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Title: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 14, 2016, 11:44:33 AM
So which do you plan to preorder for Betty & Veronica #1. Of the ones we have seen so far. I like to preorder Adam Hughes & Chip Zdarsky & Veronica Fish & Stephanie Buscema & Moritat & Ryan Sook & Ramon Perez & Mahmud Asrar. And since the covers will keep coming I add them to my list.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: spazaru on April 14, 2016, 12:29:46 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 14, 2016, 11:44:33 AM
So which do you plan to preorder for Betty & Veronica #1. Of the ones we have seen so far. I like to preorder Adam Hughes & Chip Zdarsky & Veronica Fish & Stephanie Buscema & Moritat & Ryan Sook & Ramon Perez & Mahmud Asrar. And since the covers will keep coming I add them to my list.

Probably the Buscema one
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 14, 2016, 01:06:55 PM
NONE. I'm a Classic Archie style kind of girl. Not interested in reboots  ;)
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: Great Gazoo on April 14, 2016, 01:48:26 PM
I will eventually read it on digital, but I won't purchase a copy of any of them.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 14, 2016, 06:09:54 PM
There's new covers by Genevieve F.T & Chrissie Zullo & Jenn St. Onge on www.hitfix.com that I would love to get.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: irishmoxie on April 14, 2016, 06:13:59 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 14, 2016, 06:09:54 PM
There's new covers by Genevieve F.T & Chrissie Zullo & Jenn St. Onge on www.hitfix.com (http://www.hitfix.com) that I would love to get.



Looks like you are going to get your wish BettyReggie. They sure are making a lot of variant covers. Not quite 22 but a lot. It would be nice if someone would post all the pictures of them in a thread and we could vote on them and discuss them. I would but every time I try to post an image on this site it says the image is too big.


Of the new covers on Hitflix the boxing one is cute. It's interesting to see how many artists are integrating phones in their cover art. I guess iPhone screams "teen" nowadays and it shows how "modern" Archie is now. A cell phone isn't something I usually associate with Archie. I remember the Midtown variant of Archie #1 featuring a cell phone too.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 14, 2016, 07:02:19 PM
I bet before 7/20/16 there will be about 20. Lets hope. A lot of artists want have cover of Betty & Veronica done. I can't wait. I wish I could post all on the site but now since this site changed it's hard.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: nuageo on April 14, 2016, 08:24:37 PM
15 covers:

Betty & Veronica #1 cover by Adam Hughes
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Variant cover for Betty & Veronica No. 1. Illustration: Chip Zdarsky/Archie Comics
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Variant cover for Betty & Veronica No. 1. Illustration: Veronica Fish/Archie Comics
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Variant cover for Betty & Veronica No. 1. Illustration: Stephanie Buscema/Archie Comics
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Variant cover for Betty & Veronica No. 1. Illustration: Francesco Francavilla/Archie Comics
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Variant cover for Betty & Veronica No. 1. Illustration: Cliff Chiang/Archie Comics
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"Betty & Veronica" #1 variant cover by Mahmud Asrar
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"Betty & Veronica" #1 variant cover by Robert Hack
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"Betty & Veronica" #1 variant cover by Moritat
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"Betty & Veronica" #1 variant cover by Ramon Perez
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"Betty & Veronica" #1 variant cover by Ryan Sook
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Photo Credit: Genevieve F.T./Archie Comics
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Photo Credit: Chrissie Zullo/Archie Comics
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Photo Credit: Rebekah Isaacs/Archie Comics
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Photo Credit: Jenn St. Onge/Archie Comics
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Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 14, 2016, 08:40:57 PM
Thank you for posting them.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: nuageo on April 14, 2016, 10:02:55 PM
My Top 5 Favorite:

1) Chrissie Zullo
2) Stephanie Buscema
3) Adam Hughes
4) Genevieve F.T.
5) Veronica Fish
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 14, 2016, 10:13:31 PM
I love Chrissie Zullo but shouldn't their boxing gloves be different colors, They are supposed to be fighting. Betty's gloves should be red & Veronica's be blue. With them both being red they look like a tag team not opponents. And it's odd to see Veronica wearing a ponytail. Boxing makes you sweaty. She never has her hair like that. Plus Betty is never wears 2 ponytails. It's cute though. And I like 11 out the 15 so far.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: nuageo on April 14, 2016, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 14, 2016, 07:02:19 PM
I bet before 7/20/16 there will be about 20. Lets hope. A lot of artists want have cover of Betty & Veronica done. I can't wait.

Probably 22 covers or more!  :D
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: nuageo on April 14, 2016, 11:21:54 PM
I do not know if it's true!  ???

"A sneak preview of BETTY & VERONICA # 2 by Adam Hughes"
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/6a96cf509d77c6d5f8a32fdce8025bb4/tumblr_o5n4miSc3b1sxmdmeo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 14, 2016, 11:37:14 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 14, 2016, 11:21:54 PM
I do not know if it's true!  ???

"A sneak preview of BETTY & VERONICA # 2 by Adam Hughes"
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/6a96cf509d77c6d5f8a32fdce8025bb4/tumblr_o5n4miSc3b1sxmdmeo1_1280.jpg)


Wow, okay this one is really pretty.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 01:50:52 AM
That's beautiful. I hope the comic looks like that. Betty looks gorgeous. Her hair is glowing. That's for issue #2 that looks better than issue #1.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 01:58:29 AM
If that's for issue #2 where did you find it?
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: nuageo on April 15, 2016, 02:12:19 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 01:58:29 AM
If that's for issue #2 where did you find it?

