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When Betty and Reggie team up

Started by Original Sin, April 27, 2016, 03:41:45 PM

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Gotapenname

I am sorry my ship  causes you so much distress.  :'(

Of course I only ship Betty and due to my own skewed and delusional interception of them.  :crazy2: which has been enabled by The Married Life of Archie(The Veroinca side) Which although I liked the Betty & Reggie interaction in it. It proably from a bias free point of view written completely unrealistically and totally O.C.C from Reggie making it terrible.   

Mr.Lodge

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on March 22, 2017, 01:34:45 PM
Like I mentioned a while back, for me the only way I would actually tolerate Riverdale would be if they put Reggie and Betty together (but even then I would hate the show and just like that pairing) but that is never going to happen. Reggie is non-existent on the show and they already paired Betty up with Jughead, so Riverdale is actually not Betty/Reggie shippers' best bet :-\
They'll put Jughead & Archie going down on each other before that ever happens (Although Kevin won't like the competition).

60sBettyandReggie

#137
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 22, 2017, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on March 22, 2017, 01:34:45 PM
::) You know, when I made that post I actually thought "I have the feeling DeCarlo Rules is gonna come and rain on my parade" and, boom, sure enough you did  ;D You are always so matter of fact. Remember that I specifically said "I'll just imagine that these two skipped school to be together all day". Who cares if they didn't actually  skipped school together and spent the day by themselves!? I'm just imagining here, you know, fantasizing. You should try it sometime  ;)

Like I mentioned a while back, for me the only way I would actually tolerate Riverdale would be if they put Reggie and Betty together (but even then I would hate the show and just like that pairing) but that is never going to happen. Reggie is non-existent on the show and they already paired Betty up with Jughead, so Riverdale is actually not Betty/Reggie shippers' best bet :-\

What can I say. The very idea that so delights you, sends shivers down my spine and makes me cringe, because regardless of how irked Archie's behavior towards Betty sometimes make me feel, pairing her up with Reggie instead seems like inflicting a punishment upon her far far worse, which she's done nothing to deserve -- the "Punishment Plus" story that was just posted being an excellent example.

Even beyond the two specific characters involved, this particular shipping fantasy is representative generically of what I feel is the most pernicious myth that females as a gender seem to hold -- that "bad boys" can be saved or changed (or that there's really a heart of gold buried deep deep down beneath the uncivilized exterior) by the true love of that one special woman (in effect, she has magic powers to alter reality to her own liking). That particular archetypal myth has probably been one of the greatest sources of heartbreak and human misery throughout the ages, and it's why battered women's shelters are always full. The sad reality is that people really don't change. It just makes me really sad.

And you know what, I can't help the way I feel about it. Among the Gang of Five, Betty is my favorite character. She's a sweet girl, and I'd like to believe that she deserves that kind of "happily ever after" ending that good karma earned for her. But whenever I see it brought up, my immediate visceral reaction to the B/R fantasy is one of muted horror, followed by "That poor, poor girl." So who should she walk off into the sunset with? I honestly don't know. Adam is probably the best candidate. Yeah, boring old Adam. The way I see it, other people's happiness probably looks pretty boring to the rest of us.


You have to be able to separate real life from fiction, then.  Just because in real life the "bad boy" always remains a bad boy and women suffer from it doesn't mean that in fiction land, in make-believe world (which is what these comics are) that has to be the norm. In fiction world we can let our imagination run wild and happy things can actually happen. And it is okay to imagine it.
We have been through this before. I understand your points and yes, in the real world it is bad most of the time, but again, this is a cute little fiction world. And anyway, if we took in consideration what actually happens in the real world, then by real life standards so many of the couples in Riverdale are so wrong if you think about it.
I love Betty too. She's always been my favorite and I always want the best for her. If the writers do a good job(like in The Married Life)then Reggie can be and will be a good choice for her. 
Oh and I actually don't mind Adam, he's a good kid. Heck, I even like the Betty/Jason pairing. He's a snob but has a big crush on her and I think he would also treat her well.

