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Started by ASS-P, June 11, 2016, 04:33:42 pm

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ASS-P

I put a fairly lengthy ost on this subject up but my " Time to stay logged in" expired on me !  :'( FRICKEN FRACKEN RICKEN RATTEN !  :knuppel2: :-X

ASS-P

Quote from: ASS-P on June 11, 2016, 04:33:42 pm
I put a fairly lengthy post on this subject up but my " Time to stay logged in" expired on me !  :'( FRICKEN FRACKEN RICKEN RATTEN !  :knuppel2: :-X

ASS-P

...Briefly , a lot of newspapers out here on the West Coast publish , on Saturdays , an " early Sunday " edition ~ billed as that ~ with Saturday's newspaper , but the Sunday comics and ad supplements , or something like that ~ and , again , billed as " Early Sunday " .
  An attempt by the bosses to get around paying their people for two days , just one instead on the petense that " It's just two Sunday editions " ? Then no doubt they'd say it was " being lean & mean " :tickedoff: and " doing more with less " :knuppel2: (My parents were both newspaper reporters .)...

steveinthecity

Quote from: ASS-P on June 11, 2016, 05:25:11 pm
...Briefly , a lot of newspapers out here on the West Coast publish , on Saturdays , an " early Sunday " edition ~ billed as that ~ with Saturday's newspaper , but the Sunday comics and ad supplements , or something like that ~ and , again , billed as " Early Sunday " .
  An attempt by the bosses to get around paying their people for two days , just one instead on the petense that " It's just two Sunday editions " ? Then no doubt they'd say it was " being lean & mean " :tickedoff: and " doing more with less " :knuppel2: (My parents were both newspaper reporters .)...
I didn't know any papers "doubled up" on the comics they printed, but it's probably just a general cost cutting measure as the publisher determined the majority of customers don't buy the paper both days.  I don't know the royalty or payment rules, but I suspect the paper pays for using one comic per calendar date(as I believe you do as well). I'm an example of a customer not contributing to the coffers as I can't justify buying a Sunday paper and haven't in years, but maybe I'd buy the later Saturday(advance Sunday) edition to get the ads, inserts, and whatnot.
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DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: steveinthecity on September 11, 2016, 02:25:52 am
Quote from: ASS-P on June 11, 2016, 05:25:11 pm
...Briefly , a lot of newspapers out here on the West Coast publish , on Saturdays , an " early Sunday " edition ~ billed as that ~ with Saturday's newspaper , but the Sunday comics and ad supplements , or something like that ~ and , again , billed as " Early Sunday " .
  An attempt by the bosses to get around paying their people for two days , just one instead on the petense that " It's just two Sunday editions " ? Then no doubt they'd say it was " being lean & mean " :tickedoff: and " doing more with less " :knuppel2: (My parents were both newspaper reporters .)...
I didn't know any papers "doubled up" on the comics they printed, but it's probably just a general cost cutting measure as the publisher determined the majority of customers don't buy the paper both days.  I don't know the royalty or payment rules, but I suspect the paper pays for using one comic per calendar date(as I believe you do as well). I'm an example of a customer not contributing to the coffers as I can't justify buying a Sunday paper and haven't in years, but maybe I'd buy the later Saturday(advance Sunday) edition to get the ads, inserts, and whatnot.


Sounds to me like the "Early Sunday" edition of the paper is just Saturday's news, with the addition of some the supplements and advertising content that would normally appear in the weekly Sunday edition. Some people don't get the daily paper, and only get the Sunday edition, and I suppose that the subscribers would probably get both the daily and Sunday editions, but not the "Early Sunday" edition, so it sounds like they're just trying to sell a few more copies of Saturday's newspaper by including some of the weekly features (like the comics section) that would usually appear on Sunday. I doubt it has anything to do with trying to squeeze extra work out of their employees, as it wouldn't appear that there was anything much content-wise appearing in the Early Sunday edition, that didn't also appear in the regular daily Saturday editon or the weekly Sunday edition. Besides which, the people who print and deliver the papers aren't salaried, they're hourly employees, so they get paid for the time they worked. Unless there were some sort of late-breaking story on Saturday after the regular daily edition had been sent to the printers, there wouldn't be any reporters, writers, photographers or editors putting in extra hours.

