I know that the reboot archie universe series which started from 2015 is faithful to its original predecessor with its comedy but with a bit of drama which i am okay with that since the original classic predecessor also has drama.However with the success of Riverdale a teen drama which for me is not faithful to the original archie comics ,Archie comics decided to do the one trope that is used in most comic books and that is death, They used 'death' in alternate archie universe like with Life with archie the married life which involves archie's heroic sacrifice and Afterlife with archie where it takes place in the alternate archie universe where most characters turn into zombies while the survivors try to struggle for their lives and battle other monsters and stuff.This death part however is now used in main archie canon and that is used in the storyarc OVER THE EDGE ,Where it involves archie and reggie going for a race and it involves one of them to die (spoiler alert i think archie survives but reggie didn't)I mean this is ridiculous they are going to use a dramatic death element in archie comics i mean this is kinda stupid i mean I understand that most comic books are not for kids but using death on one of the major archie characters in main canon this is stupid and cliche .I wish archie comics will not do that which brings to my next part ,theories.
- Theory 1-Death of a minor character during the race - Archie and reggie will race and then crash but in issue 21 they will survive with some injuries however some minor character which is not important to the universe might have been caught in the crossline that he or she was fatally injured and succumbed to his or her injuries leading to his or death which shocks both Archie and Reggie as they realise that their dangerous race must have unknowingly killed a person which will haunt them for the rest of their lives,Issue 23 will involve the minor character's funeral as Archie and reggie who also attended the funeral tries to apologise to the deceased member's family then after the funeral ,the storyarc will end with Archie and Reggie agree never to do the dangerous stunt again otherwise this will cause harm to them or others around, this storyarc might give character development to the characters.
- Theory 2 -It was all just a dream for Archie-I think that the storyarc will just be a dream as it involves archie killed off in the race then has his spirit see his friends mourn him because he died and see his funeral in issue 23 before he is dragged to heaven until he wakes up and realise that it was all just a dream but it might be considered a warning and then the storyarc ends with archie telling reggie that he decided not to race with him after all so that he doesn't want to die just like in his dream.
- Theory 3-Killed off but with a second chance ending- I think it will be similar to theory 2 but it will be death for real as archie will end up as a spirit in issue 22 and meets a guardian angel who gives him a tour of his post death with many of his friends mourning him and then ends with a funeral and issue 23 has him going to heaven but then god gives archie a second chance and then returns back to the starting point from issue 22 where reggie and archie challenging each other to a dangerous duel but then he changes his mind as he doesn't want to race with him otherwise he will be dead for real.The arc will end with archie thanking his guardian angel for giving him a second chance.
- Theory 4-one major character killed off for real- And here is the last theory which is considered the ridiculous thing happened to most comic books, the 'death' cliche as this arc will have reggie or a major character killed off leading to a change in status quo to the archie universe which will have a dramatic aftermath in the next storyarc.
And that's all the theories i explained tell me what you think and if you are not impressed with one of the theories maybe you can come up with your own theory and explain it by yourself.
Minor character, have no idea which one.....
I have two theories one is similar to you're first one but instead Archie and Reggie agreeing never to do something like this again. It will probably only be Archie feel any kind of responsibility while Reggie will just pin the whole on Archie. They will hate even more deeply than already do.
or they will have it be Reggie. Everyone in Riverdale will be either like so sad he died young but he was jerk. Archie will wangst about being a killer for few issues until his friends snap him out of it. Then mention it until some else get in danger again.
Quote from: Gotapenname on March 24, 2017, 05:07:49 PM
I have two theories one is similar to you're first one but instead Archie and Reggie agreeing never to do something like this again. It will probably only be Archie feel any kind of responsibility while Reggie will just pin the whole on Archie. They will hate even more deeply than already do.
or they will have it be Reggie. Everyone in Riverdale will be either like so sad he died young but he was jerk. Archie will wangst about being a killer for few issues until his friends snap him out of it. Then mention it until some else get in danger again.
You know i kinda like your first theory because this type might increase Archie and Reggie's rivalry to a new level and will be more aggressive and dramatic than its original counterpart when it was lighter
As for you second theory i think that will happen but it will be considered cliche and a stupid move killing off a major character which will be canon and it will lead to a new storyarc where he will be depressed.
