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Aug 13 2022 9:51am
DeCarlo Rules: According to the current profiles for "traditional" characters on Archiecomics.com, the official nomenclature now is: Josie McCoy, Melody Valentine, and Valerie Smith. Pepper has no character profile, but there are only 21 of them.

Aug 12 2022 5:23pm
Tuxedo Mark: The new Pepper story that came out uses Valentine for Melody, so I guess that's officially her last name now.

Aug 12 2022 3:11pm
Tuxedo Mark: Melody's last name was Jones in the comics and Valentine in the movie. In the Josie manga (which came out after the movie), Josie's last name was Jones for the sole purpose of making a Bridget Jones reference. I forget what the New Riverdale comics used.

Aug 12 2022 3:09pm
Tuxedo Mark: Valerie's had the last name Smith in the comics, but I don't know when that started. Her last name in the movie was Brown. Josie's last name was James in the comics and McCoy in the movie and on Riverdale.

Aug 12 2022 10:56am
DeCarlo Rules: It's weird that sometimes they acknowledge that a character hasn't been seen in some time (I remember them doing that with Frankie Valdez, Evelyn Evernever, and Cheryl).

Aug 12 2022 10:53am
DeCarlo Rules: And Pepper did have a small appearance somewhere else in a classic story since Civil Chore, but I can't remember now. But the recent digest story is the first where she's actually the title character.

Aug 12 2022 10:50am
DeCarlo Rules: Valerie's had the last name Smith since... the 2001 movie? Unless Pepper's last name predates that , I can't see any excuse for using Smith again.

Aug 12 2022 10:47am
DeCarlo Rules: Stories have definitely been rescheduled from their original solicitations. Some digest solicits that promised two stories did not deliver when published..

Aug 10 2022 10:19am
Tuxedo Mark: I think we're meant to assume Pepper (like all of the rarely-used characters) have been in Riverdale this whole time (see, for example, Civil Chore, where she cameoed), but they don't warrant appearances.

Aug 10 2022 10:05am
Tuxedo Mark: And Josie and Pepper only just now go shopping for new swimsuits.

Afterlife With Archie [spoilers]

Started by Thrillho, May 25, 2016, 12:03:36 PM

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daren

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:19:02 AM
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:01:47 AM
In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.

I don't. It's HIS version of Reggie. I'm merely pointing out that that in classic Archie you don't get a view of the interior POV of how Reggie sees himself (and FAR fewer clues to go on, as applied to Midge).


Well you said in a way it's a shame Roberto's take couldn't apply to the classic characters so I assumed.


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Apart from being somewhat inconsistent in and of themselves, depending on which stories about Reggie from which time periods you pick and choose from, you can build a picture of a couple of different Reggies, by grouping certain classic Archie stories together to build your case. In one version, for example, a bunch of different stories reinforce the idea that the egotism and rotteness is a sham (Christmas stories where Reggie doesn't want the gang to discover he's really doing good deeds in secret, because it will ruin his reputation as king of the a-holes).


Yeah they do that with Veronica sometimes too. I don't think I like that, the idea that Reggie and Ronnie's characters are a facade because what have they got then?



DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:30:02 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:19:02 AM
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:01:47 AM
In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.

I don't. It's HIS version of Reggie. I'm merely pointing out that that in classic Archie you don't get a view of the interior POV of how Reggie sees himself (and FAR fewer clues to go on, as applied to Midge).


Well you said in a way it's a shame Roberto's take couldn't apply to the classic characters so I assumed.

I meant it's a shame we don't get that kind of insight into their interior mindset, not that particular one that RA-S (Al Ghul  ;) ) has assigned to his version of Reggie in AWA.



daren

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:40:41 AM
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:30:02 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:19:02 AM
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:01:47 AM
In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.

I don't. It's HIS version of Reggie. I'm merely pointing out that that in classic Archie you don't get a view of the interior POV of how Reggie sees himself (and FAR fewer clues to go on, as applied to Midge).


Well you said in a way it's a shame Roberto's take couldn't apply to the classic characters so I assumed.

I meant it's a shame we don't get that kind of insight into their interior mindset, not that particular one that RA-S (Al Ghul  ;) ) has assigned to his version of Reggie in AWA.


Oh I know you meant that, Im just not for exposition of their interior mindset no matter what it is, unless it's a joke.


RA-S al Ghul, I might use that from now on. :)

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:47:36 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:40:41 AM
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:30:02 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:19:02 AM
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:01:47 AM
In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.

I don't. It's HIS version of Reggie. I'm merely pointing out that that in classic Archie you don't get a view of the interior POV of how Reggie sees himself (and FAR fewer clues to go on, as applied to Midge).


Well you said in a way it's a shame Roberto's take couldn't apply to the classic characters so I assumed.

I meant it's a shame we don't get that kind of insight into their interior mindset, not that particular one that RA-S (Al Ghul  ;) ) has assigned to his version of Reggie in AWA.


Oh I know you meant that, Im just not for exposition of their interior mindset no matter what it is, unless it's a joke.


RA-S al Ghul, I might use that from now on. :)

That said, not all of anyone's (real person or fictional character) behavior is rationalized/articulated in some interior monologue or even conscious. There are layers.

Personally, I miss the "thought balloon", which has fallen out of favor in recent times in comic books. Just because some writers have used them badly doesn't mean they don't serve a good purpose when used creatively. I also miss the covers with word balloons.

daren

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 04:00:52 AM
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:47:36 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:40:41 AM
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:30:02 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:19:02 AM
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:01:47 AM
In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.

I don't. It's HIS version of Reggie. I'm merely pointing out that that in classic Archie you don't get a view of the interior POV of how Reggie sees himself (and FAR fewer clues to go on, as applied to Midge).


Well you said in a way it's a shame Roberto's take couldn't apply to the classic characters so I assumed.

I meant it's a shame we don't get that kind of insight into their interior mindset, not that particular one that RA-S (Al Ghul  ;) ) has assigned to his version of Reggie in AWA.


Oh I know you meant that, Im just not for exposition of their interior mindset no matter what it is, unless it's a joke.


RA-S al Ghul, I might use that from now on. :)

That said, not all of anyone's (real person or fictional character) behavior is rationalized/articulated in some interior monologue or even conscious. There are layers.

Personally, I miss the "thought balloon", which has fallen out of favor in recent times in comic books. Just because some writers have used them badly doesn't mean they don't serve a good purpose when used creatively. I also miss the covers with word balloons.


Yeah I miss those covers too. Thought balloons don't look as serious as captions so I guess for a story like this they're forbidden. I shouldn't have said I'm against ANY serious Archie exposition of interior mindset, it could work but with this story I was underwhelmed.

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