ASS-P


....Well , no , he particular exampleI,m especially pointing to here [size=78%](though there are others) , in their : Early Saturday : edition , gives yoou a full (three sections) daily-style Saturday pape PLUS [/size]
[/size][size=78%] the Sunday comics and the ad sections  , IIRC all for the same price as the Mon-Fri daily paper . If you buy the Sunday , you,ll get a completely diifferent , and longer , non-comics Sunday paper , plus the same comics and (I guess) the same ads again (Plus Parade magazine in the Sunday but not the Satuday ? Not sure ,) . .[/size]



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Quote from: steveinthecity on September 11, 2016, 02:25:52 am
Quote from: ASS-P on June 11, 2016, 05:25:11 pm
...Briefly , a lot of newspapers out here on the West Coast publish , on Saturdays , an " early Sunday " edition ~ billed as that ~ with Saturday's newspaper , but the Sunday comics and ad supplements , or something like that ~ and , again , billed as " Early Sunday " .
  An attempt by the bosses to get around paying their people for two days , just one instead on the petense that " It's just two Sunday editions " ? Then no doubt they'd say it was " being lean & mean " :tickedoff: and " doing more with less " :knuppel2: (My parents were both newspaper reporters .)...
I didn't know any papers "doubled up" on the comics they printed, but it's probably just a general cost cutting measure as the publisher determined the majority of customers don't buy the paper both days.  I don't know the royalty or payment rules, but I suspect the paper pays for using one comic per calendar date(as I believe you do as well). I'm an example of a customer not contributing to the coffers as I can't justify buying a Sunday paper and haven't in years, but maybe I'd buy the later Saturday(advance Sunday) edition to get the ads, inserts, and whatnot.


Sounds to me like the "Early Sunday" edition of the paper is just Saturday's news, with the addition of some the supplements and advertising content that would normally appear in the weekly Sunday edition. Some people don't get the daily paper, and only get the Sunday edition, and I suppose that the subscribers would probably get both the daily and Sunday editions, but not the "Early Sunday" edition, so it sounds like they're just trying to sell a few more copies of Saturday's newspaper by including some of the weekly features (like the comics section) that would usually appear on Sunday. I doubt it has anything to do with trying to squeeze extra work out of their employees, as it wouldn't appear that there was anything much content-wise appearing in the Early Sunday edition, that didn't also appear in the regular daily Saturday editon or the weekly Sunday edition. Besides which, the people who print and deliver the papers aren't salaried, they're hourly employees, so they get paid for the time they worked. Unless there were some sort of late-breaking story on Saturday after the regular daily edition had been sent to the printers, there wouldn't be any reporters, writers, photographers or editors putting in extra hours.

ASS-P












....Well , no , the particular example , I,m especially pointing to here (though there are others) , in their : Early Saturday : edition , gives you a full (three sections) daily-style Saturday pape PLUS the Sunday comics and the ad sections  , IIRC all for the same price as the Mon-Fri daily paper . If you buy the Sunday , you,ll get a completely diifferent , and longer , non-comics Sunday paper , plus the same comics and (I guess) the same ads again (Plus Parade magazine in the Sunday but not the Satuday ? Not sure ,) .


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Quote from: steveinthecity on September 11, 2016, 02:25:52 am
Quote from: ASS-P on June 11, 2016, 05:25:11 pm
...Briefly , a lot of newspapers out here on the West Coast publish , on Saturdays , an " early Sunday " edition ~ billed as that ~ with Saturday's newspaper , but the Sunday comics and ad supplements , or something like that ~ and , again , billed as " Early Sunday " .
  An attempt by the bosses to get around paying their people for two days , just one instead on the petense that " It's just two Sunday editions " ? Then no doubt they'd say it was " being lean & mean " :tickedoff: and " doing more with less " :knuppel2: (My parents were both newspaper reporters .)...
I didn't know any papers "doubled up" on the comics they printed, but it's probably just a general cost cutting measure as the publisher determined the majority of customers don't buy the paper both days.  I don't know the royalty or payment rules, but I suspect the paper pays for using one comic per calendar date(as I believe you do as well). I'm an example of a customer not contributing to the coffers as I can't justify buying a Sunday paper and haven't in years, but maybe I'd buy the later Saturday(advance Sunday) edition to get the ads, inserts, and whatnot.


Sounds to me like the "Early Sunday" edition of the paper is just Saturday's news, with the addition of some the supplements and advertising content that would normally appear in the weekly Sunday edition. Some people don't get the daily paper, and only get the Sunday edition, and I suppose that the subscribers would probably get both the daily and Sunday editions, but not the "Early Sunday" edition, so it sounds like they're just trying to sell a few more copies of Saturday's newspaper by including some of the weekly features (like the comics section) that would usually appear on Sunday. I doubt it has anything to do with trying to squeeze extra work out of their employees, as it wouldn't appear that there was anything much content-wise appearing in the Early Sunday edition, that didn't also appear in the regular daily Saturday editon or the weekly Sunday edition. Besides which, the people who print and deliver the papers aren't salaried, they're hourly employees, so they get paid for the time they worked. Unless there were some sort of late-breaking story on Saturday after the regular daily edition had been sent to the printers, there wouldn't be any reporters, writers, photographers or editors putting in extra hours.