Somewhere on Twitter but I do not know if it's true!  :-\

Betty & Veronica #1 cover by Adam Hughes
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"A sneak preview of BETTY & VERONICA # 2 by Adam Hughes"
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/6a96cf509d77c6d5f8a32fdce8025bb4/tumblr_o5n4miSc3b1sxmdmeo1_1280.jpg)

Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 03:27:48 AM
Quote from: The Bee on April 14, 2016, 01:48:26 PM
I will eventually read it on digital, but I won't purchase a copy of any of them.

Just as I did with the rebooted ARCHIE and JUGHEAD, I will borrow a copy just to satisfy my curiosity. If that were not an option for me, I would just pass on it entirely, without a bit of remorse. I don't feel like the reboot is something I can cast a financial vote for, in principle. I expect it to fail, if not immediately, then eventually. I want it to fail, and as quickly as possible. If the reboot merely represented an attempt to diversify Archie as a product, I'd feel differently, but since it seems absolutely clear that it's not meant as a mere additional option, but as an intended replacement for traditional-style Archie, I'm forced to view this as an "us vs. them" situation. If the inevitable end result of that is no new stories, then I guess I'll have to settle for reprints (or possibly... back issues). On the other hand, any new material they're going to produce in the traditional style is something I will support and cast my financial vote for. I am putting my money where my mouth is, and sending ACP a clear message in the only way that's going to count, in the pocketbook.

Brutal honesty is my policy. The rebooted titles are not an acceptable substitute for the product that I REALLY want to buy from ACP; not even "better than nothing".
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 04:19:24 AM
But you got to admit B & V look gorgeous. I don't think they ever looked better. I really can't to see how he draws Archie & Reggie. I can't wait.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 07:14:52 AM
There's no question that Adam Hughes isn't going to be lacking for work opportunities in the comics industry. He'll have no problems paying his bills. Unfortunately, what it amounts to is he (and all the reboot artists) are taking work away from Fernando Ruiz, the Kennedy brothers, Jeff Shultz, Bill Galvan, and all the other artists who spent decades specializing in drawing ACP's characters in the traditional style. I'm not going to support a policy by the company that replaces the opportunity for those artists to get work, with the company's decision to reward its faithful work-for-hire freelancers by kicking them to the curb in favor of giving the work to artists from outside the company who can easily live without it.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: invisifan on April 15, 2016, 09:12:40 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 14, 2016, 10:13:31 PM
... Plus Betty is never wears 2 ponytails. It's cute though. And I like 11 out the 15 so far.
Betty's hair styles have changed many times over the years — the single ponytail is only a "recent" norm, the double-tail was common in the '60s, as seen in DCR's recent post:
(https://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/600/747159.jpg)
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: Fernando Ruiz on April 15, 2016, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 04:19:24 AM
I don't think they ever looked better.

Ugh! Isn't it possible to praise this reboot without insulting the work that has come before?

I certainly think Betty and Veronica have looked better in the hands of Bob Montana, Dan DeCarlo, and my pal, Dan Parent who drew the characters on model and with personality.


Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: irishmoxie on April 15, 2016, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 14, 2016, 11:37:14 PM
Quote from: nuageo on April 14, 2016, 11:21:54 PM
I do not know if it's true!  ???

"A sneak preview of BETTY & VERONICA # 2 by Adam Hughes"
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/6a96cf509d77c6d5f8a32fdce8025bb4/tumblr_o5n4miSc3b1sxmdmeo1_1280.jpg)


Wow, okay this one is really pretty.


Very cool. Betty has a bit of a Selena Gomez face here or maybe Baby Spice and looks younger than Veronica.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: irishmoxie on April 15, 2016, 11:40:59 AM
Even more covers!


http://panels.net/2016/04/15/exclusive-debut-betty-veronica-variant-covers/


I like the surfing, milkshake, and manga inspired ones.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 12:30:19 PM
I like Tom Brancroft & Bilquis Evely & Rian Gonzalas covers. They are all awesome. I can't wait till this because I will have so many new covers for my comic frames. I follow Rian on Twitter & asked her while if should do a cover for Betty & Veronica. I think she said I like to. So I guess here it is.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 01:02:13 PM
I love the Tula Lotay one, except Veronica has brown hair!  Who approved that? 
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, it's exciting enough to make you forget all about those people losing their jobs, isn't it?
^^^ (Potential sarcasm alert)^^^
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: irishmoxie on April 15, 2016, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 01:02:13 PM
I love the Tula Lotay one, except Veronica has brown hair!  Who approved that?


Looks like Betty has brown hair. She looks a bit like Khloe Kardashian here with the lips.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, it's exciting enough to make you forget all about those people losing their jobs, isn't it?
^^^ (Potential sarcasm alert)^^^

I embarrassed to say I don't get it, and I was raised by the most sarcastic woman I've ever met. 
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: nuageo on April 15, 2016, 03:57:32 PM
20 covers now!  8)


Tom Bancroft:
(https://7321-presscdn-0-57-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/BV1Bancroftvar.jpg)

Bilquis Evely:
(https://7321-presscdn-0-57-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/BV1Evelyvar.jpg)

Tula Lotay:
(https://7321-presscdn-0-57-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/BV1Lotayvar.jpg)

Rian Gonzalas:
(https://7321-presscdn-0-57-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/BV1Gonzalesvar.jpg)

Andy Price:
(https://7321-presscdn-0-57-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/BV1Pricevar.jpg)
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 04:13:26 PM
There is one where both Betty & Veronica are brunettes & they don't like them at all. I'll skip that one plus the one on bottom, where Betty holding the nose & Veronica holding a ax is will another one I won't get that one.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, it's exciting enough to make you forget all about those people losing their jobs, isn't it?
^^^ (Potential sarcasm alert)^^^

I embarrassed to say I don't get it, and I was raised by the most sarcastic woman I've ever met.


