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Started by terrence12, July 06, 2017, 12:32:40 pm

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terrence12

Look, This maybe considered a weird theory but here goes,You know the Archie Reboot that's been ongoing since 2015,I was thinking suppose if the writers run out of ideas for the reboot and that the characters will keep on evolving throughout the years ,I have a feeling in about few years,The Archie reboot will end and will end with the characters graduating and will have an epilogue showing their new lives though It will probably never show who Archie is married to.


Then there will be another reboot to the Archie Comics series probably about going back to the Classic roots or something new with new designs.I mean, I understand there are new writers who are going to take over the title but I  still think that those writers will probably run out of Ideas since the characters will evolve through time and then they will end this era while creating a new one.


Am I right ? Will the Archie reboot end in about few years and replace with a new reboot?

DeCarlo Rules

What makes you think they're waiting for New Riverdale ARCHIE to end before rebooting again? Half an "UNboot" is still a form of REbooting.



Seems like they're having second thoughts, like "Maybe we went too far...?" and the failures of the New Riverdale Reggie & Me, Josie & the Pussycats, and Jughead are pointing out that they've alienated a big percentage of their traditional fans, so they're pulling back and trying to find some middle ground. Although if the truth be known, the New Riverdale ARCHIE alienates me far more than the new JUGHEAD did (but I realize I'm in the minority on that one).

And then there's Harley & Ivy meet Betty & Veronica, which again, seems like it's aiming somewhere "in the middle" between classic B&V and Adam Hughes' B&V... maybe slightly more to the New Riverdale side of things, while Your Pal Archie is skewing closer to the classic Archie side. Personally, I think they made a big mistake in not letting Dan Parent (or maybe Jeff Schultz or Pat & Tim Kennedy) draw this one...



And if either of those aren't big enough sellers to point the way forward to ACP, then they'll probably crank out more miniseries, up and down the tonal scale, with various mixtures of creators and percentages of comedy-to-dramedy...

Mr.Lodge

Quote from: terrence12 on July 06, 2017, 12:32:40 pm
Will the Archie reboot end in about few years and replace with a new reboot?



You mean like DC, Marvel, etc.....  ???

BettyReggie

I love how Archie looks there. He's adorable 💋 💋 💋. If the art is done in book like that. I will be happy.

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: BettyReggie on July 06, 2017, 10:15:38 pm
I love how Archie looks there. He's adorable 💋 💋 💋. If the art is done in book like that. I will be happy.


That's one of two cover variants for issue #1, this one drawn by Amanda Connor, who won't be drawing the interior artwork for the comic.

The interior artwork will be done by an artist named Laura Braga, whose previous work I'm not familiar with.

terrence12

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 06, 2017, 02:44:47 pm
What makes you think they're waiting for New Riverdale ARCHIE to end before rebooting again? Half an "UNboot" is still a form of REbooting.




Yes,But it is just an all ages spinoff as Archie Comics just focus more on the main titles that is the reboot.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 06, 2017, 02:44:47 pm
Seems like they're having second thoughts, like "Maybe we went too far...?" and the failures of the New Riverdale Reggie & Me, Josie & the Pussycats, and Jughead are pointing out that they've alienated a big percentage of their traditional fans, so they're pulling back and trying to find some middle ground. Although if the truth be known, the New Riverdale ARCHIE alienates me far more than the new JUGHEAD did (but I realize I'm in the minority on that one).


Maybe,But I think people and the critics are okay with the reboot Archie.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 06, 2017, 02:44:47 pm
And then there's Harley & Ivy meet Betty & Veronica, which again, seems like it's aiming somewhere "in the middle" between classic B&V and Adam Hughes' B&V... maybe slightly more to the New Riverdale side of things, while Your Pal Archie is skewing closer to the classic Archie side. Personally, I think they made a big mistake in not letting Dan Parent (or maybe Jeff Schultz or Pat & Tim Kennedy) draw this one...



And if either of those aren't big enough sellers to point the way forward to ACP, then they'll probably crank out more miniseries, up and down the tonal scale, with various mixtures of creators and percentages of comedy-to-dramedy...



Maybe this non canon crossover might be a mixture of the classic and the reboot,I think .And since the reboot Archie goes to the mature dramatic part after the Over the Edge storyline,I think Your pal Archie might be an all ages spin off,Just to be safe.




