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Title: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: nuageo on April 29, 2016, 01:55:14 AM
Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Many of these members are interesting and very active here.  :(

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Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: daren on April 29, 2016, 02:19:15 AM
plants?
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: irishmoxie on April 29, 2016, 02:48:55 AM
They comment on every thread of which there aren't very many and get bored and leave. This forum doesn't have a huge amount of action or differing opinions.


I noticed we can't keep kids here who all seemed to get bored and leave without warning. I'm starting to think they're all the same kid.


I'm looking for a new forum myself that discusses other comics besides Archie.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: daren on April 29, 2016, 02:52:48 AM
Why not discuss other comics here in general comics?  :)
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: invisifan on April 29, 2016, 03:04:45 AM
While I agree with that in general, it does limit many things to an Archie perspective...
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Cheryl on April 29, 2016, 03:58:29 AM

I signed up for this site about 1 1/2 years ago. Used to lurk a lot, there were a lot of great old threads to read. I forgot about my account after a short while due to being busy with my new job.


I came back about 2 weeks before all the data was deleted and posted a few times. There was a certain ignorant poster who seemed to infiltrate every innocent post and seemed to want to argue about everything. Made me reluctant to post or share an actual opinion and I'm probably not the only one who felt that way. Luckily that particular person no longer posts here. News of the Riverdale show resparked my interest in this forum, but I'm still surprised at the negativity regarding the show but it's alright.


Anyway, the data deletion itself was sort of a punch in the gut. Now those old threads I liked lurking are gone and it's hard to stay interested in "what did you buy today?" sort of clunky topics and clunky gigantic signatures. I feel like there's a large gap between what ultra-fans and casual-fans want to talk about, if that makes any sense. I agree forums are old news: pretty much every forum I go to is dead except for the imdb.com main forums. However I think a forum like this dedicated only to Archie is unique and I wish this forum could become active again. I wasn't and haven't been here long but I feel like I missed the glory days of this place.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: BettyReggie on April 29, 2016, 12:35:54 PM
I spent everyday on this site for 3 years. I joined April 30 2013. I missed the old site. I had so many good threads. What did you do today? Show us your Archie collection & What comics & books are you reading? The one about my family & I moving. But I restart a few of them. I was very close to 7,000 posts. It was a big part of my day. I had so many buddies. We all talk about Archie comics & our lifes. It was a great community. But we all there & we have a chance to make the site better than it was before.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 29, 2016, 01:39:02 PM
Yes, I have noticed that.  It also happened on the old forum. Most of those members are young, in their teens or very early 20's and maybe a couple are children. They comment a lot, their post count goes very high and then all of a sudden they vanish. I guess, they just lose interest and move on. But new members will always come.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 29, 2016, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: Queen Cheryl on April 29, 2016, 03:58:29 AM

I signed up for this site about 1 1/2 years ago. Used to lurk a lot, there were a lot of great old threads to read. I forgot about my account after a short while due to being busy with my new job.


I came back about 2 weeks before all the data was deleted and posted a few times. There was a certain ignorant poster who seemed to infiltrate every innocent post and seemed to want to argue about everything. Made me reluctant to post or share an actual opinion and I'm probably not the only one who felt that way. Luckily that particular person no longer posts here. News of the Riverdale show resparked my interest in this forum, but I'm still surprised at the negativity regarding the show but it's alright.


Anyway, the data deletion itself was sort of a punch in the gut. Now those old threads I liked lurking are gone and it's hard to stay interested in "what did you buy today?" sort of clunky topics and clunky gigantic signatures. I feel like there's a large gap between what ultra-fans and casual-fans want to talk about, if that makes any sense. I agree forums are old news: pretty much every forum I go to is dead except for the imdb.com main forums. However I think a forum like this dedicated only to Archie is unique and I wish this forum could become active again. I wasn't and haven't been here long but I feel like I missed the glory days of this place.


Well you can always start a new topic, one that is interesting to you.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Ronnie on April 29, 2016, 02:14:51 PM
Quote from: Queen Cheryl on April 29, 2016, 03:58:29 AM

However I think a forum like this dedicated only to Archie is unique and I wish this forum could become active again.

This. Big time. Too much superhero garbage out there to the point these basement-dwelling dweebs don't even have a life.  >:(
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Ronnie on April 29, 2016, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 29, 2016, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: Queen Cheryl on April 29, 2016, 03:58:29 AM

I signed up for this site about 1 1/2 years ago. Used to lurk a lot, there were a lot of great old threads to read. I forgot about my account after a short while due to being busy with my new job.


I came back about 2 weeks before all the data was deleted and posted a few times. There was a certain ignorant poster who seemed to infiltrate every innocent post and seemed to want to argue about everything. Made me reluctant to post or share an actual opinion and I'm probably not the only one who felt that way. Luckily that particular person no longer posts here. News of the Riverdale show resparked my interest in this forum, but I'm still surprised at the negativity regarding the show but it's alright.


Anyway, the data deletion itself was sort of a punch in the gut. Now those old threads I liked lurking are gone and it's hard to stay interested in "what did you buy today?" sort of clunky topics and clunky gigantic signatures. I feel like there's a large gap between what ultra-fans and casual-fans want to talk about, if that makes any sense. I agree forums are old news: pretty much every forum I go to is dead except for the imdb.com main forums. However I think a forum like this dedicated only to Archie is unique and I wish this forum could become active again. I wasn't and haven't been here long but I feel like I missed the glory days of this place.


Well you can always start a new topic, one that is interesting to you.

Or 'What kind of candy bars do you like' 'What's your shoe size'.... Y - A - W - N  :P

More interested in discussing 'actual Archie-related stuff'  :smitten:
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on April 29, 2016, 02:26:45 PM
Quote from: Queen Cheryl on April 29, 2016, 03:58:29 AM
Anyway, the data deletion itself was sort of a punch in the gut. Now those old threads I liked lurking are gone and it's hard to stay interested in "what did you buy today?" sort of clunky topics and clunky gigantic signatures. I feel like there's a large gap between what ultra-fans and casual-fans want to talk about, if that makes any sense. I agree forums are old news: pretty much every forum I go to is dead except for the imdb.com main forums. However I think a forum like this dedicated only to Archie is unique and I wish this forum could become active again. I wasn't and haven't been here long but I feel like I missed the glory days of this place.


