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irishmoxie

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 03, 2017, 04:35:39 PM

I do wish they'd reprint more older stories (Silver/Bronze Age) and more obscure characters like Bingo Wilkin, the Madhouse Glads, etc., just for some variety. One of the reasons I like the two B&V digests so much is that they've reliably got either Sabrina or Josie reprints, and frequently Cheryl Blossom reprints as well. What about some reprints of Katy Keene stories from the 1980s? I don't think I've ever seen any in the digests so far.



Yay Katy Keene. I read some of her 80s stories a couple months ago and liked them. I think it was in the Holiday Fun digests. There are a disproportionate amount of holiday stories featuring Katy. I wish they'd republish more.

steveinthecity

Quote from: irishmoxie on March 04, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 05:27:38 AM
Quote from: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.
I'm fairly certain some fault can be found.  We lost a great amount of info, plus contributing members like Frank, Forsythe, Captain Hero, Chuck, and Greg who are still involved in the hobby.


Yeah where did all these Archie historians go? Are they still interested in Archie? Are they posting somewhere else? Or is there just nothing to say now that ACP puts out so little Classic Archie.
Forsythe still contributes to the reprints and is credited. Greg is a head guy at GCD, Chuck is doing his thing(plus a blog), Captain Hero still reads, and Frank is still in comics, but I haven't communicated with him in nearly a year.
Comics!

60sBettyandReggie

What was the username of the guy that had this incredibly huge Archie collection? I remember there was a great thread where he would post pics of all the Archie things he had-a room full of goodies. He even mentioned knowing and hanging out with Bob Bolling, I think, and maybe even Dexter Taylor, too. And he had the pics to prove it. I miss those kind of threads  :'(

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on March 04, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 05:27:38 AM
Quote from: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.
I'm fairly certain some fault can be found.  We lost a great amount of info, plus contributing members like Frank, Forsythe, Captain Hero, Chuck, and Greg who are still involved in the hobby.

Yeah where did all these Archie historians go? Are they still interested in Archie? Are they posting somewhere else? Or is there just nothing to say now that ACP puts out so little Classic Archie.
Forsythe still contributes to the reprints and is credited. Greg is a head guy at GCD, Chuck is doing his thing(plus a blog), Captain Hero still reads, and Frank is still in comics, but I haven't communicated with him in nearly a year.

Where would I find Forsythe's name credited, Steve? Surely not in the digests (or their bigger brothers, the Giant Comics and 1000 Page Comics digest re-reprints), but is it mentioned somewhere in the small type on the indicia page of TP and HC collections? What actual name (I assume it's not actually Forsythe...) would I look for?

What actual service is he contributing to ACP? (Credits, story selection suggestions, guidance for where to find original stories, etc.) Does he get paid for this, or is he just volunteering his help?

steveinthecity

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 05, 2017, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on March 04, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 05:27:38 AM
Quote from: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.
I'm fairly certain some fault can be found.  We lost a great amount of info, plus contributing members like Frank, Forsythe, Captain Hero, Chuck, and Greg who are still involved in the hobby.

Yeah where did all these Archie historians go? Are they still interested in Archie? Are they posting somewhere else? Or is there just nothing to say now that ACP puts out so little Classic Archie.
Forsythe still contributes to the reprints and is credited. Greg is a head guy at GCD, Chuck is doing his thing(plus a blog), Captain Hero still reads, and Frank is still in comics, but I haven't communicated with him in nearly a year.

Where would I find Forsythe's name credited, Steve? Surely not in the digests (or their bigger brothers, the Giant Comics and 1000 Page Comics digest re-reprints), but is it mentioned somewhere in the small type on the indicia page of TP and HC collections? What actual name (I assume it's not actually Forsythe...) would I look for?

What actual service is he contributing to ACP? (Credits, story selection suggestions, guidance for where to find original stories, etc.) Does he get paid for this, or is he just volunteering his help?
The most recent I've seen is the "75 Years 75 Stories".  He contributes old stories that ACP doesn't have copies of and I don't know if he receives compensation.  I can PM you with his name if you'd like. 
Comics!

steveinthecity

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on March 04, 2017, 09:19:58 PM
What was the username of the guy that had this incredibly huge Archie collection? I remember there was a great thread where he would post pics of all the Archie things he had-a room full of goodies. He even mentioned knowing and hanging out with Bob Bolling, I think, and maybe even Dexter Taylor, too. And he had the pics to prove it. I miss those kind of threads  :'(
Yeah, that was Forsythe.  He's collected the whole of Archie comics TWICE.  Selling off his books in the early 90's and then getting them all again...  Pretty awesome.  He used to travel and do cons supporting Graham Crackers Comics, so he had a lot of connections.
Comics!

60sBettyandReggie

Quote from: steveinthecity on March 06, 2017, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 05, 2017, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on March 04, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 05:27:38 AM
Quote from: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.
I'm fairly certain some fault can be found.  We lost a great amount of info, plus contributing members like Frank, Forsythe, Captain Hero, Chuck, and Greg who are still involved in the hobby.

Yeah where did all these Archie historians go? Are they still interested in Archie? Are they posting somewhere else? Or is there just nothing to say now that ACP puts out so little Classic Archie.
Forsythe still contributes to the reprints and is credited. Greg is a head guy at GCD, Chuck is doing his thing(plus a blog), Captain Hero still reads, and Frank is still in comics, but I haven't communicated with him in nearly a year.