Seriously? You see no connection between ACP spending the company's money to hire people like Adam Hughes, and former freelancers like Ruiz, Kennedy & Kennedy, Shultz, Galvan, etc. no longer having gainful employment at the company they've worked for, for 25 years? Yesterday's news then, and let's all just move on? Nevermind how they'll manage to pay their bills? That's life, no use crying over spilt milk, it's all water under the bridge? The important thing is that we keep buying everything ACP puts out, regardless?
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: SAGG on April 15, 2016, 04:44:20 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 03:27:48 AM
Quote from: The Bee on April 14, 2016, 01:48:26 PM
I will eventually read it on digital, but I won't purchase a copy of any of them.

Just as I did with the rebooted ARCHIE and JUGHEAD, I will borrow a copy just to satisfy my curiosity. If that were not an option for me, I would just pass on it entirely, without a bit of remorse. I don't feel like the reboot is something I can cast a financial vote for, in principle. I expect it to fail, if not immediately, then eventually. I want it to fail, and as quickly as possible. If the reboot merely represented an attempt to diversify Archie as a product, I'd feel differently, but since it seems absolutely clear that it's not meant as a mere additional option, but as an intended replacement for traditional-style Archie, I'm forced to view this as an "us vs. them" situation. If the inevitable end result of that is no new stories, then I guess I'll have to settle for reprints (or possibly... back issues). On the other hand, any new material they're going to produce in the traditional style is something I will support and cast my financial vote for. I am putting my money where my mouth is, and sending ACP a clear message in the only way that's going to count, in the pocketbook.

Brutal honesty is my policy. The rebooted titles are not an acceptable substitute for the product that I REALLY want to buy from ACP; not even "better than nothing".
I like your post because I respect your principles, DR. I'll give the new ones a shot for awhile because of the curiosity factor. I DO find it interesting that you'd get a least a copy of the new B & V, and not either of the new Archie or Jughead titles. Is that an influence out of your love for DeCarlo's work, since he was the main B & V artist? :)
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 05:07:32 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, it's exciting enough to make you forget all about those people losing their jobs, isn't it?
^^^ (Potential sarcasm alert)^^^

I embarrassed to say I don't get it, and I was raised by the most sarcastic woman I've ever met.



Seriously? You see no connection between ACP spending the company's money to hire people like Adam Hughes, and former freelancers like Ruiz, Kennedy & Kennedy, Shultz, Galvan, etc. no longer having gainful employment at the company they've worked for, for 25 years? Yesterday's news then, and let's all just move on? Nevermind how they'll manage to pay their bills? That's life, no use crying over spilt milk, it's all water under the bridge? The important thing is that we keep buying everything ACP puts out, regardless?

didn't say all that DCR; I genuinely didn't get what you were saying; thanks for explaining

Of course I'm not happy with classic Archie being phased out.  However I do like the new stuff as well.  Believe me, I've been very vocal to Archie that I want more classic stuff from the artists I love.  Obviously they aren't listening.  I've tried. 

I don't buy everything ACP puts out.  I do buy some new Riverdale stuff and a lot of digests. 

Sorry I didn't get what you meant.  I don't think anyone loves Fernando, the Kennedys, Shultz, Galvan, Dan Parent, Gisele, etc any more than I do. 

I'm not going to hate on the reboots if I enjoy them.  I think they're well done.  Just my opinion.  I'd love to see classic Archie right along side them, trust me. 
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 05:52:18 PM
But seeing all these new artists do their spin on Betty & Veronica is great. Because for I discovered new artist to like. For example I never heard of Thomas Pitilli before. I liked what did the covers I asked him draw Reggie for & it turned out to be awesome.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: Mr.Lodge on April 15, 2016, 05:54:57 PM
In this one they look high like they're vaping.  ::)

Quote from: nuageo on April 14, 2016, 08:24:37 PM
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Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 06:44:36 PM
I love Chip Zdarsky's cover. It's awesome.But it's strange to see Veronica with a shorter do. Her hair has never been that short. I like it.  The one at the beach where Betty is the surfer & Veronica just dressed in a binkii. It's really nice. They look human not like a cartoon.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 07:39:26 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 06:44:36 PM
I love Chip Zdarsky's cover. It's awesome. But it's strange to see Veronica with a shorter do. Her hair has never been that short. I like it.  The one at the beach where Betty is the surfer & Veronica just dressed in a binkii. It's really nice. They look human not like a cartoon.

I like her hair like that too, and it's hard for me to imagine that a stylish girl like Veronica would never have tried her hair that way.  About time she did!
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 07:48:29 PM
These are ones I want to get. They all so different. But hopefully Monday & Tuesday we will see more added.
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Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 15, 2016, 08:20:49 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 04:19:24 AM
But you got to admit B & V look gorgeous. I don't think they ever looked better....


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Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 08:33:39 PM
I do love Dan's B & V at the bottom. I have that poster in the living room. I love Dan's & Gisele's & Fernando's Betty & Veronica. But me personally I don't like old styles of them. I got into Betty & Veronica comics in 90's.  So I'm a new school fan. I don't have any comics from 40's& 50's & 60's & 70's. It's not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: HarryLuceyFan on April 15, 2016, 08:50:00 PM
I think some of these covers are great from an artistic point of view, but I don't really see Betty or Veronica in any of them. Just a generic blonde and brunette who could just as easily be Lois Lane and Hagar the Horrible's daughter.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 16, 2016, 01:39:23 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 06:44:36 PM
it's strange to see Veronica with a shorter do. Her hair has never been that short.

