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Title: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Tuxedo Mark on September 12, 2016, 12:50:04 PM
Back on the old forum, I often talked about my experiences working for Kmart (which merged with Sears in 2005, the merger being the brainchild of chairman Eddie Lampert, a Wall Street hedge fund manager with no previous retail experience that, after one person after another vacated the CEO position, decided to become the CEO himself), the pressure from management to sign customers up for the Sears credit card and the all-important Shop Your Way Rewards card, and other crap, and I supplemented these personal accounts with info from news articles about the company at large, which was doing poorly.

A lot of people, even back then, expected the company to go out of business soon. Well, it's still around but probably not for much longer (for real, this time). This pair of articles illustrates just how far that the company and the individual stores have fallen:

From the workers: http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topstories/sears-workers-reveal-why-the-company-is-bleeding-cash/ar-AAiaq4S?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=UP97DHP

From the customers: http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/it-was-a-ghost-town-shoppers-reveal-why-theyve-abandoned-sears-and-kmart/ar-AAiKhLa?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=UP97DHP
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: SAGG on September 12, 2016, 04:21:34 PM
Back on the old forum, I often talked about my experiences working for Kmart (which merged with Sears in 2005, the merger being the brainchild of chairman Eddie Lampert, a Wall Street hedge fund manager with no previous retail experience that, after one person after another vacated the CEO position, decided to become the CEO himself), the pressure from management to sign customers up for the Sears credit card and the all-important Shop Your Way Rewards card, and other crap, and I supplemented these personal accounts with info from news articles about the company at large, which was doing poorly.

A lot of people, even back then, expected the company to go out of business soon. Well, it's still around but probably not for much longer (for real, this time). This pair of articles illustrates just how far that the company and the individual stores have fallen:

From the workers: http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topstories/sears-workers-reveal-why-the-company-is-bleeding-cash/ar-AAiaq4S?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=UP97DHP

From the customers: http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/it-was-a-ghost-town-shoppers-reveal-why-theyve-abandoned-sears-and-kmart/ar-AAiKhLa?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=UP97DHP
Sigh--how the mighty have fallen. :(  Wal-Mart's really wiped out a lot of iconic name retail stores, and is still in the process of doing so. Sears screwed itself up when they ditched their catalog business.

Quick fact: I didn't know Sam Walton worked once for Kmart! :o They dissed him by not listening to his ideas to improve the business, he went rogue by starting his own business, and he more than got his revenge...
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Cosmo on September 12, 2016, 06:37:15 PM
Sears /K-Mart are on life support, but the prognosis for pulling through is kind of grim. Before the big box era Sears was king. I can still remember the annual toy catalog. It was the ultimate source for that list to Santa. Heck I think Santa Claus put it out.

Anyone remember Murphy Mart from the sixties and seventies? I worked at the one that opened in Bethel Park, PA in the late sixties. It seems primitive now, but it was cutting edge retail back in the day.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: steveinthecity on September 13, 2016, 05:40:47 AM
I miss the old "Complain about work" thread which was a pretty cool journal of Tuxedo Mark's day to day and weekly experiences as a retail sales associate.

And Cosmo, I remember Murphy's Mart.  It was an anchor along with Sears at my local mall.  I remember getting t-shirts printed there and they had a big selection of pop culture posters we'd always check out.  They had a lunch counter as well as the typical "five & dime" stuff ala K-Mart.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Tuxedo Mark on December 05, 2016, 08:51:16 PM
Ominous article posted today. Apparently, Sears Holdings will announce its third-quarter results on Thursday morning before the market opens, and a lot of people are expecting the news to be really bad this time - especially amid some high-profile departures from the company in the middle of the holiday shopping season. They probably don't wanna be on the ship when it sinks, possibly early next year:

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13914558/1/expect-the-absolute-worst-from-sears-results.html
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Tuxedo Mark on December 08, 2016, 03:55:40 PM
Net loss of $748,000,000 for the third quarter of this year. More store closings coming. Fast Eddie's still touting Shop Your Way as the savior of the company.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on December 08, 2016, 04:16:56 PM
There's always Walmart, I guess. But I don't know that I'd want to work there either. I guess you could look at it this way... just think of how much fodder you'd have for a complaint thread!
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Tuxedo Mark on December 30, 2016, 06:11:42 PM
Front page of today's paper: the Kmart that I used to work at (in the mall) is finally closing (in April). The liquidation sale begins in January.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: SAGG on December 30, 2016, 06:15:32 PM
I wish Sears would just die already, the same for Kmart. Put the suffering creature out of its misery....  :'(
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Captain Jetpack on December 30, 2016, 06:31:46 PM
Sears just got a $200,000,000 injection of capital.
Can it save the business?
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: SAGG on December 30, 2016, 08:26:08 PM

Sears just got a $200,000,000 injection of capital.
Can it save the business?


