There is one where both Betty & Veronica are brunettes & they don't like them at all. I'll skip that one plus the one on bottom, where Betty holding the nose & Veronica holding a ax is will another one I won't get that one.

Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 03:49:06 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, it's exciting enough to make you forget all about those people losing their jobs, isn't it?
^^^ (Potential sarcasm alert)^^^

I embarrassed to say I don't get it, and I was raised by the most sarcastic woman I've ever met.

Seriously? You see no connection between ACP spending the company's money to hire people like Adam Hughes, and former freelancers like Ruiz, Kennedy & Kennedy, Shultz, Galvan, etc. no longer having gainful employment at the company they've worked for, for 25 years? Yesterday's news then, and let's all just move on? Nevermind how they'll manage to pay their bills? That's life, no use crying over spilt milk, it's all water under the bridge? The important thing is that we keep buying everything ACP puts out, regardless?

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 03:27:48 AM

Quote from: The Bee on April 14, 2016, 01:48:26 PM
I will eventually read it on digital, but I won't purchase a copy of any of them.

Just as I did with the rebooted ARCHIE and JUGHEAD, I will borrow a copy just to satisfy my curiosity. If that were not an option for me, I would just pass on it entirely, without a bit of remorse. I don't feel like the reboot is something I can cast a financial vote for, in principle. I expect it to fail, if not immediately, then eventually. I want it to fail, and as quickly as possible. If the reboot merely represented an attempt to diversify Archie as a product, I'd feel differently, but since it seems absolutely clear that it's not meant as a mere additional option, but as an intended replacement for traditional-style Archie, I'm forced to view this as an "us vs. them" situation. If the inevitable end result of that is no new stories, then I guess I'll have to settle for reprints (or possibly... back issues). On the other hand, any new material they're going to produce in the traditional style is something I will support and cast my financial vote for. I am putting my money where my mouth is, and sending ACP a clear message in the only way that's going to count, in the pocketbook.

Brutal honesty is my policy. The rebooted titles are not an acceptable substitute for the product that I REALLY want to buy from ACP; not even "better than nothing".

I like your post because I respect your principles, DR. I'll give the new ones a shot for awhile because of the curiosity factor. I DO find it interesting that you'd get a least a copy of the new B & V, and not either of the new Archie or Jughead titles. Is that an influence out of your love for DeCarlo's work, since he was the main B & V artist?

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 04:21:23 PM

Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 03:49:06 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, it's exciting enough to make you forget all about those people losing their jobs, isn't it?
^^^ (Potential sarcasm alert)^^^

I embarrassed to say I don't get it, and I was raised by the most sarcastic woman I've ever met.

Seriously? You see no connection between ACP spending the company's money to hire people like Adam Hughes, and former freelancers like Ruiz, Kennedy & Kennedy, Shultz, Galvan, etc. no longer having gainful employment at the company they've worked for, for 25 years? Yesterday's news then, and let's all just move on? Nevermind how they'll manage to pay their bills? That's life, no use crying over spilt milk, it's all water under the bridge? The important thing is that we keep buying everything ACP puts out, regardless?

didn't say all that DCR; I genuinely didn't get what you were saying; thanks for explaining

Of course I'm not happy with classic Archie being phased out.  However I do like the new stuff as well.  Believe me, I've been very vocal to Archie that I want more classic stuff from the artists I love.  Obviously they aren't listening.  I've tried. 

I don't buy everything ACP puts out.  I do buy some new Riverdale stuff and a lot of digests. 

Sorry I didn't get what you meant.  I don't think anyone loves Fernando, the Kennedys, Shultz, Galvan, Dan Parent, Gisele, etc any more than I do. 

I'm not going to hate on the reboots if I enjoy them.  I think they're well done.  Just my opinion.  I'd love to see classic Archie right along side them, trust me. 

But seeing all these new artists do their spin on Betty & Veronica is great. Because for I discovered new artist to like. For example I never heard of Thomas Pitilli before. I liked what did the covers I asked him draw Reggie for & it turned out to be awesome.

In this one they look high like they're vaping. 

Quote from: nuageo on April 14, 2016, 08:24:37 PM

I love Chip Zdarsky's cover. It's awesome.But it's strange to see Veronica with a shorter do. Her hair has never been that short. I like it.  The one at the beach where Betty is the surfer & Veronica just dressed in a binkii. It's really nice. They look human not like a cartoon.

Quote from: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 06:44:36 PM
I love Chip Zdarsky's cover. It's awesome. But it's strange to see Veronica with a shorter do. Her hair has never been that short. I like it.  The one at the beach where Betty is the surfer & Veronica just dressed in a binkii. It's really nice. They look human not like a cartoon.

I like her hair like that too, and it's hard for me to imagine that a stylish girl like Veronica would never have tried her hair that way.  About time she did!

These are ones I want to get. They all so different. But hopefully Monday & Tuesday we will see more added.
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Quote from: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 04:19:24 AM
But you got to admit B & V look gorgeous. I don't think they ever looked better....

I do love Dan's B & V at the bottom. I have that poster in the living room. I love Dan's & Gisele's & Fernando's Betty & Veronica. But me personally I don't like old styles of them. I got into Betty & Veronica comics in 90's.  So I'm a new school fan. I don't have any comics from 40's& 50's & 60's & 70's. It's not my cup of tea.

I think some of these covers are great from an artistic point of view, but I don't really see Betty or Veronica in any of them. Just a generic blonde and brunette who could just as easily be Lois Lane and Hagar the Horrible's daughter.

Quote from: BettyReggie on April 15, 2016, 06:44:36 PM
it's strange to see Veronica with a shorter do. Her hair has never been that short.