Quote from: Mr.Lodge on July 06, 2017, 05:49:18 pm
Quote from: terrence12 on July 06, 2017, 12:32:40 pmWill the Archie reboot end in about few years and replace with a new reboot?
You mean like DC, Marvel, etc.....  ???


Yes.But will not have a crisis event thing like Marvel and DC



































DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: terrence12 on July 07, 2017, 02:01:08 am

Quote from: Mr.Lodge on July 06, 2017, 05:49:18 pm
Quote from: terrence12 on July 06, 2017, 12:32:40 pmWill the Archie reboot end in about few years and replace with a new reboot?
You mean like DC, Marvel, etc.....  ???


Yes.But will not have a crisis event thing like Marvel and DC


Your Pal Archie seems like it's backing off the more extreme reboot of New Riverdale titles for ACP, just like the 2016 DC Rebirth seems like it's backing off a little (still not far enough for me) from the earlier 2011 DC New 52. Both companies lost a lot of former readers because the earlier reboots were too extreme, and now that some few years passed and the previous reboot lost a lot of its momentum (and sales), they're desperately trying to appeal to the old readers to get them back.

I don't think you'll be seeing any more New Riverdale titles launched, but Your Pal Archie is sort of testing the waters, while not exactly a real return to where they left off with ARCHIE #666. They're trying to find some compromise to appeal to new readers while not losing old ones.

BettyReggie

I have a feeling that Reggie & Me will return. In the last issue it said it would. I can't wait for it.

terrence12

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 07, 2017, 05:37:06 am
Quote from: terrence12 on July 07, 2017, 02:01:08 am
Quote from: Mr.Lodge on July 06, 2017, 05:49:18 pm
Quote from: terrence12 on July 06, 2017, 12:32:40 pmWill the Archie reboot end in about few years and replace with a new reboot?
You mean like DC, Marvel, etc.....  ???


Yes.But will not have a crisis event thing like Marvel and DC


Your Pal Archie seems like it's backing off the more extreme reboot of New Riverdale titles for ACP, just like the 2016 DC Rebirth seems like it's backing off a little (still not far enough for me) from the earlier 2011 DC New 52. Both companies lost a lot of former readers because the earlier reboots were too extreme, and now that some few years passed and the previous reboot lost a lot of its momentum (and sales), they're desperately trying to appeal to the old readers to get them back.


I don't think you'll be seeing any more New Riverdale titles launched, but Your Pal Archie is sort of testing the waters, while not exactly a real return to where they left off with ARCHIE #666. They're trying to find some compromise to appeal to new readers while not losing old ones.


Maybe,I guess they are just making this series to gain back the old readers ,However time change and people will probably move on besides the company will still focus more on the reboot since it gain good reception and Your Pal Archie is still a spinoff and is  aimed for some  retro all age readers.Heck I kinda like Dan parent's new style it kinda suits him just fine.

Quote from: BettyReggie on July 07, 2017, 06:41:59 amI have a feeling that Reggie & Me will return. In the last issue it said it would. I can't wait for it.


yeah,I hope so too.

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: terrence12 on July 07, 2017, 09:32:41 am

QuoteYour Pal Archie is sort of testing the waters, while not exactly a real return to where they left off with ARCHIE #666. They're trying to find some compromise to appeal to new readers while not losing old ones.


Maybe,I guess they are just making this series to gain back the old readers ,However time change and people will probably move on besides the company will still focus more on the reboot since it gain good reception and Your Pal Archie is still a spinoff and is aimed for some retro all age readers. Heck I kinda like Dan parent's new style it kinda suits him just fine.


1.  What do you consider Your Pal Archie a "spinoff" of?  (*Any more than say, Life With Archie, Afterlife With Archie, New Riverdale Archie, and the radio show, cartoons, and TV series [and the comic book based on the TV series] based on the original 1940s character. Yes, they are all spinoffs in the same sense as Jughead or Betty & Veronica starring in their own comic books...)

2.  When you think about it, "retro" and "all ages" is really a contradiction in terms. Not all ages can appreciate retro, because some will be too young to appreciate that quality about it.  They'd be truly better off if they could figure out what appeals to ALL ages, but of course that's no easy trick. The real question is, can Your Pal Archie be both kid-friendly and nostalgia-friendly, while capturing at least some of the important, lucrative 20-40 demographic -- that's where the money is loosest for floppy comic sales -- at the same time? Any one of the three might not be enough, maybe not even two.

