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Riverdale TV Series

Started by Imnotmark, April 02, 2016, 10:30:59 PM

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b-ko

Just posted my official thank you thread to Roberto-Aguirre Sacasa for making Archie x Miss Grundy a reality!  Please show your gratitude, everyone!

http://www.archiefans.com/all-about-archie/thank-you-roberto-aguirre-sacasa-for-making-archie-x-miss-grundy-canon!

nuageo

Quote from: kassandralove on April 05, 2016, 06:31:34 PM
LMFAO!!!!!! Oh my god
I know like I am sure this show on its own could be good but it's nothing anywhere near what Archie is about or what we would of wanted as fans

What is funny in a comics may not be as funny in a TV show with real humans.  ???

old_jughead

Quote from: B-ko on April 05, 2016, 03:26:23 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 05, 2016, 10:34:04 AM
QuoteI think the actor for Reggie is one of the few that actually looks like the comic book character.


??? :idiot2:

Current Archie Logic:

Reggie has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Reggie is Asian!
Dilton has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Dilton is Asian!
Veronica has dark hair + Latinas have dark hair = Veronica is Latina!

WE'RE BEING PROGRESSIVE AND DIVERSE!  MEDIA PRAISE US AND GIVE US MONEY PLOX! WE'RE NOT OUT OF TOUCH OR CLUELESS AT ALL!


My point, which you have just made, is that since Archie is white, no one is complaining even though he does not look anything like the comic book character.

CAPalace

I watch a lot of Asian dramas, and when they make a live-action adaption of a cartoon or comic there, they keep the overall mood/spirit of the original source. A lot of them are kind of corny, but they have a lot of heart and are often funny (depending on the source material). I just don't get why in America we have to be all "Make it DAAARRRKKK it'll be great." No. No. Stop it.

b-ko

Quote from: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: B-ko on April 05, 2016, 03:26:23 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 05, 2016, 10:34:04 AM
QuoteI think the actor for Reggie is one of the few that actually looks like the comic book character.


??? :idiot2:

Current Archie Logic:

Reggie has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Reggie is Asian!
Dilton has dark hair + Asian people have dark hair = Dilton is Asian!
Veronica has dark hair + Latinas have dark hair = Veronica is Latina!

WE'RE BEING PROGRESSIVE AND DIVERSE!  MEDIA PRAISE US AND GIVE US MONEY PLOX! WE'RE NOT OUT OF TOUCH OR CLUELESS AT ALL!


My point, which you have just made, is that since Archie is white, no one is complaining even though he does not look anything like the comic book character.

People in this forum did complain about it.  I complained about it.  Are you suggesting  though that changing someone's race isn't as drastic as making them more ripped and taking away their freckles?  I know we live in the age of Rachel Dolezal and Shawn King, but changing your race isn't exactly like getting a new hair cut. 

old_jughead

Archie's red hair and freckles and his average looks are iconic to the character. Race change would be a problem if their race was what defined the character and made them special.

b-ko

Quote from: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 07:40:24 PM
Archie's red hair and freckles and his average looks are iconic to the character. Race change would be a problem if their race was what defined the character and made them special.

Do you ever read these opinions of yours through and think them out logically?  Is red hair and freckles not something intrinsically tied to a person's race?  I like though that race only doesn't matter to certain people, except when it does, which is always, or else these characters wouldn't have their races altered in the first place.  It's called cognitive dissonance.  The ones who say they don't care about race are the ones most obsessed with it and thinking about it constantly.

old_jughead

April 05, 2016, 08:07:18 PM #67 Last Edit: April 05, 2016, 08:13:36 PM by old_jughead



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Is red hair and freckles not something intrinsically tied to a person's race?
Yes, that's why I don't have a problem with Archie's race being kept but more with how they changed his features and personality.




