Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 03:45:37 AM

Quote from: Mr.Lodge on April 08, 2016, 02:46:51 AM
How many copies of the new Jughead selling? Probably a LOT less than 18K? I'll guess around 10K.

Sales estimates for the rebooted titles (source: www.comichron.com):

ARCHIE #1 (July 2015) = 101,488
ARCHIE #1 (Aug. 2015) = +2,860 (reorders)
ARCHIE #2 (Aug. 2015) = 30,642
ARCHIE #3 (Oct. 2015) = 27,734
ARCHIE #4 (Nov. 2015) = 25,824
ARCHIE COLLECTORS EDITION [$9.99] (Dec. 2015) = 3,405
ARCHIE #5 (Jan. 2016) = 20,677
ARCHIE #6 (Feb. 2016) = 18,401

JUGHEAD #1 (Oct. 2015) = 32,118
JUGHEAD #2 (Nov. 2015) = 15,973
JUGHEAD #3 (Dec. 2015) = 12,229

No sales estimates available for March 2016 as yet. It would be fair to say there's a general downward trend in effect here, though. Exactly when or at what number it will level out is anyone's guess.

Comparative historical sales data provided for putting these sales figures in perspective:
http://www.comichron.com/titlespotlights/archie.html
Keep in mind that the last recorded years of sales data for the classic Archie series logged sales of 11,098 (2013) and 9,052 (2014).

Based on the trend of ARCHIE sales figures, a run of about 12-15 issues in total seems about right.

Classic Archie or New Archie are not selling enough.
Archie is dying slowly! 
Maybe Riverdale TV Series is the last chance to save Archie. 

Quote from: nuageo on April 08, 2016, 04:31:47 AM
Classic Archie or New Archie are not selling enough.
Archie is dying slowly! 
Maybe Riverdale TV Series is the last chance to save Archie. 

That would be a case of the cure being worse than the disease. 

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 05:26:02 AM

Quote from: nuageo on April 08, 2016, 04:31:47 AM
Classic Archie or New Archie are not selling enough.
Archie is dying slowly! 
Maybe Riverdale TV Series is the last chance to save Archie. 

That would be a case of the cure being worse than the disease. 

Sometimes, the cure has a horrible taste, but it helps a lot. 

Wasn't everyone excited when the Archie reboot started, I was. I heard that Fiona Staples was going be the artist I was doing back flips. I love her style. I have the majority of Saga issues & books. She is awesome. If she could Jughead look handsome that's cool & she did.

Archie #113-666 (1960-2015)

SALES BY YEAR
1960: 500,200
1975: 199,291
1990: 56,855
2000: 27,551
2010: 14,413
2014: 9,052

Now, I understand why they did a New Archie! 

Quote from: nuageo on April 08, 2016, 08:12:23 AM
Archie #113-666 (1960-2015)

SALES BY YEAR
1960: 500,200
1975: 199,291
1990: 56,855
2000: 27,551
2010: 14,413
2014: 9,052

Now, I understand why they did a New Archie! 

I'll be interested to see if the new Archie makes the numbers spike up that much at all.

Classic Archie is like stand-up comedy — it's almost entirely about the humour and just a mostly unrelated series of snapshots that have no connection or consistency ... really old TV sit-coms were like that too — you could shuffle them like card and watch in any order ... it has a big up-side in reusability for the publisher, and you can pick up anything anywhere and read/watch with familiarity, but we are long past that in modern culture everything in TV and comics, books, movies and life grows, evolves and changesm and people — particularly newer generations grew up with that and expect and want it — "what happens next?" comedy now isn't stand-up for the most part, it's part of the ongoing stream rather than a series of random vignettes ...

That's where Archie has been failing, and what the reboot is trying to correct ... the TV show is trying to make it something completely different ... (my 2¢)

Like this?

Quote from: nuageo on April 08, 2016, 07:27:23 AM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 05:26:02 AM

Quote from: nuageo on April 08, 2016, 04:31:47 AM
Classic Archie or New Archie are not selling enough.
Archie is dying slowly! 
Maybe Riverdale TV Series is the last chance to save Archie. 

That would be a case of the cure being worse than the disease. 

Sometimes, the cure has a horrible taste, but it helps a lot. 

Depends on your definition of "it helps". If the cure for ailing Dr. Jekyll involves his transforming into "healthy" Mr. Hyde, then I'm gonna say... let the patient die a natural death with dignity.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 01:02:02 AM

The new artist replacing Erica Henderson is Derek Charm. At least it's a definite improvement.

He made Betty and Veronica pretty again. Hooray! I still can't forgive Erica for making them ugly

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 03:45:37 AM

Quote from: Mr.Lodge on April 08, 2016, 02:46:51 AM
How many copies of the new Jughead selling? Probably a LOT less than 18K? I'll guess around 10K.

