television history."  :P

9. Buffy The Vampire Slayer (7 seasons)
2. The Simpsons (27 seasons)

10 Amazing TV Shows That Began As Mid-Season Replacements:
http://whatculture.com/tv/10-amazing-tv-shows-that-began-as-mid-season-replacements
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on May 21, 2016, 09:19:01 PM
Very cute couple!
Madelaine Petsch(Cheryl Blossom) with Aaron Carter(singer):

2014
"Complementary couple: Aaron Carter and model/dancer girlfriend Madelaine Petsch donned matching black, with the redhead flashing her porcelain pins while her beau added some flair to his outfit in the form of funky zebra-print slip-on shoes"
(https://www.archiefans.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2014%2F04%2F17%2Farticle-2606646-1D2759B600000578-936_634x961.jpg&hash=6e5c32346963c38ab6b841e22b31ce27eefc2656)

2016
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjARyQGUkAEl1L9.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on May 22, 2016, 07:07:02 PM
And what the heck is Twin Peaks? I keep reading it's similar to that one. Is it any good? People seem excited once they hear the Peaks relation  ???
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: daren on May 23, 2016, 04:15:32 AM

Quote from: nuageo on May 21, 2016, 08:31:15 PM
Quote from: daren on May 20, 2016, 03:00:46 AM
So it seems this is going to be a midseason premiere according to the Archie site.


I looked up 'midseason premiere' since I hardly watch tv and found out this means it'll debut early next year, I also found these comments:


Traditionally, having a series get picked up as a mid-season replacement isn't exactly a great show of confidence on behalf of a network. It's the easiest way to get involved with a new show while at the same time undertaking the least possible amount of risk.


As we all know, most American TV programs premiere in the Fall, and any show that isn't launched until the Spring is typically assumed to be a clunker. Most of these shows, deemed "midseason replacements", are intended to just be filler for a few months until the network is ready to roll out their next great series in the next Fall season.


The Midseason Replacement is typically a show network execs don't consider strong enough to premiere at the beginning of a season, but is held in reserve for a premiere later when time slots are needed to be filled after another show has gone belly-up. Since the midseason replacement is considered to be a weaker show than what the network was originally hoping for, expectations often aren't very high.


:P  I hadn't realized till I read this that a part of me was hoping the show would succeed, but I might as well stop hoping. So that if it does succeed it can be an incredible surprise!

"Every once in a while, however, one of these shows may not only hold its ground, but thrive. Some are not just successful - they're major hits that stand the test of time and make television history."  :P

9. Buffy The Vampire Slayer (7 seasons)
2. The Simpsons (27 seasons)

10 Amazing TV Shows That Began As Mid-Season Replacements:
http://whatculture.com/tv/10-amazing-tv-shows-that-began-as-mid-season-replacements (http://whatculture.com/tv/10-amazing-tv-shows-that-began-as-mid-season-replacements)

Hey I admire your looking at the bright side but ten examples out of the hundreds (if not more) of midseason replacements that ever were, there are a few more but not many, we're hoping for a blue moon here. And two shows on that list are animated, they probably don't count because according to one of the sites I quoted delaying animated shows is routine due to production. Like I said a part of me would be happy if Riverdale succeeded but...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on June 17, 2016, 09:27:54 PM
It's almost the same!  8)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClMO35wUYAAA6Fm.jpg)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on June 22, 2016, 08:20:22 PM
Not only Riverdale has 13 episodes on CW this year or next year...  ???

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClkBt3qWgAAG6X6.jpg)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Midge Klump on June 22, 2016, 10:35:09 PM
This is my 2 cents on this show. They can call it Riverdale and give the characters the names of the comic book characters, but from what I have seen and read what this show is going to be about is stuff that never happened in the Comic World of Riverdale and the characters in the Comic Books.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on June 22, 2016, 11:29:01 PM
I had already forgotten about this show. It wasn't until I saw this thread on recent topics that I remembered it  >:(
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Midge Klump on June 23, 2016, 07:39:06 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on June 22, 2016, 11:29:01 PM
I had already forgotten about this show. It wasn't until I saw this thread on recent topics that I remembered it  >:(
If you were planning on tuning in to watch something that may resemble Archie Comics you might have been totally lost with this show. The only thing this show is going to attract is young teens you like shows like Twin Peaks and Pretty Little Liars and others like that. The die hard Archie fans may tune in to see what it is all about a quickly get tired or even disgusted with the whole thing.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on June 23, 2016, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: Midge Klump on June 23, 2016, 07:39:06 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on June 22, 2016, 11:29:01 PM
I had already forgotten about this show. It wasn't until I saw this thread on recent topics that I remembered it  >:(
If you were planning on tuning in to watch something that may resemble Archie Comics you might have been totally lost with this show. The only thing this show is going to attract is young teens you like shows like Twin Peaks and Pretty Little Liars and others like that. The die hard Archie fans may tune in to see what it is all about a quickly get tired or even disgusted with the whole thing.


Ugh, I know. I've been against it from the beginning. Unfortunately, I am sure many people will love it and will actually prefer it this way. Just like it happened with the comic reboot, too.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Midge Klump on June 23, 2016, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on June 23, 2016, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: Midge Klump on June 23, 2016, 07:39:06 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on June 22, 2016, 11:29:01 PM
I had already forgotten about this show. It wasn't until I saw this thread on recent topics that I remembered it  >:(
If you were planning on tuning in to watch something that may resemble Archie Comics you might have been totally lost with this show. The only thing this show is going to attract is young teens you like shows like Twin Peaks and Pretty Little Liars and others like that. The die hard Archie fans may tune in to see what it is all about a quickly get tired or even disgusted with the whole thing.


Ugh, I know. I've been against it from the beginning. Unfortunately, I am sure many people will love it and will actually prefer it this way. Just like it happened with the comic reboot, too.
The way I look at it is if people do like it and also the same goes for the rebooted series is sooner or later it will die down. Who would have thought that Classic Archie Sales in the floppies would have slipped so significantly over the years leading to the killing of Archie Andrews and icon in comic book history. I know I didn't see that coming. I see the CW show lasting maybe a few seasons if it is extremely lucky and the rebooted series will be done before the year 2020. Guaranteed.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on June 24, 2016, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: Midge Klump on June 23, 2016, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on June 23, 2016, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: Midge Klump on June 23, 2016, 07:39:06 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on June 22, 2016, 11:29:01 PM
I had already forgotten about this show. It wasn't until I saw this thread on recent topics that I remembered it  >:(
If you were planning on tuning in to watch something that may resemble Archie Comics you might have been totally lost with this show. The only thing this show is going to attract is young teens you like shows like Twin Peaks and Pretty Little Liars and others like that. The die hard Archie fans may tune in to see what it is all about a quickly get tired or even disgusted with the whole thing.


Ugh, I know. I've been against it from the beginning. Unfortunately, I am sure many people will love it and will actually prefer it this way. Just like it happened with the comic reboot, too.
The way I look at it is if people do like it and also the same goes for the rebooted series is sooner or later it will die down. Who would have thought that Classic Archie Sales in the floppies would have slipped so significantly over the years leading to the killing of Archie Andrews and icon in comic book history. I know I didn't see that coming. I see the CW show lasting maybe a few seasons if it is extremely lucky and the rebooted series will be done before the year 2020. Guaranteed.


Hopefully it'll be sooner rather than later  ;)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Midge Klump on June 24, 2016, 08:58:35 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on June 24, 2016, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: Midge Klump on June 23, 2016, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on June 23, 2016, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: Midge Klump on June 23, 2016, 07:39:06 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on June 22, 2016, 11:29:01 PM
I had already forgotten about this show. It wasn't until I saw this thread on recent topics that I remembered it  >:(
If you were planning on tuning in to watch something that may resemble Archie Comics you might have been totally lost with this show. The only thing this show is going to attract is young teens you like shows like Twin Peaks and Pretty Little Liars and others like that. The die hard Archie fans may tune in to see what it is all about a quickly get tired or even disgusted with the whole thing.


Ugh, I know. I've been against it from the beginning. Unfortunately, I am sure many people will love it and will actually prefer it this way. Just like it happened with the comic reboot, too.
The way I look at it is if people do like it and also the same goes for the rebooted series is sooner or later it will die down. Who would have thought that Classic Archie Sales in the floppies would have slipped so significantly over the years leading to the killing of Archie Andrews and icon in comic book history. I know I didn't see that coming. I see the CW show lasting maybe a few seasons if it is extremely lucky and the rebooted series will be done before the year 2020. Guaranteed.


Hopefully it'll be sooner rather than later  ;)
If it goes the way of most of these other Teen Dramas it won't last long at all. There are only a few Teen Dramas that have stuck around lately and one of them has a vampire theme to it.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on July 19, 2016, 01:37:35 PM



Riverdale TV show (that will not be a hit and will get cancelled soon  ;D *crosses fingers*) poster by Francesco Francavilla

(https://www.archiefans.com/index.php?media/file/riverdaletvshow-poster.850/preview/)


The guy below Betty, who is he supposed to be?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on July 19, 2016, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on July 19, 2016, 01:37:35 PM



Riverdale TV show (that will not be a hit and will get cancelled soon  ;D *crosses fingers*) poster by Francesco Francavilla

(https://www.archiefans.com/index.php?media/file/riverdaletvshow-poster.850/preview/)


The guy below Betty, who is he supposed to be?
Off-hand I'd guess Kevin ?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on July 19, 2016, 05:49:09 PM
^ Oh, yeah. That's right. He won't be a blond, though? That's weird.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: invisifan on July 19, 2016, 07:15:35 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on July 19, 2016, 05:49:09 PM
^ Oh, yeah. That's right. He won't be a blond, though? That's weird.
Ah well, that is Josie next to him, right?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on July 19, 2016, 08:49:01 PM
Quote from: invisifan on July 19, 2016, 07:15:35 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on July 19, 2016, 05:49:09 PM
^ Oh, yeah. That's right. He won't be a blond, though? That's weird.
Ah well, that is Josie next to him, right?