Money down the hole. It's extremely rare for a floundering business to recover to prosperity. I'm sure there's an example or two, but I don't remember right off....
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Tuxedo Mark on December 30, 2016, 08:42:04 PM
Sears just got a $200,000,000 injection of capital.

Probably from Fast Eddie. He keeps loaning the company money, so he'll be the first creditor to collect once he inevitably runs the company into the ground.

Can it save the business?

Hahahahahaha...no.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: BettyReggie on December 30, 2016, 09:29:38 PM
I hate Sears. A couple of years ago. I went to the optical department there. I did the eye exam & picked out eyeglasses. And when we went to pick them up. The lady behind the counter said they were able picked up. Someone stole my eyeglasses. I never went back there because of that.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Archiecomicxfan215 on December 31, 2016, 12:27:03 AM
Sears near me was 2 floors, now only one. The 2nd floor is gonna be another store and i might be working at but not sure yet.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Ottawagrant on December 31, 2016, 11:16:43 AM
It is rare for a business going under to recover. There are a few famous one's. A very big one is Chrysler. Back in the 80's they were about to go under, but came back big with the K-car. K-Mart is long gone in Canada. They were bought out by Zeller's, which became Target (Canada) - which was a disaster! for Target. They thought they were going to sell overpriced stuff. Didn't work. The killer for target was not bringing in any of the products sold at Target USA, which is what everyone wanted.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Captain Jetpack on January 05, 2017, 07:29:56 AM
I hate Sears. A couple of years ago. I went to the optical department there. I did the eye exam & picked out eyeglasses. And when we went to pick them up. The lady behind the counter said they were able picked up. Someone stole my eyeglasses. I never went back there because of that.


“You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity.”  ~~~Robert A. Heinlein
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Tuxedo Mark on January 05, 2017, 07:39:38 PM
BLOODBATH!

From today's press release (snarky comments in brackets are mine):

 Sears Holdings Announces Steps To Enhance Liquidity, Stabilize Operating Performance Actions will facilitate strategic transformation [Brick-and-mortar retail is hard! We wanna go online-only!]
 Jan 5, 2017  HOFFMAN ESTATES, Ill., Jan. 5, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- Sears Holdings Corporation (NASDAQ: SHLD) today announced a series of additional strategic actions to increase its financial flexibility and improve long-term operating performance. These actions will facilitate the transformation of Sears from a store-based, asset-intensive business model into a membership-focused, asset-light business model. As such, the Board of Directors has determined to:"We are taking strong, decisive actions today to stabilize the company and improve our financial flexibility in what remains a challenging retail environment," said Edward S. Lampert, Chairman & CEO of Sears Holdings. "We are committed to improving short-term operating performance in order to achieve our long-term transformation." [Going online only!]

"Going forward, Sears will be more focused on our Shop Your Way membership platform, a network with tens of millions of active members, and our Integrated Retail strategy in order to be a more nimble, innovative and relevant retailer that is better able to provide value and convenience to our customers. We are confident that concentrating on these key initiatives will lay the foundation for growth over the long-term," Mr. Lampert continued. [Fast Eddie's still touting Shop [Y]Our Way Rewards as the future of retail.]

