Wait a second...  How many of us know shop owners?

Quote from: invisifan on April 10, 2016, 07:57:56 AM
Wait a second...  How many of us know shop owners?

I sold my comics just recently to a local comic shop owner, but other than that I do not know him.

Quote from: spazaru on April 10, 2016, 07:18:12 AM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:17:58 AM

It's kind of hard to argue with the fact that they managed to fool a couple thousand comic shop retailers into ordering over 100,000 copies of ARCHIE #1, so that's got to count for something (many of those comics are probably still sitting in retailers' back rooms in unopened boxes). Still, make enough variant covers of a comic and hype it enough, and you can trick them into buying almost anything. You have to wonder if that doesn't sour a lot of retailers on the company going forward, though.

I guess if the company could survive the To Riverdale and Back Again TV-movie in 1990, they can live through another awful TV pilot. It's not as if they're tying up their own money in it.

Every comic shop I've been to in several different states Missouri, Kansas, Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, and now Ohio has piles of random Archie number 1 variants and has had them for months. That 100,000 number is probably the number comic shops ordered. Who knows how many they actually sold.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:17:58 AM

I guess if the company could survive the To Riverdale and Back Again TV-movie in 1990, they can live through another awful TV pilot. It's not as if they're tying up their own money in it.

For whatever reason, Archie is betting A LOT on this pilot. They really believe this show will improve things for the company. I don't know how those dots connect but that's what they're saying.

Deep, deep, deep down, my secret belief is that, as with all of their premature announcements, the pilot is intended to give the company enough of an illusion of relevancy that they can sell it. That's just my theory though.

I'm actually a bit surprised at all the hype this pilot is getting because The CW isn't a big network, nor has it ever been. They've had some hits over the years, but it's been a while to my knowledge.

Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 10, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
I'm actually a bit surprised at all the hype this pilot is getting because The CW isn't a big network, nor has it ever been. They've had some hits over the years, but it's been a while to my knowledge.

In my area the CW is probably the 5th most popular non cable network behind the big three of ABC, NBC,CBS, and also behind FOX.

Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 12:31:17 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:17:58 AM

I guess if the company could survive the To Riverdale and Back Again TV-movie in 1990, they can live through another awful TV pilot. It's not as if they're tying up their own money in it.

For whatever reason, Archie is betting A LOT on this pilot. They really believe this show will improve things for the company. I don't know how those dots connect but that's what they're saying.

Deep, deep, deep down, my secret belief is that, as with all of their premature announcements, the pilot is intended to give the company enough of an illusion of relevancy that they can sell it. That's just my theory though.

At this point, I think Archie might be better off if sold. As it stands now, how much worse could it get?

Quote from: HarryLuceyFan on April 10, 2016, 12:58:26 PM

Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 12:31:17 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:17:58 AM

I guess if the company could survive the To Riverdale and Back Again TV-movie in 1990, they can live through another awful TV pilot. It's not as if they're tying up their own money in it.

For whatever reason, Archie is betting A LOT on this pilot. They really believe this show will improve things for the company. I don't know how those dots connect but that's what they're saying.

Deep, deep, deep down, my secret belief is that, as with all of their premature announcements, the pilot is intended to give the company enough of an illusion of relevancy that they can sell it. That's just my theory though.

At this point, I think Archie might be better off if sold. As it stands now, how much worse could it get?

I think the owner of ACP has way too big of an ego(Kind of like Reggie Mantle) to even think of selling the company.

Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 10, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
I'm actually a bit surprised at all the hype this pilot is getting because The CW isn't a big network, nor has it ever been.

Keep in mind "hype" is a relative thing. To those of us with an interest in Archie who are following this, it might seem like a good deal of exposure, but most of the World has no idea that this is happening.

The CW is probably the best chance this thing has to actually happen. Unlike the major networks, the CW has a much, much lower threshold for what constitutes "a hit." The pilot, from my understanding, has actually been pretty expensive due to the large cast. It's doubtful that such an expense would be paid without someone making sure it at least airs SOMEWHERE!

Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 01:06:21 PM

Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 10, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
I'm actually a bit surprised at all the hype this pilot is getting because The CW isn't a big network, nor has it ever been.