Yeah, that's Josie. And they forgot to include Reggie, as usual  ::)  Instead of drawing Luke Perry it should have been Asian Reggie.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on July 23, 2016, 11:09:40 PM
This made me LOL  ;D


(https://www.archiefans.com/index.php?media/file/archie-and-miss-grundy.857/preview/)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on July 24, 2016, 05:44:37 AM
Poor Ms. Gundy she is no chest. She's flat as a board.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: SAGG on July 24, 2016, 05:48:43 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on July 23, 2016, 11:09:40 PM
This made me LOL  ;D


(https://www.archiefans.com/index.php?media/file/archie-and-miss-grundy.857/preview/)
If I hadn't seen the two in the same panels all these years, I'd think Jughead was in drag as Miss Grundy. :2funny: Are we sure they're not related down the line? :2funny:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on July 24, 2016, 06:15:32 AM
Comic-Con: The CW's 'Riverdale' Promises to Solve Murder Mystery in First Season
QuoteThe good news for those viewers who traditionally grow frustrated over murder solving being dragged out is that "Riverdale" will not follow that path. "We will solve the mystery this season to make sure that loyal viewers get rewarded," promised Schechter.

Archie actor K.J. Apa confirms at SDCC that Sabrina the Teenage Witch will be coming to CW's Riverdale series.
Quote"Sabrina, I don't know if you're familiar with Sabrina from the comics, she's going to come," Apa said. "Yeah, she comes in our last episode."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn5YLcPVUAE03bW.jpg:large)

(https://www.archiefans.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ksitetv.com%2Fwp-content%2Fgallery%2FRiverdale-SDCC%2F13738102_10154481194813777_32945674790766828_o.jpg&hash=df11ed6ca0d5f35054d9c618724e55e1f232c5e0)

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Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: terrence12 on July 25, 2016, 12:53:48 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on July 19, 2016, 01:37:35 PM
Riverdale TV show that will not be a hit and will get cancelled soon  ;D *crosses fingers*


Same here,chum  ;)


Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie
Oh, yeah. That's right. He won't be a blond, though? That's weird.


Actually i think it's reggie.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on July 29, 2016, 08:54:22 PM

This one is even better! Oh my gosh, LOL  :2funny:  Fernando Ruiz is the best!

(https://www.archiefans.com/index.php?media/file/archieandsexymissgrundy.860/preview/)



Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on July 29, 2016, 08:55:44 PM
Quote from: SAGG on July 24, 2016, 05:48:43 AM
If I hadn't seen the two in the same panels all these years, I'd think Jughead was in drag as Miss Grundy. :2funny: Are we sure they're not related down the line? :2funny:


haha  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on July 29, 2016, 09:00:00 PM
Quote from: terrence12 on July 25, 2016, 12:53:48 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on July 19, 2016, 01:37:35 PM
Riverdale TV show that will not be a hit and will get cancelled soon  ;D *crosses fingers*


Same here,chum  ;)


Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on July 19, 2016, 05:49:09 PM ^ Oh, yeah. That's right. He won't be a blond, though? That's weird. 



Actually i think it's reggie.

That's what I thought too but then I remembered Reggie is gonna be Asian, so it can't be him.



Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on July 29, 2016, 11:01:03 PM
I was shocked to see another picture of Ms. Gundy & Archie getting intimate. Oh boy . What if the show showed either Betty or Veronica with Mr. Weatherbee. And they were romantically involved? I'm surprised no artist ever drew that as a commission.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on July 30, 2016, 07:39:39 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on July 29, 2016, 11:01:03 PM
I was shocked to see another picture of Ms. Gundy & Archie getting intimate. Oh boy . What if the show showed either Betty or Veronica with Mr. Weatherbee. And they were romantically involved? I'm surprised no artist ever drew that as a commission.

Well, I take it you've never bing'd "Betty And Veronica Porn"?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: chancebond on July 30, 2016, 07:46:03 AM
Ya'Know, This might be an unpopular opinion, but I can actually see "Riverdale" lasting as long as GoT has...  Perhaps... it would spawn even new interest into Archie Comics, and they would make more titles.  I'd get behind something like that.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on July 30, 2016, 11:16:09 AM
Quote from: The Downloader on July 30, 2016, 07:46:03 AM
Ya'Know, This might be an unpopular opinion, but I can actually see "Riverdale" lasting as long as GoT has...  Perhaps... it would spawn even new interest into Archie Comics, and they would make more titles.  I'd get behind something like that.

Well, if you just bing'd "Betty and Veronica porn" you could see Mr. Weatherbee "get behind something like that".  :crazy2:

Making more titles sounds good, but making more titles like RIVERDALE sounds bad.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: steveinthecity on August 02, 2016, 11:20:56 PM
Quote from: The Downloader on July 30, 2016, 07:39:39 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on July 29, 2016, 11:01:03 PM
I was shocked to see another picture of Ms. Gundy & Archie getting intimate. Oh boy . What if the show showed either Betty or Veronica with Mr. Weatherbee. And they were romantically involved? I'm surprised no artist ever drew that as a commission.

Well, I take it you've never bing'd "Betty And Veronica Porn"?
You reminded me of B-ko(Biollante) and the fantastic photoshopped Archie covers that had been posted here over the years.  I miss those.  :(
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: nuageo on August 04, 2016, 07:16:55 PM
Archie is in love with young Miss Grundy in Riverdale TV Series and
Reggie is in love with young Miss Grundy in Archie's Weird Mysteries...  :smitten:  ;D

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpDQpFRXEAAL3sj.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpDPJCCWcAAgDx_.jpg)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on August 04, 2016, 08:17:31 PM
^ The difference is Reggie wasn't actually having sex with her.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on November 16, 2016, 06:41:01 PM
So this thing is gonna debut on January 26th, 2017  (Thursday) at 9 pm


>:( >:(
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: grubhead on December 25, 2016, 08:40:11 PM
Just watched the extended trailer. What do you think?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: terrence12 on December 27, 2016, 06:02:27 AM
This series is not the archie that we read from the series for many years (the main ones that is)  >:(
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on December 27, 2016, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: grubhead on December 25, 2016, 08:40:11 PM
Just watched the extended trailer. What do you think?


Disgusting.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: terrence12 on December 27, 2016, 09:54:27 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on December 27, 2016, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: grubhead on December 25, 2016, 08:40:11 PM
Just watched the extended trailer. What do you think?


Disgusting.


I agree with you
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Upsiditus on January 03, 2017, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on May 12, 2016, 10:59:09 PM
I hope it's on Friday night. There's nothing on tv on Friday night.


  I hope so too.  Friday is the Jewish Sabbath and thus I will be unable to watch this atrocity. 
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 03, 2017, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: Upsiditus on January 03, 2017, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on May 12, 2016, 10:59:09 PM
I hope it's on Friday night. There's nothing on tv on Friday night.


  I hope so too.  Friday is the Jewish Sabbath and thus I will be unable to watch this atrocity. 

It sounds to me like this show would be decidedly non-kosher, which would mean you shouldn't watch it no matter when it airs.  ;)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on January 04, 2017, 06:22:23 AM
It's going be on Thursday January 26th at 9 on Channel 11.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: irishmoxie on January 04, 2017, 06:19:02 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 03, 2017, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: Upsiditus on January 03, 2017, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on May 12, 2016, 10:59:09 PM
I hope it's on Friday night. There's nothing on tv on Friday night.


  I hope so too.  Friday is the Jewish Sabbath and thus I will be unable to watch this atrocity. 

It sounds to me like this show would be decidedly non-kosher, which would mean you shouldn't watch it no matter when it airs.  ;)


Putting a show on Friday nights is usually the kiss of death. It would for sure be canceled then.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Upsiditus on January 04, 2017, 09:22:40 PM
   If Archie Comics wants to start a new comic book series called "Riverdale" and put characters in situations based on the new TV show, that's okay, but to do such things in the pre-existing comics is totally unacceptable. 
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 05, 2017, 12:24:46 AM
I'm just waiting to see what happens after the program finally airs. Advertising for RIVERDALE is pretty heavy in the current issues of the digest titles, and I know that they have these pages in the digests where they can rarely sell them to paid advertisers (and it's hard to say whether CW is actually paying ACP to promote a show based on its own comics), but...  from the sounds of it, RIVERDALE does not seem like a television program whose content would constitute what most parents of 8-12 year-olds (assuming that they still form the majority of digest readers) would consider 'appropriate viewing' for pre-teens.

Which makes me wonder if there might be a backlash of complaints after the parents of those 8-12 year olds see what's in the show.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: apple on January 06, 2017, 06:52:35 PM
I'm excited for this! I think it'll be a pretty good drama! I'm a sucker for murder mystery stories. Plus the retro neon aesthetic of the promotional pictures looks super nice compared to most gritty
shows that try to go for a colorless and desaturated look.

The casting seems spot on imo! I absolutely love the pick for everyone! Ross Butler as Reggie is so great! I've talked to Ross before and he's such a sweet guy! I'm kinda disapointed it's looking like Reggie won't have a very big role in Riverdale which is unfortunate... Camila as Veronica is also amazing! She is the perfect Ronnie! I'm so ready for her and Betty's relationship! I already ship them so hard! I hope they are endgame... All the actors are so cute! I can't imagine a better casting! I love that it's so diverse! It's going to be filled with such great representation!


I'm also glad their going more for a dark humored drama rather than a straight up sitcom or something. I don't think a comedy would work very well. Most of the jokes that work in comic form
would fall very flat and most teenagers aren't really that interested in that kind of comedy anymore anyway.


:smitten:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: irishmoxie on January 06, 2017, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: apple on January 06, 2017, 06:52:35 PM
I'm excited for this! I think it'll be a pretty good drama! I'm a sucker for murder mystery stories. Plus the retro neon aesthetic of the promotional pictures looks super nice compared to most gritty
shows that try to go for a colorless and desaturated look.

The casting seems spot on imo! I absolutely love the pick for everyone! Ross Butler as Reggie is so great! I've talked to Ross before and he's such a sweet guy! I'm kinda disapointed it's looking like Reggie won't have a very big role in Riverdale which is unfortunate... Camila as Veronica is also amazing! She is the perfect Ronnie! I'm so ready for her and Betty's relationship! I already ship them so hard! I hope they are endgame... All the actors are so cute! I can't imagine a better casting! I love that it's so diverse! It's going to be filled with such great representation!


I'm also glad their going more for a dark humored drama rather than a straight up sitcom or something. I don't think a comedy would work very well. Most of the jokes that work in comic form
would fall very flat and most teenagers aren't really that interested in that kind of comedy anymore anyway.


:smitten:


Are you a plant from ACP?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: apple on January 06, 2017, 08:49:04 PM
Quote
Are you a plant from ACP?
Do you mean Archie Comics? No, I don't think they'd hire me at all! I don't think they'd like me very much. I was trying to get them to give me a copy of an unaired Archie cartoon back from 2013 (I looooooveeee the Archie cartoons!) and they threatened to turn off their DMs  :'( 


That would be really cool, though!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 06, 2017, 08:56:20 PM
Quote from: apple on January 06, 2017, 06:52:35 PM

The casting seems spot on imo!


