Poll
Question:
Which do you prefer - Classic Archie or New Archie?
Option 1: I prefer Classic Archie - The reboot doesn't compare
votes: 25
Option 2: I like all things Archie equally
votes: 9
Option 3: New Archie is better than Old Archie
votes: 5
I don't think a poll has ever covered this, but I could be wrong. Personally, it's Classic Archie for me!
Classic Archie drawn in the house style.
Classic Archie, of course!
I love both styles then & now. I love Dan, Fernando & Gisele but I like Mark Waid's writing & Veronica's art is awesome. I love the fact we get so many variants with the reboots, back in the day we only got one choice for a cover. It's great to see many different artists do cover that how I asked Thomas Pitilli to do a Reggie commission gor me. If he never did a cover for Archie reboot & Jughead reboot I would have never discovered him. I can't wait for Faith Erin Hicks cover for for Archie.
New Archie?
You mean like those other past greats, The New Archies, The NEW Little Archie, and New Look Archie Series? This too shall pass.
Just because it's new doesn't mean it's improved.
Classic Archie hands down! I have zero interest in the rebooted current Archie comic books.
Quote from: Bluto on April 06, 2016, 11:51:18 AM
Classic Archie hands down! I have zero interest in the rebooted current Archie comic books.
The reboot is interesting, but I don't feel like it can fill the classic sized hole in my heart.
Thanks Oldiesmann, just by you liking what I said fills me with hope. Believe it or not, but I was actually on the verge of killing myself. Thank you! :)
I know I'm not exactly objective here, but there's no question. Classic Archie all the way.
The Reboot could've co-existed alongside the Classic Material much like the Married Life did, but to completely displace the classic material the way it has is one of the biggest mistakes this company has ever committed. It is absolutely suicidal.
I agree with that. I don't really understand the idea of upsetting your base readers. DC Comics has done that and they continue to lose millions of dollar and I think only Batman is their constant top ten seller.
And this the perfect time in the comic industry to do it because of how well and how many nonsuperhero books there are. I think the original Archie book should have remained at the very least.
Now that I've finally got a few issues of Reboot Archie. If I had to choose...I'd probably lean towards classic. The Reboot Archie book is amazing. I really like it--unfortunately the Jughead book brings the reboot series down. The first four issues are night and day.
Maybe "Die Kitty Die!" will do well enough that you'll be able to purchase the rights to Archie, Betty, Ronnie and the others for pennies on the dollar and relaunch them at Astro Comix! :)
Quote from: kassandralove on April 07, 2016, 12:09:26 PM
The jughead artwork was so brutal I didn't even finish reading issue one- I can't believe they hired that artist. It looks like scribbles
Even in the new Archie relaunch I find that some areas are really sloppy and rushed- Like they forget how to draw thing proportionally.
If one intends to draw a comics that's intended to look like more than kids cartoons you really need to have a basic understanding of anatomy — which Henderson does not demonstrate ... and even for a completely surreal cartoon you have to be consistent to make it work — again, not evident in her work ...
it's more like bad fan art from someone with raw talent, but no training.
Quote from: kassandralove on April 07, 2016, 12:06:26 PM
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 07, 2016, 11:15:02 AM
I know I'm not exactly objective here, but there's no question. Classic Archie all the way.
The Reboot could've co-existed alongside the Classic Material much like the Married Life did, but to completely displace the classic material the way it has is one of the biggest mistakes this company has ever committed. It is absolutely suicidal.
Preach!
It's so true- i feel like whoever is in charge is drowning the company in hopes to be "hip" and "cool"
Why fuck up what has already worked for many many years.
Yes, that's what I was going to say. They decided to throw everything out the window; a 75 year legacy just to be hip and progressive. They look like they are desperate to be seen as cool.
I prefer classic Archie as well and miss the classic-style "floppies". If they wanted to introduce a reboot, they could easily do that without getting rid of long-time artists or all but eliminating new classic stories.
Quote from: invisifan on April 07, 2016, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 07, 2016, 12:09:26 PM
The jughead artwork was so brutal I didn't even finish reading issue one- I can't believe they hired that artist. It looks like scribbles
Even in the new Archie relaunch I find that some areas are really sloppy and rushed- Like they forget how to draw thing proportionally.
If one intends to draw a comics that's intended to look like more than kids cartoons you really need to have a basic understanding of anatomy — which Henderson does not demonstrate ... and even for a completely surreal cartoon you have to be consistent to make it work — again, not evident in her work ...
it's more like bad fan art from someone with raw talent, but no training.
I don't find the artwork in ARCHIE to be much better, frankly. I guess it is, on a technical level, closer to representational art, but I just find Fiona Staples' work to be kind of bland and boring. The best looking artwork I've seen associated with the reboot are a few of the variant covers, like that Andrew Robinson guy who did one of the recent variants.
I prefer the classic stories and the art because that is what i grew up with. If they would have a good story which I don't really mind in the Archie reboot right now, but I just cannot get into the Jughead storyline. This really makes me upset because Jughead is my favorite character. The frequent changes in artists in the short time also aggravates me as I never have a chance to get use to one artist and then it is off to another artists interpretation of the characters.
Well this poll speaks for itself. I wonder why ACP doesn't go back to the old style.
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 07, 2016, 08:54:11 PM
Well this poll speaks for itself. I wonder why ACP doesn't go back to the old style.
I just don't understand why both can't exist.
I love both styles. Erica draws a great Jughead & so does Rex Lindsey. I collect both styles. 3 of my commissions are from Gisele & Dan, actually 2 are from Dan & Fernando, but 2 are from artists that new artists that draw in their style. Thomas Pitilli drawed Reggie for me. And Gabbi Gross drawed Betty & Reggie for me in her style.
Like new Archie but will always like classic Archie better.
