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Which do you prefer - Classic Archie or New Archie?

Started by HarryLuceyFan, April 05, 2016, 07:35:25 pm

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Which do you prefer - Classic Archie or New Archie?

I prefer Classic Archie - The reboot doesn't compare
25 (64.1%)
I like all things Archie equally
9 (23.1%)
New Archie is better than Old Archie
5 (12.8%)

Total Members Voted: 39

Great Gazoo

I prefer the classic stories and the art because that is what i grew up with. If they would have a good story which I don't really mind in the Archie reboot right now, but I just cannot get into the Jughead storyline. This really makes me upset because Jughead is my favorite character. The frequent changes in artists in the short time also aggravates me as I never have a chance to get use to one artist and then it is off to another artists interpretation of the characters.

irishmoxie

Well this poll speaks for itself. I wonder why ACP doesn't go back to the old style.

Great Gazoo

Quote from: irishmoxie on April 07, 2016, 08:54:11 pm
Well this poll speaks for itself. I wonder why ACP doesn't go back to the old style.
I just don't understand why both can't exist.

BettyReggie

I love both styles. Erica draws a great Jughead & so does Rex Lindsey. I collect both styles. 3 of my commissions are from Gisele & Dan, actually 2 are from Dan & Fernando, but 2 are from artists that new artists that draw in their style. Thomas Pitilli drawed Reggie for me. And Gabbi Gross drawed Betty & Reggie for me in her style.

Mr.Lodge

Like new Archie but will always like classic Archie better.

The new Jughead is garbage in every way shape and form. Gave up on it quickly. Maybe they should reboot the reboot.  :buck2:
Erica Henderson doesn't draw. She scribbles. Saw a few samples of Squirrel Girl and she's punching way above her weight class.  :2funny:

Oldiesmann

They're bringing in a new artist, at least temporarily, for Jughead. I still wish they'd just use Dan or Fernando instead. Both have proven they can draw the "new" style just as well as the classic style.

DeCarlo Rules

April 08, 2016, 01:02:02 am #21 Last Edit: April 08, 2016, 01:10:09 am by DeCarlo Rules
Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 08, 2016, 12:44:30 am
They're bringing in a new artist, at least temporarily, for Jughead. I still wish they'd just use Dan or Fernando instead. Both have proven they can draw the "new" style just as well as the classic style.


My #1 choice for the definitive living Jughead artist would be Rex Lindsay. My #2 choice would be Fernando Ruiz. They both did a great job and are the two living artists (other than George Frese and Samm Schwartz) that I most associate with Jughead. Fernando also does a great job on the occasional Chuck Clayton or Reggie story, so those are 2 more characters I primarily associate with him. Dan Parent I associate more with Betty & Veronica, as the best artist for those characters.

The new artist replacing Erica Henderson is Derek Charm. At least it's a definite improvement.


Fernando Ruiz

Quote from: irishmoxie on April 07, 2016, 08:54:11 pm
Well this poll speaks for itself. I wonder why ACP doesn't go back to the old style.



In one of my last conversations with Archie (a couple of months ago now) I was told that Archie doesn't believe there is enough retailer interest to support a regular Classic Archie title. This excludes digests.


Now the rebooted Archie title is hemorrhaging readers every single month. Issue 6 sold around 18K copies which is down an insane 82% from Issue #1 in only FIVE issues! Of course there are a few factors that artificially inflate #1's 100K sales but that 82% drop is still there. All that having been said, even at 18K copies, the current Archie book is still selling better than the Classic Archie title. Keep in mind though that the Rebooted Archie book is a more expensive book to put out than the classic Archie. Mark Waid don't come cheap and as far as the art goes, all of the reboot artists are being paid far better than I was.


All this means is that Archie Comics... right NOW... is probably happier with the current Archie title than they were with the previous one. The new title is still doing better than the old one and it gets them some "buzz." At the very least, they have the illusion of being a "hip, happening" company. If sales continue to ebb on that book though, some realities are going to have to be faced very soon.





Fernando Ruiz

April 08, 2016, 01:17:20 am #23 Last Edit: April 08, 2016, 01:19:02 am by Fernando Ruiz
Quote from: Oldiesmann on April 08, 2016, 12:44:30 am
I still wish they'd just use Dan or Fernando instead. Both have proven they can draw the "new" style just as well as the classic style.



Thanks but Archie does not believe that our names can sell a regular book. They've told us this point blank!! They are stupidly addicted to having a "big name" attached to every book.


It's not a very smart attitude considering that Archie Vs Predator sold an average of about 35 K copies per issue, a huge hit in Archie terms, and Archie Vs Sharknado completely sold out! Granted these books have the added hook of Predator and Sharknade, but the point is, our names didn't drive readers away. In fact, AVP was widely praised because it LOOKED like a classic Archie book!



DeCarlo Rules

At the rate they are going, I'll be surprised if the reboot outlasts the run of KEVIN KELLER.

Mr.Lodge

April 08, 2016, 02:36:15 am #25 Last Edit: April 08, 2016, 03:34:14 am by Mr.Lodge
My tribute to the departing (thank god) Erica Henderson.....


Mr.Lodge

Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 08, 2016, 01:17:20 am
Thanks but Archie does not believe that our names can sell a regular book. They've told us this point blank!! They are stupidly addicted to having a "big name" attached to every book.


Fernando, ask ACP if this guy's available: Hubert Blaine Wolfeschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorff  ;D

Mr.Lodge

How many copies of the new Jughead selling? Probably a LOT less than 18K? I'll guess around 10K. :2funny:

invisifan

Quote from: Fernando Ruiz on April 08, 2016, 01:17:20 am
It's not a very smart attitude considering that Archie Vs Predator sold an average of about 35 K copies per issue, a huge hit in Archie terms, and Archie Vs Sharknado completely sold out! Granted these books have the added hook of Predator and Sharknade, but the point is, our names didn't drive readers away. In fact, AVP was widely praised because it LOOKED like a classic Archie book!
I'd say Sharknado was a pretty rusty hook...

DeCarlo Rules

April 08, 2016, 03:45:37 am #29 Last Edit: April 08, 2016, 04:05:53 am by DeCarlo Rules
Quote from: Mr.Lodge on April 08, 2016, 02:46:51 am
How many copies of the new Jughead selling? Probably a LOT less than 18K? I'll guess around 10K. :2funny:


Sales estimates for the rebooted titles (source: www.comichron.com):

ARCHIE #1 (July 2015) = 101,488
ARCHIE #1 (Aug. 2015) = +2,860 (reorders)
ARCHIE #2 (Aug. 2015) = 30,642
ARCHIE #3 (Oct. 2015) = 27,734
ARCHIE #4 (Nov. 2015) = 25,824
ARCHIE COLLECTORS EDITION [$9.99] (Dec. 2015) = 3,405
ARCHIE #5 (Jan. 2016) = 20,677
ARCHIE #6 (Feb. 2016) = 18,401

JUGHEAD #1 (Oct. 2015) = 32,118
JUGHEAD #2 (Nov. 2015) = 15,973
JUGHEAD #3 (Dec. 2015) = 12,229

No sales estimates available for March 2016 as yet. It would be fair to say there's a general downward trend in effect here, though. Exactly when or at what number it will level out is anyone's guess.

Comparative historical sales data provided for putting these sales figures in perspective:
http://www.comichron.com/titlespotlights/archie.html
Keep in mind that the last recorded years of sales data for the classic Archie series logged sales of 11,098 (2013) and 9,052 (2014).

Based on the trend of ARCHIE sales figures, a run of about 12-15 issues in total seems about right.


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