:2funny: ::)


-------------------


I still stand by what I said a long while ago. I hope it gets cancelled soon. But since people nowadays love awful TV I imagine it could sadly last a while.  :tickedoff:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: apple on January 06, 2017, 09:12:15 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 06, 2017, 08:56:20 PM
Quote from: apple on January 06, 2017, 06:52:35 PM

The casting seems spot on imo!


:2funny: ::)


-------------------


I still stand by what I said a long while ago. I hope it gets cancelled soon. But since people nowadays love awful TV I imagine it could sadly last a while.  :tickedoff:
:0 why?? What was wrong with who they picked?


Why do you want it to get cancelled? We haven't seen it yet but I think it looks really good!!


I read the leaked script too and I really liked it! Not as dark as I was expecting but that's okay! I like the humor they threw into it, to! I laughed a lot when Reggie said Archie got "hella swole". It may seem silly but I like Reggie's over-the-top characterization of a modern teen. I'm hoping they will have more stuff like that. I think it could potentially be really clever and funny. Although I will say, I cannot believe they honestly are going to play Mad World. It's the ultimate meme song. It can't be used seriously anymore. I also dislike how stereotypically gay they made Kevin. It's like his only personality trait is 'gay'. That's a big pet peeve of mine I hope they changed it up a bit from the leak.


Of course, we won't know for sure until we see it but I'm pretty excited for it!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: spatzi on January 06, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
Honestly, I really hope Riverdale can breath new life into the fan communities. Or at least spark people's old interest in Archie Comics. Kids I talk to always remember reading Archie Comics, but y'know it isn't a obsession like it has become for me by now  :buck2:


I really appreciate what Archie Comics has done recently in terms of representation. And I hope they do more going forward. Like perhaps Reggie Mantle being bi.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Thestereotypebuster on January 06, 2017, 09:48:59 PM
I was a cautiously optimistic when I heard about this show. But I'm really excited for it now. I just wish people would be more open minded about the way the show is headed. I mean, obviously they're trying to take it in a new direction. I mean, we don't want to see the same stories rehashed over and over again, do we?
I'm just worried all this hate one the casting and the storyline might affect the cast's morale.  :-[
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Acejughead on January 06, 2017, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: spatzi on January 06, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
I really appreciate what Archie Comics has done recently in terms of representation. And I hope they do more going forward. Like perhaps Reggie Mantle being bi.

YES!!! Bi Reggie would be amazing, especially since there are so few bisexual characters in the media! Riverdale is already including multiple gay characters so I have high hopes!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: mycatisabunny on January 06, 2017, 09:52:42 PM
Quote from: spatzi on January 06, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
I really appreciate what Archie Comics has done recently in terms of representation. And I hope they do more going forward. Like perhaps Reggie Mantle being bi.


Honestly, representation is the way a savvy media company such as Archie Comics grows their audience. Every time someone my age or older complains about a show or book or whatever being "too PC", I see more younger people becoming fans because they feel like they're being listened to.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 10:41:40 AM
Political Correctness is a cancer. It ruins everything.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: apple on January 07, 2017, 10:48:29 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 10:41:40 AM
Political Correctness is a cancer. It ruins everything.
I'm sorry but I really don't see how changing the race of a couple characters is harming the source material. That's not even what "political correctness" is. The characters that are most changed from their comic counterpart are actually the ones who were kept white anyway.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Justnobody42 on January 07, 2017, 10:58:27 PM
Quote from: apple on January 07, 2017, 10:48:29 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 10:41:40 AM
Political Correctness is a cancer. It ruins everything.
I'm sorry but I really don't see how changing the race of a couple characters is harming the source material. That's not even what "political correctness" is. The characters that are most changed from their comic counterpart are actually the ones who were kept white anyway.


What political correctness is in Archie? The only really image-conscious stuff you see Archie do is outside the comics, like shutting down parodies and fan-fictions. 
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: mycatisabunny on January 07, 2017, 11:08:50 PM



Quote from: mycatisabunny on January 06, 2017, 09:52:42 PM
Every time someone my age or older complains about a show or book or whatever being "too PC", I see more younger people becoming fans because they feel like they're being listened to.


Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 10:41:40 AMPolitical Correctness is a cancer. It ruins everything.



Whether that's true or not (I disagree, but I know I'm not going to change your mind), more people have joined these forums in the past week than in the entire previous two months. Riverdale is already getting us more Archie fans, and the new younger folks are getting into the classic stuff too. Without new fans, the company stagnates and as fans we don't want that
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 11:15:57 PM
Quote from: apple on January 07, 2017, 10:48:29 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 10:41:40 AM
Political Correctness is a cancer. It ruins everything.
I'm sorry but I really don't see how changing the race of a couple characters is harming the source material. That's not even what "political correctness" is. The characters that are most changed from their comic counterpart are actually the ones who were kept white anyway.



???  I didn't even mention anything about race. But now that you mention it, it does harm some because the characters were actually based on real people. For example Josie was based on Decarlo's wife. But the people doing the casting are all "screw that" let's make her black, heck, let's make all three of them black. But that is a secondary thing, it doesn't affect the story (I hope). I stand by what I said about political correctness, though.(and I am not talking about race here) It needs to stop. People have become such pussies nowadays.




Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Acejughead on January 08, 2017, 12:07:15 AM
Quote from: gillibean on January 07, 2017, 11:46:52 PM

Crap... I hope they don't try to throw Sabrina into Riverdale...

Sabrina is already planned for the show, and is apparently going to be a major part of it second season...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Thestereotypebuster on January 10, 2017, 12:38:37 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 11:15:57 PM
Quote from: apple on January 07, 2017, 10:48:29 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 10:41:40 AM
Political Correctness is a cancer. It ruins everything.
I'm sorry but I really don't see how changing the race of a couple characters is harming the source material. That's not even what "political correctness" is. The characters that are most changed from their comic counterpart are actually the ones who were kept white anyway.



???  I didn't even mention anything about race. But now that you mention it, it does harm some because the characters were actually based on real people. For example Josie was based on Decarlo's wife. But the people doing the casting are all "screw that" let's make her black, heck, let's make all three of them black. But that is a secondary thing, it doesn't affect the story (I hope). I stand by what I said about political correctness, though.(and I am not talking about race here) It needs to stop. People have become such pussies nowadays.


Maybe if you clarify what you mean by "political correctness" we could have a more constructive discussion. Because right now, "political correctness is a cancer" seems like kind of an inflammatory statement.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: apple on January 10, 2017, 02:11:34 AM
"political correctness" usually refers to changing how you say/word/do something to avoid offending anyone. I don't really see how Riverdale is doing this at all?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 10, 2017, 03:54:46 PM
Quote from: apple on January 10, 2017, 02:11:34 AM
"political correctness" usually refers to changing how you say/word/do something to avoid offending anyone. I don't really see how Riverdale is doing this at all?

Interesting point. The biggest group (which is actually pretty small in TV viewership terms) of people likely to be offended by this show are the people who actually know the classic Archie comics and liked the characters the way they were. 90% (or better) of the viewing audience probably won't know or care. Then you can subtract the people who recognize the changes made from classic Archie comics, but aren't bothered by them.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 10, 2017, 10:14:07 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 10, 2017, 12:38:37 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 11:15:57 PM
Quote from: apple on January 07, 2017, 10:48:29 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 10:41:40 AM
Political Correctness is a cancer. It ruins everything.
I'm sorry but I really don't see how changing the race of a couple characters is harming the source material. That's not even what "political correctness" is. The characters that are most changed from their comic counterpart are actually the ones who were kept white anyway.



???  I didn't even mention anything about race. But now that you mention it, it does harm some because the characters were actually based on real people. For example Josie was based on Decarlo's wife. But the people doing the casting are all "screw that" let's make her black, heck, let's make all three of them black. But that is a secondary thing, it doesn't affect the story (I hope). I stand by what I said about political correctness, though.(and I am not talking about race here) It needs to stop. People have become such pussies nowadays.


Maybe if you clarify what you mean by "political correctness" we could have a more constructive discussion. Because right now, "political correctness is a cancer" seems like kind of an inflammatory statement.


I was talking in general. Besides, I wasn't the first one that brought the political correctness, somebody else did. I simply stated that PC is wrong. :P
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 10, 2017, 10:43:55 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 10, 2017, 10:14:07 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 10, 2017, 12:38:37 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 11:15:57 PM
Quote from: apple on January 07, 2017, 10:48:29 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 10:41:40 AM
Political Correctness is a cancer. It ruins everything.
I'm sorry but I really don't see how changing the race of a couple characters is harming the source material. That's not even what "political correctness" is. The characters that are most changed from their comic counterpart are actually the ones who were kept white anyway.



???  I didn't even mention anything about race. But now that you mention it, it does harm some because the characters were actually based on real people. For example Josie was based on Decarlo's wife. But the people doing the casting are all "screw that" let's make her black, heck, let's make all three of them black. But that is a secondary thing, it doesn't affect the story (I hope). I stand by what I said about political correctness, though.(and I am not talking about race here) It needs to stop. People have become such pussies nowadays.


Maybe if you clarify what you mean by "political correctness" we could have a more constructive discussion. Because right now, "political correctness is a cancer" seems like kind of an inflammatory statement.


I was talking in general. Besides, I wasn't the first one that brought the political correctness, somebody else did. I simply stated that PC is wrong. :P

It offends me in the New Riverdale comics when they revise Betty Cooper into a politically correct character. Seriously, every piece of dialogue out of her mouth is something critical of what someone else said or did, and how it doesn't conform to her sense of correctness. This is not the Betty Cooper I know, who is sweet and fun, smart and talented. Yes, she's concerned about real-world stuff, but she's not on a huge downer about it. The NR Betty is really a drag, not someone I'd want to be around at all. What burns me up even more is that in all ACP's rah-rah hype for the New Riverdale comics, they have the cojones to go on and on about "they are all the same characters you've known and loved, updated for a modern audience, blah blah blah". That's complete BS, and if they claim it's not, then they don't even know their own characters.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 10, 2017, 11:03:10 PM
I know some people won't agree but I think it is so annoying how some people are all "oh this character needs to be bi, this one needs to be gay, this character needs to be asexual, etc.etc.
No, they do not need to be that. They never were. If you want characters to be gay, transexuals, lesbians, whatever, how about creating new characters. Don't try to make the straight characters something they are not.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 10, 2017, 11:23:48 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 10, 2017, 10:43:55 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 10, 2017, 10:14:07 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 10, 2017, 12:38:37 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 11:15:57 PM
Quote from: apple on January 07, 2017, 10:48:29 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 10:41:40 AM
Political Correctness is a cancer. It ruins everything.
I'm sorry but I really don't see how changing the race of a couple characters is harming the source material. That's not even what "political correctness" is. The characters that are most changed from their comic counterpart are actually the ones who were kept white anyway.