What kind of bothers me is that if they do go the route of someone being killed in a street race - Reggie and/or Archie would realistically wind up in court and go to jail for manslaughter. They can't just go "oh I am so sorry this will affect me forever ;__; " and that'll be the end of that.
I know, I know, comic book logic and Archie Comics waving off issues like this, but, it would bother me.
Also someone going to court/jail would bring the whole mood of this series down in my opinion. I would stop reading it. If I wanted drama, I'd watch/read Riverdale :p
Hopefully it is a dream or a fake-out death.
Quote from: CAPalace on March 25, 2017, 08:08:55 AM
What kind of bothers me is that if they do go the route of someone being killed in a street race - Reggie and/or Archie would realistically wind up in court and go to jail for manslaughter. They can't just go "oh I am so sorry this will affect me forever ;__; " and that'll be the end of that.
I know, I know, comic book logic and Archie Comics waving off issues like this, but, it would bother me.
You know after reading what you said ,I agree with you having someone killed off during the race and have someone wind up in court and in jail will be stupid especially the part where the series will change tone it's kinda stupid.
Quote from: CAPalace on March 25, 2017, 08:08:55 AMAlso someone going to court/jail would bring the whole mood of this series down in my opinion. I would stop reading it. If I wanted drama, I'd watch/read Riverdale :p
Yeah i agree with that as well.
Quote from: CAPalace on March 25, 2017, 08:08:55 AM Hopefully it is a dream or a fake-out death.
Yeah ,I hope so too which will probably won't happen in real life.(our real life that is)
I don't really care who they kill. It matters that little to me. Go ahead and nuke the entire town for all I care. After Afterlife With Archie, what is there left to shock me, really?
Death has become fairly meaningless in comic books, anyway. Who really gets all bent out of shape when Captain America, or Wolverine, or Superman dies these days? It's been "done to death" (how apropos). It's all pretty ho-hum, and nobody feels any gravitas about how meaningful it is. All it really means is that you won't be seeing exactly that version of a character for a while (which is about the same as the cancellation of some character's series). There are uncounted ways to explain it all away as having never really happened, later resurrect the character somehow, or simply reboot him again and start over. Big deal.
As an interesting side point, Archie Comics was the very first comic book company to have an ongoing character die, way, way back when that was something unheard of, and actually meant something. That would have been The Comet, in PEP COMICS, which led to his brother swearing revenge on the criminals who killed him and becoming The Hangman.
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Quote from: Gotapenname on March 24, 2017, 05:07:49 PM
I have two theories one is similar to you're first one but instead Archie and Reggie agreeing never to do something like this again. It will probably only be Archie feel any kind of responsibility while Reggie will just pin the whole on Archie. They will hate even more deeply than already do.
or they will have it be Reggie. Everyone in Riverdale will be either like so sad he died young but he was jerk. Archie will wangst about being a killer for few issues until his friends snap him out of it. Then mention it until some else get in danger again.
You know i kinda like your first theory because this type might increase Archie and Reggie's rivalry to a new level and will be more aggressive and dramatic than its original counterpart when it was lighter
As for you second theory i think that will happen but it will be considered cliche and a stupid move killing off a major character which will be canon and it will lead to a new storyarc where he will be depressed.
You like my first theory . That's good cause that makes one of us. I love and miss the messed semi friendship of Archie and Reggie. The fact that this story line is probably going to be the nail in coffin for that ever happening in the re-boot makes me sad.
As for my second theory as Reggie fan. I dislike this one too of course. I tend make up theories I don't like due to me being the glass if half full but there probably going to be drought tomorrow and some is going to steal this glass from me kind of gal.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 25, 2017, 02:40:40 PM
I don't really care who they kill. It matters that little to me. Go ahead and nuke the entire town for all I care. After Afterlife With Archie, what is there left to shock me, really?
Death has become fairly meaningless in comic books, anyway. Who really gets all bent out of shape when Captain America, or Wolverine, or Superman dies these days? It's been "done to death" (how apropos). It's all pretty ho-hum, and nobody feels any gravitas about how meaningful it is. All it really means is that you won't be seeing exactly that version of a character for a while (which is about the same as the cancellation of some character's series). There are uncounted ways to explain it all away as having never really happened, later resurrect the character somehow, or simply reboot him again and start over. Big deal.