Keep in mind "hype" is a relative thing. To those of us with an interest in Archie who are following this, it might seem like a good deal of exposure, but most of the World has no idea that this is happening.

The CW is probably the best chance this thing has to actually happen. Unlike the major networks, the CW has a much, much lower threshold for what constitutes "a hit." The pilot, from my understanding, has actually been pretty expensive due to the large cast. It's doubtful that such an expense would be paid without someone making sure it at least airs SOMEWHERE!

So if the determination to go with a first season will be made sometime in mid to late May, does that mean the CW will be airing the Pilot to the public sometime early next month?

I can see the logic in thinking a TV show will help with comic sales. When I was a kid I bought TMNT Adventures because I watched the cartoon, same with Ghostbusters, Beetlejuice, and even Captain Planet.

...Of course the way the Archie reboot is and the way the pilot for the TV show has been described, it kind of reminds me when my mom got me The Toxic Avenger movie because she knew I liked The Toxic Crusader cartoon. Kind of a whole world of difference.

Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 12:31:17 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 10, 2016, 04:17:58 AM

I guess if the company could survive the To Riverdale and Back Again TV-movie in 1990, they can live through another awful TV pilot. It's not as if they're tying up their own money in it.

For whatever reason, Archie is betting A LOT on this pilot. They really believe this show will improve things for the company. I don't know how those dots connect but that's what they're saying.

Yeah, I don't see where the money flows there, either. Presumably with most of the superhero TV shows and movies, it comes from the ancillary merchandise that ties into the show or film, but Riverdale would have to be a monster hit show for that kind of merchandising to really have much chance of happening. It works for Image Comics in the case of The Walking Dead, because when the TV show generates new fans, they then hear about the comic and word of mouth is strongly positive about the comic. And while the storylines of the show and the comic aren't identical, the characters are really close. From everything I'm hearing about the Riverdale pilot, it bears little resemblance to the Archie comic book that ACP is selling, so they'd have to totally rework the comic to make it more familiar for the TV fans -- and even then, if it's not a compelling comic book, it's not going to hold those potential new readers. It's pretty much pie-in-the-sky, anyway. Phemonema like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (in its initial bloom of popularity in the late 80s/early 90s), and The Walking Dead (currently) are the one-in-a-thousand flukes of the comic industry, where comic and media adaptations fed off each other.

Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 12:31:17 PMDeep, deep, deep down, my secret belief is that, as with all of their premature announcements, the pilot is intended to give the company enough of an illusion of relevancy that they can sell it. That's just my theory though.

That actually sounds like a much more plausible explanation. Not that it will likely work or anything, but that that's what they're really hoping for in the back of their pointy little heads.

Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 10, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
I'm actually a bit surprised at all the hype this pilot is getting because The CW isn't a big network, nor has it ever been. They've had some hits over the years, but it's been a while to my knowledge.

A drawing point may be that CW is currently making hits with Arrow & Flash for DC ...

Quote from: The Bee on April 10, 2016, 01:11:51 PM

So if the determination to go with a first season will be made sometime in mid to late May, does that mean the CW will be airing the Pilot to the public sometime early next month?

No. I believe the hope has been for this show to find a place on the CW's Fall schedule. Just recently however, the CW renewed I believe just about ALL of their current line-up. I don't know where that leaves a brand new pilot like Riverdale (IF it's picked up which it hasn't been yet!). If it's chosen as a mid-season replacement, it probably wouldn't air until 2017 which I imagine would be very frustrating for Archie Comics.

Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 10, 2016, 04:26:11 PM

Quote from: The Bee on April 10, 2016, 01:11:51 PM

So if the determination to go with a first season will be made sometime in mid to late May, does that mean the CW will be airing the Pilot to the public sometime early next month?

No. I believe the hope has been for this show to find a place on the CW's Fall schedule. Just recently however, the CW renewed I believe just about ALL of their current line-up. I don't know where that leaves a brand new pilot like Riverdale (IF it's picked up which it hasn't been yet!). If it's chosen as a mid-season replacement, it probably wouldn't air until 2017 which I imagine would be very frustrating for Archie Comics.

So we may never see the Pilot? I imagine it would frustrate ACP if it doesn't air until 2017 especially with the sinking sales of the reboot titles.