???  I didn't even mention anything about race. But now that you mention it, it does harm some because the characters were actually based on real people. For example Josie was based on Decarlo's wife. But the people doing the casting are all "screw that" let's make her black, heck, let's make all three of them black. But that is a secondary thing, it doesn't affect the story (I hope). I stand by what I said about political correctness, though.(and I am not talking about race here) It needs to stop. People have become such pussies nowadays.


Maybe if you clarify what you mean by "political correctness" we could have a more constructive discussion. Because right now, "political correctness is a cancer" seems like kind of an inflammatory statement.


I was talking in general. Besides, I wasn't the first one that brought the political correctness, somebody else did. I simply stated that PC is wrong. :P

It offends me in the New Riverdale comics when they revise Betty Cooper into a politically correct character. Seriously, every piece of dialogue out of her mouth is something critical of what someone else said or did, and how it doesn't conform to her sense of correctness. This is not the Betty Cooper I know, who is sweet and fun, smart and talented. Yes, she's concerned about real-world stuff, but she's not on a huge downer about it. The NR Betty is really a drag, not someone I'd want to be around at all. What burns me up even more is that in all ACP's rah-rah hype for the New Riverdale comics, they have the cojones to go on and on about "they are all the same characters you've known and loved, updated for a modern audience, blah blah blah". That's complete BS, and if they claim it's not, then they don't even know their own characters.


Well ACP seems to be trying really hard to erase everything that Classic Archie used to be. You know, like  how they dropped the house style and fired all their long-time talented artists  >:(
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 10, 2017, 11:26:57 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 10, 2017, 11:03:10 PM
I know some people won't agree but I think it is so annoying how some people are all "oh this character needs to be bi, this one needs to be gay, this character needs to be asexual, etc.etc.
No, they do not need to be that. They never were. If you want characters to be gay, transexuals, lesbians, whatever, how about creating new characters. Don't try to make the straight characters something they are not.

I guess you can never be 100% sure about Jughead, though. There are some stories where the label mysogynist would not be inaccurate (although they're mostly older ones), and some stories where he dates girls like Debbie Dalton, Joani Jumpp, or Anita Chavita quite happily, with no food reward motive (and even earlier, there were Cheryl* and Lori, and a magic hatpin that made Juggy into a chick magnet). In fact, I'm pretty sure that Debbie and Joani got interjected into Jughead's title specifically as an editorial reaction to rumors that Jughead might be gay. Things have changed a lot since the late 1980s, when I don't think anyone had ever even heard the term 'asexual'.

*No, not THAT Cheryl!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 12:53:55 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 10, 2017, 11:26:57 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 10, 2017, 11:03:10 PM
I know some people won't agree but I think it is so annoying how some people are all "oh this character needs to be bi, this one needs to be gay, this character needs to be asexual, etc.etc.
No, they do not need to be that. They never were. If you want characters to be gay, transexuals, lesbians, whatever, how about creating new characters. Don't try to make the straight characters something they are not.

I guess you can never be 100% sure about Jughead, though. There are some stories where the label mysogynist would not be inaccurate (although they're mostly older ones), and some stories where he dates girls like Debbie Dalton, Joani Jumpp, or Anita Chavita quite happily, with no food reward motive (and even earlier, there were Cheryl* and Lori, and a magic hatpin that made Juggy into a chick magnet). In fact, I'm pretty sure that Debbie and Joani got interjected into Jughead's title specifically as an editorial reaction to rumors that Jughead might be gay. Things have changed a lot since the late 1980s, when I don't think anyone had ever even heard the term 'asexual'.

*No, not THAT Cheryl!


True. Juggie was always a mystery. Still I never really thought of him as being gay or asexual. He was just his own person and that's it.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 11, 2017, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 12:53:55 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 10, 2017, 11:26:57 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 10, 2017, 11:03:10 PM
I know some people won't agree but I think it is so annoying how some people are all "oh this character needs to be bi, this one needs to be gay, this character needs to be asexual, etc.etc.
No, they do not need to be that. They never were. If you want characters to be gay, transexuals, lesbians, whatever, how about creating new characters. Don't try to make the straight characters something they are not.

I guess you can never be 100% sure about Jughead, though. There are some stories where the label mysogynist would not be inaccurate (although they're mostly older ones), and some stories where he dates girls like Debbie Dalton, Joani Jumpp, or Anita Chavita quite happily, with no food reward motive (and even earlier, there were Cheryl* and Lori, and a magic hatpin that made Juggy into a chick magnet). In fact, I'm pretty sure that Debbie and Joani got interjected into Jughead's title specifically as an editorial reaction to rumors that Jughead might be gay. Things have changed a lot since the late 1980s, when I don't think anyone had ever even heard the term 'asexual'.

*No, not THAT Cheryl!


True. Juggie was always a mystery. Still I never really thought of him as being gay or asexual. He was just his own person and that's it.

I always felt the same. Jughead is so one-of-a-kind that he resists any attempts at quantification or labels.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: apple on January 11, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
hm interesting how going against the norm, being different, and "going your own way" absolves you of all sexuality.


Like in language. We have words. That mean things. You can say you don't fit into any category all day long but in all honesty, you still actually do.

If Jughead had shown interest in girls none of you would be avoiding calling him straight just because weird people don't fit into labels. But whatever.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
I understand the concern with keeping the characters' personalities true to their original characterizations. However, keep in mind that Archie comics is made to reflect teenage life--in whatever era they're being printed.
Just look at all the changes that have happened since they were first printed in the forties. Just like pop culture references have to be updated for the new era, so do cultural aspects. I mean, we wouldn't want stories about Archie driving a jalopy and the characters making jokes about women drivers now a days, would we?
These comics are about teens. And not everybody's teenage experience is the same. This is why, sometimes, labels ARE important. But you're right, it's not the labels others put on us, but the labels we put on ourselves, that really matter. That's why it's so important when a character like Jughead, one of the most popular characters in history, a STAPLE of pop culture, says "I don't get crushes", because someone might read it and think "he's like me" just like some of you might have even you read your first Archie comic and thought, "wow, this Jughead guy just loves to eat and sleep! He's got the right idea!"
And consider: these new adaptations haven't really changed who the characters are, not at the core. Yes, Betty is much more vocal about social justice issues, but this is just an effect of, as y'all mentioned, her kind and caring nature. She is very empathetic and it's only natural that she should care about social issues.
And yes, Jughead is asexual (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality). But this is nothing new. Jughead's anyways been adverse to dating. Besides his passion for burgers, it's one of his most iconic characteristics. It's just been characterized differently through the years. At one point he was a "woman hater". At one point he was dating Archie's future descendent ( ??? ?). The point is, this isn't even the most radical change to Jughead's characterization. It's not even a change. It's just an update in terminology.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: apple on January 11, 2017, 09:32:02 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
The point is, this isn't even the most radical change to Jughead's characterization. It's not even a change. It's just an update in terminology.
^^^ excellently put!!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Upsiditus on January 11, 2017, 10:14:15 PM
The characters had small wardrobes in Archie's Weird Mysteries, but I didn't see any problems with the animation.  The stories often didn't resemble the comic books and I didn't personally care for "the weird" element most of the time.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: apple on January 11, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
hm interesting how going against the norm, being different, and "going your own way" absolves you of all sexuality.


Like in language. We have words. That mean things. You can say you don't fit into any category all day long but in all honesty, you still actually do.

If Jughead had shown interest in girls none of you would be avoiding calling him straight just because weird people don't fit into labels. But whatever.
um, but he has shown interest in girls  ::)
I personally am not avoiding it. JUGHEAD IS STRAIGHT! There  ;)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
I mean, we wouldn't want stories about Archie driving a jalopy and the characters making jokes about women drivers now a days, would we?


I would. I like those stories. There's something really endearing about them.
But I get what you're saying. And yet, even if throughout the years Archie has always been trying to be up to date with the modern times, the comics still feel vintage-y and nostalgic. At least that's how I feel about them. I don't know how to explain it exactly. Like for example, me as a kid in the 1980s reading 80s Archie stories, I never felt like they were modern. They always had that old (in a good way) feeling. Same in the 90s, same in the early 2000s. That is what I love about them. The classic, vintage, innocent feeling. That's what this new spin is lacking.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 10:37:47 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: apple on January 11, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
hm interesting how going against the norm, being different, and "going your own way" absolves you of all sexuality.


Like in language. We have words. That mean things. You can say you don't fit into any category all day long but in all honesty, you still actually do.

If Jughead had shown interest in girls none of you would be avoiding calling him straight just because weird people don't fit into labels. But whatever.
um, but he has shown interest in girls  ::)
I personally am not avoiding it. JUGHEAD IS STRAIGHT! There  ;)
Reggie also showed interest in a lamp post once and yet. . .
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
I mean, we wouldn't want stories about Archie driving a jalopy and the characters making jokes about women drivers now a days, would we?

I would. I like those stories. There's something really endearing about them.
But I get what you're saying. And yet, even if throughout the years Archie has always been trying to be up to date with the modern times, the comics still feel vintage-y and nostalgic. At least that's how I feel about them. I don't know how to explain it exactly. Like for example, me as a kid in the 1980s reading 80s Archie stories, I never felt like they were modern. They always had that old (in a good way) feeling. Same in the 90s, same in the early 2000s. That is what I love about them. The classic, vintage, innocent feeling. That's what this new spin is lacking.


Your right about the vintage feeling, and I think that's why they decided to keep printing new stories in the house style in the digests.


I'm not sure how the new comics are any less innocent though  ???
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
I mean, we wouldn't want stories about Archie driving a jalopy and the characters making jokes about women drivers now a days, would we?

I would. I like those stories. There's something really endearing about them.
But I get what you're saying. And yet, even if throughout the years Archie has always been trying to be up to date with the modern times, the comics still feel vintage-y and nostalgic. At least that's how I feel about them. I don't know how to explain it exactly. Like for example, me as a kid in the 1980s reading 80s Archie stories, I never felt like they were modern. They always had that old (in a good way) feeling. Same in the 90s, same in the early 2000s. That is what I love about them. The classic, vintage, innocent feeling. That's what this new spin is lacking.


Your right about the vintage feeling, and I think that's why they decided to keep printing new stories in the house style in the digests.


I'm not sure how the new comics are any less innocent though  ???