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Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 16, 2016, 02:21:39 AM
Quote from: SAGG on April 15, 2016, 04:44:20 PM
I like your post because I respect your principles, DR. I'll give the new ones a shot for awhile because of the curiosity factor. I DO find it interesting that you'd get a least a copy of the new B & V, and not either of the new Archie or Jughead titles. Is that an influence out of your love for DeCarlo's work, since he was the main B & V artist? :)

I think you misunderstood what I was saying, SAGG. I will not support any of the reboot titles in the financial sense by purchasing them. I expect I will borrow a copy of the rebooted B&V (which cover variant is irrelevant) only for the purpose of satisfying my curiosity, the same as I did with the rebooted ARCHIE and JUGHEAD, which I also borrowed to read. If I can't borrow it, I won't buy it. Buying any of them would be like voting with my wallet that ACP should continue making comics in that vein, and any dollar spent on the reboot is a vote against ACP spending the company's money to give work to the classic Archie artists instead.

It's futile to support the concept of an Archie reboot in principle, regardless of how it relates to the classic Archie artists getting work with the company, and here's why: the reboot is entirely dependent for its success on courting the comic shop audience - an audience that is notoriously fickle, and furthermore an audience that has demonstrated NO love for the Archie characters in the past. Any temporary sales that ACP can manage to glean from that audience are based strictly on the novelty of the concept of putting "big name creators" to work on the Archie characters, and ACP can't possibly keep the novelty fresh enough for that audience to stick with the company's product. Look at how DC Comics alienated its faithful longtime readers with a reboot of its universe in 2011. Five years later, that company is in worse shape than it was prior to the reboot, and it's time for yet another "DC Rebirth". Now they're looking to REincorporate some of the very things they trashed as worthless in the 2011 reboot, but now it's five years later, and most of the hardcore DC addicts that they lost have moved on to other things. Novelty value doesn't last, and when the "NEW" wears off, the audience dissipates like smoke.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 16, 2016, 03:42:22 AM
Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 05:07:32 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, it's exciting enough to make you forget all about those people losing their jobs, isn't it?
^^^ (Potential sarcasm alert)^^^

I embarrassed to say I don't get it, and I was raised by the most sarcastic woman I've ever met.

Seriously? You see no connection between ACP spending the company's money to hire people like Adam Hughes, and former freelancers like Ruiz, Kennedy & Kennedy, Shultz, Galvan, etc. no longer having gainful employment at the company they've worked for, for 25 years? Yesterday's news then, and let's all just move on? Nevermind how they'll manage to pay their bills? That's life, no use crying over spilt milk, it's all water under the bridge? The important thing is that we keep buying everything ACP puts out, regardless?

didn't say all that DCR; I genuinely didn't get what you were saying; thanks for explaining

Of course I'm not happy with classic Archie being phased out.  However I do like the new stuff as well.  Believe me, I've been very vocal to Archie that I want more classic stuff from the artists I love.  Obviously they aren't listening.  I've tried. 

I don't buy everything ACP puts out.  I do buy some new Riverdale stuff and a lot of digests. 

Sorry I didn't get what you meant.  I don't think anyone loves Fernando, the Kennedys, Shultz, Galvan, Dan Parent, Gisele, etc any more than I do. 

I'm not going to hate on the reboots if I enjoy them.  I think they're well done.  Just my opinion.  I'd love to see classic Archie right along side them, trust me.

This has nothing to do with hating on Mark Waid, Fiona Staples, Chip Zdarksy, Erica Henderson, or Adam Hughes. They aren't culpable of anything here. I've enjoyed the work of Waid, Zdarsky, and Hughes on other comics, and will continue to do so. ACP is hiring them to do a job to the best of their ability, the same as they would do with any of a half-dozen other comic book companies that have hired them to do work in the past, and will most likely continue to do in the future. It's a shame that it comes down to an either/or proposition, but make no mistake, that's exactly what it is. It's the Powers-That-Be at ACP who are the bad guys here. ACP has chosen to devote its limited fiscal resources to hiring the reboot creators, and in order to do so, it's necessary for them to reduce the work available to those ACP freelance alumni who have devoted 25+ years to writing and drawing for the company to zero (Dan Parent being the sole exception to the ax). Fernando Ruiz' devoting 25 years of his career as a creator at the company meant less than nothing to those in charge, and they could not even be bothered to level with him, face-to-face, about the situation as it exists. That's what makes any financial vote FOR the reboot a vote, by default, AGAINST new stories by classic Archie creators. If the reboot is turning out to be successful, then that is where the PTB at ACP are going to continue to throw their limited resources, NOT at the creation of new classic Archie stories by veteran creators.

The thing you need to realize is that all of the ACP alumni creators are specialists who have spent decades honing their talents in one particular vein of cartooning. Most of them have devoted nearly the entirety of their careers to working ONLY for ACP, not the half-dozen different outfits that those big-name reboot creators have. If they are to start submitting samples at other companies trying to get work, it's as if they're starting their careers all over again at the bottom rung of the ladder, since Archie & Friends is the only pro work that they're known for. About the best that can be said is that due to the number of pages they've worked on professionally, an editor for another company can probably rest easy in the knowledge that they can deliver the work on time. But there's a large question of style. If there's a new Batman or Spider-Man spinoff title starting up, how is Fernando Ruiz' previous resume helping him get that job? And believe me, Fernando is probably in a better position, regarding the versatility of his style, than guys like Jeff Shultz or Bill Galvan (and that's no insult to them either, it's just that they're both very good at a particular kind of style that doesn't happen to be in high demand at other publishers). So tell me who suffers most if they don't get the work from ACP, the Mark Waids and Adam Hugheses, or the guys known nearly exclusively for their work on ACP's characters?
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: SAGG on April 16, 2016, 03:46:58 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 16, 2016, 02:21:39 AM
Quote from: SAGG on April 15, 2016, 04:44:20 PM
I like your post because I respect your principles, DR. I'll give the new ones a shot for awhile because of the curiosity factor. I DO find it interesting that you'd get a least a copy of the new B & V, and not either of the new Archie or Jughead titles. Is that an influence out of your love for DeCarlo's work, since he was the main B & V artist? :)