3.  I don't think ACP is as committed to the "New Riverdale Archie" plan as you seem to think. Oh, I think they WERE, at one time, but since sales continue to ebb with every passing issue, I think they're open to trying just about anything at this point, and less sure of the idea of putting all their eggs in one basket, by trying to create "a line of titles" or "an imprint". At this point it seems to me they're trying to figure out what amounts of particular ingredients to use in what mixture to create a recipe for something called "Archie Comics" that will appeal to the greatest number of people, because "New Riverdale" does not seem to be that recipe. And it could be there's no answer except continuing to experiment and try something different with each new attempt at an iteration of Archie until they find a few version that will stick around.

terrence12

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 07, 2017, 11:53:35 am
Quote from: terrence12 on July 07, 2017, 09:32:41 am
QuoteYour Pal Archie is sort of testing the waters, while not exactly a real return to where they left off with ARCHIE #666. They're trying to find some compromise to appeal to new readers while not losing old ones.


Maybe,I guess they are just making this series to gain back the old readers ,However time change and people will probably move on besides the company will still focus more on the reboot since it gain good reception and Your Pal Archie is still a spinoff and is aimed for some retro all age readers. Heck I kinda like Dan parent's new style it kinda suits him just fine.


1.  What do you consider Your Pal Archie a "spinoff" of?  (*Any more than say, Life With Archie, Afterlife With Archie, New Riverdale Archie, and the radio show, cartoons, and TV series [and the comic book based on the TV series] based on the original 1940s character. Yes, they are all spinoffs in the same sense as Jughead or Betty & Veronica starring in their own comic books...)


Exactly,It's just a spinoff from the main title but is  considered a 'Classic 2.0'

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 07, 2017, 11:53:35 am2.  When you think about it, "retro" and "all ages" is really a contradiction in terms. Not all ages can appreciate retro, because some will be too young to appreciate that quality about it.  They'd be truly better off if they could figure out what appeals to ALL ages, but of course that's no easy trick. The real question is, can Your Pal Archie be both kid-friendly and nostalgia-friendly, while capturing at least some of the important, lucrative 20-40 demographic -- that's where the money is loosest for floppy comic sales -- at the same time? Any one of the three might not be enough, maybe not even two.


Exactly,The 'Your Pal Archie' series will be considered both 'Retro 2.0' and 'all ages' since the main one is aimed for older audience as it is about to reach a dark tone.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 07, 2017, 11:53:35 am 3.  I don't think ACP is as committed to the "New Riverdale Archie" plan as you seem to think. Oh, I think they WERE, at one time, but since sales continue to ebb with every passing issue, I think they're open to trying just about anything at this point, and less sure of the idea of putting all their eggs in one basket, by trying to create "a line of titles" or "an imprint". At this point it seems to me they're trying to figure out what amounts of particular ingredients to use in what mixture to create a recipe for something called "Archie Comics" that will appeal to the greatest number of people, because "New Riverdale" does not seem to be that recipe. And it could be there's no answer except continuing to experiment and try something different with each new attempt at an iteration of Archie until they find a few version that will stick around.


Hmm,Maybe.But since the riverdale series is considered a hit according to critics and people like it especially the reboot series gain positive reception ,I think the company will be fine.However,If what you said about the continuation of sales decline and Archie's attempt to make a experimental products for new readers.It is as if the road to bankruptcy and closure is coming.

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: terrence12 on July 07, 2017, 12:17:02 pm


But since the riverdale series is considered a hit according to critics and people like it especially the reboot series gain positive reception ,I think the company will be fine.However,If what you said about the continuation of sales decline and Archie's attempt to make a experimental products for new readers.It is as if the road to bankruptcy and closure is coming.


New Riverdale Archie IS a spinoff. So was Life With Archie, and Afterlife With Archie... and Riverdale (both the television series and the comic book based on it). They are all, every single one of them, spinoffs of the original ARCHIE series (the one that ran 666 issues), and Your Pal Archie is also a spinoff of that, in the same way that Archie's Pal Jughead was a spinoff back in 1950, and those spinoffs continue to 'spin off' even though the original series was discontinued in 2015.