I'm talking about the TV Series. This is the TV Series thread.





Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 10:37:47 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: apple on January 11, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
hm interesting how going against the norm, being different, and "going your own way" absolves you of all sexuality.


Like in language. We have words. That mean things. You can say you don't fit into any category all day long but in all honesty, you still actually do.

If Jughead had shown interest in girls none of you would be avoiding calling him straight just because weird people don't fit into labels. But whatever.
um, but he has shown interest in girls  ::)
I personally am not avoiding it. JUGHEAD IS STRAIGHT! There  ;)
Reggie also showed interest in a lamp post once and yet. . .


Come on, now. That's just silly ::)  and it is not the same thing, at all.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
I mean, we wouldn't want stories about Archie driving a jalopy and the characters making jokes about women drivers now a days, would we?

I would. I like those stories. There's something really endearing about them.
But I get what you're saying. And yet, even if throughout the years Archie has always been trying to be up to date with the modern times, the comics still feel vintage-y and nostalgic. At least that's how I feel about them. I don't know how to explain it exactly. Like for example, me as a kid in the 1980s reading 80s Archie stories, I never felt like they were modern. They always had that old (in a good way) feeling. Same in the 90s, same in the early 2000s. That is what I love about them. The classic, vintage, innocent feeling. That's what this new spin is lacking.


Your right about the vintage feeling, and I think that's why they decided to keep printing new stories in the house style in the digests.


I'm not sure how the new comics are any less innocent though  ???


I'm talking about the TV Series. This is the TV Series thread.
Ah, you're right. We just got so off topic
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 10:52:54 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 10:37:47 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: apple on January 11, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
hm interesting how going against the norm, being different, and "going your own way" absolves you of all sexuality.


Like in language. We have words. That mean things. You can say you don't fit into any category all day long but in all honesty, you still actually do.

If Jughead had shown interest in girls none of you would be avoiding calling him straight just because weird people don't fit into labels. But whatever.
um, but he has shown interest in girls  ::)
I personally am not avoiding it. JUGHEAD IS STRAIGHT! There  ;)
Reggie also showed interest in a lamp post once and yet. . .


Come on, now. That's just silly ::)  and it is not the same thing, at all.
I know it's silly  :P
That's what I'm saying. Stranger things have happened than Jughead being ace.

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: apple on January 11, 2017, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: apple on January 11, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
hm interesting how going against the norm, being different, and "going your own way" absolves you of all sexuality.


Like in language. We have words. That mean things. You can say you don't fit into any category all day long but in all honesty, you still actually do.

If Jughead had shown interest in girls none of you would be avoiding calling him straight just because weird people don't fit into labels. But whatever.
um, but he has shown interest in girls  ::)
I personally am not avoiding it. JUGHEAD IS STRAIGHT! There  ;)
The WRITER of JUGHEADS OWN SERIES CONFIRMED HIS AS ASEXUAL. What more proof do you need for him to be '''''not straight'''''. He looks at a girl in a spin off where he weirdly gets with Archie's great grandaughter isn't anymore valid than the new series?


Literally there are so many Archie canons that Jughead has probably been asexual, straight but just girl shy, gay, and maybe even bi in the minds of the respective writers. I don't see how the ones where he is straight is 'more canon' than any other interpretation, sweetie :)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: apple on January 11, 2017, 11:14:11 PM
I love how gay riverdale is going to be lol
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 12, 2017, 12:21:07 AM
Quote from: apple on January 11, 2017, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: apple on January 11, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
hm interesting how going against the norm, being different, and "going your own way" absolves you of all sexuality.


Like in language. We have words. That mean things. You can say you don't fit into any category all day long but in all honesty, you still actually do.

If Jughead had shown interest in girls none of you would be avoiding calling him straight just because weird people don't fit into labels. But whatever.
um, but he has shown interest in girls  ::)
I personally am not avoiding it. JUGHEAD IS STRAIGHT! There  ;)
The WRITER of JUGHEADS OWN SERIES CONFIRMED HIS AS ASEXUAL. What more proof do you need for him to be '''''not straight'''''. He looks at a girl in a spin off where he weirdly gets with Archie's great grandaughter isn't anymore valid than the new series?


Literally there are so many Archie canons that Jughead has probably been asexual, straight but just girl shy, gay, and maybe even bi in the minds of the respective writers. I don't see how the ones where he is straight is 'more canon' than any other interpretation, sweetie :)


Let's not forget 75 years of history, cutie pie :)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 12, 2017, 12:32:03 AM
Anyway, this thing is getting heated.
So I'll just leave you a pic that I think you newbies will like (or not, I don't know anymore)
(https://www.archiefans.com/index.php?media/file/jug-gets-kissed-by-a-guy.2453/preview/)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: steveinthecity on January 12, 2017, 12:33:01 AM
Who do I need to pander to in order to be called Cuddle Cakes or Dumpling?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 12, 2017, 04:20:39 AM
Quote from: apple on January 11, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
hm interesting how going against the norm, being different, and "going your own way" absolves you of all sexuality.

Like in language. We have words. That mean things. You can say you don't fit into any category all day long but in all honesty, you still actually do.

If Jughead had shown interest in girls none of you would be avoiding calling him straight just because weird people don't fit into labels. But whatever.

I think I already covered this in a post above, but he has shown interest in girls. But only in SOME stories. In others he's a "woman-hater", and other characters in the story specifically identify him by that label. I probably can't find a specific example to post here, or even more difficult to pin down, one where he identifies himself as a woman-hater (although it's certainly easy to find stories where he expresses his criticism of the female gender as a whole), but I can remember reading stories like that. The ones where he shows interest in girls are much easier to identify, and some of them are harder to quantify. One subject of debate revolves around Jughead's love relationship with January McAndrews, Marshall of the Time Police and a future descendant of Archie Andrews, which has raised a few eyebrows among people wondering just what exactly is going on there. There are even stories where Jughead dates Big Ethel and winds up having a good time. But it seems that in some stories he most definitely IS straight. Another good example of those would be LIFE WITH ARCHIE magazine (a.k.a. THE MARRIED LIFE in TP), where Jughead is married to Midge Klump.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Upsiditus on January 15, 2017, 09:45:35 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
I mean, we wouldn't want stories about Archie driving a jalopy and the characters making jokes about women drivers now a days, would we?


I would. I like those stories. There's something really endearing about them.
But I get what you're saying. And yet, even if throughout the years Archie has always been trying to be up to date with the modern times, the comics still feel vintage-y and nostalgic. At least that's how I feel about them. I don't know how to explain it exactly. Like for example, me as a kid in the 1980s reading 80s Archie stories, I never felt like they were modern. They always had that old (in a good way) feeling. Same in the 90s, same in the early 2000s. That is what I love about them. The classic, vintage, innocent feeling. That's what this new spin is lacking.


   When fictional stories are set in the present, they are not supposed to be any specific year, from what I understand.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Upsiditus on January 15, 2017, 09:50:32 PM
  I think the Betty&Veronica reboot comics are not as child friendly as they used to be.  I read #2 recently and was disturbed by this. 

   I think it would have been interesting if the Riverdale producers had hired one actress to play both Betty & Veronica and just had her wear different wigs and change her voice for each character.  It would have been more faithful to the comics.  :) ;)
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: steveinthecity on January 16, 2017, 12:35:25 AM
Quote from: Upsiditus on January 15, 2017, 09:45:35 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
I mean, we wouldn't want stories about Archie driving a jalopy and the characters making jokes about women drivers now a days, would we?


I would. I like those stories. There's something really endearing about them.
But I get what you're saying. And yet, even if throughout the years Archie has always been trying to be up to date with the modern times, the comics still feel vintage-y and nostalgic. At least that's how I feel about them. I don't know how to explain it exactly. Like for example, me as a kid in the 1980s reading 80s Archie stories, I never felt like they were modern. They always had that old (in a good way) feeling. Same in the 90s, same in the early 2000s. That is what I love about them. The classic, vintage, innocent feeling. That's what this new spin is lacking.


   When fictional stories are set in the present, they are not supposed to be any specific year, from what I understand.
Not trying to be contentious, but wouldn't the "present" be more more or less a specific year?  Give or take.

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: steveinthecity on January 16, 2017, 12:53:55 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 12, 2017, 04:20:39 AM
Quote from: apple on January 11, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
hm interesting how going against the norm, being different, and "going your own way" absolves you of all sexuality.

Like in language. We have words. That mean things. You can say you don't fit into any category all day long but in all honesty, you still actually do.

If Jughead had shown interest in girls none of you would be avoiding calling him straight just because weird people don't fit into labels. But whatever.

I think I already covered this in a post above, but he has shown interest in girls. But only in SOME stories. In others he's a "woman-hater", and other characters in the story specifically identify him by that label. I probably can't find a specific example to post here, or even more difficult to pin down, one where he identifies himself as a woman-hater (although it's certainly easy to find stories where he expresses his criticism of the female gender as a whole), but I can remember reading stories like that. The ones where he shows interest in girls are much easier to identify, and some of them are harder to quantify. One subject of debate revolves around Jughead's love relationship with January McAndrews, Marshall of the Time Police and a future descendant of Archie Andrews, which has raised a few eyebrows among people wondering just what exactly is going on there. There are even stories where Jughead dates Big Ethel and winds up having a good time. But it seems that in some stories he most definitely IS straight. Another good example of those would be LIFE WITH ARCHIE magazine (a.k.a. THE MARRIED LIFE in TP), where Jughead is married to Midge Klump.
Your argument doesn't fit or support the agenda. 
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Upsiditus on January 16, 2017, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: steveinthecity on January 16, 2017, 12:35:25 AM
Quote from: Upsiditus on January 15, 2017, 09:45:35 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
I mean, we wouldn't want stories about Archie driving a jalopy and the characters making jokes about women drivers now a days, would we?


I would. I like those stories. There's something really endearing about them.
But I get what you're saying. And yet, even if throughout the years Archie has always been trying to be up to date with the modern times, the comics still feel vintage-y and nostalgic. At least that's how I feel about them. I don't know how to explain it exactly. Like for example, me as a kid in the 1980s reading 80s Archie stories, I never felt like they were modern. They always had that old (in a good way) feeling. Same in the 90s, same in the early 2000s. That is what I love about them. The classic, vintage, innocent feeling. That's what this new spin is lacking.


   When fictional stories are set in the present, they are not supposed to be any specific year, from what I understand.
Not trying to be contentious, but wouldn't the "present" be more more or less a specific year?  Give or take.