I think you'll find that it's true for most forums that the activity there reflects what there is currently to talk about, about (in this case) what's happening in the world of Archie Comics. Since ACP isn't publishing a lot of titles right now, that means most of the conversation is going to be about the New Riverdale comics. When new Archie Horror issues come out, there will be some discussion on those, as well. It seems that there aren't a lot of heavy digest readers, or much to discuss about them that generates a lot of common interest apart from the new lead 5 page story. Some of those are notable, and some less so. Just in general, the lack of new stories coming out at the rate of a trickle tends not to generate much excitement. Apart from that there's Riverdale, the much-anticipated (by some) and much-dreaded (by others) TV pilot. Right now though, every time they dot an i or cross a t, it seems to generate some posting.


I wish I'd been around when they were still publishing most of the classic Archie titles including Archie, Archie & Friends, Betty, Betty and Veronica, Betty & Veronica Spectacular, Jughead, Life With Archie, Veronica, etc. As it was I showed up after Kevin Keller and Life With Archie had ended, and the end for Archie and Betty and Veronica was only a year away or less. I still get all the digests, and probably will at least until they stop running new stories in them (after which I might cut back to just the two B&V digests).
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Original Sin on April 29, 2016, 02:43:10 PM
I had a great time on this forum 2011-2013 (or was it 2014?) .
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: irishmoxie on April 29, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
Quote from: daren on April 29, 2016, 02:52:48 AM
Why not discuss other comics here in general comics?  :)


I tried starting Jem and the Holograms and Lumberjanes threads on the old forum and not too much interest there.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: irishmoxie on April 29, 2016, 03:50:56 PM
Quote from: kassandralove on April 29, 2016, 03:09:24 AM
I really think forums are old news. I can only stay active by using the tapatalk app because it's just cleaner and easier to read while I find going on from a computer to be to messy looking.

Also the active members here are really hardcore fans and most might come check it out but don't indulge enough- or merely just forget to come back.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


What fan communities do you think are still booming? I'm on Twitter a bit more now and talk to some of the comic book artists and writers. Are there any other places people discuss comics?


You can use Tapatalk but you miss out on the Shoutbox which is sometimes my favorite part of this forum.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: JonInIowaCity on April 29, 2016, 03:52:36 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 29, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
Quote from: daren on April 29, 2016, 02:52:48 AM
Why not discuss other comics here in general comics?  :)


I tried starting Jem and the Holograms and Lumberjanes threads on the old forum and not too much interest there.

I like Jem and I like Archie Comics. But sometimes I'm just a lurker in spirit. I'll try doing better at contributing. :)
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: irishmoxie on April 29, 2016, 04:15:34 PM
Quote from: Queen Cheryl on April 29, 2016, 03:58:29 AM

I signed up for this site about 1 1/2 years ago. Used to lurk a lot, there were a lot of great old threads to read. I forgot about my account after a short while due to being busy with my new job.


I came back about 2 weeks before all the data was deleted and posted a few times. There was a certain ignorant poster who seemed to infiltrate every innocent post and seemed to want to argue about everything. Made me reluctant to post or share an actual opinion and I'm probably not the only one who felt that way. Luckily that particular person no longer posts here. News of the Riverdale show resparked my interest in this forum, but I'm still surprised at the negativity regarding the show but it's alright.


Anyway, the data deletion itself was sort of a punch in the gut. Now those old threads I liked lurking are gone and it's hard to stay interested in "what did you buy today?" sort of clunky topics and clunky gigantic signatures. I feel like there's a large gap between what ultra-fans and casual-fans want to talk about, if that makes any sense. I agree forums are old news: pretty much every forum I go to is dead except for the imdb.com main forums. However I think a forum like this dedicated only to Archie is unique and I wish this forum could become active again. I wasn't and haven't been here long but I feel like I missed the glory days of this place.


There seems to be 2 types of posters on this forum. Those obsessed with classic Archie and that's the only comic they read and those that read lots of comics and Archie just happens to be one of them. I actually quite enjoy the "What comics are you reading thread?". I get a lot of recommendations from there.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Cheryl on April 29, 2016, 11:12:24 PM
I think facebook groups have really taken the place of forums. It's a site most people are on anyway and it's more convenient than traveling to a forum for some. In terms of music and bands, the groups can be pretty good on facebook. I'm not in any comic-related groups but the Archie official page gets a little discussion from fans, but a group would be better than a page.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: daren on April 30, 2016, 03:12:07 AM
This forum changed mostly because Archie Comics changed, harder to relax and just enjoy talking about the comics when the whole company is collapsing in front of us. Harder but not impossible. I could take or leave the Archie facebook page, they deleted comments about Archie sleeping with his teacher on the show and posting on facebook instead of a forum always feels like getting takeout food as opposed to eating in a restaurant. I'll probably go there anyway to tell them what I think of their moves but its no replacement for here.


Now those old threads I liked lurking are gone and it's hard to stay interested in "what did you buy today?" sort of clunky topics and clunky gigantic signatures.



Or 'What kind of candy bars do you like' 'What's your shoe size'.... Y - A - W - N


I'm looking for a new forum myself that discusses other comics besides Archie.


There seems to be 2 types of posters on this forum. Those obsessed with classic Archie and that's the only comic they read and those that read lots of comics and Archie just happens to be one of them.


There seem to be two types of complaint in this thread, people who think other people post about too much stuff besides Archie and people who think other people don't post enough about stuff besides Archie. Okay.  :)  You might want to try the CBR forums irishmoxie, I don't post there since I don't care to discuss my nonArchie stuff but they seem to cover everything. And to the people who like to post in the "what did you do today" threads, thanks for keeping the forum active.



Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on April 30, 2016, 05:56:21 PM
Quote from: daren on April 30, 2016, 03:12:07 AM
This forum changed mostly because Archie Comics changed, harder to relax and just enjoy talking about the comics when the whole company is collapsing in front of us. Harder but not impossible. I could take or leave the Archie facebook page, they deleted comments about Archie sleeping with his teacher on the show and posting on facebook instead of a forum always feels like getting takeout food as opposed to eating in a restaurant. I'll probably go there anyway to tell them what I think of their moves but its no replacement for here.


Now those old threads I liked lurking are gone and it's hard to stay interested in "what did you buy today?" sort of clunky topics and clunky gigantic signatures.



Or 'What kind of candy bars do you like' 'What's your shoe size'.... Y - A - W - N


I'm looking for a new forum myself that discusses other comics besides Archie.


There seems to be 2 types of posters on this forum. Those obsessed with classic Archie and that's the only comic they read and those that read lots of comics and Archie just happens to be one of them.


There seem to be two types of complaint in this thread, people who think other people post about too much stuff besides Archie and people who think other people don't post enough about stuff besides Archie. Okay.  :)  You might want to try the CBR forums irishmoxie, I don't post there since I don't care to discuss my nonArchie stuff but they seem to cover everything. And to the people who like to post in the "what did you do today" threads, thanks for keeping the forum active.