I think you misunderstood what I was saying, SAGG. I will not support any of the reboot titles in the financial sense by purchasing them. I expect I will borrow a copy of the rebooted B&V (which cover variant is irrelevant) only for the purpose of satisfying my curiosity, the same as I did with the rebooted ARCHIE and JUGHEAD, which I also borrowed to read. If I can't borrow it, I won't buy it. Buying any of them would be like voting with my wallet that ACP should continue making comics in that vein, and any dollar spent on the reboot is a vote against ACP spending the company's money to give work to the classic Archie artists instead.

It's futile to support the concept of an Archie reboot in principle, regardless of how it relates to the classic Archie artists getting work with the company, and here's why: the reboot is entirely dependent for its success on courting the comic shop audience - an audience that is notoriously fickle, and furthermore an audience that has demonstrated NO love for the Archie characters in the past. Any temporary sales that ACP can manage to glean from that audience are based strictly on the novelty of the concept of putting "big name creators" to work on the Archie characters, and ACP can't possibly keep the novelty fresh enough for that audience to stick with the company's product. Look at how DC Comics alienated its faithful longtime readers with a reboot of its universe in 2011. Five years later, that company is in worse shape than it was prior to the reboot, and it's time for yet another "DC Rebirth". Now they're looking to REincorporate some of the very things they trashed as worthless in the 2011 reboot, but now it's five years later, and most of the hardcore DC addicts that they lost have moved on to other things. Novelty value doesn't last, and when the "NEW" wears off, the audience dissipates like smoke.
Ah, now I see. I apologize for assuming something else, DR...
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 16, 2016, 05:29:27 AM
To summarize:

1) "Classic Archie" in the form of reprints (in digests and/or digitally) will always be around in some form. The company owns them, they are already paid for.

2) Regarding NEW stories which cost the company money to produce, you are being asked to choose, whether you admit to this or not, between the New Riverdale/Archie Horror and Classic Archie. The latter has been reduced to, currently, 240 pages per year (or 20 per month, on average) exclusively by Dan Parent, and appearing in the 6 Archie digest titles. I can't really estimate the combined pages of the former, but assuming at least one of those titles appears per month, then it's 22 pages, so they're already producing more new "non-Classic Archie" stories than they are new Classic Archie stories. When the Archie Horror titles eventually return, then it will be more than 22 pages per month, on average, with the addition of the rebooted B&V title, as well.

3) If you want MORE new "non-Classic Archie" stories, then continue to buy those titles. Now, the unfortunate thing here is that since Dan Parent's Classic Archie stories are appearing exclusive in the mainly-reprint digests, there's really no way for ACP to know how many copies of the digest sales are attributable to Dan's new Classic Archie stories. But you can bet that increased sales on the "non-Classic Archie" titles isn't going to result in ACP commissioning more work from Dan Parent or any of the other former Classic Archie freelancers. If the New Riverdale/Archie Horror titles are NOT successful, then new Classic Archie stories by Dan Parent or the other former freelancers may be the only option left. Or no new Archie stories, whatsoever, only reprints. You can only be sure that continued sales of non-Classic Archie will lead to more new non-Classic Archie stories. Whichever you choose; you won't get both, however.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: Fernando Ruiz on April 16, 2016, 08:12:07 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 16, 2016, 03:42:22 AM

The thing you need to realize is that all of the ACP alumni creators are specialists who have spent decades honing their talents in one particular vein of cartooning. Most of them have devoted nearly the entirety of their careers to working ONLY for ACP, not the half-dozen different outfits that those big-name reboot creators have.

We sure did... and, Brother! Was THAT a mistake!

Well, I can do do commissions for fans who want the characters drawn the way they're supposed to look like.


Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: spazaru on April 16, 2016, 08:32:42 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 16, 2016, 03:42:22 AM
Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 05:07:32 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, it's exciting enough to make you forget all about those people losing their jobs, isn't it?
^^^ (Potential sarcasm alert)^^^

I embarrassed to say I don't get it, and I was raised by the most sarcastic woman I've ever met.

Seriously? You see no connection between ACP spending the company's money to hire people like Adam Hughes, and former freelancers like Ruiz, Kennedy & Kennedy, Shultz, Galvan, etc. no longer having gainful employment at the company they've worked for, for 25 years? Yesterday's news then, and let's all just move on? Nevermind how they'll manage to pay their bills? That's life, no use crying over spilt milk, it's all water under the bridge? The important thing is that we keep buying everything ACP puts out, regardless?

didn't say all that DCR; I genuinely didn't get what you were saying; thanks for explaining

Of course I'm not happy with classic Archie being phased out.  However I do like the new stuff as well.  Believe me, I've been very vocal to Archie that I want more classic stuff from the artists I love.  Obviously they aren't listening.  I've tried. 

I don't buy everything ACP puts out.  I do buy some new Riverdale stuff and a lot of digests. 

Sorry I didn't get what you meant.  I don't think anyone loves Fernando, the Kennedys, Shultz, Galvan, Dan Parent, Gisele, etc any more than I do. 

I'm not going to hate on the reboots if I enjoy them.  I think they're well done.  Just my opinion.  I'd love to see classic Archie right along side them, trust me.