DeCarlo Rules

January 26, 2017, 04:20:58 pm #7 Last Edit: January 26, 2017, 04:33:59 pm by DeCarlo Rules
Isn't that what I said? How does (apart from the comic section and other supplements) the regular Saturday edition of the paper compare to the "Early Saturday" edition? Is it basically the same news?

What I'm getting at here is that it sounds like if you had the regular Saturday paper + the regular Sunday paper, you could throw out Sunday's news and just keep the comics and supplements, and add them to Saturday's paper, and what you'd have is essentially the "Early Saturday" edition you're describing. That being the case, "Early Saturday" seems like a hybrid product put together from pieces that are going to exist anyway, so I don't see where (apart from delivering it) it involves much of anything in the way of extra work for the newspaper people.

And the thought just occurred to me, that there are some people who really don't care about Sunday's NEWS, and they'd only be buying for the comic section, Parade magazine section, advertising flyers, etc. So if they can get all that even sooner, together with Saturday's paper, so much the better for them. It might be that the Sunday news is just too much for some people to read in a day, so it's a waste to them.

ASS-P

...In the example I,m giving  , there is no other version avallable of the SSatuurday paper but the : Early Sunday : version .
  I,ll say more later but I.m rushed for postinng time now .

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: ASS-P on January 27, 2017, 11:26:52 pm
...In the example I,m giving  , there is no other version avallable of the SSatuurday paper but the : Early Sunday : version .
  I,ll say more later but I.m rushed for postinng time now .


Another thing to factor into this is that the paper may be committed to providing the advertisers for its Sunday supplemental flyers with a certain guaranteed level of circulation, and if the Sunday paper's circulation isn't large enough by itself to reach that number of readers, the inclusion of the ad flyers with the Early Saturday edition covers any disparity so that the combined circulation of both the Early Saturday and regular weekly Sunday papers reaches the target number of readers which the paper has guaranteed to its advertisers.

ASS-P

...That,s a thougght .
  Quite a few paper in cCaliseem to be doing this Early Sunday thiing .
  IIt wa the reporters , I think , especially I  was thinking about postulating the owners trying to get two days,  work for the price of one .

DeCarlo Rules

January 28, 2017, 12:48:12 am #11 Last Edit: January 28, 2017, 02:00:04 am by DeCarlo Rules
Quote from: ASS-P on January 28, 2017, 12:22:26 am
...That,s a thougght .
  Quite a few paper in cCaliseem to be doing this Early Sunday thiing .
  IIt wa the reporters , I think , especially I  was thinking about postulating the owners trying to get two days,  work for the price of one .


Two days work for the price of one? Wouldn't there be a Saturday paper regardless of whether or not it included the comics section and supplemental flyers? The local papers in my area all have a Saturday edition, and always have. It's no different than the daily edition (or more accurately rather, the "daily edition" includes Monday through Saturday's newspaper). I haven't checked lately to see whether or not they include the supplements from Sunday's paper. Were you under the impression that somehow news doesn't happen on Saturday, so everyone on the newspaper gets a day off?

As far as I can tell, this has pretty much always been the case in the newspaper business. I collect those hardcover collections of newspaper strip comics. Some of them have separate volumes for the weekly and Sunday continuities, and some reprint both the daily and Sunday strips in the same volume (depending on whether the strip ran different story than the daily strips on Sundays). In every case, the strips are reprinted with uniformity -- two facing pages reprint the dailies, with three tiers of strips on each of the facing pages (six dailies altogether). Then if the strip continuity continues into Sunday, that would be reprinted on the following page, followed by another two pages of dailies. All of the popular newspaper strips are syndicated, as opposed to originating locally, so that proves that the vast majority of daily papers in the nation have a Saturday edition. If it weren't so, then it would hardly be practical for the syndicates to pay a writer and artist to create a new strip for Saturday, if there weren't enough newspapers that actually carried the strip. Also, it would present a problem to readers of continuity strips that missed Saturday's strip, because they might miss something important that happens in the story. They could conceivably recap whatever happened in Saturday's strip within the longer Sunday strip, but only for those continuity strips where the daily and Sunday storylines were part of the same continuity -- and as I mentioned, some strips had different storylines running in the daily strip, and the Sunday strip. I can see where there might be a few podunk communities where nothing much newsworthy happens on Saturday, and/or there just isn't enough circulation for Saturday's edition of the paper to justify the effort involved in putting it out, but like I said, if that were predominantly true, then the syndicates wouldn't bother having comic artists create a new strip for Saturday's paper.