DeCarlo Rules

#138
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on March 22, 2017, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 22, 2017, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on March 22, 2017, 01:34:45 PM
::) You know, when I made that post I actually thought "I have the feeling DeCarlo Rules is gonna come and rain on my parade" and, boom, sure enough you did  ;D You are always so matter of fact. Remember that I specifically said "I'll just imagine that these two skipped school to be together all day". Who cares if they didn't actually  skipped school together and spent the day by themselves!? I'm just imagining here, you know, fantasizing. You should try it sometime  ;)

Like I mentioned a while back, for me the only way I would actually tolerate Riverdale would be if they put Reggie and Betty together (but even then I would hate the show and just like that pairing) but that is never going to happen. Reggie is non-existent on the show and they already paired Betty up with Jughead, so Riverdale is actually not Betty/Reggie shippers' best bet :-\

What can I say. The very idea that so delights you, sends shivers down my spine and makes me cringe, because regardless of how irked Archie's behavior towards Betty sometimes make me feel, pairing her up with Reggie instead seems like inflicting a punishment upon her far far worse, which she's done nothing to deserve -- the "Punishment Plus" story that was just posted being an excellent example.

Even beyond the two specific characters involved, this particular shipping fantasy is representative generically of what I feel is the most pernicious myth that females as a gender seem to hold -- that "bad boys" can be saved or changed (or that there's really a heart of gold buried deep deep down beneath the uncivilized exterior) by the true love of that one special woman (in effect, she has magic powers to alter reality to her own liking). That particular archetypal myth has probably been one of the greatest sources of heartbreak and human misery throughout the ages, and it's why battered women's shelters are always full. The sad reality is that people really don't change. It just makes me really sad.

And you know what, I can't help the way I feel about it. Among the Gang of Five, Betty is my favorite character. She's a sweet girl, and I'd like to believe that she deserves that kind of "happily ever after" ending that good karma earned for her. But whenever I see it brought up, my immediate visceral reaction to the B/R fantasy is one of muted horror, followed by "That poor, poor girl." So who should she walk off into the sunset with? I honestly don't know. Adam is probably the best candidate. Yeah, boring old Adam. The way I see it, other people's happiness probably looks pretty boring to the rest of us.


You have to be able to separate real life from fiction, then.  Just because in real life the "bad boy" always remains a bad boy and women suffer from it doesn't mean that in fiction land, in make-believe world (which is what these comics are) that has to be the norm. In fiction world we can let our imagination run wild and happy things can actually happen. And it is okay to imagine it.
We have been through this before. I understand your points and yes, in the real world it is bad most of the time, but again, this is a cute little fiction world. And anyway, if we took in consideration what actually happens in the real world, then by real life standards so many of the couples in Riverdale are so wrong if you think about it.
I love Betty too. She's always been my favorite and I always want the best for her. If the writers do a good job(like in The Married Life)then Reggie can be and will be a good choice for her. 
Oh and I actually don't mind Adam, he's a good kid. Heck, I even like the Betty/Jason pairing. He's a snob but has a big crush on her and I think he would also treat her well.

I understand what you're saying. On the other hand, it gives me pause to wonder whether this is really a "harmless" kind of fantasy, or whether it actually contributes to the perpetuation of that archetypal myth to which I referred, which is what I find so disturbing about it. I called it pernicious above, and what I meant by that was: I hope for most people's ability to distinguish fantasy from reality, but this is a particularly seductive type of fantasy, because it plays into people's optimism and a belief in the human ability to effect change in the world around us, as well as long-established ideas about love conquering all, or moving mountains. The wish-fulfillment here is operating in a gray area because it's difficult to establish exactly what it is that makes humans behave the way they do. However, the real statistics say that this optimism about the ability to effect change in others' behavior is misplaced, and it's easy to see that as contributing to someone believing they failed because they didn't try hard enough or their love wasn't strong or pure enough. As I said, it's a gut reaction which is hard for me to avoid.

In deference to the B/R shippers I'll try to restrain my natural revulsion and check myself from replying in the future.

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