This has nothing to do with hating on Mark Waid, Fiona Staples, Chip Zdarksy, Erica Henderson, or Adam Hughes. They aren't culpable of anything here. I've enjoyed the work of Waid, Zdarsky, and Hughes on other comics, and will continue to do so. ACP is hiring them to do a job to the best of their ability, the same as they would do with any of a half-dozen other comic book companies that have hired them to do work in the past, and will most likely continue to do in the future. It's a shame that it comes down to an either/or proposition, but make no mistake, that's exactly what it is. It's the Powers-That-Be at ACP who are the bad guys here. ACP has chosen to devote its limited fiscal resources to hiring the reboot creators, and in order to do so, it's necessary for them to reduce the work available to those ACP freelance alumni who have devoted 25+ years to writing and drawing for the company to zero (Dan Parent being the sole exception to the ax). Fernando Ruiz' devoting 25 years of his career as a creator at the company meant less than nothing to those in charge, and they could not even be bothered to level with him, face-to-face, about the situation as it exists. That's what makes any financial vote FOR the reboot a vote, by default, AGAINST new stories by classic Archie creators. If the reboot is turning out to be successful, then that is where the PTB at ACP are going to continue to throw their limited resources, NOT at the creation of new classic Archie stories by veteran creators.

The thing you need to realize is that all of the ACP alumni creators are specialists who have spent decades honing their talents in one particular vein of cartooning. Most of them have devoted nearly the entirety of their careers to working ONLY for ACP, not the half-dozen different outfits that those big-name reboot creators have. If they are to start submitting samples at other companies trying to get work, it's as if they're starting their careers all over again at the bottom rung of the ladder, since Archie & Friends is the only pro work that they're known for. About the best that can be said is that due to the number of pages they've worked on professionally, an editor for another company can probably rest easy in the knowledge that they can deliver the work on time. But there's a large question of style. If there's a new Batman or Spider-Man spinoff title starting up, how is Fernando Ruiz' previous resume helping him get that job? And believe me, Fernando is probably in a better position, regarding the versatility of his style, than guys like Jeff Shultz or Bill Galvan (and that's no insult to them either, it's just that they're both very good at a particular kind of style that doesn't happen to be in high demand at other publishers). So tell me who suffers most if they don't get the work from ACP, the Mark Waids and Adam Hugheses, or the guys known nearly exclusively for their work on ACP's characters?


I'm not interested in arguing, DCR.  I appreciate your comments and I agree with a lot of them. 
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 16, 2016, 09:57:47 AM
I hope that Fiona Staples does a cover. Her Betty on Archie #2 is awesome. And other thing I can't wait to see their new logo. I guess we will also get a blank cover too .
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 16, 2016, 09:17:35 PM
🌹 💐 🍁 🌾 🌴 I  just can't wait for Betty & Veronica #1. It's going to be great. I posted a picture on my Twitter page with last issue of theirs. I post the same picture of it every 30 days are so. And I'll keep a time line too . Today it's days away. I'll post the picture again Twitter on May 15. That's 30 Days .
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: daren on April 17, 2016, 04:14:16 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, it's exciting enough to make you forget all about those people losing their jobs, isn't it?
^^^ (Potential sarcasm alert)^^^

I embarrassed to say I don't get it, and I was raised by the most sarcastic woman I've ever met.

Seriously? You see no connection between ACP spending the company's money to hire people like Adam Hughes, and former freelancers like Ruiz, Kennedy & Kennedy, Shultz, Galvan, etc. no longer having gainful employment at the company they've worked for, for 25 years? Yesterday's news then, and let's all just move on? Nevermind how they'll manage to pay their bills? That's life, no use crying over spilt milk, it's all water under the bridge? The important thing is that we keep buying everything ACP puts out, regardless?


ACP was wrong to fire Fernando and most of the rest because they were shouldn't have dropped the classic Archie style, not because they're obliged to keep them afloat.


And man you're guilting spazaru, a guy so principled he won't buy Archie books bound by exploited factory workers in Asia, for buying the reboot because boycotting it might very very slightly increase the chance of ACP rehiring their old artists, skilled abled Americans all? Even though the best one has said he doesn't want to work there anymore? I don't know, that seems a little backward. I lost my own job last month and it hasn't been easy, my new job is much crappier than my old one but thank God I have any job and live in a country with a huge safety net. I wish all the ex Archie employees luck especially Fernando but I'm sure they can take care of themselves and anything I say against their work being cut is only because I want to see more of it.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: spazaru on April 17, 2016, 04:40:43 PM
Quote from: daren on April 17, 2016, 04:14:16 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, it's exciting enough to make you forget all about those people losing their jobs, isn't it?
^^^ (Potential sarcasm alert)^^^

I embarrassed to say I don't get it, and I was raised by the most sarcastic woman I've ever met.

Seriously? You see no connection between ACP spending the company's money to hire people like Adam Hughes, and former freelancers like Ruiz, Kennedy & Kennedy, Shultz, Galvan, etc. no longer having gainful employment at the company they've worked for, for 25 years? Yesterday's news then, and let's all just move on? Nevermind how they'll manage to pay their bills? That's life, no use crying over spilt milk, it's all water under the bridge? The important thing is that we keep buying everything ACP puts out, regardless?


ACP was wrong to fire Fernando and most of the rest because they were shouldn't have dropped the classic Archie style, not because they're obliged to keep them afloat.


And man you're guilting spazaru, a guy so principled he won't buy Archie books bound by exploited factory workers in Asia, for buying the reboot because boycotting it might very very slightly increase the chance of ACP rehiring their old artists, skilled abled Americans all? Even though the best one has said he doesn't want to work there anymore? I don't know, that seems a little backward. I lost my own job last month and it hasn't been easy, my new job is much crappier than my old one but thank God I have any job and live in a country with a huge safety net. I wish all the ex Archie employees luck especially Fernando but I'm sure they can take care of themselves and anything I say against their work being cut is only because I want to see more of it.