Sometimes there just isn't anything Archie-related to talk about, so why not post on the 'what are you watching' or 'listening' or 'doing' threads? At least, like Daren said, those threads keep the forum active. And people complaining about those threads, if they don't hold your interest well then create a new thread about something you want to talk about, whether it is Archie -related or about other comic  ;)
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: spazaru on April 30, 2016, 08:01:33 PM
Quote from: Queen Cheryl on April 29, 2016, 11:12:24 PM
I think facebook groups have really taken the place of forums. It's a site most people are on anyway and it's more convenient than traveling to a forum for some. In terms of music and bands, the groups can be pretty good on facebook. I'm not in any comic-related groups but the Archie official page gets a little discussion from fans, but a group would be better than a page.


You're aware there's a Fans of Archie Comics group on Facebook, right? It's great. 
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Meldarwin on April 30, 2016, 08:29:37 PM
I never left but had to reregister after the harder time/server issues. I check in almost every day but was a very infrequent poster.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Jabroniville on June 29, 2016, 03:40:07 AM
I think we get a LOT of people who come in, read/post in every single thread... and then having nothing new to say. So they get bored and leave. A lot of them come off as very young, and if people don't engage them immediately, they get tired of it and leave.

Then there's a couple of argumentative posters who can probably turn people off by reading into their posts and going after innocent things. In some cases, the person deserved being attacked (remember that guy who got all mad because he was called-out for being rude? Or the friggin' creepy "Do you think Ariel would like it if she had a beating heart outside her body?" kid?).
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Meldarwin on June 29, 2016, 03:51:10 AM
I quietly lurk.  :)
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Thrillho on June 29, 2016, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 29, 2016, 02:48:55 AM
They comment on every thread of which there aren't very many and get bored and leave. This forum doesn't have a huge amount of action or differing opinions.

I noticed we can't keep kids here who all seemed to get bored and leave without warning. I'm starting to think they're all the same kid.


Bingo.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Thrillho on June 29, 2016, 07:51:51 PM
Quote from: Meldarwin on June 29, 2016, 03:51:10 AM
I quietly lurk.  :)

I did that too when I first started out but I soon found out it's a lot more fun to participate. I'd like to see your opinions too.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Musical_Necromancer on June 29, 2016, 08:13:39 PM
since comics are a visual medium it's not hard to see why archie comics isn't discussed all that much   they don't do a lot of stuff that makes great use of comic books being pure eye candy

a lot of indie books and superhero comics do things that would be impossible to imagine on television or a movie

archie however....since it's always been typical teen drama  the visuals haven't been as "OMG!" or "Breathtaking"
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on June 30, 2016, 02:40:35 AM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 29, 2016, 04:15:34 PM
There seems to be 2 types of posters on this forum. Those obsessed with classic Archie and that's the only comic they read and those that read lots of comics and Archie just happens to be one of them. I actually quite enjoy the "What comics are you reading thread?". I get a lot of recommendations from there.

2 other types:
Those who read ONLY Archie Comics (but not JUST classic Archie) = spazaru

Those who read LOTS of comics, but for comics featuring the Archie characters, only really like the classic ones (= me). Not my fault they cancelled NEW CRUSADERS, THE FOX, and MEGA MAN - I enjoyed those, but not Dark Circle titles, Sonic titles, or New Riverdale titles. If Archie Horror goes on long enough, I'm sure I'll probably tire of those (just hanging in there hoping for some kind of resolution to the storylines).

The active threads here generally break down into six main interests:

1 - New Riverdale titles
2 - Archie digest/classic
3 - Archie Horror
4 - Riverdale TV
5 - ACP company/publishing/editorial (including solicitations)
6 - non-comics discussion

The reason there isn't more "other comics" discussion is pretty simple, when you think about it.

1 - At any given time, there are something like 1000 comic book titles being published.
2 - Of those, even the most voracious of comic readers can read only a tiny percentage.
3 - Of the active posters here, there are only a bare handful reading a significant number of titles other than ACP (or at least, a bare handful who have anything to say about them).
4 - Given the small number of other titles (apart from ACP) being read by active posters in relation to the potential number of titles out there, the overlap between any two active posters' reading lists is marginal.
5 - The same titles that any two active posters may be reading may fall on an entirely different range of the spectrum for each reader. In that slim margin of overlap, the comic that most excites you and about which you have a lot to say, may be a title about which I have little or nothing to say.
6 - All of the above being the case, "other comics" discussion tends to peak in "Archie-related" comics discussion (Pixie Trix, SitComics, AstroComix).
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Purgatori on June 30, 2016, 02:55:00 AM
I joined the forum because I'm interested in topics about Archie comics, who wrote or drew what issues, themes, characters, historical information etc. I visit almost daily and read a number of threads, but I'm not really a 'chatty' person
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: daren on June 30, 2016, 04:29:39 AM
I hope my comment about plants didn't sound wrong, I meant that ACP might have hired a plant to come on the board, not that Oldiesmann did.  :P
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: irishmoxie on June 30, 2016, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: daren on June 30, 2016, 04:29:39 AM
I hope my comment about plants didn't sound wrong, I meant that ACP might have hired a plant to come on the board, not that Oldiesmann did.  :P


I doubt these members that come and go are plants from ACP. They seem obsessed with bringing back classic Archie and we all know ACP don't care about that. Some of the 14 year olds liked New Riverdale but they weren't very convincing in why we should all read it.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: JonInIowaCity on June 30, 2016, 10:29:53 AM
Well, I welcome back anyone who left. :)
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on June 30, 2016, 11:08:48 AM
Quote from: daren on June 30, 2016, 04:29:39 AM
I hope my comment about plants didn't sound wrong, I meant that ACP might have hired a plant to come on the board, not that Oldiesmann did.  :P

Maybe not plants. Lurkers, however...

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Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: chancebond on June 30, 2016, 11:27:08 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 30, 2016, 02:40:35 AM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 29, 2016, 04:15:34 PM
There seems to be 2 types of posters on this forum. Those obsessed with classic Archie and that's the only comic they read and those that read lots of comics and Archie just happens to be one of them. I actually quite enjoy the "What comics are you reading thread?". I get a lot of recommendations from there.

2 other types:
Those who read ONLY Archie Comics (but not JUST classic Archie) = spazaru

Those who read LOTS of comics, but for comics featuring the Archie characters, only really like the classic ones (= me). Not my fault they cancelled NEW CRUSADERS, THE FOX, and MEGA MAN - I enjoyed those, but not Dark Circle titles, Sonic titles, or New Riverdale titles. If Archie Horror goes on long enough, I'm sure I'll probably tire of those (just hanging in there hoping for some kind of resolution to the storylines).