  Fiction set in the present is supposed to speak to audiences for many years after it is written and thus doesn't want to be tied to one specific year.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: steveinthecity on January 16, 2017, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: Upsiditus on January 16, 2017, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: steveinthecity on January 16, 2017, 12:35:25 AM
Quote from: Upsiditus on January 15, 2017, 09:45:35 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
I mean, we wouldn't want stories about Archie driving a jalopy and the characters making jokes about women drivers now a days, would we?


I would. I like those stories. There's something really endearing about them.
But I get what you're saying. And yet, even if throughout the years Archie has always been trying to be up to date with the modern times, the comics still feel vintage-y and nostalgic. At least that's how I feel about them. I don't know how to explain it exactly. Like for example, me as a kid in the 1980s reading 80s Archie stories, I never felt like they were modern. They always had that old (in a good way) feeling. Same in the 90s, same in the early 2000s. That is what I love about them. The classic, vintage, innocent feeling. That's what this new spin is lacking.


   When fictional stories are set in the present, they are not supposed to be any specific year, from what I understand.
Not trying to be contentious, but wouldn't the "present" be more more or less a specific year?  Give or take.


  Fiction set in the present is supposed to speak to audiences for many years after it is written and thus doesn't want to be tied to one specific year.
I guess I don't agree.  The "present" is in constant flux. Reading fiction 20 or 30 years after publication changes the perspective.  At least to me. Maybe we're talking about two different things.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 17, 2017, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Upsiditus on January 15, 2017, 09:45:35 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
I mean, we wouldn't want stories about Archie driving a jalopy and the characters making jokes about women drivers now a days, would we?


I would. I like those stories. There's something really endearing about them.
But I get what you're saying. And yet, even if throughout the years Archie has always been trying to be up to date with the modern times, the comics still feel vintage-y and nostalgic. At least that's how I feel about them. I don't know how to explain it exactly. Like for example, me as a kid in the 1980s reading 80s Archie stories, I never felt like they were modern. They always had that old (in a good way) feeling. Same in the 90s, same in the early 2000s. That is what I love about them. The classic, vintage, innocent feeling. That's what this new spin is lacking.


   When fictional stories are set in the present, they are not supposed to be any specific year, from what I understand.

You can find many stories where the year is mentioned, if not a specific month or day. When those stories get reprinted years later in the digests, the year originally mentioned is edited to change it to the time of the current reprinting.

Time in general is a problem for Archie comics, because the basic premise is that any story taking place in "the present" means that Archie and his friends are in their Junior year at Riverdale High. Therefore, no matter how long ago a story was printed, no more time can have passed between that story and "the present" current Archie stories than the summer prior to the start of Junior year (which is always the current year, or September of the year before). Internal evidence of the time of year tells you when, during (or just before) the current school year the story is taking place. It's kind of a problem because certain events are going to occur only once during the course of the gang's Junior year at RHS, so when there's a story about a class election or the Junior Prom, it immediately voids all previous stories (as far as any continuity is concerned) based on those events that were printed in earlier-published comics.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Upsiditus on January 17, 2017, 09:19:17 PM
I recall in the book Archie: His First 50 Years, author Charles Phillips refers to the Archie characters (Archie and his classmates) as being 17.  Also there was a song on the first Archies LP called "17 Ain't Young."  This led me to believe that Archie is supposed to be a high school senior.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 17, 2017, 10:52:42 PM
Quote from: Upsiditus on January 17, 2017, 09:19:17 PM
I recall in the book Archie: His First 50 Years, author Charles Phillips refers to the Archie characters (Archie and his classmates) as being 17.  Also there was a song on the first Archies LP called "17 Ain't Young."  This led me to believe that Archie is supposed to be a high school senior.

It's not a great book. I wouldn't put too much stock in what you read in it as gospel truth. And if you want to take your information from The Archies' songs, then you probably believe Archie has a girlfriend named Sheila and a rival named Waldo P. Emerson-Jones.

But if you want to know the real reason Archie and his friends are Juniors in Riverdale High School, it's because Riverdale High is really Haverhill High School, and Archie is really Bob Montana. Bob Montana always said he based Archie on himself, and Riverdale High on his old high school, Haverhill High -- because at the time Archie was created, Bob considered those years at Haverhill High the best years of his life. But Bob Montana never completed his Senior year at Haverhill High, as his family then moved from Haverhill to Manchester, NH. When people asked him about Archie, he never mentioned that year he spent as a senior at Central High in Manchester. Most of the cast of characters of Archie are all based on people Bob Montana knew while at Haverhill High.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Upsiditus on January 18, 2017, 09:11:05 PM
  I would suppose at some point, Archie probably did date a girl named "Sheila."  I never understood the song "Waldo P. Emerson Jones"-presumably he would be related to Jughead, and yet this is never explained. 
    There must be stories that claim that Archie and his classmates are juniors (and perhaps a few that give their age as 16).  However, most stories don't claim a grade or age, and the idea of them being seniors works just as well.  There can't be much continuity-the Archie from Archie Comics Number One would be in his 90s now...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 19, 2017, 12:33:24 AM
Quote from: Upsiditus on January 18, 2017, 09:11:05 PM
  I would suppose at some point, Archie probably did date a girl named "Sheila."  I never understood the song "Waldo P. Emerson Jones"-presumably he would be related to Jughead, and yet this is never explained. 
    There must be stories that claim that Archie and his classmates are juniors (and perhaps a few that give their age as 16).  However, most stories don't claim a grade or age, and the idea of them being seniors works just as well.  There can't be much continuity-the Archie from Archie Comics Number One would be in his 90s now...

Maybe Archie did date a girl named Sheila at some point, but did he ever date someone named "Skooby Doo"? It's best not to think too much about the lyrics of The Archies' songs as applying to the characters and stories. Especially if you really listen to the lyrics of the song "Hot Dog".

The internal logic of the stories points to nothing specific to them being seniors. There are even stories that have them making reference to other students (incidental characters) as being seniors, which implies that Archie and the gang are not. If they were, they'd have to worry about college applications, or what their plans were for after graduation. Maybe Archie and Jughead don't spend much time thinking about that stuff, but what about Betty, Veronica, or Dilton? There are plenty of stories where we see the school year ending and summer vacation beginning, but we never saw them having a graduation ceremony. Even Prom stories don't have any finality to them, with any of them acting as if this is the last Prom they'll ever attend, which would be the case if they were seniors.

No, the only thing that makes sense is that they don't worry too much about that stuff just yet, because when school lets out for summer vacation, they know they'll be back at RHS again next September. This is the last time in their high school education that they won't have to worry about their lives changing dramatically in the next few months. And indeed they are back from summer vacation in the fall -- only somehow, by the magic of comic books, the summer vacation after their junior year has magically become the summer vacation before their junior year when they return to classes in September.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Upsiditus on January 22, 2017, 08:21:36 PM
You have hit on why this won't work as a live action TV series.  They can only do one season because the next year they would have to move up a grade.  If they did a cartoon it could go on for many years, like the Simpsons. 

Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 23, 2017, 12:05:13 AM
Quote from: Upsiditus on January 22, 2017, 08:21:36 PM
You have hit on why this won't work as a live action TV series.  They can only do one season because the next year they would have to move up a grade.  If they did a cartoon it could go on for many years, like the Simpsons.

Not quite, though. The series is called RIVERDALE, not "Riverdale HIGH". Of course the actors are going to age, and they know that. They can't be playing 16/17 year-old high school students for more than two seasons.

BUT this TV series is already breaking all the ground rules established in the Archie comic books, so having Archie and his friends graduate and continue on beyond high school seems like a minor thing in the context of all the major changes from the comics that we know they're making so far.

SABRINA the live-action TV series went on for 7 seasons, and they didn't cancel it because she was no longer a teenage witch. Or if you want a few better parallels in terms of thematic background, take HAPPY DAYS (11 seasons), THAT 70s SHOW (8 seasons), and DAWSON'S CREEK (6 seasons) -- all shows whose focal characters started out as teens in high school.

Besides, RIVERDALE already "won't work" for me. But there are certainly hit TV series that 'don't work' for me that manage to capture enough of an audience to run for years and years. Case in point... I never really watched SABRINA when it was on the air, yet it didn't need my help as a viewer to succeed as a television series. Another good example would be LOIS AND CLARK. Or perhaps even more precisely on point in terms of making an analogy here -- I submit for your examination: SMALLVILLE (10 seasons) and GOTHAM (3 seasons, and counting). Both 'based on' youthful versions of Superman and Batman respectively, but vastly different than the source material of the comic books. If you wanted to point a finger directly at 2 shows inspired BY more so than adapted FROM comics, to serve as models for RIVERDALE, those would be the ones -- even the title RIVERDALE is telling us as much (otherwise, why not title the series ARCHIE, a word which would certainly invoke greater recognition among the public as adapted from a comic book?). I would advise any Archie comics readers to adjust their expectations of the adherence of RIVERDALE to the source material of Archie Comics accordingly.

Whether or not those programs worked for comic book readers was irrelevant in terms of whether they succeeded or not as television shows. The stamp of approval of the consensus of comic book fans means nothing because those viewers are a fractional percentage of the overall viewing audience (although it may be noted that a sizable segment of the comic reading audience was not put off by those shows' lack of faithfulness to the source material of the comics).

To show an example of the direct opposite, comic book fans who watched the animated series YOUNG JUSTICE were rabid in their support of the series (despite the show's deviation from the source material established by DC comic books published prior to its airing), yet that wasn't able to keep it on the air, and it was cancelled after only 2 seasons -- because the show failed to capture the much larger younger demographic that Cartoon Network wanted, the consumers of show-based merchandise like action figures and toys. The toy line produced by Mattel fizzled, so they weren't going to pony up any more TV advertising revenue -- because the show was written at too sophisticated a level for the younger viewers who were the main consumers of toys to follow, even though the older comic book fans loved it.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: terrence12 on January 25, 2017, 10:16:10 PM
Look, I know i don't like the series for not giving  faithfulness to both the classic and reboot elements that is comedy and they should have made it as a sitcom but that show gains  positive reviews for its pilot though the ratings didn't rise up yet,I think the reason for the positive reviews is that most people didn't read the classic archie comics but read the reboot especially that the show has the elements of the reboot though i wish they could have make it as the live action archie drama comedy series.


So i think the show will at least run for 5 seasons according to my opinion or at least jump the shark when it becomes long running.