^^^ This. ^^^
There are other ways to get readers/attention. Comic book "deaths" are just looked at as cheap now. Like, even if the 'Archie' comic has some sort of amazing storyline that comes from whatever will happen in these issues, right now I'm just looking at it as a lazy way for them to get some headlines and the non-comic book readers to buy the collectible variant covers to try to sell them off because of past stunts by not only Archie Comics but other comic book publishers as well.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 25, 2017, 02:40:40 PM
Death has become fairly meaningless in comic books, anyway. Who really gets all bent out of shape when Captain America, or Wolverine, or Superman dies these days? It's been "done to death" (how apropos). It's all pretty ho-hum, and nobody feels any gravitas about how meaningful it is. All it really means is that you won't be seeing exactly that version of a character for a while (which is about the same as the cancellation of some character's series). There are uncounted ways to explain it all away as having never really happened, later resurrect the character somehow, or simply reboot him again and start over. Big deal.
You know i agree with you , death is pointless in comics because when you kill off a long running character they are revived sometime later and then killed off,revived again and so and so and so on ,Death is meaningless now in comics and is now a cliche ,the only thing that will shock the fans is that they should give a grand finale to the old universe like dc and marvel give a proper final ending and have the readers move on to the new dc and marvel universe with new canon stories , new heroes and new villains with new origins and i have the idea for that unfortunately there are many problems that prevent it from happening and i know two problems-First The readers are attached to the those long running characters and they don't want want to let go and move on and second companies use them as 'mascots'Quote from: CAPalace on March 25, 2017, 06:14:20 PMThere are other ways to get readers/attention. Comic book "deaths" are just looked at as cheap now. Like, even if the 'Archie' comic has some sort of amazing storyline that comes from whatever will happen in these issues, right now I'm just looking at it as a lazy way for them to get some headlines and the non-comic book readers to buy the collectible variant covers to try to sell them off because of past stunts by not only Archie Comics but other comic book publishers as well.
Yeah,I agree with you the the 'death' gimmick is pointless since comic book companies don't want to really kill off long running characters and that gimmick is done to 'death' (no pun intended) ,I think it's better that those comic book companies should remove the death gimmick to those long running characters except maybe the minor and forgotten ones and maybe give a final story to the old universe like dc and marvel with a proper closure and have the readers move on to the new dc and marvel universe with new canon stories that might give shock to the readers.Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 25, 2017, 02:40:40 PM As an interesting side point, Archie Comics was the very first comic book company to have an ongoing character die, way, way back when that was something unheard of, and actually meant something. That would have been The Comet, in PEP COMICS, which led to his brother swearing revenge on the criminals who killed him and becoming The Hangman.
That might be true, too bad it's forgotten to most people.Quote from: Gotapenname on March 25, 2017, 04:08:38 PMYou like my first theory . That's good cause that makes one of us. I love and miss the messed semi friendship of Archie and Reggie. The fact that this storyline is probably going to be the nail in coffin for that ever happening in the re-boot makes me sad.
yeah,I might agree with you cause this might lead to a 'jump in the shark' to the reboot series.Quote from: Gotapenname on March 25, 2017, 04:08:38 PM As for my second theory as Reggie fan. I dislike this one too of course. I tend make up theories I don't like due to me being the glass if half full but there probably going to be drought tomorrow and some is going to steal this glass from me kind of gal.
Yeah,maybeQuote from: CAPalace on March 25, 2017, 06:14:20 PM
There are other ways to get readers/attention. Comic book "deaths" are just looked at as cheap now. Like, even if the 'Archie' comic has some sort of amazing storyline that comes from whatever will happen in these issues, right now I'm just looking at it as a lazy way for them to get some headlines and the non-comic book readers to buy the collectible variant covers to try to sell them off because of past stunts by not only Archie Comics but other comic book publishers as well.