You might say that the TV series Riverdale is a partial spinoff of the early issues of New Riverdale Archie, or that the comic book Riverdale is a spinoff of the TV series Riverdale, BUT Your Pal Archie is no more derivative of any of those than they are of the comics that came before them (but especially the original Archie comic book series). THERE'S NO MAIN SERIES ANY MORE. New Riverdale Archie is the longest-running consecutively-numbered spinoff series published by ACP left at this point, but it's still a mere 2-year-old in comic book history.

Critics can't arbitrarily decide what's a "hit". They can give it a thumbs up or a thumbs down, but critics are few in number, and can only try to influence the choices other people make. Hits are decided by consumers who support something by buying products. Hits generate lots of money for the company that produces them. At this point New Riverdale Archie is still selling better than the original Archie was when it was cancelled with #666, but not so much better that it can be called a "hit". Its sales are marginal in comparison to those of comic book titles from other publishers, and it has lost huge numbers since the earliest issues published. That is not a hit by any definition. Maybe the FIRST issue of the new Archie could be described as a "hit", but not currently-published issues. It is, by default, the best-selling ongoing FLOPPY COMIC title ACP is still publishing at this point (but look how few ongoing floppy comic series are left at this point). It still sells poorly compared to the digests ACP publishes. ACP still derives the majority of its income from publishing the digest titles, and more people read those new Dan Parent stories than any other new material ACP is generating right now.

And you BEGAN this discussion by proposing that its days are numbered and it is destined to be replaced, so why are you holding it up as ACP's savior for the future now? The people who buy it may LIKE it, but there aren't enough people who DO buy it.

terrence12

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 08, 2017, 12:53:17 am
Quote from: terrence12 on July 07, 2017, 12:17:02 pm


But since the riverdale series is considered a hit according to critics and people like it especially the reboot series gain positive reception ,I think the company will be fine.However,If what you said about the continuation of sales decline and Archie's attempt to make a experimental products for new readers.It is as if the road to bankruptcy and closure is coming.


New Riverdale Archie IS a spinoff. So was Life With Archie, and Afterlife With Archie... and Riverdale (both the television series and the comic book based on it). They are all, every single one of them, spinoffs of the original ARCHIE series (the one that ran 666 issues), and Your Pal Archie is also a spinoff of that, in the same way that Archie's Pal Jughead was a spinoff back in 1950, and those spinoffs continue to 'spin off' even though the original series was discontinued in 2015.



You might say that the TV series Riverdale is a partial spinoff of the early issues of New Riverdale Archie, or that the comic book Riverdale is a spinoff of the TV series Riverdale, BUT Your Pal Archie is no more derivative of any of those than they are of the comics that came before them (but especially the original Archie comic book series). THERE'S NO MAIN SERIES ANY MORE. New Riverdale Archie is the longest-running consecutively-numbered spinoff series published by ACP left at this point, but it's still a mere 2-year-old in comic book history.



Yes,from your perspective I still think that the reboot Archie or "New Riverdale Archie" as you called it replaced the original classic Archie after it ended and becoming the main title while 'Your pal Archie' will just be a spinoff for all ages.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 08, 2017, 12:53:17 am
Critics can't arbitrarily decide what's a "hit". They can give it a thumbs up or a thumbs down, but critics are few in number, and can only try to influence the choices other people make. Hits are decided by consumers who support something by buying products. Hits generate lots of money for the company that produces them. At this point New Riverdale Archie is still selling better than the original Archie was when it was cancelled with #666, but not so much better that it can be called a "hit". Its sales are marginal in comparison to those of comic book titles from other publishers, and it has lost huge numbers since the earliest issues published. That is not a hit by any definition. Maybe the FIRST issue of the new Archie could be described as a "hit", but not currently-published issues. It is, by default, the best-selling ongoing FLOPPY COMIC title ACP is still publishing at this point (but look how few ongoing floppy comic series are left at this point). It still sells poorly compared to the digests ACP publishes. ACP still derives the majority of its income from publishing the digest titles, and more people read those new Dan Parent stories than any other new material ACP is generating right now.