The active threads here generally break down into six main interests:

1 - New Riverdale titles
2 - Archie digest/classic
3 - Archie Horror
4 - Riverdale TV
5 - ACP company/publishing/editorial (including solicitations)
6 - non-comics discussion

The reason there isn't more "other comics" discussion is pretty simple, when you think about it.

1 - At any given time, there are something like 1000 comic book titles being published.
2 - Of those, even the most voracious of comic readers can read only a tiny percentage.
3 - Of the active posters here, there are only a bare handful reading a significant number of titles other than ACP (or at least, a bare handful who have anything to say about them).
4 - Given the small number of other titles (apart from ACP) being read by active posters in relation to the potential number of titles out there, the overlap between any two active posters' reading lists is marginal.
5 - The same titles that any two active posters may be reading may fall on an entirely different range of the spectrum for each reader. In that slim margin of overlap, the comic that most excites you and about which you have a lot to say, may be a title about which I have little or nothing to say.
6 - All of the above being the case, "other comics" discussion tends to peak in "Archie-related" comics discussion (Pixie Trix, SitComics, AstroComix).

Id like to add one to the bottom list:  7 - Not everyone has A Thousand Dollars to spend on Comics Per Week (between ACP and every other CPC.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on June 30, 2016, 11:35:57 AM
Quote from: The Downloader on June 30, 2016, 11:27:08 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 30, 2016, 02:40:35 AM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 29, 2016, 04:15:34 PM
There seems to be 2 types of posters on this forum. Those obsessed with classic Archie and that's the only comic they read and those that read lots of comics and Archie just happens to be one of them. I actually quite enjoy the "What comics are you reading thread?". I get a lot of recommendations from there.

2 other types:
Those who read ONLY Archie Comics (but not JUST classic Archie) = spazaru

Those who read LOTS of comics, but for comics featuring the Archie characters, only really like the classic ones (= me). Not my fault they cancelled NEW CRUSADERS, THE FOX, and MEGA MAN - I enjoyed those, but not Dark Circle titles, Sonic titles, or New Riverdale titles. If Archie Horror goes on long enough, I'm sure I'll probably tire of those (just hanging in there hoping for some kind of resolution to the storylines).

The active threads here generally break down into six main interests:

1 - New Riverdale titles
2 - Archie digest/classic
3 - Archie Horror
4 - Riverdale TV
5 - ACP company/publishing/editorial (including solicitations)
6 - non-comics discussion

The reason there isn't more "other comics" discussion is pretty simple, when you think about it.

1 - At any given time, there are something like 1000 comic book titles being published.
2 - Of those, even the most voracious of comic readers can read only a tiny percentage.
3 - Of the active posters here, there are only a bare handful reading a significant number of titles other than ACP (or at least, a bare handful who have anything to say about them).
4 - Given the small number of other titles (apart from ACP) being read by active posters in relation to the potential number of titles out there, the overlap between any two active posters' reading lists is marginal.
5 - The same titles that any two active posters may be reading may fall on an entirely different range of the spectrum for each reader. In that slim margin of overlap, the comic that most excites you and about which you have a lot to say, may be a title about which I have little or nothing to say.
6 - All of the above being the case, "other comics" discussion tends to peak in "Archie-related" comics discussion (Pixie Trix, SitComics, AstroComix).

Id like to add one to the bottom list:  7 - Not everyone has A Thousand Dollars to spend on Comics Per Week (between ACP and every other CPC.

OK, let's just call that 2a instead. Related to. Even if you had TIME to read 1000 comic books, you can't afford them, just a tiny percentage. Some tinier percentages than others, depending on your income and expenses.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: chancebond on June 30, 2016, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 30, 2016, 11:35:57 AM
Quote from: The Downloader on June 30, 2016, 11:27:08 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 30, 2016, 02:40:35 AM
Quote from: irishmoxie on April 29, 2016, 04:15:34 PM
There seems to be 2 types of posters on this forum. Those obsessed with classic Archie and that's the only comic they read and those that read lots of comics and Archie just happens to be one of them. I actually quite enjoy the "What comics are you reading thread?". I get a lot of recommendations from there.

2 other types:
Those who read ONLY Archie Comics (but not JUST classic Archie) = spazaru

Those who read LOTS of comics, but for comics featuring the Archie characters, only really like the classic ones (= me). Not my fault they cancelled NEW CRUSADERS, THE FOX, and MEGA MAN - I enjoyed those, but not Dark Circle titles, Sonic titles, or New Riverdale titles. If Archie Horror goes on long enough, I'm sure I'll probably tire of those (just hanging in there hoping for some kind of resolution to the storylines).

The active threads here generally break down into six main interests:

1 - New Riverdale titles
2 - Archie digest/classic
3 - Archie Horror
4 - Riverdale TV
5 - ACP company/publishing/editorial (including solicitations)
6 - non-comics discussion

The reason there isn't more "other comics" discussion is pretty simple, when you think about it.

1 - At any given time, there are something like 1000 comic book titles being published.
2 - Of those, even the most voracious of comic readers can read only a tiny percentage.
3 - Of the active posters here, there are only a bare handful reading a significant number of titles other than ACP (or at least, a bare handful who have anything to say about them).
4 - Given the small number of other titles (apart from ACP) being read by active posters in relation to the potential number of titles out there, the overlap between any two active posters' reading lists is marginal.
5 - The same titles that any two active posters may be reading may fall on an entirely different range of the spectrum for each reader. In that slim margin of overlap, the comic that most excites you and about which you have a lot to say, may be a title about which I have little or nothing to say.
6 - All of the above being the case, "other comics" discussion tends to peak in "Archie-related" comics discussion (Pixie Trix, SitComics, AstroComix).

Id like to add one to the bottom list:  7 - Not everyone has A Thousand Dollars to spend on Comics Per Week (between ACP and every other CPC.

OK, let's just call that 2a instead. Related to. Even if you had TIME to read 1000 comic books, you can't afford them, just a tiny percentage. Some tinier percentages than others, depending on your income and expenses.

I mean, I get every issue that comes out every week (don't ask me how), and even I don't read them all (I have 30 Hours of work per week, work out 4 hours a week, sorting, organizing, travel)  I get in maybe 5 hours of reading comics per week (if I'm lucky).
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Fernando Ruiz on July 01, 2016, 02:16:46 AM
Quote from: daren on June 30, 2016, 04:29:39 AM
...I meant that ACP might have hired a plant to come on the board...  :P


Archie Comics does monitor what is being said on various forums and Facebook pages and because I have been so vocal about my expulsion, they actively monitor my posts here, on Facebook, and on my own personal website, FERNANDORUIZEVERYBODY.COM (Which everyone here should visit regularly and bookmark if you haven't already!) I've blocked a few people but I know for a fact that they still keep tabs on me. I really don't care. I've been pretty open and honest about everything. They're EXTREMELY thin-skinned about negative criticism and their own reputation.



Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: daren on July 01, 2016, 06:13:50 AM
Yeah they keep deleting my facebook posts.  >:(


I didn't have anyone in mind when I made the plant suggestion, I just know it's something companies do to generate buzz on message boards/social media, but all this talk lately made me take a good look at the posts here and yes there is no way it's not the same person making at least some of these identities, they use the same writing style and general technique. I would swear it's a plant, maybe not hired just for this but possibly someone who already works for ACP and is doing double duty, it doesn't make sense that anyone would just do this for fun. Irishmoxie is right that they talk about missing classic Archie and all that but that's what they need to do to get us on their side before they subtly shift gears and start saying things like everyone should like what they want to and keep an open mind, etc.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Jabroniville on February 23, 2017, 04:28:32 AM
Quote from: nuageo on April 29, 2016, 01:55:14 AM
Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Many of these members are interesting and very active here.  :(

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChMB3vKU4AAjOjv.jpg:large)
Does anyone realize how ironic it is that the person who made a thread complaining about this fact is themself a "Posts a bit, then deletes their account" poster?
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: steveinthecity on February 23, 2017, 08:00:46 AM
Quote from: Jabroniville on February 23, 2017, 04:28:32 AM
Quote from: nuageo on April 29, 2016, 01:55:14 AM
Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Many of these members are interesting and very active here.  :(

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChMB3vKU4AAjOjv.jpg:large)
Does anyone realize how ironic it is that the person who made a thread complaining about this fact is themself a "Posts a bit, then deletes their account" poster?
I don't know how to interpret this.   Nuogeo posted quite a bit.  The posts weren't goofy or off handed.   I posted in the Shoutbox when he/her deleted their account and received no response.  Nuogeo spent quite a while here while the "New" board was up and running.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: BettyReggie on February 23, 2017, 09:29:27 AM
Maybe they don't read they read the comics anymore.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on February 23, 2017, 10:13:06 AM
Once upon a time, things used to be simple. Regardless of how different each member was in terms of their attitudes, outlooks, lifestyle and interests, they could all agree that they enjoyed reading Archie Comics.

Not so anymore. ACP is responsible for fractionating its traditional fanbase. You've got the people who like everything the company publishes, and you've got the people who don't like Archie Action titles, who don't like Dark Circle titles (still... none of those feature the traditional Archie characters).

Then you've got the people who don't particularly like LIFE WITH ARCHIE; the ones who don't like AFTERLIFE WITH ARCHIE and CHILLING ADVENTURES OF SABRINA; the people who don't like New Riverdale comics (and the people who may only like one of the New Riverdale comics); and the people who don't like RIVERDALE the TV series. And of course the people who do, and the people who only like a couple of the aforementioned. Also a few newer people coming in who only like the newer New Riverdale and/or Archie Horror titles. So really there's no common consensus anymore for a fanbase.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Vegan Jughead on February 23, 2017, 12:59:31 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on February 23, 2017, 10:13:06 AM
Once upon a time, things used to be simple. Regardless of how different each member was in terms of their attitudes, outlooks, lifestyle and interests, they could all agree that they enjoyed reading Archie Comics.

Not so anymore. ACP is responsible for fractionating its traditional fanbase. You've got the people who like everything the company publishes, and you've got the people who don't like Archie Action titles, who don't like Dark Circle titles (still... none of those feature the traditional Archie characters).

Then you've got the people who don't particularly like LIFE WITH ARCHIE; the ones who don't like AFTERLIFE WITH ARCHIE and CHILLING ADVENTURES OF SABRINA; the people who don't like New Riverdale comics (and the people who may only like one of the New Riverdale comics); and the people who don't like RIVERDALE the TV series. And of course the people who do, and the people who only like a couple of the aforementioned. Also a few newer people coming in who only like the newer New Riverdale and/or Archie Horror titles. So really there's no common consensus anymore for a fanbase.

You make some good points, DCR, but is there ever really a common consensus for a fan base of anything?  I mean, I'm a HUGE Beach Boys fan but I don't like Pet Sounds.  I go back and forth with other Beach Boys fans about this and have been for years. 

I think part of the fun is talking with other fans about why they like something I don't and vice versa. 
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on February 23, 2017, 01:28:32 PM
Quote from: Jabroniville on February 23, 2017, 04:28:32 AM
Quote from: nuageo on April 29, 2016, 01:55:14 AM
Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Many of these members are interesting and very active here.  :(

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChMB3vKU4AAjOjv.jpg:large)
Does anyone realize how ironic it is that the person who made a thread complaining about this fact is themself a "Posts a bit, then deletes their account" poster?


True.
I can't remember, is the op of this thread the same person who got mad at us because we wouldn't post 24 hours a day?She was logged in all day and expected us to do the same. She got pissed off and said she was never coming back again. Maybe it was another person, can't remember.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: kassandralove on February 23, 2017, 11:29:36 PM
I think forums are fairly old style and it's hard to go through it but I have this app called Tapatalk and it makes everything SO much easier and it's the only way I go on here it's fast and effective


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on February 23, 2017, 11:55:41 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on February 23, 2017, 01:28:32 PM
I can't remember, is the op of this thread the same person who got mad at us because we wouldn't post 24 hours a day?She was logged in all day and expected us to do the same. She got pissed off and said she was never coming back again. Maybe it was another person, can't remember.

I think you might be thinking of Midge. She seemed excited to discover that an Archie fan forum existed, and posted a lot for a little while, but then quickly became disillusioned when there wasn't enough daily activity to meet her level of enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: steveinthecity on February 24, 2017, 04:18:39 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on February 23, 2017, 11:29:36 PM
I think forums are fairly old style and it's hard to go through it but I have this app called Tapatalk and it makes everything SO much easier and it's the only way I go on here it's fast and effective


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
These "old" style forums do allow people to have actual discussions beyond just the "hit and run" comments that seem so popular other places.  There's advantages to this type of site beyond "look at me, 'like' me" so common elsewhere.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on February 24, 2017, 06:13:29 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on February 24, 2017, 04:18:39 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on February 23, 2017, 11:29:36 PM
I think forums are fairly old style and it's hard to go through it but I have this app called Tapatalk and it makes everything SO much easier and it's the only way I go on here it's fast and effective


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
These "old" style forums do allow people to have actual discussions beyond just the "hit and run" comments that seem so popular other places.  There's advantages to this type of site beyond "look at me, 'like' me" so common elsewhere.