QuoteThe ones who say they don't care about race are the ones most obsessed with it and thinking about it constantly.
Because you are obsessed with race and all of your arguments have been about race so I'm responding to those complaints.




b-ko

April 05, 2016, 08:22:47 PM #68 Last Edit: April 05, 2016, 08:25:36 PM by B-ko
Quote from: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 08:07:18 PM
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Is red hair and freckles not something intrinsically tied to a person's race?
Yes, that's why I don't have a problem with Archie's race being kept but more with how they changed his features and personality.

Read this reply of yours again please and see it make sense this time. So you're saying if they would have changed Archie's race, but kept the freckles and red hair, that wouldn't be idiotic like it obviously would be?   ;D


QuoteThe ones who say they don't care about race are the ones most obsessed with it and thinking about it constantly.
QuoteBecause you are obsessed with race and all of your arguments have been about race so I'm responding to those complaints.

Ah, the great debate strartegy of the philosopher, Peewee Herman.  Umm, how about this, I wouldn't have said anything if Archie Comics and CW hadn't included these ridiculous race changes, which makes them look like pandering morons who don't care about Archie Comics at best and racists at worst?  How about that? 

Did you approve of all the race changes in the Last Airbender and 21 as well?  Since you don't think race matters right?  You must be totally consistent with that right?  If race doesn't matter, then it was okay to make all the Asian characters in the Last Airbender and 21 white people.  That's your position after all since race wasn't their defining trait as characters.

old_jughead

April 05, 2016, 08:37:57 PM #69 Last Edit: April 05, 2016, 08:41:05 PM by old_jughead
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QuoteIs red hair and freckles not something intrinsically tied to a person's race?
Yes, that's why I don't have a problem with Archie's race being kept but more with how they changed his features and personality.

Read this reply of yours again please and see it make sense this time. So you're saying if they would have changed Archie's race, but kept the freckles and red hair, that wouldn't be idiotic like it obviously would be?   ;D 

It still makes sense  ;D . I said the exact opposite actually, that they were right to keep Archie's race as white.


QuoteDid you approve of all the race changes in the Last Airbender and 21 as well?  Since you don't think race matters right?  You must be totally consistent with that right?  If race doesn't matter, then it was okay to make all the Asian characters in the Last Airbender and 21 white people.  That's your position after all since those weren't their defining traits as characters.

Um, no. 21 is based on a real story so they should have kept the races the same. I don't know much about Last Airbender because I'm not a fan but from what I gather the characters weren't specified as Asians but just "Asian inspired" so the race change wasn't a big concern here. The bigger problem with casting non-white actors in these roles is that there is little opportunity for people of colour to work in the industry already so changing the races of these characters diminishes their chances even more.

b-ko

QuoteUm, no. 21 is based on a real story so they should have kept the races the same. I don't know much about Last Airbender because I'm not a fan but from what I gather the characters weren't specified as Asians but just "Asian inspired" so the race change wasn't a big concern here. The bigger problem with casting non-white actors in these roles is that there is little opportunity for people of colour to work in the industry already so changing the races of these characters diminishes their chances even more.


The characters of Archie Comics are based on people Bob Montanta knew.  Why do the creators' input not matter to you? 

It's about Asian culture, they're Asian, they look Asian, they're presented as being Asian.  Also the term "people of color" doesn't refer to a good percentage of Asian people.  It's used by SJWs as a buzzword, but it can't be applied to every context.

old_jughead


QuoteThe characters of Archie Comics are based on people Bob Montanta knew.  Why do the creators' input not matter to you? 


Because that was nearly a century ago and the look of a town back then is a lot different than what it is like today. I'm sure that if Archie was created today, it would represent a lot of diverse groups like the show is trying to do.


b-ko

Quote from: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 09:26:57 PM

QuoteThe characters of Archie Comics are based on people Bob Montanta knew.  Why do the creators' input not matter to you? 


Because that was nearly a century ago and the look of a town back then is a lot different than what it is like today. I'm sure that if Archie was created today, it would represent a lot of diverse groups like the show is trying to do.


Can you express an argument without using virtue signalling buzz words like diversity and POC?