The new Jughead is garbage in every way shape and form. Gave up on it quickly. Maybe they should reboot the reboot. :buck2:
Erica Henderson doesn't draw. She scribbles. Saw a few samples of Squirrel Girl and she's punching way above her weight class. :2funny:
They're bringing in a new artist, at least temporarily, for Jughead. I still wish they'd just use Dan or Fernando instead. Both have proven they can draw the "new" style just as well as the classic style.
Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 08, 2016, 12:44:30 AM
They're bringing in a new artist, at least temporarily, for Jughead. I still wish they'd just use Dan or Fernando instead. Both have proven they can draw the "new" style just as well as the classic style.
My #1 choice for the definitive living Jughead artist would be Rex Lindsay. My #2 choice would be Fernando Ruiz. They both did a great job and are the two living artists (other than George Frese and Samm Schwartz) that I most associate with Jughead. Fernando also does a great job on the occasional Chuck Clayton or Reggie story, so those are 2 more characters I primarily associate with him. Dan Parent I associate more with Betty & Veronica, as the best artist for those characters.
The new artist replacing Erica Henderson is Derek Charm. At least it's a definite improvement.
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Quote from: irishmoxie on April 07, 2016, 08:54:11 PM
Well this poll speaks for itself. I wonder why ACP doesn't go back to the old style.
In one of my last conversations with Archie (a couple of months ago now) I was told that Archie doesn't believe there is enough retailer interest to support a regular Classic Archie title. This excludes digests.
Now the rebooted Archie title is hemorrhaging readers every single month. Issue 6 sold around 18K copies which is down an insane 82% from Issue #1 in only FIVE issues! Of course there are a few factors that artificially inflate #1's 100K sales but that 82% drop is still there. All that having been said, even at 18K copies, the current Archie book is still selling better than the Classic Archie title. Keep in mind though that the Rebooted Archie book is a more expensive book to put out than the classic Archie. Mark Waid don't come cheap and as far as the art goes, all of the reboot artists are being paid far better than I was.
All this means is that Archie Comics... right NOW... is probably happier with the current Archie title than they were with the previous one. The new title is still doing better than the old one and it gets them some "buzz." At the very least, they have the illusion of being a "hip, happening" company. If sales continue to ebb on that book though, some realities are going to have to be faced very soon.
Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 08, 2016, 12:44:30 AM
I still wish they'd just use Dan or Fernando instead. Both have proven they can draw the "new" style just as well as the classic style.
Thanks but Archie does not believe that our names can sell a regular book. They've told us this point blank!! They are stupidly addicted to having a "big name" attached to every book.
It's not a very smart attitude considering that Archie Vs Predator sold an average of about 35 K copies per issue, a huge hit in Archie terms, and Archie Vs Sharknado completely sold out! Granted these books have the added hook of Predator and Sharknade, but the point is, our names didn't drive readers away. In fact, AVP was widely praised because it LOOKED like a classic Archie book!
At the rate they are going, I'll be surprised if the reboot outlasts the run of KEVIN KELLER.
My tribute to the departing (thank god) Erica Henderson.....
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Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 08, 2016, 01:17:20 AM
Thanks but Archie does not believe that our names can sell a regular book. They've told us this point blank!! They are stupidly addicted to having a "big name" attached to every book.
Fernando, ask ACP if this guy's available: Hubert Blaine Wolfeschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorff ;D
How many copies of the new Jughead selling? Probably a LOT less than 18K? I'll guess around 10K. :2funny:
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 08, 2016, 01:17:20 AM
It's not a very smart attitude considering that Archie Vs Predator sold an average of about 35 K copies per issue, a huge hit in Archie terms, and Archie Vs Sharknado completely sold out! Granted these books have the added hook of Predator and Sharknade, but the point is, our names didn't drive readers away. In fact, AVP was widely praised because it LOOKED like a classic Archie book!
I'd say Sharknado was a pretty rusty hook...
Quote from: Mr.Lodge on April 08, 2016, 02:46:51 AM
How many copies of the new Jughead selling? Probably a LOT less than 18K? I'll guess around 10K. :2funny:
Sales estimates for the rebooted titles (source: www.comichron.com (http://www.comichron.com)):
ARCHIE #1 (July 2015) = 101,488
ARCHIE #1 (Aug. 2015) = +2,860 (reorders)
ARCHIE #2 (Aug. 2015) = 30,642
ARCHIE #3 (Oct. 2015) = 27,734
ARCHIE #4 (Nov. 2015) = 25,824
ARCHIE COLLECTORS EDITION [$9.99] (Dec. 2015) = 3,405
ARCHIE #5 (Jan. 2016) = 20,677
ARCHIE #6 (Feb. 2016) = 18,401
JUGHEAD #1 (Oct. 2015) = 32,118
JUGHEAD #2 (Nov. 2015) = 15,973
JUGHEAD #3 (Dec. 2015) = 12,229
No sales estimates available for March 2016 as yet. It would be fair to say there's a general downward trend in effect here, though. Exactly when or at what number it will level out is anyone's guess.
Comparative historical sales data provided for putting these sales figures in perspective:
http://www.comichron.com/titlespotlights/archie.html (http://www.comichron.com/titlespotlights/archie.html)
Keep in mind that the last recorded years of sales data for the classic Archie series logged sales of 11,098 (2013) and 9,052 (2014).
