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Afterlife With Archie [spoilers]

Started by Thrillho, May 25, 2016, 12:03:36 pm

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daren

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:19:02 am
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:01:47 am
In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.


I don't. It's HIS version of Reggie. I'm merely pointing out that that in classic Archie you don't get a view of the interior POV of how Reggie sees himself (and FAR fewer clues to go on, as applied to Midge).



Well you said in a way it's a shame Roberto's take couldn't apply to the classic characters so I assumed.


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Apart from being somewhat inconsistent in and of themselves, depending on which stories about Reggie from which time periods you pick and choose from, you can build a picture of a couple of different Reggies, by grouping certain classic Archie stories together to build your case. In one version, for example, a bunch of different stories reinforce the idea that the egotism and rotteness is a sham (Christmas stories where Reggie doesn't want the gang to discover he's really doing good deeds in secret, because it will ruin his reputation as king of the a-holes).



Yeah they do that with Veronica sometimes too. I don't think I like that, the idea that Reggie and Ronnie's characters are a facade because what have they got then?



DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:30:02 am
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:19:02 am
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:01:47 am
In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.


I don't. It's HIS version of Reggie. I'm merely pointing out that that in classic Archie you don't get a view of the interior POV of how Reggie sees himself (and FAR fewer clues to go on, as applied to Midge).



Well you said in a way it's a shame Roberto's take couldn't apply to the classic characters so I assumed.


I meant it's a shame we don't get that kind of insight into their interior mindset, not that particular one that RA-S (Al Ghul  ;) ) has assigned to his version of Reggie in AWA.



daren

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:40:41 am
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:30:02 am
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:19:02 am
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:01:47 am
In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.


I don't. It's HIS version of Reggie. I'm merely pointing out that that in classic Archie you don't get a view of the interior POV of how Reggie sees himself (and FAR fewer clues to go on, as applied to Midge).



Well you said in a way it's a shame Roberto's take couldn't apply to the classic characters so I assumed.


I meant it's a shame we don't get that kind of insight into their interior mindset, not that particular one that RA-S (Al Ghul  ;) ) has assigned to his version of Reggie in AWA.



Oh I know you meant that, Im just not for exposition of their interior mindset no matter what it is, unless it's a joke.


RA-S al Ghul, I might use that from now on. :)

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:47:36 am
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:40:41 am
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:30:02 am
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:19:02 am
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:01:47 am
In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.


I don't. It's HIS version of Reggie. I'm merely pointing out that that in classic Archie you don't get a view of the interior POV of how Reggie sees himself (and FAR fewer clues to go on, as applied to Midge).



Well you said in a way it's a shame Roberto's take couldn't apply to the classic characters so I assumed.


I meant it's a shame we don't get that kind of insight into their interior mindset, not that particular one that RA-S (Al Ghul  ;) ) has assigned to his version of Reggie in AWA.



Oh I know you meant that, Im just not for exposition of their interior mindset no matter what it is, unless it's a joke.


RA-S al Ghul, I might use that from now on. :)


That said, not all of anyone's (real person or fictional character) behavior is rationalized/articulated in some interior monologue or even conscious. There are layers.

Personally, I miss the "thought balloon", which has fallen out of favor in recent times in comic books. Just because some writers have used them badly doesn't mean they don't serve a good purpose when used creatively. I also miss the covers with word balloons.

daren

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 04:00:52 am
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:47:36 am
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:40:41 am
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:30:02 am
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:19:02 am
Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:01:47 am
In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.


I don't. It's HIS version of Reggie. I'm merely pointing out that that in classic Archie you don't get a view of the interior POV of how Reggie sees himself (and FAR fewer clues to go on, as applied to Midge).



Well you said in a way it's a shame Roberto's take couldn't apply to the classic characters so I assumed.


I meant it's a shame we don't get that kind of insight into their interior mindset, not that particular one that RA-S (Al Ghul  ;) ) has assigned to his version of Reggie in AWA.



Oh I know you meant that, Im just not for exposition of their interior mindset no matter what it is, unless it's a joke.


RA-S al Ghul, I might use that from now on. :)


That said, not all of anyone's (real person or fictional character) behavior is rationalized/articulated in some interior monologue or even conscious. There are layers.

Personally, I miss the "thought balloon", which has fallen out of favor in recent times in comic books. Just because some writers have used them badly doesn't mean they don't serve a good purpose when used creatively. I also miss the covers with word balloons.



Yeah I miss those covers too. Thought balloons don't look as serious as captions so I guess for a story like this they're forbidden. I shouldn't have said I'm against ANY serious Archie exposition of interior mindset, it could work but with this story I was underwhelmed.


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