But still i hope Archie comics will make another live action tv series and make it faithful to the core elements  of both classic and reboot  that is comedy but make it as a comedy drama series aimed for older audience  since the source material has innuendos and let it air on some different network maybe mtv,freeform or maybe netflix.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: ASS-P on January 26, 2017, 08:32:13 AM
...I am fascinated to see discussion of the characters, age AND Archies lyrics here !!!!!!!!!!! :smitten:
  However , my posting circumstances mean that I haven,t read this whole line , so excuse me if I repeat :-\ ...
  (1) Re: the gang[size=78%],s age and HS years , I came into the statement that they were perpetual ophomores fairly recently...AND , only becoming aware of the Archie website giving facts about the characters this century I think,,,And I do recall initially seeing a sttement there that Archie was 16/17 (and I guess the other males were...16 , with no specification that they might be , ever , 17 ? To maintain Arch,s apha dog status ?[/size] 8) ) while B&V were stated to be 15/16 , I am sure of that , as if maintaining the custom that men go out with women who are younger than them - The , later on , the site,s official statement was that BV were 16...As if , bluntly , to keep them at least within the : younger end : of the age of consent as it tends to be understood in the U.S.  ;D
(Technical note: US ages of consent , decided on a state-by-state basis - tend - I think , anyway - to allow : relations/,
marriage with someone who is also young or has gotten consent/from the person,s parent - kind of : trining driver : status - at 16 with I guess absolute full age of consent universally , nationwide ,  starting at 18 .)
(2( Archies lyrics ? Yeah , try listening to : Archie,s Party : sometime :o :D :idiot2: :P  !
  Or , : Feelin; So Good SKOOBY DOO : indeed , if you want to assume that the gang are , religiously , Catholics or (Arguably ?) other more : small-o orthodox/high church : Christian denominations - Anglican/Episcopalian , big-O Orthodox  - rather than  the I guess?? evangelical Christianity I suppose the Spire titles woul put them in the pew ;)  of !
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: ASS-P on January 26, 2017, 11:15:54 AM

What are : DMs : ?










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Are you a plant from ACP?
Do you mean Archie Comics? No, I don't think they'd hire me at all! I don't think they'd like me very much. I was trying to get them to give me a copy of an unaired Archie cartoon back from 2013 (I looooooveeee the Archie cartoons!) and they threatened to turn off their DMs  :'( 


That would be really cool, though!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 26, 2017, 11:31:00 AM
Seems doubtful they could be sophomores, or younger than 16. Archie, Reggie, Veronica and Betty all have some kind of driver's license -- possibly a provisional/restricted license, but not a learner's permit, which would require they be accompanied by an adult with a valid license while they're behind the wheel. Most states won't issue even a restricted license until age 16, and NO state will issue a full license at less than 16. And a restricted license would usually require them not to be on the road past a certain time (could be anywhere from 9 pm to midnight, depending on the state), and/or require them not to carry any more than one or two passengers.

Nope. Juniors in high school is really the only thing that works without significant complications of some sort. They have mobility and greater freedom than they did just a year or so earlier, but they don't have to worry about college or career plans for next fall.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: ASS-P on January 26, 2017, 12:01:28 PM

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Seems doubtful they could be sophomores, or younger than 16. Archie, Reggie, Veronica and Betty all have some kind of driver's license -- possibly a provisional/restricted license, but not a learner's permit, which would require they be accompanied by an adult with a valid license while they're behind the wheel. Most states won't issue even a restricted license until age 16, and NO state will issue a full license at less than 16. And a restricted license would usually require them not to be on the road past a certain time (could be anywhere from 9 pm to midnight, depending on the state), and/or require them not to carry any more than one or two passengers.

Nope. Juniors in high school is really the only thing that works without significant complications of some sort. They have mobility and greater freedom than they did just a year or so earlier, but they don't have to worry about college or career plans for next fall.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 26, 2017, 03:10:41 PM
As sophomores they're not old enough to get a driver's license. Or they might be, sometime before the school year ends, but not right from the beginning in September. Except maybe for Big Moose, who might be older than the others, for obvious reasons.

I mention the driving as something specifically established in the stories as a point of fact.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: TeamBlossom on January 26, 2017, 11:44:57 PM
Quote from: gillibean on January 26, 2017, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 26, 2017, 03:10:41 PM
As sophomores they're not old enough to get a driver's license. Or they might be, sometime before the school year ends, but not right from the beginning in September. Except maybe for Big Moose, who might be older than the others, for obvious reasons.

I mention the driving as something specifically established in the stories as a point of fact.


I agree that the Archie gang should be juniors... but actually, most Sophomores have their drivers license. Sophomore year is the year that we turn 16, and some of us even get them before school starts. I agree though, at the begining of the school year, not everyone is going to have a license so it make sense that Archie and the gang are Juniors (That's what I've always considered them)
Not for those with summer birthdays. Actually, in some states / districts, those with birthdays later in the year could go the entire year without turning 16.

If only Archie's site still had the old bios with the birthdays...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 26, 2017, 11:59:27 PM
The other thing to mention here is that there are several stories where Archie and his friends are definitely referred to as upperclassmen (which would include both Juniors and Seniors). There are innumerable stories with Reggie "giving the business" (as Eddie Haskell used to say on Leave It To Beaver) to some frosh, which he could hardly expect to get away with as a Sophomore. Yet there are also stories where some particular incidental character is referred to as being a Senior, which would never be mentioned if Archie and the gang were themselves Seniors. Taken altogether with other things we know like them all having driver's licenses (apart from maybe Jughead - although I think I may have even seen a story or two with him driving), and never thinking about college or post-graduation plans (which they would literally be forced to as Seniors) leads to the only reasonable conclusion... they are Juniors, which neatly accounts for all of these things.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: spatzi on January 27, 2017, 12:07:16 AM
They're sophomores, I assume, because they want to write the series as they grow older and starting as young as possible, but with a bit more freedom that 16 provides is pretty good from a high school television writing standpoint,
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: JonInIowaCity on January 27, 2017, 12:30:23 AM
My son is a sophomore. Some drive. Some don't.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: BettyReggie on January 27, 2017, 07:28:23 AM

I watched Riverdale. It was awesome. They really made Cheryl a Bitch. I didn't think Polly Cooper would even know Jason Blossom. Polly supposed be the older Sister. Then they wind up dating. I thought Jason had a crush on Betty. And Veronica's mom looks nothing like Veronica's mother in the comics. And it seems like Mr. Lodge is a criminal for stealing money. So that's why the family had to move to Riverdale.
I thought of some other things. Betty's mom is also a bitch. The first thing she says she's glad Jason Blossom is dead but later we learn that Polly dated Jason & he was mean to Polly. I guess that's why she hated Jason. And I do like Jughead's narrating the show but he was hardly in it. Only a few minutes at the end.And it seemed like Jughead & Archie hardly knew each other. They didn't even sit with each other in the gym.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: TeamBlossom on January 27, 2017, 09:09:18 AM

Really liked it. Didn't like the Archie/Ms. Grundy subplot, though.

I was upset about brown eyes for Cheryl, but it actually fits her personality on the show, so I'm letting that go.
Also, I still think it was ironic that Jughead was Cody from the Suite Life. Zack was the slacker of the two on that show. Then again, it makes sense after all the changes to everyone else.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Archiecomicxfan215 on January 27, 2017, 09:16:02 AM
The CW website has the trailer for episode #2 :smitten:
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: ASS-P on January 29, 2017, 09:51:38 PM
...I actually said : sophomore : when I meant : junior : , I,m sorry .
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: ASS-P on January 29, 2017, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: ASS-P on January 29, 2017, 09:51:38 PM
...I actually said : sophomore : when I meant : junior : , I,m sorry...I will say that wondering how they can drive according to their age and present-day driving rules is like asking how theey can run a tab at Pop Tate,s or why smaall town/city Riverdale still hass an active downtown instead of a Walmart or similar !

  Some fictional conventions of comics are rooted in an earlier era,s rules :2funny: ...
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
I thought it was pretty good. The acting's pretty good, I like what they're doing with the main three (Veronica trying to be good, Betty trying to be perfect for everyone, and Archie trying to do right for everyone). And I like they kept music with Archie.

Betty Cooper's mom is creepy.

Josie and the Pussycats are jerks. Sheesh.

The only things I hate:

No Midge. Darn it, I wanted to see Moose beat people up! Now I'm going to have to wait until Betty finally snaps.

Show don't tell. We didn't see Archie do anything to show he's good at football and we only got the very end of the cheerleading and....I gotta be honest, with what little bit I saw, I wouldn't have Betty on the team either.

The Grundy/Archie subplot. Ugh. I know you had to get Archie at the lake to be connected to the mystery--but it really gave a blow to the character.

Kevin Keller having a little too much Jack from Will and Grace in him. Few times, I wanted to tell him to be quiet, but I still liked him overall.

Other thoughts.

Luke Perry is a good dad.

Cheryl Blossom was awesome as the alpha ....witch.

Jughead, well, he narrated and didn't do much...and yet I wish he was more of a main character than Archie. And I like his hat.

Sheesh. Archie's got muscles, he's not John Cena! Calm down!

I think it was a pretty good pilot. And I like the mystery at the end. Who shot Jason? Who gets arrested next episode. The only thing I really hate is the Ms. Grundy stuff. Heck, I'd rather it have been Reggie and he threatened to tell everyone what she did if she didn't give him good grades. But I guess Reggie is stuck with dumb jock friend if going by the pilot.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: steveinthecity on January 31, 2017, 01:24:07 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 26, 2017, 11:59:27 PM
The other thing to mention here is that there are several stories where Archie and his friends are definitely referred to as upperclassmen (which would include both Juniors and Seniors). There are innumerable stories with Reggie "giving the business" (as Eddie Haskell used to say on Leave It To Beaver) to some frosh, which he could hardly expect to get away with as a Sophomore. Yet there are also stories where some particular incidental character is referred to as being a Senior, which would never be mentioned if Archie and the gang were themselves Seniors. Taken altogether with other things we know like them all having driver's licenses (apart from maybe Jughead - although I think I may have even seen a story or two with him driving), and never thinking about college or post-graduation plans (which they would literally be forced to as Seniors) leads to the only reasonable conclusion... they are Juniors, which neatly accounts for all of these things.
Jughead's driven as far back as the 40's fwiw.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 31, 2017, 11:08:58 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on January 31, 2017, 01:24:07 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 26, 2017, 11:59:27 PM
The other thing to mention here is that there are several stories where Archie and his friends are definitely referred to as upperclassmen (which would include both Juniors and Seniors). There are innumerable stories with Reggie "giving the business" (as Eddie Haskell used to say on Leave It To Beaver) to some frosh, which he could hardly expect to get away with as a Sophomore. Yet there are also stories where some particular incidental character is referred to as being a Senior, which would never be mentioned if Archie and the gang were themselves Seniors. Taken altogether with other things we know like them all having driver's licenses (apart from maybe Jughead - although I think I may have even seen a story or two with him driving), and never thinking about college or post-graduation plans (which they would literally be forced to as Seniors) leads to the only reasonable conclusion... they are Juniors, which neatly accounts for all of these things.
Jughead's driven as far back as the 40's fwiw.