Based on the trend of ARCHIE sales figures, a run of about 12-15 issues in total seems about right.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 03:45:37 AM
Quote from: Mr.Lodge on April 08, 2016, 02:46:51 AM
How many copies of the new Jughead selling? Probably a LOT less than 18K? I'll guess around 10K. :2funny:
Sales estimates for the rebooted titles (source: www.comichron.com (http://www.comichron.com)):
ARCHIE #1 (July 2015) = 101,488
ARCHIE #1 (Aug. 2015) = +2,860 (reorders)
ARCHIE #2 (Aug. 2015) = 30,642
ARCHIE #3 (Oct. 2015) = 27,734
ARCHIE #4 (Nov. 2015) = 25,824
ARCHIE COLLECTORS EDITION [$9.99] (Dec. 2015) = 3,405
ARCHIE #5 (Jan. 2016) = 20,677
ARCHIE #6 (Feb. 2016) = 18,401
JUGHEAD #1 (Oct. 2015) = 32,118
JUGHEAD #2 (Nov. 2015) = 15,973
JUGHEAD #3 (Dec. 2015) = 12,229
No sales estimates available for March 2016 as yet. It would be fair to say there's a general downward trend in effect here, though. Exactly when or at what number it will level out is anyone's guess.
Comparative historical sales data provided for putting these sales figures in perspective:
http://www.comichron.com/titlespotlights/archie.html (http://www.comichron.com/titlespotlights/archie.html)
Keep in mind that the last recorded years of sales data for the classic Archie series logged sales of 11,098 (2013) and 9,052 (2014).
Based on the trend of ARCHIE sales figures, a run of about 12-15 issues in total seems about right.
Classic Archie or New Archie are not selling enough.
Archie is dying slowly! :'(
Maybe Riverdale TV Series is the last chance to save Archie. :-X
Quote from: nuageo on April 08, 2016, 04:31:47 AM
Classic Archie or New Archie are not selling enough.
Archie is dying slowly! :'(
Maybe Riverdale TV Series is the last chance to save Archie. :-X
That would be a case of the cure being worse than the disease. :buck2:
(https://www.archiefans.com/index.php?media/file/save-you-kill-you.278/preview/)
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 05:26:02 AM
Quote from: nuageo on April 08, 2016, 04:31:47 AM
Classic Archie or New Archie are not selling enough.
Archie is dying slowly! :'(
Maybe Riverdale TV Series is the last chance to save Archie. :-X
That would be a case of the cure being worse than the disease. :buck2:
(https://www.archiefans.com/index.php?media/file/save-you-kill-you.278/preview/)
Sometimes, the cure has a horrible taste, but it helps a lot. :crazy2:
Wasn't everyone excited when the Archie reboot started, I was. I heard that Fiona Staples was going be the artist I was doing back flips. I love her style. I have the majority of Saga issues & books. She is awesome. If she could Jughead look handsome that's cool & she did.
Archie #113-666 (1960-2015)
SALES BY YEAR
1960: 500,200
1975: 199,291
1990: 56,855
2000: 27,551
2010: 14,413
2014: 9,052
Now, I understand why they did a New Archie! :o
Quote from: nuageo on April 08, 2016, 08:12:23 AM
Archie #113-666 (1960-2015)
SALES BY YEAR
1960: 500,200
1975: 199,291
1990: 56,855
2000: 27,551
2010: 14,413
2014: 9,052
Now, I understand why they did a New Archie! :o
I'll be interested to see if the new Archie makes the numbers spike up that much at all.
Classic Archie is like stand-up comedy — it's almost entirely about the humour and just a mostly unrelated series of snapshots that have no connection or consistency ... really old TV sit-coms were like that too — you could shuffle them like card and watch in any order ... it has a big up-side in reusability for the publisher, and you can pick up anything anywhere and read/watch with familiarity, but we are long past that in modern culture everything in TV and comics, books, movies and life grows, evolves and changesm and people — particularly newer generations grew up with that and expect and want it — "what happens next?" comedy now isn't stand-up for the most part, it's part of the ongoing stream rather than a series of random vignettes ...
That's where Archie has been failing, and what the reboot is trying to correct ... the TV show is trying to make it something completely different ... (my 2¢)
Like this?
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Quote from: nuageo on April 08, 2016, 07:27:23 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 05:26:02 AM
Quote from: nuageo on April 08, 2016, 04:31:47 AM
Classic Archie or New Archie are not selling enough.
Archie is dying slowly! :'(
Maybe Riverdale TV Series is the last chance to save Archie. :-X
That would be a case of the cure being worse than the disease. :buck2:
(https://www.archiefans.com/index.php?media/file/save-you-kill-you.278/preview/)
Sometimes, the cure has a horrible taste, but it helps a lot. :crazy2:
Depends on your definition of "it helps". If the cure for ailing Dr. Jekyll involves his transforming into "healthy" Mr. Hyde, then I'm gonna say... let the patient die a natural death with dignity.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 01:02:02 AM
The new artist replacing Erica Henderson is Derek Charm. At least it's a definite improvement.
(https://www.archiefans.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FDerekCharmJugheadConceptArt-1-967aa.jpg&hash=1cb92acb6c3ca9ce998cbf61c1309a832c3a8c35)(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ODZhmWC-9ow/VvHJFYy7IHI/AAAAAAAAFJM/W2-_jb1Hit40k1lK8XuXWfXMsbh3kcHHA/s1600/075ed86e-754f-491a-bf44-ffd369ba4561.jpg)
He made Betty and Veronica pretty again. Hooray! I still can't forgive Erica for making them ugly
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 03:45:37 AM
Quote from: Mr.Lodge on April 08, 2016, 02:46:51 AM
How many copies of the new Jughead selling? Probably a LOT less than 18K? I'll guess around 10K. :2funny:
Sales estimates for the rebooted titles (source: www.comichron.com (http://www.comichron.com)):
ARCHIE #1 (July 2015) = 101,488
ARCHIE #1 (Aug. 2015) = +2,860 (reorders)
ARCHIE #2 (Aug. 2015) = 30,642
ARCHIE #3 (Oct. 2015) = 27,734
ARCHIE #4 (Nov. 2015) = 25,824
ARCHIE COLLECTORS EDITION [$9.99] (Dec. 2015) = 3,405
ARCHIE #5 (Jan. 2016) = 20,677
ARCHIE #6 (Feb. 2016) = 18,401
JUGHEAD #1 (Oct. 2015) = 32,118
JUGHEAD #2 (Nov. 2015) = 15,973
JUGHEAD #3 (Dec. 2015) = 12,229
No sales estimates available for March 2016 as yet. It would be fair to say there's a general downward trend in effect here, though. Exactly when or at what number it will level out is anyone's guess.