Quote from: SAGG on April 15, 2016, 04:44:20 PM
I like your post because I respect your principles, DR. I'll give the new ones a shot for awhile because of the curiosity factor. I DO find it interesting that you'd get a least a copy of the new B & V, and not either of the new Archie or Jughead titles. Is that an influence out of your love for DeCarlo's work, since he was the main B & V artist?

I think you misunderstood what I was saying, SAGG. I will not support any of the reboot titles in the financial sense by purchasing them. I expect I will borrow a copy of the rebooted B&V (which cover variant is irrelevant) only for the purpose of satisfying my curiosity, the same as I did with the rebooted ARCHIE and JUGHEAD, which I also borrowed to read. If I can't borrow it, I won't buy it. Buying any of them would be like voting with my wallet that ACP should continue making comics in that vein, and any dollar spent on the reboot is a vote against ACP spending the company's money to give work to the classic Archie artists instead.

It's futile to support the concept of an Archie reboot in principle, regardless of how it relates to the classic Archie artists getting work with the company, and here's why: the reboot is entirely dependent for its success on courting the comic shop audience - an audience that is notoriously fickle, and furthermore an audience that has demonstrated NO love for the Archie characters in the past. Any temporary sales that ACP can manage to glean from that audience are based strictly on the novelty of the concept of putting "big name creators" to work on the Archie characters, and ACP can't possibly keep the novelty fresh enough for that audience to stick with the company's product. Look at how DC Comics alienated its faithful longtime readers with a reboot of its universe in 2011. Five years later, that company is in worse shape than it was prior to the reboot, and it's time for yet another "DC Rebirth". Now they're looking to REincorporate some of the very things they trashed as worthless in the 2011 reboot, but now it's five years later, and most of the hardcore DC addicts that they lost have moved on to other things. Novelty value doesn't last, and when the "NEW" wears off, the audience dissipates like smoke.

Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 05:07:32 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 04:21:23 PM

Quote from: spazaru on April 15, 2016, 03:49:06 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, it's exciting enough to make you forget all about those people losing their jobs, isn't it?
^^^ (Potential sarcasm alert)^^^

I embarrassed to say I don't get it, and I was raised by the most sarcastic woman I've ever met.

Seriously? You see no connection between ACP spending the company's money to hire people like Adam Hughes, and former freelancers like Ruiz, Kennedy & Kennedy, Shultz, Galvan, etc. no longer having gainful employment at the company they've worked for, for 25 years? Yesterday's news then, and let's all just move on? Nevermind how they'll manage to pay their bills? That's life, no use crying over spilt milk, it's all water under the bridge? The important thing is that we keep buying everything ACP puts out, regardless?

didn't say all that DCR; I genuinely didn't get what you were saying; thanks for explaining

Of course I'm not happy with classic Archie being phased out.  However I do like the new stuff as well.  Believe me, I've been very vocal to Archie that I want more classic stuff from the artists I love.  Obviously they aren't listening.  I've tried. 

I don't buy everything ACP puts out.  I do buy some new Riverdale stuff and a lot of digests. 

Sorry I didn't get what you meant.  I don't think anyone loves Fernando, the Kennedys, Shultz, Galvan, Dan Parent, Gisele, etc any more than I do. 

I'm not going to hate on the reboots if I enjoy them.  I think they're well done.  Just my opinion.  I'd love to see classic Archie right along side them, trust me.

This has nothing to do with hating on Mark Waid, Fiona Staples, Chip Zdarksy, Erica Henderson, or Adam Hughes. They aren't culpable of anything here. I've enjoyed the work of Waid, Zdarsky, and Hughes on other comics, and will continue to do so. ACP is hiring them to do a job to the best of their ability, the same as they would do with any of a half-dozen other comic book companies that have hired them to do work in the past, and will most likely continue to do in the future. It's a shame that it comes down to an either/or proposition, but make no mistake, that's exactly what it is. It's the Powers-That-Be at ACP who are the bad guys here. ACP has chosen to devote its limited fiscal resources to hiring the reboot creators, and in order to do so, it's necessary for them to reduce the work available to those ACP freelance alumni who have devoted 25+ years to writing and drawing for the company to zero (Dan Parent being the sole exception to the ax). Fernando Ruiz' devoting 25 years of his career as a creator at the company meant less than nothing to those in charge, and they could not even be bothered to level with him, face-to-face, about the situation as it exists. That's what makes any financial vote FOR the reboot a vote, by default, AGAINST new stories by classic Archie creators. If the reboot is turning out to be successful, then that is where the PTB at ACP are going to continue to throw their limited resources, NOT at the creation of new classic Archie stories by veteran creators.

The thing you need to realize is that all of the ACP alumni creators are specialists who have spent decades honing their talents in one particular vein of cartooning. Most of them have devoted nearly the entirety of their careers to working ONLY for ACP, not the half-dozen different outfits that those big-name reboot creators have. If they are to start submitting samples at other companies trying to get work, it's as if they're starting their careers all over again at the bottom rung of the ladder, since Archie & Friends is the only pro work that they're known for. About the best that can be said is that due to the number of pages they've worked on professionally, an editor for another company can probably rest easy in the knowledge that they can deliver the work on time. But there's a large question of style. If there's a new Batman or Spider-Man spinoff title starting up, how is Fernando Ruiz' previous resume helping him get that job? And believe me, Fernando is probably in a better position, regarding the versatility of his style, than guys like Jeff Shultz or Bill Galvan (and that's no insult to them either, it's just that they're both very good at a particular kind of style that doesn't happen to be in high demand at other publishers). So tell me who suffers most if they don't get the work from ACP, the Mark Waids and Adam Hugheses, or the guys known nearly exclusively for their work on ACP's characters?