That's what I was talking about, but stories where Jughead is behind the wheel of car seem to have become increasingly rare as the decades have passed.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Tuxedo Mark on January 31, 2017, 12:57:33 PM
Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
Betty Cooper's mom is creepy.

Not creepy, just a hardass. I'm glad that Betty finally stood up to her.

Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
Josie and the Pussycats are jerks. Sheesh.

Well, Josie is. Mel and Val are just there at this point.

Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
No Midge. Darn it, I wanted to see Moose beat people up! Now I'm going to have to wait until Betty finally snaps.

How are those related?

Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
The Grundy/Archie subplot. Ugh. I know you had to get Archie at the lake to be connected to the mystery--but it really gave a blow to the character.

Yes, she probably did. :D

Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
Cheryl Blossom was awesome as the alpha ....witch.

Yup, Cheryl is awesome. I think Camilla Mendes as Veronica stole the show, though (even my 76-year-old mom loves her). I love the moment where she confronted Cheryl at cheerleader tryouts, and you could tell Cheryl was intimidated by her. Good acting all around.

By the way, one of the trailers was cut in a way that insinuated both Betty and Veronica would go into the closet with Cheryl. ;)

Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
Jughead, well, he narrated and didn't do much...and yet I wish he was more of a main character than Archie. And I like his hat.

I'm trying to make sense of Jughead's narration. The end of the episode had him narrating stuff that didn't even happen yet, such as the arrest that will come halfway through fifth period (which I'm guessing the next episode will actually show).

By the way, that will be Cheryl, judging by one of the trailers, which shows her being escorted by police. It's way too early for them to have caught the real killer, though.

Quote from: PTF on January 30, 2017, 01:37:09 AM
But I guess Reggie is stuck with dumb jock friend if going by the pilot.

Yeah, Mr. Hot Cougar Ass didn't impress me. Also, the actor's way too old.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: PTF on February 01, 2017, 12:53:39 AM
I'm thinking Betty's going to snap and start smashing stuff. She did dig her fingernails into her palms when Cheryl was trying to get her angry when she was talking about her sister.

And yeah, Veronica's actress was the best.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Archiecomicxfan215 on February 02, 2017, 10:04:05 PM
On tonights episode...


Oh. My. God *jaw drops*
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Upsiditus on February 02, 2017, 10:14:46 PM
The show is certainly memorable through both episodes so far.  Even it weren't good, seeing the Archie characters on the TV screen would be difficult for me to skip.  Archie/Ms. Grundy is a huge mistake.  Having Archie's parents divorced is wrong.  Reggie was so badly miscast I had to wait for the dialogue to know it was him.  The actress playing Betty is certainly spot on.  Jughead's hat is wrong.  Moose being gay makes no sense.  Jughead gay makes a lot of sense (there seems to be a hint of it).  Veronica's parents being divorced is very logical and the comics often seem to hint at this-Mrs. Lodge is very rarely seen.  I don't understand why Cheryl would get invited to Betty's house, it seems stupid. 
   I would still prefer a sitcom (or actually a cartoon).  It would work better PG rated.



Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on February 03, 2017, 12:10:59 AM
Quote from: Upsiditus on February 02, 2017, 10:14:46 PM
Mrs. Lodge is very rarely seen.

That used to be true, from the 1940s through the 1980s, but actually Hermione Lodge has been a big presence in Veronica's life since Veronica got her own series back in the late 1980s. She hasn't been seen a lot since it's been cancelled, but Mrs. Lodge has appeared in issues of KEVIN KELLER and BETTY & VERONICA before those series were cancelled, also.

Quote from: Upsiditus on February 02, 2017, 10:14:46 PM
I would still prefer a sitcom (or actually a cartoon).  It would work better PG rated.

I agree with you. If they ever made a show like that, then I'd watch it.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Archiecomicxfan215 on February 03, 2017, 09:14:02 AM
Some cool edits i found on Instagram  :smitten:


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Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on February 03, 2017, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: Upsiditus on February 02, 2017, 10:14:46 PM
  Veronica's parents being divorced is very logical and the comics often seem to hint at this-Mrs. Lodge is very rarely seen.


I never felt like the comics were implying they were divorced (at least not in the classic comics. I don't know about the reboot). I just always imagined Ronnie's mom was always traveling but never did it cross my mind that they were divorced. And like DeCarloRules said, she was around during the 1980s in the house with Mr Lodge.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Archiecomicxfan215 on February 04, 2017, 03:22:35 PM
i found this article.. how is riverdale different from archie comics


http://www.teenvogue.com/gallery/how-riverdale-is-different-from-archie-comics
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: rusty on February 04, 2017, 10:40:09 PM
I just watched the second episode and I liked it more than the first episode, too.  I thought it was good, though the show is still finding its footing. I'm hoping it gets a lot better as the season progresses.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Upsiditus on February 05, 2017, 08:49:21 PM
Quote from: Archiecomicxfan215 on February 04, 2017, 03:22:35 PM
i found this article.. how is riverdale different from archie comics


http://www.teenvogue.com/gallery/how-riverdale-is-different-from-archie-comics (http://www.teenvogue.com/gallery/how-riverdale-is-different-from-archie-comics)


IMO, except for having the Lodges divorced, every change the TV show made was for the worse.   That article made some mistakes-Betty and Veronica are certainly friends in the comic book.  It's one of the biggest jokes in the series.  IRL, they would consider their friendship more important than dating Archie and both dump him.  Also, Jughead is certainly a loner even in the comics. 
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on February 06, 2017, 12:53:48 AM
Quote from: Upsiditus on February 05, 2017, 08:49:21 PM
Quote from: Archiecomicxfan215 on February 04, 2017, 03:22:35 PM
i found this article.. how is riverdale different from archie comics


http://www.teenvogue.com/gallery/how-riverdale-is-different-from-archie-comics (http://www.teenvogue.com/gallery/how-riverdale-is-different-from-archie-comics)


IMO, except for having the Lodges divorced, every change the TV show made was for the worse.   That article made some mistakes-Betty and Veronica are certainly friends in the comic book.  It's one of the biggest jokes in the series.  IRL, they would consider their friendship more important than dating Archie and both dump him.

Apparently their friendship is not more important than replacing Pop Tate's with a Lodge-owned coffee franchise, though. Or so Adam Hughes would have us believe. And apparently, TeenVogue did believe.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: PTF on February 06, 2017, 11:20:34 AM
Well, to be fair, that is another universe's version of the gang.

But yeah, the next story arc should be Veronica trying to win Betty's friendship back because no way should Betty forgive. I mean, I can get helping your dad--but she went out of her way to rub every sneaking thing she did to stop Betty right in her face and was as smug as possible every time they talked.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Rebirth Gaming on February 06, 2017, 11:49:27 AM
Damn, this show is really entertaining and suspenseful right now. I really love it! Can't wait for Ep. 3!
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on February 06, 2017, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: PTF on February 06, 2017, 11:20:34 AM
Well, to be fair, that is another universe's version of the gang.

That's what I keep trying to tell people, but as far as some people and ACP are concerned, they consider it "the real deal" universe.

BUT... we are talking about RIVERDALE here. And Adam Huges' BETTY & VERONICA is the one they are reprinting along with the other New Riverdale #1 issues in the trade paperback THE ROAD TO RIVERDALE (or RIVERDALE DIGEST #1 if you're too cheap to shell out for the full-sized TP), and those use the TV series logo, so it's fair to say that ACP is trying to establish a link between the New Riverdale comics and the TV series. Just so you know where I was going with that.

Now, when talking about the comics, which do you think TeenVogue is more likely interested in? Probably the ones ACP sent them as research material for their article. No, I can't see the TeenVogue writer sifting through old classic Archie floppies or digests researching the differences between RIVERDALE and the comics. Scanning through a couple dozen issues of New Riverdale comics sounds like more their speed. And it does account for their saying that B&V are not friends in the comics, compared to the TV show. Besides, I'm sure if it weren't for the TV series, no one connected to TeenVogue would be caught dead reading comics, and if they were, it sure wouldn't be Archie classic-style comics... if they could actually find some of those. But I don't see TeenVogue writers as spending a lot of time cruising the magazine racks at Walmart or Barnes & Noble, do you?
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Archiecomicxfan215 on February 09, 2017, 12:26:39 PM
http://www.teenvogue.com/gallery/what-shows-riverdale-fans-should-watch-on-tv


5 TV Shows with Surprising Connections to Riverdale
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: JonInIowaCity on February 09, 2017, 10:06:25 PM
Judging from next week's Riverdale previews, haters of the young-Grundy-seducing-Archie storyline and lovers of traditional Grundy might get some justice.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: rusty on February 09, 2017, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: JonInIowaCity on February 09, 2017, 10:06:25 PM
Judging from next week's Riverdale previews, haters of the young-Grundy-seducing-Archie storyline and lovers of traditional Grundy might get some justice.

i haven't watched this week's episode (or next week's previews) yet, but I wouldn't mind finding out that Grundy the music teacher has a spinster aunt with the same name who is also a teacher who maybe comes out of retirement to return to teaching at Riverdale High School.
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: fandemoniumnetwork on May 01, 2018, 02:06:23 AM
 :D Latest Update: 

The CW released the official synopsis, promotional photos and videos for Season 2 Episode 20 of Riverdale – Shadow of a Doubt, airing May 2nd. Check out the synopsis and promotional photos as well as the sneak peeks at FANdemonium Network
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: Salem on June 06, 2018, 07:24:04 AM
I, for one, am a very happy camper with how Aguirre-Sacasa is handling the show. I have been loving his work on Afterlife, so I might be a little biased. I think that any of the doubts that I might have had with casting has been laid to rest. The cast is pitch-perfect. The show is very different from the source material, and from the get I'm always worried when a show sites Twin Peaks as one of its references - because most of those shows don't get it right. But this show has taken a part of that formula, and grounded it - then placed it in the Riverdale landscape with versions of these classic archetypes.

I'm kind of late to the game, but I'm glad I just binged the first season in its entirety - and have started watching the second season. I know I'm in for a real treat.

Salem
Title: Re: Riverdale TV Series
Post by: johnsonjames on June 22, 2018, 09:18:46 AM
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