I don't know if all that principled on everything, Daren, but on luxuries that I don't need, I try to be.  Anyway, you have a good memory! 
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 17, 2016, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: daren on April 17, 2016, 04:14:16 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, it's exciting enough to make you forget all about those people losing their jobs, isn't it?
^^^ (Potential sarcasm alert)^^^

I embarrassed to say I don't get it, and I was raised by the most sarcastic woman I've ever met.

Seriously? You see no connection between ACP spending the company's money to hire people like Adam Hughes, and former freelancers like Ruiz, Kennedy & Kennedy, Shultz, Galvan, etc. no longer having gainful employment at the company they've worked for, for 25 years? Yesterday's news then, and let's all just move on? Nevermind how they'll manage to pay their bills? That's life, no use crying over spilt milk, it's all water under the bridge? The important thing is that we keep buying everything ACP puts out, regardless?

ACP was wrong to fire Fernando and most of the rest because they were shouldn't have dropped the classic Archie style, not because they're obliged to keep them afloat.

And man you're guilting spazaru, a guy so principled he won't buy Archie books bound by exploited factory workers in Asia, for buying the reboot because boycotting it might very very slightly increase the chance of ACP rehiring their old artists, skilled abled Americans all? Even though the best one has said he doesn't want to work there anymore? I don't know, that seems a little backward. I lost my own job last month and it hasn't been easy, my new job is much crappier than my old one but thank God I have any job and live in a country with a huge safety net. I wish all the ex Archie employees luck especially Fernando but I'm sure they can take care of themselves and anything I say against their work being cut is only because I want to see more of it.

Well, if you're buying the reboot comics, basically the message you're sending back to ACP is that "Yes, you made the right decision. You are correct, this is the kind of Archie Comics stories I would like to see ACP publishing, going forward into the future." You know, as opposed to new stories from the other guys. So even though I'm condemning their business practices as far as how they repay years of service from the people that made the company what it is (in terms of creative output), I'm also condemning their aesthetic judgment concerning what type of stories are best for these characters that they own going forward as publishers. How else can I say this plainly? To me, the rebooted titles ARE JUST NOT ARCHIE. They are totally lacking in any of the unique qualities that make me want to read Archie Comics in the first place. In short, they are just like any other comics that any other publisher could (and would) put out. Except somewhat more boring, in terms of subject material.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: daren on April 17, 2016, 05:14:07 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 17, 2016, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: daren on April 17, 2016, 04:14:16 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, it's exciting enough to make you forget all about those people losing their jobs, isn't it?
^^^ (Potential sarcasm alert)^^^

I embarrassed to say I don't get it, and I was raised by the most sarcastic woman I've ever met.

Seriously? You see no connection between ACP spending the company's money to hire people like Adam Hughes, and former freelancers like Ruiz, Kennedy & Kennedy, Shultz, Galvan, etc. no longer having gainful employment at the company they've worked for, for 25 years? Yesterday's news then, and let's all just move on? Nevermind how they'll manage to pay their bills? That's life, no use crying over spilt milk, it's all water under the bridge? The important thing is that we keep buying everything ACP puts out, regardless?

ACP was wrong to fire Fernando and most of the rest because they were shouldn't have dropped the classic Archie style, not because they're obliged to keep them afloat.

And man you're guilting spazaru, a guy so principled he won't buy Archie books bound by exploited factory workers in Asia, for buying the reboot because boycotting it might very very slightly increase the chance of ACP rehiring their old artists, skilled abled Americans all? Even though the best one has said he doesn't want to work there anymore? I don't know, that seems a little backward. I lost my own job last month and it hasn't been easy, my new job is much crappier than my old one but thank God I have any job and live in a country with a huge safety net. I wish all the ex Archie employees luck especially Fernando but I'm sure they can take care of themselves and anything I say against their work being cut is only because I want to see more of it.

Well, if you're buying the reboot comics, basically the message you're sending back to ACP is that "Yes, you made the right decision. You are correct, this is the kind of Archie Comics stories I would like to see ACP publishing, going forward into the future." You know, as opposed to new stories from the other guys. So even though I'm condemning their business practices as far as how they repay years of service from the people that made the company what it is (in terms of creative output), I'm also condemning their aesthetic judgment concerning what type of stories are best for these characters that they own going forward as publishers. How else can I say this plainly? To me, the rebooted titles ARE JUST NOT ARCHIE. They are totally lacking in any of the unique qualities that make me want to read Archie Comics in the first place. In short, they are just like any other comics that any other publisher could (and would) put out. Except somewhat more boring, in terms of subject material.


Yeah the reboot is just a novelty but it's entertaining for what it is and at this point if it fails it seems very unlikely ACP will interpret it as reason to bring back classic Archie, they'll just try another new thing like Disney style art. Fernando said in another post that they've told him they believe a classic Archie 32 won't sell. The best way to get those artists back with Archie or another company where they can do Archie style art is to support their independent projects. Like you do in other threads.




Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 17, 2016, 05:27:20 PM
Quote from: daren on April 17, 2016, 05:14:07 PM

Yeah the reboot is just a novelty but it's entertaining for what it is and at this point if it fails it seems very unlikely ACP will interpret it as reason to bring back classic Archie, they'll just try another new thing like Disney style art. Fernando said in another post that they've told him they believe a classic Archie 32 won't sell. The best way to get those artists back with Archie or another company where they can do Archie style art is to support their independent projects. Like you do in other threads.