Where would I find Forsythe's name credited, Steve? Surely not in the digests (or their bigger brothers, the Giant Comics and 1000 Page Comics digest re-reprints), but is it mentioned somewhere in the small type on the indicia page of TP and HC collections? What actual name (I assume it's not actually Forsythe...) would I look for?

What actual service is he contributing to ACP? (Credits, story selection suggestions, guidance for where to find original stories, etc.) Does he get paid for this, or is he just volunteering his help?
The most recent I've seen is the "75 Years 75 Stories".  He contributes old stories that ACP doesn't have copies of and I don't know if he receives compensation.  I can PM you with his name if you'd like.
I don't understand why ACP doesn't have old copies stored somewhere. I also don't get why they don't keep track of which artist worked on a certain story (I have seen a few times "artist unknown" on those 1000 page comics). Really? they don't have all of that info written down somewhere?

steveinthecity

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on March 06, 2017, 08:01:46 PM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 06, 2017, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 05, 2017, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: irishmoxie on March 04, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: steveinthecity on March 04, 2017, 05:27:38 AM
Quote from: carrotz on March 02, 2017, 05:57:24 AM

It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.
I'm fairly certain some fault can be found.  We lost a great amount of info, plus contributing members like Frank, Forsythe, Captain Hero, Chuck, and Greg who are still involved in the hobby.

Yeah where did all these Archie historians go? Are they still interested in Archie? Are they posting somewhere else? Or is there just nothing to say now that ACP puts out so little Classic Archie.
Forsythe still contributes to the reprints and is credited. Greg is a head guy at GCD, Chuck is doing his thing(plus a blog), Captain Hero still reads, and Frank is still in comics, but I haven't communicated with him in nearly a year.

Where would I find Forsythe's name credited, Steve? Surely not in the digests (or their bigger brothers, the Giant Comics and 1000 Page Comics digest re-reprints), but is it mentioned somewhere in the small type on the indicia page of TP and HC collections? What actual name (I assume it's not actually Forsythe...) would I look for?

What actual service is he contributing to ACP? (Credits, story selection suggestions, guidance for where to find original stories, etc.) Does he get paid for this, or is he just volunteering his help?
The most recent I've seen is the "75 Years 75 Stories".  He contributes old stories that ACP doesn't have copies of and I don't know if he receives compensation.  I can PM you with his name if you'd like.
I don't understand why ACP doesn't have old copies stored somewhere. I also don't get why they don't keep track of which artist worked on a certain story (I have seen a few times "artist unknown" on those 1000 page comics). Really? they don't have all of that info written down somewhere?
I think archives weren't really a priority until the 70's when publishers understood what they were holding was potentially a financial boon to them.  Even Marvel was missing pages from early Iron Man in Tales Of Suspense for example. They had to use scanned pages from a comic for their reprints.   Same with daily strips and so forth.  It's odd to me, but the publishers didn't seem to value this stuff after the initial printing.  They were disposable comics aimed at kids and few cared.  Read it and Chuck it was the idea.  Thank goodness there were folks who treasured these books and preserved them for future generations.   
Comics!

DeCarlo Rules

As far as the credits go, there was no point in keeping track because it was presumed no kid cared about anything like that, and the only thing most artists cared about was whether they got paid on time. Many companies had, at one time, a firm policy of never crediting any of the writers, artists, letterers or colorists. The publishers just saw it as a way of letting their competitors identify the outstanding talent by name so that they could then poach them by offering them more money. Over time, competition for artists and writers gradually raised the costs of producing the comics for publishers, which led to higher cover prices (although that was only one of several factors).

Fernando Ruiz

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on March 06, 2017, 08:01:46 PM

I don't understand why ACP doesn't have old copies stored somewhere. I also don't get why they don't keep track of which artist worked on a certain story (I have seen a few times "artist unknown" on those 1000 page comics). Really? they don't have all of that info written down somewhere?


They really don't.


At best, they have some of their runs bound in these beautiful hardcover volumes but they really don't keep copies of every issue they print. Maybe they have more recent books but not the early stuff.


As for credits, early on artists were allowed to sign their work. In those days, an artist would be given a story and he would turn it around complete with the inking and the lettering done. The artist might hire anonymous assistants to do some of the lettering and inking for him. Later on as the production of comics evolved into the more familiar "assembly line" process we have today (and even today its sort of changing again thanks to the advent of computers and digital production!) the credits fell away from many comic book. Publishers, as DeCarlo Rules said, assumed their audience was comprised completely of children who simply did not care who was drawing Archie, Mickey Mouse, etc. 


A secondary cause for the elimination... and outright SUPPRESSION... of credits is believed to be that the publishers deliberately wanted to keep their artists anonymous and interchangeable so as to prevent the rise of any "superstar artists" who might ask for more money!


With the amount of stories Archie has published over the years and the number of pencillers and inkers they've had, they have no definitive catalogue of who definitely did what. In recent years, Archie has decided to add credits to their reprinted stories in the digests. A cynical reason for this was to camouflage the new stories, which were always credited, from the reprinted ones and hopefully no one would be able to tell how few new stories were actually being added to new digests. Up until my "departure," the credits for these reprints were added by the production staff and when a credit couldn't be found, the story would be shown to editor, Victor Gorelick, who would identify the artists from memory or if he absolutely couldn't remember, by analyzing the style. Obviously, it's not a perfect system. I know in recent years, I've been credited for writing a few stories that I only drew.




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