Here's the list of stores closing:

http://searsholdings.com/docs/010417_store_closing_list.pdf (http://searsholdings.com/docs/010417_store_closing_list.pdf)
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: ASS-P on January 26, 2017, 11:53:47 AM
...If there are K-Marts or Sears in San Francisco proper or nearby , I,m not aware  of them . When I still lived in Santa Cruz , there was a K-Mart in near-by-bus Watsonville...that I actually found sold Archie digests  :) :D :smitten: !!!!!!!!!!!
  When  I was young , in Westchester County , New York , we had a Sears catalog store in Mount Kisco , near us , and I loved the Christmas Wish Book loads :smitten:  . There was also a big , department store-type , Sears in White Plains , which I think may have been described as : the biggest Sears : - where ? at that time , . The biggest west of the Misisippi ? That seems unlikely .
  The biggeest in a 13 Colonies/Eastern Seaboard state ? Northeastern stae ? Midatlantic state ?
  We didn,t have K-Mart where we grew  up , primarily I feel because we had a similar chain called Caldor,s , which rather took up that slice of the market .
  I guess Caldors, was a touch more genteel/perhaps : upscale : (I recently read about it that it was described at the time as - The Macy,s of discount stores ? Remember , this is the 60s and 70s we,re talking about .
  I guess it tended to be less spread out than Wal-Mart - I think of Wal-Mart as being more in the spread-out , flat , Midwest while we were n the closer together , more hilly Northeastern states . Might Caldors, have only been in NY Stata and Connecticut ?
  I later found out that K-Mart had these massive snack bars/junk food stands - Caldors, just had little stand-up junk food stands , not selling anything moe elaborate than maybe what was in those rotating spears warmers that they sold pretels from , maybe hot dogs - Does that mean they did not have grills on the stands , say , or voilers ?
  Maybe ?
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: steveinthecity on January 26, 2017, 12:57:01 PM
As a kid we had K-Mart and Murphy's Mart which were almost identical in product and layout, and both had a cafeteria area where you could sit and eat, but I never heard of other locations having that, just the typical food stand stuff like hot dogs, etc.


I enjoyed the Sears Wish Book, too.  I spent countless hours every year with my nose buried in those.   :smitten:
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on January 26, 2017, 08:50:54 PM
A few days ago I came across a post on some blog and someone had found Archie's Weird Mysteries the Complete Season for 5 dollars at a Kmart. I got excited but then I noticed it was a post from 2014  :-[
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Archiecomicxfan215 on January 26, 2017, 08:56:33 PM
The last K-Mart here in Staten Island is closing down by summer. Sears downgraded from 2 floors to 1 floor. The Sears Auto Center is gone too. Who knows if the one floor Sears will last :/
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: TheSnowflakeNetwork on January 26, 2017, 11:26:07 PM
As a kid we had K-Mart and Murphy's Mart which were almost identical in product and layout, and both had a cafeteria area where you could sit and eat, but I never heard of other locations having that, just the typical food stand stuff like hot dogs, etc.
I heard that Little Caesar's used to be in many Kmart locations. Then after a lot of Kmart locations closed around 2003 or so, Little Caesar's started offering the Hot-N-Ready and found success without Kmart.


My nearest Kmart is closing, and I stocked up on Monster Energy. Then I found out that they were on sale cheaper at Target at the moment. The store was oddly depressing.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on January 27, 2017, 08:51:15 PM
This is a very important thread, but where's the thread about Walmart or Target?
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: ASS-P on January 28, 2017, 12:00:28 AM
...Walmart isn,t in San[size=78%] Francisco . Target is - in sttres which they brand : City Targt :s (or : Urban Target :s ?) . I wonder why they feeel compllledtoactually cuse  a sub-brand name ?[/size]
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Archiecomicxfan215 on January 28, 2017, 11:40:30 AM
^ i went to the Target in San Francisco when i was on vacation. I liked it but i was surprised that i had to pay $0.05 for a plastic bag. I figured the reason for not having a Walmart was the same as for NYC where I am from, cause it hurts smaller businessesbor something like that. I could be wrong.


However, I never seen so many Walgreens in my life until I went to San Francisco :o
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Ottawagrant on January 28, 2017, 07:46:03 PM
Canada has had a 3 cent cost for a plastic bag for quite a while. WalMart here was one of the last business' to charge for bags. It's no surprise, with California's environmental laws, that they are a State that charges for bags. While you were in San Francisco did the new soda tax kick in yet?
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Ottawagrant on January 29, 2017, 10:52:20 AM
Here's another casualty of the modern age. HMV in Canada is closing all 102 stores throwing 1340 employee's out of work. It's the end of an era. HMV used to be the biggest retailer of records, CD's & DVD's in Canada. Back in the 80's when you went to Toronto their Younge St. store was a 'must' go to place. Originally, in the 60's & 70's, it was 'Sam the Record Man'. Canada's biggest record store. New records on the main floor. Other stuff on the 2nd floor, & then deleted stock on the 3rd floor. I remember buying the album 'First Base' by 'Babe Ruth'. Released in 1972, deleted, and cleared out for 99 cents. A good quality vinyl copy now will set you back $60. bucks Canadian. Sam's was forced into bankruptcy in 1993 by HMV, A&A Records, and this new thing - the internet.