Sales estimates for the rebooted titles (source: www.comichron.com):

ARCHIE #1 (July 2015) = 101,488
ARCHIE #1 (Aug. 2015) = +2,860 (reorders)
ARCHIE #2 (Aug. 2015) = 30,642
ARCHIE #3 (Oct. 2015) = 27,734
ARCHIE #4 (Nov. 2015) = 25,824
ARCHIE COLLECTORS EDITION [$9.99] (Dec. 2015) = 3,405
ARCHIE #5 (Jan. 2016) = 20,677
ARCHIE #6 (Feb. 2016) = 18,401

JUGHEAD #1 (Oct. 2015) = 32,118
JUGHEAD #2 (Nov. 2015) = 15,973
JUGHEAD #3 (Dec. 2015) = 12,229

No sales estimates available for March 2016 as yet. It would be fair to say there's a general downward trend in effect here, though. Exactly when or at what number it will level out is anyone's guess.

Comparative historical sales data provided for putting these sales figures in perspective:
http://www.comichron.com/titlespotlights/archie.html
Keep in mind that the last recorded years of sales data for the classic Archie series logged sales of 11,098 (2013) and 9,052 (2014).

Based on the trend of ARCHIE sales figures, a run of about 12-15 issues in total seems about right.

It would be interesting to see how much each issue of the Archie reboot is costing ACP factoring in production costs and artist and writer salaries versus the old Archie floppies. Like Fernando alluded to, I'm willing to bet they are spending a lot more per issue/copy.


Another thing which is interesting, if 75% of Archie fans prefer the old Archie why aren't sales reflecting that? Were these fans only buying digests and not the floppies? Why wasn't this enough to keep the old Archie alive even though they were probably making more money paying the artists less?


Also I'm not sure why they bother with the trade paperbacks when sales of those are less than the individual issues. Although they do cost more per unit.

Quote from: irishmoxie on April 08, 2016, 09:52:42 AM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 08, 2016, 01:02:02 AM

The new artist replacing Erica Henderson is Derek Charm. At least it's a definite improvement.

He made Betty and Veronica pretty again. Hooray! I still can't forgive Erica for making them ugly

I agree Erica Henderson was a disaster and Derek Charm seems like with the images above will do the comic justice.

The #'s listed above for the two reboots have to be a real disappointment for ACP. That is a huge decline from the first issue of Archie, but I imagine they were expecting that. I don't know if they would have expected it to be down to just over 18,000 just after issue #6 though. The Jughead reboot didn't even really start off that great and is also on a huge decline just after 3 issues. If these fail or even just the Jughead reboot fails what impact will this have on the Betty and Veronica Reboot?

Quote from: irishmoxie on April 08, 2016, 09:58:35 AM
It would be interesting to see how much each issue of the Archie reboot is costing ACP factoring in production costs and artist and writer salaries versus the old Archie floppies. Like Fernando alluded to, I'm willing to bet they are spending a lot more per issue/copy.

Another thing which is interesting, if 75% of Archie fans prefer the old Archie why aren't sales reflecting that? Were these fans only buying digests and not the floppies? Why wasn't this enough to keep the old Archie alive even though they were probably making more money paying the artists less?

Also I'm not sure why they bother with the trade paperbacks when sales of those are less than the individual issues. Although they do cost more per unit.

To answer your last question first... with rare exceptions, they don't, anymore. Although, in the past, certain individual TPB titles did fairly well, notably The Death of Archie, The Married Life (six books), The Best of Archie Comics (4 books, 5 if you count "75 Years 75 Stories"), B&V Storybooks (2 books), Freshman Year (2 books), Afterlife With Archie: Escape From Riverdale. Some others... did not so well, and the only ones that appear at this point in 2016 to be still economically viable are the omnibus digest reprints (1000 Page & Giant Comics).

Regarding this specific poll... you can hardly call this a random or scientific sampling, and the number of respondents wouldn't be large enough even if it were. So that 75% is hardly likely to be some kind of accurate figure. At best it represents an average opinion among those interested enough in Archie to seek out a message forum on that specific topic.

Regarding the productions costs, you must realize that ARCHIE #1 sold more comic books than ACP had sold in the entire previous year combined -- even if they did need to pay about 50 artists to do alternate cover artwork. Even without factoring in the cost of the advertising associated, it still turns out to be (averaging the cost over the four issues published in 2015) a sound return on investment.


How long it will continue to be, remains to be seen.

Quote from: Great Gazoo on April 08, 2016, 10:15:58 AM
The #'s listed above for the two reboots have to be a real disappointment for ACP. That is a huge decline from the first issue of Archie, but I imagine they were expecting that. I don't know if they would have expected it to be down to just over 18,000 just after issue #6 though. The Jughead reboot didn't even really start off that great and is also on a huge decline just after 3 issues. If these fail or even just the Jughead reboot fails what impact will this have on the Betty and Veronica Reboot?

18,000?  that's still 5 times what the old title was selling the last couple of years