Yeah,I agree with you the the 'death' gimmick is pointless since comic book companies don't want to really kill off long running characters and that gimmick is done to 'death' (no pun intended) ,I think it's better that those comic book companies should remove the death gimmick to those long running characters except maybe the minor and forgotten ones and maybe give a final story to the old universe like dc and marvel with a proper closure and have the readers move on to the new dc and marvel universe with new canon stories that might give shock to the readers.
Quote from: CAPalace on March 25, 2017, 06:14:20 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 25, 2017, 02:40:40 PM
I don't really care who they kill. It matters that little to me. Go ahead and nuke the entire town for all I care. After Afterlife With Archie, what is there left to shock me, really?
Death has become fairly meaningless in comic books, anyway. Who really gets all bent out of shape when Captain America, or Wolverine, or Superman dies these days? It's been "done to death" (how apropos). It's all pretty ho-hum, and nobody feels any gravitas about how meaningful it is. All it really means is that you won't be seeing exactly that version of a character for a while (which is about the same as the cancellation of some character's series). There are uncounted ways to explain it all away as having never really happened, later resurrect the character somehow, or simply reboot him again and start over. Big deal.
^^^ This. ^^^
There are other ways to get readers/attention. Comic book "deaths" are just looked at as cheap now. Like, even if the 'Archie' comic has some sort of amazing storyline that comes from whatever will happen in these issues, right now I'm just looking at it as a lazy way for them to get some headlines and the non-comic book readers to buy the collectible variant covers to try to sell them off because of past stunts by not only Archie Comics but other comic book publishers as well.
This is true...But even so, I really hope they don't kill Reggie (or any of the main characters for that matter). Why kill them? What's the point?
If they do end up killing Reggie, will he also die on the Reggie and Me title? I don't like this reboot Reggie. He is not friends with the gang, he is always alone. It never was that way on the classic Archie comics. He was Archie's frenemy. They hung out together.
If it were up to me, I would have them kill the whole reboot and go back to the old and classic style and stories! ;)
I don't know whether to be mad about it or just laugh at the ridiculous irony. It's just completely wrong-headed. What was once lighthearted teenage comedy hijinks is now supposed to be some angsty dramatic tension, as Jan & Dean's "Won't come back from Dead Man's Curve" plays in the background.
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Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on March 29, 2017, 02:42:22 PM
This is true...But even so, I really hope they don't kill Reggie (or any of the main characters for that matter). Why kill them? What's the point? If they do end up killing Reggie, will he also die on the Reggie and Me title? I don't like this reboot Reggie. He is not friends with the gang, he is always alone. It never was that way on the classic Archie comics. He was Archie's frenemy. They hung out together.
If it were up to me, I would have them kill the whole reboot and go back to the old and classic style and stories! ;)
I hope so because using comic book death on the main series is considered a bad idea and is considered a change in tone and i agree reggie is considered a 'frenemy' throughout the archie series killing off is stupid stunt Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 30, 2017, 06:40:12 AMI don't know whether to be mad about it or just laugh at the ridiculous irony. It's just completely wrong-headed. What was once lighthearted teenage comedy hijinks is now supposed to be some angsty dramatic tension, as Jan & Dean's "Won't come back from Dead Man's Curve" plays in the background.
Yeah,I agree and it is considered stupid
Management are attention whores and think simply having publicity is positive.
Quote from: Alexandra Cabot on April 08, 2017, 12:01:32 AM
Management are attention whores and think simply having publicity is positive.
But i wonder what happens if they focus less on publicity and more on creativity
It'll probably be some minor character that no one cares about - maybe even a no-name background character.
But, yeah, comic book deaths don't mean anything - not even in TV and film adaptations. That's why I roll my eyes whenever a reactor cries out a main character's name when s/he's in trouble on screen - as if they're in any real danger.
Quote from: Tuxedo Mark on April 12, 2017, 12:58:12 PM
It'll probably be some minor character that no one cares about - maybe even a no-name background character.
yeah,I hope so
Quote from: Tuxedo Mark on April 12, 2017, 12:58:12 PMBut, yeah, comic book deaths don't mean anything - not even in TV and film adaptations. That's why I roll my eyes whenever a reactor cries out a main character's name when s/he's in trouble on screen - as if they're in any real danger.
I know,It was considered a faded comic book trend that won't work