Comparative historical sales data provided for putting these sales figures in perspective:
http://www.comichron.com/titlespotlights/archie.html (http://www.comichron.com/titlespotlights/archie.html)
Keep in mind that the last recorded years of sales data for the classic Archie series logged sales of 11,098 (2013) and 9,052 (2014).
Based on the trend of ARCHIE sales figures, a run of about 12-15 issues in total seems about right.
It would be interesting to see how much each issue of the Archie reboot is costing ACP factoring in production costs and artist and writer salaries versus the old Archie floppies. Like Fernando alluded to, I'm willing to bet they are spending a lot more per issue/copy.
Another thing which is interesting, if 75% of Archie fans prefer the old Archie why aren't sales reflecting that? Were these fans only buying digests and not the floppies? Why wasn't this enough to keep the old Archie alive even though they were probably making more money paying the artists less?
Also I'm not sure why they bother with the trade paperbacks when sales of those are less than the individual issues. Although they do cost more per unit.
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 08, 2016, 09:52:42 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 01:02:02 AM
The new artist replacing Erica Henderson is Derek Charm. At least it's a definite improvement.
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He made Betty and Veronica pretty again. Hooray! I still can't forgive Erica for making them ugly
I agree Erica Henderson was a disaster and Derek Charm seems like with the images above will do the comic justice.
The #'s listed above for the two reboots have to be a real disappointment for ACP. That is a huge decline from the first issue of Archie, but I imagine they were expecting that. I don't know if they would have expected it to be down to just over 18,000 just after issue #6 though. The Jughead reboot didn't even really start off that great and is also on a huge decline just after 3 issues. If these fail or even just the Jughead reboot fails what impact will this have on the Betty and Veronica Reboot?
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 08, 2016, 09:58:35 AM
It would be interesting to see how much each issue of the Archie reboot is costing ACP factoring in production costs and artist and writer salaries versus the old Archie floppies. Like Fernando alluded to, I'm willing to bet they are spending a lot more per issue/copy.
Another thing which is interesting, if 75% of Archie fans prefer the old Archie why aren't sales reflecting that? Were these fans only buying digests and not the floppies? Why wasn't this enough to keep the old Archie alive even though they were probably making more money paying the artists less?
Also I'm not sure why they bother with the trade paperbacks when sales of those are less than the individual issues. Although they do cost more per unit.
To answer your last question first... with rare exceptions, they don't, anymore. Although, in the past, certain individual TPB titles did fairly well, notably The Death of Archie, The Married Life (six books), The Best of Archie Comics (4 books, 5 if you count "75 Years 75 Stories"), B&V Storybooks (2 books), Freshman Year (2 books), Afterlife With Archie: Escape From Riverdale. Some others... did not so well, and the only ones that appear at this point in 2016 to be still economically viable are the omnibus digest reprints (1000 Page & Giant Comics).
Regarding this specific poll... you can hardly call this a random or scientific sampling, and the number of respondents wouldn't be large enough even if it were. So that 75% is hardly likely to be some kind of accurate figure. At best it represents an average opinion among those interested enough in Archie to seek out a message forum on that specific topic.
Regarding the productions costs, you must realize that ARCHIE #1 sold more comic books than ACP had sold in the
entire previous year combined -- even if they did need to pay about 50 artists to do alternate cover artwork. Even without factoring in the cost of the advertising associated, it still turns out to be (averaging the cost over the four issues published in 2015) a sound return on investment.
How long it will continue to be, remains to be seen.
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 10:15:58 AM
The #'s listed above for the two reboots have to be a real disappointment for ACP. That is a huge decline from the first issue of Archie, but I imagine they were expecting that. I don't know if they would have expected it to be down to just over 18,000 just after issue #6 though. The Jughead reboot didn't even really start off that great and is also on a huge decline just after 3 issues. If these fail or even just the Jughead reboot fails what impact will this have on the Betty and Veronica Reboot?
18,000? that's still 5 times what the old title was selling the last couple of years
Quote from: spazaru on April 08, 2016, 11:34:12 AM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 10:15:58 AM
The #'s listed above for the two reboots have to be a real disappointment for ACP. That is a huge decline from the first issue of Archie, but I imagine they were expecting that. I don't know if they would have expected it to be down to just over 18,000 just after issue #6 though. The Jughead reboot didn't even really start off that great and is also on a huge decline just after 3 issues. If these fail or even just the Jughead reboot fails what impact will this have on the Betty and Veronica Reboot?
18,000? that's still 5 times what the old title was selling the last couple of years
Yeah, but the last couple years were really crappy sales. That reminds me of the cell service commercial. Does that mean it is 5 times better than crap? :) 18,000 is still not good at all and if that is the standard ACP wants to live by that to me is pretty low standards..
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 08, 2016, 09:52:42 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 01:02:02 AM
The new artist replacing Erica Henderson is Derek Charm. At least it's a definite improvement.
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He made Betty and Veronica pretty again. Hooray! I still can't forgive Erica for making them ugly
I agree Erica Henderson was a disaster and Derek Charm seems like with the images above will do the comic justice.
As long as they don't ask Derek to try to draw like Erica.