And yes, I'm following those creators whose work I enjoy into other similar ventures. The reboot may be entertaining to you. It isn't to me. I like (even, on specific occasions, love) some of the things that Mark Waid does; some other things he works on... 'eh, not so much'. The Archie reboot is definitely in the latter category. I like Adam Hughes art quite a bit, but that doesn't change my opinion that he's wasting his talent doing a Betty and Veronica comic (and that's not even having seen it yet). There are a dozen things I could think of for him to work on that would interest me more. If it's a question of "if this fails, then it's all over", then I'm still unmoved to purchase.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: daren on April 17, 2016, 05:34:59 PM
I don't think the reboot will keep Archie in business but boycotting it wont make a difference either. If you don't like it I don't blame you for not buying it, I just do not see a moral issue about it.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 17, 2016, 05:52:01 PM
Quote from: daren on April 17, 2016, 05:34:59 PM
I don't think the reboot will keep Archie in business but boycotting it wont make a difference either. If you don't like it I don't blame you for not buying it, I just do not see a moral issue about it.


I have a slight interest in the way Jughead's being written, but I have to balance that against having artwork that just really doesn't enhance the better qualities of the writing in any way (but at least I can see that Zdarsky is using classic Jughead stories as touchstones). I really do wish it was funnier, but the art isn't helping bring that out.


I keep hoping that the PTB will recognize that they're trashing almost everything (those Zdarsky touchstones excluded) that make Archie Comics unique, fun, and worthwhile, different and a breath of fresh air, instead of "OK, we give up. We'll do it the same way that the other publishers do to make it palatable for the comic shops." But I guess maybe not. It really doesn't matter if they fold in 6 months or 5 years, I guess. I just hope that they manage to get Gisele's Archie Meets Ramones out before the final collapse. Then it's all "Back issues, ahoy!" for me, at least until IDW or Dark Horse buys up the characters.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: daren on April 17, 2016, 06:43:12 PM
I like Erica's art better than Chip's writing, too many dream sequences now.


I don't know what ACP is thinking of right now either.  :P 
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 17, 2016, 09:44:10 PM
I'm really hoping they add more variants. I think they will. I will keep looking for any news about it.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 18, 2016, 04:15:55 PM
There's 4 more covers at the www.marysue.com
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: nuageo on April 18, 2016, 05:28:15 PM
24 covers now!  :)
Will Betty and Veronica will be more popular than Archie?


Erica Henderson
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Colleen Coover
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Alitha Martinez with Kelly Fitzpatrick
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Audrey Mok
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Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 18, 2016, 06:03:03 PM
I love the one with them on the bikes. It's the best out of the 4 that just came out.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: spazaru on April 18, 2016, 06:41:09 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 18, 2016, 06:03:03 PM
I love the one with them on the bikes. It's the best out of the 4 that just came out.

I agree with you pretty much, but I think Ronnie looks best in the one with the car
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 18, 2016, 08:20:47 PM
Quote from: HarryLuceyFan on April 15, 2016, 08:50:00 PM
I think some of these covers are great from an artistic point of view, but I don't really see Betty or Veronica in any of them. Just a generic blonde and brunette who could just as easily be Lois Lane and Hagar the Horrible's daughter.


So true!
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 18, 2016, 09:15:28 PM
I pray & hope there's more covers.  I really think we be really happy that this comic has come out.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: irishmoxie on April 19, 2016, 01:55:25 AM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 18, 2016, 06:03:03 PM
I love the one with them on the bikes. It's the best out of the 4 that just came out.

They look pretty on the bike one. The art reminds me of the Barbie animation.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 19, 2016, 09:00:49 AM
I really hope they add more variants. That would make me really happy. There's definitely some artists that happened yet. I hope Thomas Pitilli & Fiona Staples do one.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 19, 2016, 10:34:57 AM
At www.archiecomics.com there's a page all the covers but they didn't show the Blank Cover. I really want know how their new logo is going like.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 19, 2016, 04:35:49 PM
I counted 20 I like . And I'll skip the Blank one because I have 6 commissions already.I don't need any more.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: irishmoxie on April 19, 2016, 05:05:49 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on April 19, 2016, 10:34:57 AM
At www.archiecomics.com (http://www.archiecomics.com) there's a page all the covers but they didn't show the Blank Cover. I really want know how their new logo is going like.


Hopefully archiecomics.com sells them all in a set like they did with Archie #1.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 19, 2016, 06:19:10 PM
They've done so many cover variants at this point, that they ought to just make a set of trading cards out of them. I'm sure they could do a 150-200 card set with no problem. Of course, if they did, I'm sure they would probably then commission some NEW art for variant randomly-packed "chase cards" which would be distributed in limited numbers per box and per carton. That's pretty much how the trading card business works.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 19, 2016, 06:34:08 PM
I'm surprised we didn't see s cover from Marguerite Sauvage. She did 2 beautiful covers for the Archie reboot. What about J. Campbell Scott & Tania Del Rio & Faith Erin Hicks & Sanford Greene & Michael Gaydos & Fiona Staples & Joe Eisma. I hope these people do cover #2.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: GingerGal on April 21, 2016, 02:59:03 PM
The one I like the most has the boxing theme.
Title: Re: So which ones of B & V #1 Do you plan to get?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 28, 2016, 08:52:53 AM
I just noticed that Chip Zdarsky has done a cover for Archie #1 & Jughead #1 now Betty & Veronica #1. I just put both his Archie cover & Jughead cover on my wall. I can't wait for his B & V #1 cover. Too bad it wasn't yellow like theirs. I wonder if there was ever a Reggie #1 would he do a cover? I hope so.