Totally agree, Steve. I have zero interest in posting 140-character shout-outs, so I've never had a Facebook account, and probably never will.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: steveinthecity on February 24, 2017, 10:19:12 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on February 24, 2017, 06:13:29 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on February 24, 2017, 04:18:39 AM
Quote from: kassandralove on February 23, 2017, 11:29:36 PM
I think forums are fairly old style and it's hard to go through it but I have this app called Tapatalk and it makes everything SO much easier and it's the only way I go on here it's fast and effective


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
These "old" style forums do allow people to have actual discussions beyond just the "hit and run" comments that seem so popular other places.  There's advantages to this type of site beyond "look at me, 'like' me" so common elsewhere.

Totally agree, Steve. I have zero interest in posting 140-character shout-outs, so I've never had a Facebook account, and probably never will.
I see what you did there.  A 141 character post.  Quite clever and subversive some might argue.   ;)




:D
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on February 24, 2017, 11:39:44 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on February 23, 2017, 11:55:41 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on February 23, 2017, 01:28:32 PM
I can't remember, is the op of this thread the same person who got mad at us because we wouldn't post 24 hours a day?She was logged in all day and expected us to do the same. She got pissed off and said she was never coming back again. Maybe it was another person, can't remember.

I think you might be thinking of Midge. She seemed excited to discover that an Archie fan forum existed, and posted a lot for a little while, but then quickly became disillusioned when there wasn't enough daily activity to meet her level of enthusiasm.
Oh, yeah it was probably her. I don't remember her user name but I remember how upset she was. It was weird.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Shuester on February 27, 2017, 03:39:36 AM
I lurked around this site for about two months before the temporary shutdown happened. I'm really glad I became interested in the site then, because all of the information was enough to get me interested and keep scrolling for more.
If I had just discovered the site now, though, I don't know how long I would have stayed. Long conversations about characters and historical comics that are fascinating and have input from many users are much less frequent on the new site than the old one. I understand that it's no one's fault, and of course all of those conversations took years to develop. But if I hadn't found the site when it was full of lively discussions, I don't know that I would have eventually made an account.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Jabroniville on March 02, 2017, 02:27:48 AM
Quote from: Shuester on February 27, 2017, 03:39:36 AM
I lurked around this site for about two months before the temporary shutdown happened. I'm really glad I became interested in the site then, because all of the information was enough to get me interested and keep scrolling for more.
If I had just discovered the site now, though, I don't know how long I would have stayed. Long conversations about characters and historical comics that are fascinating and have input from many users are much less frequent on the new site than the old one. I understand that it's no one's fault, and of course all of those conversations took years to develop. But if I hadn't found the site when it was full of lively discussions, I don't know that I would have eventually made an account.
Yeah, it was really tragic to lose the site because nobody was backing anything up. It was a really amateur-hour thing.

I used to love coming here a lot. I'd actually look up stuff every day, find old posts, and go on my trademark long-winded rants. Unfortunately, a lot of the "energy" to do that has faded. Posters like Zach Ziggster don't seem to be around- he was good people.  Even Mark's insanely-long threads about his old mall or his constantly-dying pets at least held SOME interest, but those are gone. The idea of arguing on the internet loses its luster now that I'm in my mid-30s and don't feel like arguing with people who don't seem like they can read or write properly, either, and we seem to have a lot more of those types all of a sudden.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.

Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: irishmoxie on March 02, 2017, 03:12:32 PM
Quote from: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.


Oh to be back in 2006, when things were simple.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on March 03, 2017, 10:33:28 AM
My posting has actually gone down just since RIVERDALE aired.

Hate to say it, but it's beginning to feel like just another board for TV show discussions.  :(
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: JonInIowaCity on March 03, 2017, 10:44:39 AM
Let's talk about the comics and digests then. What comic book did you last enjoy from Archie Comics?
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: VintageJon on March 03, 2017, 01:14:46 PM
I recently read the latest Betty and Veronica 1&2 and enjoyed them;  My only note of criticism being that the feud between the two seemed to escalate pretty quickly.  Having said that, I have a teenage daughter and well, that is pretty much how those things actually go!  On the other hand it is a 3 issue story so I guess things need to move quickly. 


Do you have a favourite Archie story that shouldn't be memorable but for some reason just sticks with you?


I have one, for some reason I can remember every single panel.


Anyway here it goes.  Veronica comments that both Archie and Reggie have put on some pounds and she is unimpressed!  It is decided that the boy who loses the most weight gets to date her.  Reggie, in his malevolent genius has a wide array of fast food delivered to Archie's door which he of course consumes. 
The day of the competition comes up and Archie has gotten big!  He cleverly decides to throw on Fred's clothing (XXXL apparently) creating the illusion of being underweight.  He wins Veronica, flusters Reggie and gets some more free food.  Classic.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on March 03, 2017, 04:35:39 PM
Quote from: JonInIowaCity on March 03, 2017, 10:44:39 AM
Let's talk about the comics and digests then. What comic book did you last enjoy from Archie Comics?

B&V Friends Comics Annual #253. I subscribe to all the digests. I still really enjoy all the issues of B&V Friends and Betty and Veronica digests (my top two, respectively), and most issues of Jughead & Archie are still worth the money to me. Recently I haven't been enjoying the Archie and World of Archie digests as much, so I'm letting those subscriptions lapse and will only buy them FNO when there's a new story (or reprint) of special interest. Maybe it's just too much Archie for me - it's overkill. I'm kind of on the fence about Archie's Funhouse (it tends to vary from one issue to another, as does World of Archie), but I've still got a number of issues left in my subscription before having to decide whether to keep it or not.

I'm sort of partial to keeping on with Archie's Funhouse as I've got a nearly complete set of those (still missing one), and it's only six times a year anyway. I tend to enjoy the reprinted stories featuring Reggie, Dilton, Ethel, Nancy or Chuck more than just straight Archie stories, and most of those are in either Funhouse or WoA (it varies), but I feel shortchanged when they stick in 15 pages of Little Archie (this happens in Jughead & Archie with regularity too, but it's more than counterbalanced with enough good Jughead stories by Samm Schwartz, Fernando Ruiz, or Boldman & Lindsey in each issue).

I do wish they'd reprint more older stories (Silver/Bronze Age) and more obscure characters like Bingo Wilkin, the Madhouse Glads, etc., just for some variety. One of the reasons I like the two B&V digests so much is that they've reliably got either Sabrina or Josie reprints, and frequently Cheryl Blossom reprints as well. What about some reprints of Katy Keene stories from the 1980s? I don't think I've ever seen any in the digests so far.