Quote from: spazaru on April 08, 2016, 11:34:12 AM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 10:15:58 AM
The #'s listed above for the two reboots have to be a real disappointment for ACP. That is a huge decline from the first issue of Archie, but I imagine they were expecting that. I don't know if they would have expected it to be down to just over 18,000 just after issue #6 though. The Jughead reboot didn't even really start off that great and is also on a huge decline just after 3 issues. If these fail or even just the Jughead reboot fails what impact will this have on the Betty and Veronica Reboot?
18,000? that's still 5 times what the old title was selling the last couple of years
2 things: It's TWICE, not 5 times what the average issue sold in 2014. Sales fell from the first issue to the second more than 70%, and from the 2nd issue to the 6th another 40%.
That's only in the space of 7 months! So how many copies will it be selling a year from now? Two years from now? Because that's about as long as you can expect it to last.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 01:44:50 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 08, 2016, 11:34:12 AM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 10:15:58 AM
The #'s listed above for the two reboots have to be a real disappointment for ACP. That is a huge decline from the first issue of Archie, but I imagine they were expecting that. I don't know if they would have expected it to be down to just over 18,000 just after issue #6 though. The Jughead reboot didn't even really start off that great and is also on a huge decline just after 3 issues. If these fail or even just the Jughead reboot fails what impact will this have on the Betty and Veronica Reboot?
18,000? that's still 5 times what the old title was selling the last couple of years
2 things: It's TWICE, not 5 times what the average issue sold in 2014. Sales fell from the first issue to the second more than 70%, and from the 2nd issue to the 6th another 40%. That's only in the space of 7 months! So how many copies will it be selling a year from now? Two years from now? Because that's about as long as you can expect it to last.
OK, sorry, I could swear I remember issues that were reported selling 3500. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, I won't be surprised if the reboots run their course quickly. Going back to the classic style probably won't work though. There's a reason they tried the reboot in the first place.
Quote from: spazaru on April 09, 2016, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 01:44:50 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 08, 2016, 11:34:12 AM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 10:15:58 AM
The #'s listed above for the two reboots have to be a real disappointment for ACP. That is a huge decline from the first issue of Archie, but I imagine they were expecting that. I don't know if they would have expected it to be down to just over 18,000 just after issue #6 though. The Jughead reboot didn't even really start off that great and is also on a huge decline just after 3 issues. If these fail or even just the Jughead reboot fails what impact will this have on the Betty and Veronica Reboot?
18,000? that's still 5 times what the old title was selling the last couple of years
2 things: It's TWICE, not 5 times what the average issue sold in 2014. Sales fell from the first issue to the second more than 70%, and from the 2nd issue to the 6th another 40%. That's only in the space of 7 months! So how many copies will it be selling a year from now? Two years from now? Because that's about as long as you can expect it to last.
OK, sorry, I could swear I remember issues that were reported selling 3500. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, I won't be surprised if the reboots run their course quickly. Going back to the classic style probably won't work though. There's a reason they tried the reboot in the first place.
I don't think they will go back to the Classic Style either. As you have seen with the numbers on the other chart over the decades when they were doing the Classic style the numbers have drastically dropped. I have no idea what they will try next.
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 09, 2016, 09:51:24 AM
Quote from: spazaru on April 09, 2016, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 01:44:50 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 08, 2016, 11:34:12 AM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 10:15:58 AM
The #'s listed above for the two reboots have to be a real disappointment for ACP. That is a huge decline from the first issue of Archie, but I imagine they were expecting that. I don't know if they would have expected it to be down to just over 18,000 just after issue #6 though. The Jughead reboot didn't even really start off that great and is also on a huge decline just after 3 issues. If these fail or even just the Jughead reboot fails what impact will this have on the Betty and Veronica Reboot?
18,000? that's still 5 times what the old title was selling the last couple of years
2 things: It's TWICE, not 5 times what the average issue sold in 2014. Sales fell from the first issue to the second more than 70%, and from the 2nd issue to the 6th another 40%. That's only in the space of 7 months! So how many copies will it be selling a year from now? Two years from now? Because that's about as long as you can expect it to last.
OK, sorry, I could swear I remember issues that were reported selling 3500. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, I won't be surprised if the reboots run their course quickly. Going back to the classic style probably won't work though. There's a reason they tried the reboot in the first place.
I don't think they will go back to the Classic Style either. As you have seen with the numbers on the other chart over the decades when they were doing the Classic style the numbers have drastically dropped. I have no idea what they will try next.
Here's the basic problem. There are enough "people out there" who like Classic Style Archie... and when I say "people out there" I don't mean 'people
in there' -- i.e. the people 'inside the comic book hobby' who read the kind of comic books that comic book shop customers prefer to read. The intersection of those two sets is marginally small (...and when I say "people" I'm talking about a large percentage of them being kids). Probably a large enough chunk of the adult comic hobbyists are already here on this board, or blogging about Archie on various websites.
So the problem is to get classic Archie out where it's within arm's reach of the average potential customers (who aren't going to make a trip to the comic book store), AND to make it available at price point and in a format that's palatable to those consumers (and what I'm strongly hinting here is that to those consumers, $3-4 for a 20-page floppy comic is NOT palatable, even could you put those kind of comics within their reach... and you can't even do that, really). So, something like a digest, that has more pages and is more substantial than a floppy, but also more new material as well, to keep a contemporary connection to the world inhabited by kids.
Those adult comic hobbyists (like myself) need to be marketed to, also... if the material is choice, the toll will be paid for upscale formats.