Regardless, Archie Comics wasn't created today, and it certainly looks like if it was it would be total and utter garbage like this pilot is turning into.  If this pilot is what Archie would be if it was created today, it wouldn't be remembered tomorrow let alone 70 years from now.  If you liked the comics and characters, maybe you would actually have more of an issue with them being changed into something totally unrecognizable.

old_jughead

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Regardless, Archie Comics wasn't created today, and it certainly looks like if it was it would be total and utter garbage like this pilot is turning into.  If this pilot is what Archie would be if it was created today, it wouldn't be remembered tomorrow let alone 70 years from now.  If you liked the comics and characters, maybe you would actually have more of an issue with them being changed into something totally unrecognizable.


The point is Archie Comics has always been diverse right from the get-go and everyone was accepted for who they are. There were old people, young people, fat people, skinny people, ugly people, beautiful people, nerds, jocks, freckled people etc. Then over the years they added more diversity like having black characters such as Chuck as the look of America started to change and now we have a gay person with Kevin Kellar. Diversity isn't new with Archie, it's just been updated to include more diversity in races to represent today. If the show was set in the 50s, that would be a different story, but it isn't.

b-ko

Quote from: old_jughead on April 05, 2016, 09:43:46 PM
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Regardless, Archie Comics wasn't created today, and it certainly looks like if it was it would be total and utter garbage like this pilot is turning into.  If this pilot is what Archie would be if it was created today, it wouldn't be remembered tomorrow let alone 70 years from now.  If you liked the comics and characters, maybe you would actually have more of an issue with them being changed into something totally unrecognizable.


The point is Archie Comics has always been diverse right from the get-go and everyone was accepted for who they are. There were old people, young people, fat people, skinny people, ugly people, beautiful people, nerds, jocks, freckled people etc. Then over the years they added more diversity like having black characters such as Chuck as the look of America started to change and now we have a gay person with Kevin Kellar. Diversity isn't new with Archie, it's just been updated to include more diversity in races to represent today. If the show was set in the 50s, that would be a different story, but it isn't.

I specifically asked that you make an argument without the buzzword diversity right above the part you quoted.  You didn't do it.  You just repeated yourself.

If I remember correctly and you're the same person who argued about this with me in the previous forum, I think you have some higher education, right?  Use some critical thinking skills and explain yourself without using words like diverse, diversity, POC, or saying "It's 2016," "things are different now," "it's not 1950 anymore," etc. like a politician.  If your argument is sound, it should be able to stand up to that kind of scrutiny.

Personally, I don't think it stands up to scrutiny.  What we're usually talking about with this kind of stuff is ideological white guilt.  I doubt SJWs would be crying about Korean soap operas and how they need more white people in them to create "diversity."  Heck, notice how you don't care that Josie and the Pussycats were made racially singular, because white characters were changed to black.  In that case, the diversity was literally removed.  Yet, you don't care.

Not that long ago, this kind of junk would be looked down at as pandering, which it totally is.  And in the context of race, that's usually indicative of some form of racism, either witingly or not.

But let's take a closer look at some of the things you just said though:

QuoteThe point is Archie Comics has always been diverse right from the get-go and everyone was accepted for who they are. There were old people, young people, fat people, skinny people, ugly people, beautiful people, nerds, jocks, freckled people etc.

Those were all done for entertainment purposes to create character conflicts, comedy, etc.  They weren't put there to make faux-liberals feel warm and fuzzy about "diversity" like you are suggesting they were put there.

QuoteThen over the years they added more diversity like having black characters such as Chuck as the look of America started to change and now we have a gay person with Kevin Kellar. Diversity isn't new with Archie, it's just been updated to include more diversity in races to represent today. If the show was set in the 50s, that would be a different story, but it isn't.

Again, do you even read this stuff?  Black people have been in the US for hundreds of years.  It's not a new "change."  There were also other races in the US in 1950.  In fact, there were Hispanic characters in Archie Comics in the 70's.  So that brings me to my next point.  If minority characters already existed, then why does Archie Comics need to change the race of Veronica, Reggie, etc.?

And notice how they added Kevin Keller.  They didn't change other characters.  So why do they have to change those characters now?

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