I wish they could double the number of pages of new stories in the digests. Some more interesting stories could be done with the characters, but they'd require more than 5 pages, or they could even let some of the non-star players get a 5-page solo story every so often. I feel like there are all these great unused supporting characters out there just going to waste because there really isn't enough room in 5 page story that has to feature the main characters every issue. I'd love to see Veronica's cousins Harper or Marcy, or some of the New Kids get meatier parts in the stories -- but as it stands right now, there just isn't enough room or enough pages a year to squeeze them in on a regular basis. In a few years, none of these characters will even be remembered by digest readers, if they aren't forgotten already. What am I saying? With only 240 pages a year of new material being generated by Dan Parent right now, they won't have any stories to fill the digests of five years in the future. Or maybe they'll be down to only a couple of bimonthly digest titles by then.

JUGHEAD is the only other comic that they're putting out right now that I'm getting anything out of, but I don't expect that situation will last much longer, since they've already announced that they're replacing Ryan North on the writing. Derek Charm comes the closest of all the artists on New Riverdale comics to actually being a cartoonist. The opening pages of the issue where the gang were all playing the racing videogame almost fooled me that Charm was slowly adjusting his style more towards the cartoony side, but then he had to spoil it by going back to more of a realistic style - it was just for the characters as they appeared inside the game. I liked Ian Flynn's writing on Mega Man and I liked him on New Crusaders, but can he write a funny JUGHEAD story? I suspect he'll be doing most of the work because his page rate is cheaper than Mark Waid's -- I think Waid is just there to ride herd on the continuity and his name is being used to attract the readers who already like his writing on ARCHIE.


Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 05:27:38 AM
Quote from: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.
I'm fairly certain some fault can be found.  We lost a great amount of info, plus contributing members like Frank, Forsythe, Captain Hero, Chuck, and Greg who are still involved in the hobby.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: irishmoxie on March 04, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 05:27:38 AM
Quote from: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.
I'm fairly certain some fault can be found.  We lost a great amount of info, plus contributing members like Frank, Forsythe, Captain Hero, Chuck, and Greg who are still involved in the hobby.


Yeah where did all these Archie historians go? Are they still interested in Archie? Are they posting somewhere else? Or is there just nothing to say now that ACP puts out so little Classic Archie.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: irishmoxie on March 04, 2017, 09:09:18 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 03, 2017, 04:35:39 PM

I do wish they'd reprint more older stories (Silver/Bronze Age) and more obscure characters like Bingo Wilkin, the Madhouse Glads, etc., just for some variety. One of the reasons I like the two B&V digests so much is that they've reliably got either Sabrina or Josie reprints, and frequently Cheryl Blossom reprints as well. What about some reprints of Katy Keene stories from the 1980s? I don't think I've ever seen any in the digests so far.



Yay Katy Keene. I read some of her 80s stories a couple months ago and liked them. I think it was in the Holiday Fun digests. There are a disproportionate amount of holiday stories featuring Katy. I wish they'd republish more.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on March 04, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 05:27:38 AM
Quote from: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.
I'm fairly certain some fault can be found.  We lost a great amount of info, plus contributing members like Frank, Forsythe, Captain Hero, Chuck, and Greg who are still involved in the hobby.


Yeah where did all these Archie historians go? Are they still interested in Archie? Are they posting somewhere else? Or is there just nothing to say now that ACP puts out so little Classic Archie.
Forsythe still contributes to the reprints and is credited. Greg is a head guy at GCD, Chuck is doing his thing(plus a blog), Captain Hero still reads, and Frank is still in comics, but I haven't communicated with him in nearly a year.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on March 04, 2017, 09:19:58 PM
What was the username of the guy that had this incredibly huge Archie collection? I remember there was a great thread where he would post pics of all the Archie things he had-a room full of goodies. He even mentioned knowing and hanging out with Bob Bolling, I think, and maybe even Dexter Taylor, too. And he had the pics to prove it. I miss those kind of threads  :'(
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on March 05, 2017, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on March 04, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 05:27:38 AM
Quote from: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.
I'm fairly certain some fault can be found.  We lost a great amount of info, plus contributing members like Frank, Forsythe, Captain Hero, Chuck, and Greg who are still involved in the hobby.

Yeah where did all these Archie historians go? Are they still interested in Archie? Are they posting somewhere else? Or is there just nothing to say now that ACP puts out so little Classic Archie.
Forsythe still contributes to the reprints and is credited. Greg is a head guy at GCD, Chuck is doing his thing(plus a blog), Captain Hero still reads, and Frank is still in comics, but I haven't communicated with him in nearly a year.

Where would I find Forsythe's name credited, Steve? Surely not in the digests (or their bigger brothers, the Giant Comics and 1000 Page Comics digest re-reprints), but is it mentioned somewhere in the small type on the indicia page of TP and HC collections? What actual name (I assume it's not actually Forsythe...) would I look for?

What actual service is he contributing to ACP? (Credits, story selection suggestions, guidance for where to find original stories, etc.) Does he get paid for this, or is he just volunteering his help?
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: steveinthecity on March 06, 2017, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 05, 2017, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on March 04, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 05:27:38 AM
Quote from: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.
I'm fairly certain some fault can be found.  We lost a great amount of info, plus contributing members like Frank, Forsythe, Captain Hero, Chuck, and Greg who are still involved in the hobby.

Yeah where did all these Archie historians go? Are they still interested in Archie? Are they posting somewhere else? Or is there just nothing to say now that ACP puts out so little Classic Archie.
Forsythe still contributes to the reprints and is credited. Greg is a head guy at GCD, Chuck is doing his thing(plus a blog), Captain Hero still reads, and Frank is still in comics, but I haven't communicated with him in nearly a year.

Where would I find Forsythe's name credited, Steve? Surely not in the digests (or their bigger brothers, the Giant Comics and 1000 Page Comics digest re-reprints), but is it mentioned somewhere in the small type on the indicia page of TP and HC collections? What actual name (I assume it's not actually Forsythe...) would I look for?