In-between those two extremes are the digital people, both younger and older. If you had every Archie story from the last 60 years digitized, indexed and archived with full credits and original sources cited, you could sell individual stories (a typical 5 or 6-pager) for as little as 50 cents each, or let people pick stories
ala carte for a set price (cheaper the more stories you buy), and then just track what's selling, looking for trends and categories to group them into. Then start publishing collections according to which characters, artists, eras, or themes are proving popular. Let every digital customer preview the first two pages of story (except for those that are that short to begin with), then decide to buy it, pass, or add to their basket for a bundle rate after they're done picking. The problem with digital now is there's too much duplication of stories in different collections, and most of those collections don't have contents listed, writers and artists or dates of original publication listed. Everything should be linked so you could find stories according to characters, writers, or artists. Since ACP is not, for the most part, selling graphic novels composed of a lot of longer, continued stories that make up some natural collection, they need to get it all sorted and indexed, so they can see what is actually attractive to customers and what isn't.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 09, 2016, 11:16:14 AM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 09, 2016, 09:51:24 AM
Quote from: spazaru on April 09, 2016, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 01:44:50 PM
Quote from: spazaru on April 08, 2016, 11:34:12 AM
Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 10:15:58 AM
The #'s listed above for the two reboots have to be a real disappointment for ACP. That is a huge decline from the first issue of Archie, but I imagine they were expecting that. I don't know if they would have expected it to be down to just over 18,000 just after issue #6 though. The Jughead reboot didn't even really start off that great and is also on a huge decline just after 3 issues. If these fail or even just the Jughead reboot fails what impact will this have on the Betty and Veronica Reboot?
18,000? that's still 5 times what the old title was selling the last couple of years
2 things: It's TWICE, not 5 times what the average issue sold in 2014. Sales fell from the first issue to the second more than 70%, and from the 2nd issue to the 6th another 40%. That's only in the space of 7 months! So how many copies will it be selling a year from now? Two years from now? Because that's about as long as you can expect it to last.
OK, sorry, I could swear I remember issues that were reported selling 3500. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, I won't be surprised if the reboots run their course quickly. Going back to the classic style probably won't work though. There's a reason they tried the reboot in the first place.
I don't think they will go back to the Classic Style either. As you have seen with the numbers on the other chart over the decades when they were doing the Classic style the numbers have drastically dropped. I have no idea what they will try next.
Here's the basic problem. There are enough "people out there" who like Classic Style Archie... and when I say "people out there" I don't mean 'people in there' -- i.e. the people 'inside the comic book hobby' who read the kind of comic books that comic book shop customers prefer to read. The intersection of those two sets is marginally small (...and when I say "people" I'm talking about a large percentage of them being kids). Probably a large enough chunk of the adult comic hobbyists are already here on this board, or blogging about Archie on various websites.
So the problem is to get classic Archie out where it's within arm's reach of the average potential customers (who aren't going to make a trip to the comic book store), AND to make it available at price point and in a format that's palatable to those consumers (and what I'm strongly hinting here is that to those consumers, $3-4 for a 20-page floppy comic is NOT palatable, even could you put those kind of comics within their reach... and you can't even do that, really). So, something like a digest, that has more pages and is more substantial than a floppy, but also more new material as well, to keep a contemporary connection to the world inhabited by kids.
Those adult comic hobbyists (like myself) need to be marketed to, also... if the material is choice, the toll will be paid for upscale formats.
In-between those two extremes are the digital people, both younger and older. If you had every Archie story from the last 60 years digitized, indexed and archived with full credits and original sources cited, you could sell individual stories (a typical 5 or 6-pager) for as little as 50 cents each, or let people pick stories ala carte for a set price (cheaper the more stories you buy), and then just track what's selling, looking for trends and categories to group them into. Then start publishing collections according to which characters, artists, eras, or themes are proving popular. Let every digital customer preview the first two pages of story (except for those that are that short to begin with), then decide to buy it, pass, or add to their basket for a bundle rate after they're done picking. The problem with digital now is there's too much duplication of stories in different collections, and most of those collections don't have contents listed, writers and artists or dates of original publication listed. Everything should be linked so you could find stories according to characters, writers, or artists. Since ACP is not, for the most part, selling graphic novels composed of a lot of longer, continued stories that make up some natural collection, they need to get it all sorted and indexed, so they can see what is actually attractive to customers and what isn't.
The funny thing is that fans are doing the indexing for ACP for free on comics.org.
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 08, 2016, 09:58:35 AM
Another thing which is interesting, if 75% of Archie fans prefer the old Archie why aren't sales reflecting that? Were these fans only buying digests and not the floppies? Why wasn't this enough to keep the old Archie alive even though they were probably making more money paying the artists less?
As I've said, the company's bread & butter is those digests. Sales have dipped on those but they remain Archie's financial rock. The problem with the 32 page books is distribution, which admittedly is NOT an easy problem to overcome they way things stand today! The 32's don't do well in comic shops and newsstand outlets don't want to carry them either. Unfortunately rather than look for alternatives to their distribution, Archie has utterly convinced themselves that the direct market is the only way to go!
A few years ago, one of the higher-up said to me "The five page story is dead" because they can't "promote it." I thought this was insanely incorrect. Their leading product, then as now, was the digests which was PACKED with five page stories. They needed MORE five-pagers! Not less! Ironically, today (at least as of the last time I was up at Archie) the ONLY new classic Archie stories being produced are only five pages long. Sadly, this is more because that's all they want to spring for than anything else.
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 08, 2016, 09:58:35 AM
Also I'm not sure why they bother with the trade paperbacks when sales of those are less than the individual issues.
I don't think they are much anymore. They really have cooled off on those. I think they were disappointed in the sales of everything except those Best Of books.
Wonder how many copies the digital collections are selling.
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:16:23 PM
Wonder how many copies the digital collections are selling.
Do you think most people who are reading digital are purchasing them individually or do you feel they choose the Unlimited monthly method?
Quote from: The Bee on April 09, 2016, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:16:23 PM
Wonder how many copies the digital collections are selling.
Do you think most people who are reading digital are purchasing them individually or do you feel they choose the Unlimited monthly method?
Most probably use unlimited as it's way cheaper.