Yes,Indeed.I guess this is the reason why Archie comics are launching 'you pal Archie' because old readers want their 'old' archie back and they will soon.Also since the reboot Archie gains profit for the company even though it wasn't gaining huge numbers like what you said.I still think it will be a main series and will be ongoing at least until the next reboot happens in about few years.


Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 08, 2017, 12:53:17 amAnd you BEGAN this discussion by proposing that its days are numbered and it is destined to be replaced, so why are you holding it up as ACP's savior for the future now? The people who buy it may LIKE it, but there aren't enough people who DO buy it.


Well,I was going to say the company will be okay since it is adjusting to the times and make books which are experimental to both old and new readers like their horror spinoff Afterlife with Archie for example ,The reboot series and the Riverdale tv show which gain positive reception.However when you mention sales are low and stuff,It made me think that the company is about to go bankrupt and close down in about few or many years.

DeCarlo Rules

Just so you know. Classic Archie (the character) has not been replaced. He's still around, and appearing in stories every month. Those stories don't happen to appear in a floppy format comic book with the one-word title ARCHIE, though. They only appear in the digests.

If "main title" just means the title you like the best or think is the most important, well I can't argue with that. That's your opinion.

If it actually means anything objective though, the "main title" for a comic book publishing company should probably be the one they publish that sells the most copies (and/or generates the most profit, based on cover price). That would be - probably, since I can't confirm actual numbers - either Archie Comics Double Digest or World of Archie Double Digest. That applies regardless of the fact that the new stories in those titles are only 5 pages long.

Counting the two B&V digests, there are six digest titles, 3 of which are published 10 times a year, and 3 of which are published 6 times a year, and every one of them has a new 5-page story in it "in the traditional Archie style". So 48 new digest stories are published per year (240 pages in total). Archie (the classic version of the character) probably appears (conservatively) in about 2/3rds of those stories, so about 160 of those pages. With the end of Reggie's, Josie's, and Jughead's New Riverdale version floppy comics, I doubt if the remaining New Riverdale ARCHIE title can even claim to publish more than 160 pages of new material per year. Even if it does, it isn't read by as many people (some of whom aren't adults, so do they not count?) as the digests.


terrence12

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 08, 2017, 05:17:41 pm
Just so you know. Classic Archie (the character) has not been replaced. He's still around, and appearing in stories every month. Those stories don't happen to appear in a floppy format comic book with the one-word title ARCHIE, though. They only appear in the digests.


Yes,That's true the classic Archie will live on in reprints and digest with few new stories including 'Your pal,Archie' even though the reboot takes over the comic book market.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 08, 2017, 05:17:41 pm
If "main title" just means the title you like the best or think is the most important, well I can't argue with that. That's your opinion.


Yes,That's true but since Comic book are the main big ones for the company and the classic has ended while the reboot takes over ,The reboot will always be the main one .Even though the Classics will live on in reprints including 'Your Pal,Archie'.


Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 08, 2017, 05:17:41 pm
If it actually means anything objective though, the "main title" for a comic book publishing company should probably be the one they publish that sells the most copies (and/or generates the most profit, based on cover price). That would be - probably, since I can't confirm actual numbers - either Archie Comics Double Digest or World of Archie Double Digest. That applies regardless of the fact that the new stories in those titles are only 5 pages long.

Counting the two B&V digests, there are six digest titles, 3 of which are published 10 times a year, and 3 of which are published 6 times a year, and every one of them has a new 5-page story in it "in the traditional Archie style". So 48 new digest stories are published per year (240 pages in total). Archie (the classic version of the character) probably appears (conservatively) in about 2/3rds of those stories, so about 160 of those pages. With the end of Reggie's, Josie's, and Jughead's New Riverdale version floppy comics, I doubt if the remaining New Riverdale ARCHIE title can even claim to publish more than 160 pages of new material per year. Even if it does, it isn't read by as many people (some of whom aren't adults, so do they not count?) as the digests.


So,If you what you are saying is true then the other Archie reboot titles will end this year living only the reboot Archie which will probably end in about a year or two.Including Afterlife with Archie which will probably end with the possible final storyarc 'Archie is legend' and will end in about two years.Which lives only the digests to sell since they reprint classic Archie stories with few new ones even though they are considered 'relics of the past' .

So I think that the comic books whether they revert back to classic or a new reboots will probably become bimonthly instead.


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