What actual service is he contributing to ACP? (Credits, story selection suggestions, guidance for where to find original stories, etc.) Does he get paid for this, or is he just volunteering his help?
The most recent I've seen is the "75 Years 75 Stories".  He contributes old stories that ACP doesn't have copies of and I don't know if he receives compensation.  I can PM you with his name if you'd like. 
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: steveinthecity on March 06, 2017, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on March 04, 2017, 09:19:58 PM
What was the username of the guy that had this incredibly huge Archie collection? I remember there was a great thread where he would post pics of all the Archie things he had-a room full of goodies. He even mentioned knowing and hanging out with Bob Bolling, I think, and maybe even Dexter Taylor, too. And he had the pics to prove it. I miss those kind of threads  :'(
Yeah, that was Forsythe.  He's collected the whole of Archie comics TWICE.  Selling off his books in the early 90's and then getting them all again...  Pretty awesome.  He used to travel and do cons supporting Graham Crackers Comics, so he had a lot of connections.
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on March 06, 2017, 08:01:46 PM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 06, 2017, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 05, 2017, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on March 04, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 05:27:38 AM
Quote from: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.
I'm fairly certain some fault can be found.  We lost a great amount of info, plus contributing members like Frank, Forsythe, Captain Hero, Chuck, and Greg who are still involved in the hobby.

Yeah where did all these Archie historians go? Are they still interested in Archie? Are they posting somewhere else? Or is there just nothing to say now that ACP puts out so little Classic Archie.
Forsythe still contributes to the reprints and is credited. Greg is a head guy at GCD, Chuck is doing his thing(plus a blog), Captain Hero still reads, and Frank is still in comics, but I haven't communicated with him in nearly a year.

Where would I find Forsythe's name credited, Steve? Surely not in the digests (or their bigger brothers, the Giant Comics and 1000 Page Comics digest re-reprints), but is it mentioned somewhere in the small type on the indicia page of TP and HC collections? What actual name (I assume it's not actually Forsythe...) would I look for?

What actual service is he contributing to ACP? (Credits, story selection suggestions, guidance for where to find original stories, etc.) Does he get paid for this, or is he just volunteering his help?
The most recent I've seen is the "75 Years 75 Stories".  He contributes old stories that ACP doesn't have copies of and I don't know if he receives compensation.  I can PM you with his name if you'd like.
I don't understand why ACP doesn't have old copies stored somewhere. I also don't get why they don't keep track of which artist worked on a certain story (I have seen a few times "artist unknown" on those 1000 page comics). Really? they don't have all of that info written down somewhere?
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: steveinthecity on March 06, 2017, 11:23:56 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on March 06, 2017, 08:01:46 PM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 06, 2017, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 05, 2017, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on March 04, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 05:27:38 AM
Quote from: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.
I'm fairly certain some fault can be found.  We lost a great amount of info, plus contributing members like Frank, Forsythe, Captain Hero, Chuck, and Greg who are still involved in the hobby.

Yeah where did all these Archie historians go? Are they still interested in Archie? Are they posting somewhere else? Or is there just nothing to say now that ACP puts out so little Classic Archie.
Forsythe still contributes to the reprints and is credited. Greg is a head guy at GCD, Chuck is doing his thing(plus a blog), Captain Hero still reads, and Frank is still in comics, but I haven't communicated with him in nearly a year.

Where would I find Forsythe's name credited, Steve? Surely not in the digests (or their bigger brothers, the Giant Comics and 1000 Page Comics digest re-reprints), but is it mentioned somewhere in the small type on the indicia page of TP and HC collections? What actual name (I assume it's not actually Forsythe...) would I look for?

What actual service is he contributing to ACP? (Credits, story selection suggestions, guidance for where to find original stories, etc.) Does he get paid for this, or is he just volunteering his help?
The most recent I've seen is the "75 Years 75 Stories".  He contributes old stories that ACP doesn't have copies of and I don't know if he receives compensation.  I can PM you with his name if you'd like.
I don't understand why ACP doesn't have old copies stored somewhere. I also don't get why they don't keep track of which artist worked on a certain story (I have seen a few times "artist unknown" on those 1000 page comics). Really? they don't have all of that info written down somewhere?
I think archives weren't really a priority until the 70's when publishers understood what they were holding was potentially a financial boon to them.  Even Marvel was missing pages from early Iron Man in Tales Of Suspense for example. They had to use scanned pages from a comic for their reprints.   Same with daily strips and so forth.  It's odd to me, but the publishers didn't seem to value this stuff after the initial printing.  They were disposable comics aimed at kids and few cared.  Read it and Chuck it was the idea.  Thank goodness there were folks who treasured these books and preserved them for future generations.   
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on March 08, 2017, 09:46:09 AM
As far as the credits go, there was no point in keeping track because it was presumed no kid cared about anything like that, and the only thing most artists cared about was whether they got paid on time. Many companies had, at one time, a firm policy of never crediting any of the writers, artists, letterers or colorists. The publishers just saw it as a way of letting their competitors identify the outstanding talent by name so that they could then poach them by offering them more money. Over time, competition for artists and writers gradually raised the costs of producing the comics for publishers, which led to higher cover prices (although that was only one of several factors).
Title: Re: Why almost everything new members leave the forum after 1-2 weeks?
Post by: Fernando Ruiz on March 08, 2017, 07:14:52 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on March 06, 2017, 08:01:46 PM

I don't understand why ACP doesn't have old copies stored somewhere. I also don't get why they don't keep track of which artist worked on a certain story (I have seen a few times "artist unknown" on those 1000 page comics). Really? they don't have all of that info written down somewhere?


They really don't.


At best, they have some of their runs bound in these beautiful hardcover volumes but they really don't keep copies of every issue they print. Maybe they have more recent books but not the early stuff.


As for credits, early on artists were allowed to sign their work. In those days, an artist would be given a story and he would turn it around complete with the inking and the lettering done. The artist might hire anonymous assistants to do some of the lettering and inking for him. Later on as the production of comics evolved into the more familiar "assembly line" process we have today (and even today its sort of changing again thanks to the advent of computers and digital production!) the credits fell away from many comic book. Publishers, as DeCarlo Rules said, assumed their audience was comprised completely of children who simply did not care who was drawing Archie, Mickey Mouse, etc. 


A secondary cause for the elimination... and outright SUPPRESSION... of credits is believed to be that the publishers deliberately wanted to keep their artists anonymous and interchangeable so as to prevent the rise of any "superstar artists" who might ask for more money!


With the amount of stories Archie has published over the years and the number of pencillers and inkers they've had, they have no definitive catalogue of who definitely did what. In recent years, Archie has decided to add credits to their reprinted stories in the digests. A cynical reason for this was to camouflage the new stories, which were always credited, from the reprinted ones and hopefully no one would be able to tell how few new stories were actually being added to new digests. Up until my "departure," the credits for these reprints were added by the production staff and when a credit couldn't be found, the story would be shown to editor, Victor Gorelick, who would identify the artists from memory or if he absolutely couldn't remember, by analyzing the style. Obviously, it's not a perfect system. I know in recent years, I've been credited for writing a few stories that I only drew.