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:26:57 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 09, 2016, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 09, 2016, 05:16:23 PM
Wonder how many copies the digital collections are selling.
Do you think most people who are reading digital are purchasing them individually or do you feel they choose the Unlimited monthly method?
Most probably use unlimited as it's way cheaper.
I am all new to the digital experience and I did just recently purchase the Unlimited monthly option. I am enjoying so far especially reading the digital exclusive releases..
I like both, I love the zaniness of Classic (60s-70s) Archie, and I really liked Dan Parent's recent stuff but while reading the last of classic Archie I really yearned for the titles to be like other comic books with continuity, story arcs, and character growth. In that vein, I really enjoy the new Archie, though I really want Betty and Veronica standalone books, Reggie too.
Quote from: kassandralove on April 10, 2016, 02:27:10 AM
Archie Reboot + Riverdale series = suicide.
Someone should make a change petition and slap Archie owners across the face with it.
Let's band together and fix this before they ruin everything !
It's kind of hard to argue with the fact that they managed to fool a couple thousand comic shop retailers into ordering over 100,000 copies of ARCHIE #1, so that's got to count for something (many of those comics are probably still sitting in retailers' back rooms in unopened boxes). Still, make enough variant covers of a comic and hype it enough, and you can trick them into buying almost anything. You have to wonder if that doesn't sour a lot of retailers on the company going forward, though.
I guess if the company could survive the
To Riverdale and Back Again TV-movie in 1990, they can live through another awful TV pilot. It's not as if they're tying up their own money in it.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:17:58 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 10, 2016, 02:27:10 AM
Archie Reboot + Riverdale series = suicide.
Someone should make a change petition and slap Archie owners across the face with it.
Let's band together and fix this before they ruin everything !
It's kind of hard to argue with the fact that they managed to fool a couple thousand comic shop retailers into ordering over 100,000 copies of ARCHIE #1, so that's got to count for something (many of those comics are probably still sitting in retailers' back rooms in unopened boxes). Still, make enough variant covers of a comic and hype it enough, and you can trick them into buying almost anything. You have to wonder if that doesn't sour a lot of retailers on the company going forward, though.
I guess if the company could survive the To Riverdale and Back Again TV-movie in 1990, they can live through another awful TV pilot. It's not as if they're tying up their own money in it.
I wouldn't be surprised if they actually sold most of those Archie 1s. My friend until recently owned a comic shop. His shop didn't even carry Archie until the reboot but he ordered 100 of #1. He regretted not ordering more and he sold out of all 100 in a day. His store was NOT big and he didn't sell it because it was really successful LOL. There are just so many people who are #1 geeks, convincing themselves that any #1 will be valuable down the line. I doubt this one will, but apparently a lot of people think so.
Wait a second... :-\ How many of us know shop owners?
Quote from: invisifan on April 10, 2016, 07:57:56 AM
Wait a second... :-\ How many of us know shop owners?
I sold my comics just recently to a local comic shop owner, but other than that I do not know him.
Quote from: spazaru on April 10, 2016, 07:18:12 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:17:58 AM
It's kind of hard to argue with the fact that they managed to fool a couple thousand comic shop retailers into ordering over 100,000 copies of ARCHIE #1, so that's got to count for something (many of those comics are probably still sitting in retailers' back rooms in unopened boxes). Still, make enough variant covers of a comic and hype it enough, and you can trick them into buying almost anything. You have to wonder if that doesn't sour a lot of retailers on the company going forward, though.
I guess if the company could survive the To Riverdale and Back Again TV-movie in 1990, they can live through another awful TV pilot. It's not as if they're tying up their own money in it.
Every comic shop I've been to in several different states Missouri, Kansas, Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, and now Ohio has piles of random Archie number 1 variants and has had them for months. That 100,000 number is probably the number comic shops ordered. Who knows how many they actually sold.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:17:58 AM
I guess if the company could survive the To Riverdale and Back Again TV-movie in 1990, they can live through another awful TV pilot. It's not as if they're tying up their own money in it.
For whatever reason, Archie is betting A LOT on this pilot. They really believe this show will improve things for the company. I don't know how those dots connect but that's what they're saying.
Deep, deep, deep down, my secret belief is that, as with all of their premature announcements, the pilot is intended to give the company enough of an illusion of relevancy that they can sell it. That's just my theory though.
I'm actually a bit surprised at all the hype this pilot is getting because The CW isn't a big network, nor has it ever been. They've had some hits over the years, but it's been a while to my knowledge.
Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 10, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
I'm actually a bit surprised at all the hype this pilot is getting because The CW isn't a big network, nor has it ever been. They've had some hits over the years, but it's been a while to my knowledge.
In my area the CW is probably the 5th most popular non cable network behind the big three of ABC, NBC,CBS, and also behind FOX.
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 12:31:17 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:17:58 AM
I guess if the company could survive the To Riverdale and Back Again TV-movie in 1990, they can live through another awful TV pilot. It's not as if they're tying up their own money in it.
For whatever reason, Archie is betting A LOT on this pilot. They really believe this show will improve things for the company. I don't know how those dots connect but that's what they're saying.
Deep, deep, deep down, my secret belief is that, as with all of their premature announcements, the pilot is intended to give the company enough of an illusion of relevancy that they can sell it. That's just my theory though.
At this point, I think Archie might be better off if sold. As it stands now, how much worse could it get?
Quote from: HarryLuceyFan on April 10, 2016, 12:58:26 PM
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 12:31:17 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:17:58 AM
I guess if the company could survive the To Riverdale and Back Again TV-movie in 1990, they can live through another awful TV pilot. It's not as if they're tying up their own money in it.
For whatever reason, Archie is betting A LOT on this pilot. They really believe this show will improve things for the company. I don't know how those dots connect but that's what they're saying.