ASS-P

....DeCarlo , I  meant trying  to get two days of work out of the reporters , especially !!!
  I believe I am considerably older than you , my parents were both in the newspaper business , I like to thinnk , nyway , that I know a bit about the newspaper biz from myy outsider,s perspective...I did not meann what I guess you thhiink I meant by what I wrote !

DeCarlo Rules

January 29, 2017, 12:20:33 am #13 Last Edit: January 29, 2017, 01:17:44 am by DeCarlo Rules
Quote from: ASS-P on January 28, 2017, 10:26:13 pm
....DeCarlo , I  meant trying  to get two days of work out of the reporters , especially !!!
  I believe I am considerably older than you , my parents were both in the newspaper business , I like to thinnk , nyway , that I know a bit about the newspaper biz from myy outsider,s perspective...I did not meann what I guess you thhiink I meant by what I wrote !


Then I REALLY don't understand what you mean. There are seven days in a week. There is news on every one of those days, and a newspaper is printed every single day of the week to report that news, so that means seven days of reporting. That doesn't mean all reporters have to work seven days, because newspapers employ several reporters, and they all get paid for whatever days they're working on a story (or by the story, I'm not sure... it's quite possible that some of them are freelancers as opposed to hourly or salaried employees). It's also possible that there may be some news stories in the Sunday paper which are the same stories printed in an earlier daily edition (that would depend on timeliness and whether it was considered a story of ongoing interest) -- and some of those may not be word-for-word reprints, but rewritten by people who do just that but do not actually do any reporting, they simply use the same facts that the original reporter collected.

I see nothing the least bit unusual about this. Maybe it might appear that way to people with a mindset that tells them that a "normal" employee works only 5 days a week, Monday through Friday, and then goes home to relax over the weekend. That obviously doesn't apply to the newspaper business, because the news never stops. It's round-the-clock, 24/7, just like the police, fire department, 24-hour security, and many other businesses and public services. All I know is that there are seven days in a week and seven newspapers (at least seven - some cities have both a morning and evening edition Monday through Friday), so where does "two days for one" come from? There isn't a single hour of the day on any day of the week that someone connected to the newspaper business isn't working. And they have labor unions (like The Newspaper Guild) to protect their rights as employees, too. Don't be too sure that you're considerably older than me.

ASS-P


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Quote from: ASS-P on January 28, 2017, 10:26:13 pm
....DeCarlo , I  meant trying  to get two days of work out of the reporters , especially !!!
  I believe I am considerably older than you , my parents were both in the newspaper business , I like to thinnk , nyway , that I know a bit about the newspaper biz from myy outsider,s perspective...I did not meann what I guess you thhiink I meant by what I wrote !


Then I REALLY don't understand what you mean. There are seven days in a week. There is news on every one of those days, and a newspaper is printed every single day of the week to report that news, so that means seven days of reporting. That doesn't mean all reporters have to work seven days, because newspapers employ several reporters, and they all get paid for whatever days they're working on a story (or by the story, I'm not sure... it's quite possible that some of them are freelancers as opposed to hourly or salaried employees). It's also possible that there may be some news stories in the Sunday paper which are the same stories printed in an earlier daily edition (that would depend on timeliness and whether it was considered a story of ongoing interest) -- and some of those may not be word-for-word reprints, but rewritten by people who do just that but do not actually do any reporting, they simply use the same facts that the original reporter collected.

I see nothing the least bit unusual about this. Maybe it might appear that way to people with a mindset that tells them that a "normal" employee works only 5 days a week, Monday through Friday, and then goes home to relax over the weekend. That obviously doesn't apply to the newspaper business, because the news never stops. It's round-the-clock, 24/7, just like the police, fire department, 24-hour security, and many other businesses and public services. All I know is that there are seven days in a week and seven newspapers (at least seven - some cities have both a morning and evening edition Monday through Friday), so where does "two days for one" come from? There isn't a single hour of the day on any day of the week that someone connected to the newspaper business isn't working. And they have labor unions (like The Newspaper Guild) to protect their rights as employees, too. Don't be too sure that you're considerably older than me.


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