Deep, deep, deep down, my secret belief is that, as with all of their premature announcements, the pilot is intended to give the company enough of an illusion of relevancy that they can sell it. That's just my theory though.
At this point, I think Archie might be better off if sold. As it stands now, how much worse could it get?
I think the owner of ACP has way too big of an ego(Kind of like Reggie Mantle) to even think of selling the company.
Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 10, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
I'm actually a bit surprised at all the hype this pilot is getting because The CW isn't a big network, nor has it ever been.
Keep in mind "hype" is a relative thing. To those of us with an interest in Archie who are following this, it might seem like a good deal of exposure, but most of the World has no idea that this is happening.
The CW is probably the best chance this thing has to actually happen. Unlike the major networks, the CW has a much, much lower threshold for what constitutes "a hit." The pilot, from my understanding, has actually been pretty expensive due to the large cast. It's doubtful that such an expense would be paid without someone making sure it at least airs SOMEWHERE!
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 01:06:21 PM
Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 10, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
I'm actually a bit surprised at all the hype this pilot is getting because The CW isn't a big network, nor has it ever been.
Keep in mind "hype" is a relative thing. To those of us with an interest in Archie who are following this, it might seem like a good deal of exposure, but most of the World has no idea that this is happening.
The CW is probably the best chance this thing has to actually happen. Unlike the major networks, the CW has a much, much lower threshold for what constitutes "a hit." The pilot, from my understanding, has actually been pretty expensive due to the large cast. It's doubtful that such an expense would be paid without someone making sure it at least airs SOMEWHERE!
So if the determination to go with a first season will be made sometime in mid to late May, does that mean the CW will be airing the Pilot to the public sometime early next month?
I can see the logic in thinking a TV show will help with comic sales. When I was a kid I bought TMNT Adventures because I watched the cartoon, same with Ghostbusters, Beetlejuice, and even Captain Planet.
...Of course the way the Archie reboot is and the way the pilot for the TV show has been described, it kind of reminds me when my mom got me The Toxic Avenger movie because she knew I liked The Toxic Crusader cartoon. Kind of a whole world of difference. :)
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 12:31:17 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:17:58 AM
I guess if the company could survive the To Riverdale and Back Again TV-movie in 1990, they can live through another awful TV pilot. It's not as if they're tying up their own money in it.
For whatever reason, Archie is betting A LOT on this pilot. They really believe this show will improve things for the company. I don't know how those dots connect but that's what they're saying.
Yeah, I don't see where the money flows there, either. Presumably with most of the superhero TV shows and movies, it comes from the ancillary merchandise that ties into the show or film, but Riverdale would have to be a monster hit show for that kind of merchandising to really have much chance of happening. It works for Image Comics in the case of The Walking Dead, because when the TV show generates new fans, they then hear about the comic and word of mouth is strongly positive about the comic. And while the storylines of the show and the comic aren't identical, the characters are really close. From everything I'm hearing about the Riverdale pilot, it bears little resemblance to the Archie comic book that ACP is selling, so they'd have to totally rework the comic to make it more familiar for the TV fans -- and even then, if it's not a compelling comic book, it's not going to hold those potential new readers. It's pretty much pie-in-the-sky, anyway. Phemonema like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (in its initial bloom of popularity in the late 80s/early 90s), and The Walking Dead (currently) are the one-in-a-thousand flukes of the comic industry, where comic and media adaptations fed off each other.
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 12:31:17 PMDeep, deep, deep down, my secret belief is that, as with all of their premature announcements, the pilot is intended to give the company enough of an illusion of relevancy that they can sell it. That's just my theory though.
That actually sounds like a much more plausible explanation. Not that it will likely work or anything, but that that's what they're really hoping for in the back of their pointy little heads.
Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 10, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
I'm actually a bit surprised at all the hype this pilot is getting because The CW isn't a big network, nor has it ever been. They've had some hits over the years, but it's been a while to my knowledge.
A drawing point may be that CW is currently making hits with Arrow & Flash for DC ...
Quote from: The Bee on April 10, 2016, 01:11:51 PM
So if the determination to go with a first season will be made sometime in mid to late May, does that mean the CW will be airing the Pilot to the public sometime early next month?
No. I believe the hope has been for this show to find a place on the CW's Fall schedule. Just recently however, the CW renewed I believe just about ALL of their current line-up. I don't know where that leaves a brand new pilot like Riverdale (IF it's picked up which it hasn't been yet!). If it's chosen as a mid-season replacement, it probably wouldn't air until 2017 which I imagine would be very frustrating for Archie Comics.
Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: The Bee on April 10, 2016, 01:11:51 PM
So if the determination to go with a first season will be made sometime in mid to late May, does that mean the CW will be airing the Pilot to the public sometime early next month?
No. I believe the hope has been for this show to find a place on the CW's Fall schedule. Just recently however, the CW renewed I believe just about ALL of their current line-up. I don't know where that leaves a brand new pilot like Riverdale (IF it's picked up which it hasn't been yet!). If it's chosen as a mid-season replacement, it probably wouldn't air until 2017 which I imagine would be very frustrating for Archie Comics.
So we may never see the Pilot? I imagine it would frustrate ACP if it doesn't air until 2017 especially with the sinking sales of the reboot titles.
Like I said in My Story thread where I was born in South Africa Archie Comics were not really available so I have never read a "Classic" style Archie Comic in my life. I have only seen images on the internet. Since I have moved to America in July 2015 I picked up both the rebooted series and am enjoying them and have still not felt the need to go back and read a "Classic" style Archie comic.
Classic Archie All The Way!!!!!!
I love both.
I prefer the Classic Archie.
I grew up with Classic Archie and that is what sticks with me. Those stories are part of my youth even though I am only 25 now, but those stories will stay with me forever. I also just am not into the new art style. I am not saying it is bad art, but it is not Archie to me.