If you want to read up on the band 'Babe Ruth' there's an excellent write up here: Scroll down to the 'Reviews' section.
https://www.discogs.com/Babe-Ruth-First-Base/release/635470
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on January 29, 2017, 05:47:24 PM
^ i went to the Target in San Francisco when i was on vacation. I liked it but i was surprised that i had to pay $0.05 for a plastic bag. I figured the reason for not having a Walmart was the same as for NYC where I am from, cause it hurts smaller businessesbor something like that. I could be wrong.


However, I never seen so many Walgreens in my life until I went to San Francisco :o

It's called Commiefornia for a reason.  Don't worry, everyone in San Francisco is either as rich as sin or a homeless bum that is living an above middle class lifestyle.  When you're as rich as sin you can be concerned with things like insuring that every homeless bum has free housing and owns a Chihuahua (yes they actually get free Chihuahuas, I wonder why so many homeless go there, could there be some kind of connection?).

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While you were in San Francisco did the new soda tax kick in yet?

Anyone who supports this kind of soda tax should be thrown into the Boston Harbor by people dressed as Native Americans.  Of course, since California is trying to secede from the United States now, they probably no longer consider their sevles Americans.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: SAGG on January 29, 2017, 06:11:14 PM

^ i went to the Target in San Francisco when i was on vacation. I liked it but i was surprised that i had to pay $0.05 for a plastic bag. I figured the reason for not having a Walmart was the same as for NYC where I am from, cause it hurts smaller businessesbor something like that. I could be wrong.


However, I never seen so many Walgreens in my life until I went to San Francisco :o

It's called Commiefornia for a reason.  Don't worry, everyone in San Francisco is either as rich as sin or a homeless bum that is living an above middle class lifestyle.  When you're as rich as sin you can be concerned with things like insuring that every homeless bum has free housing and owns a Chihuahua (yes they actually get free Chihuahuas, I wonder why so many homeless go there, could there be some kind of connection?).

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While you were in San Francisco did the new soda tax kick in yet?

Anyone who supports this kind of soda tax should be thrown into the Boston Harbor by people dressed as Native Americans.  Of course, since California is trying to secede from the United States now, they probably no longer consider their sevles Americans.


Say what you want about Democratically-controlled California, but after Der Arnold left, Gov. Brown raised taxes on the rich, and the state went from huge deficits to huge surpluses. Now, contrast this with, say, Kansas, where taxes were slashed, bare-bones style. Result? Huge deficits. Now, I think the soda tax might be a wee bit going too far, but hey, sugar can be as addictive as nicotine or alcohol, not to mention it can help to promote diabetes, which I have. For the sake of health, paying a tad more on a tax might just discourage enough people to cut back on taking in something that could affect their health. And I can't swim, nor do I want to...  :D
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: ASS-P on January 29, 2017, 09:46:40 PM

...To answer just one parrt of your comment - As far as secession goes , do you remember all the people (especially in Texas) who went on and on about seceding during Obama,s terms ?
  If not , I,ll link to Web thiings about it .













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^ i went to the Target in San Francisco when i was on vacation. I liked it but i was surprised that i had to pay $0.05 for a plastic bag. I figured the reason for not having a Walmart was the same as for NYC where I am from, cause it hurts smaller businessesbor something like that. I could be wrong.


However, I never seen so many Walgreens in my life until I went to San Francisco :o

It's called Commiefornia for a reason.  Don't worry, everyone in San Francisco is either as rich as sin or a homeless bum that is living an above middle class lifestyle.  When you're as rich as sin you can be concerned with things like insuring that every homeless bum has free housing and owns a Chihuahua (yes they actually get free Chihuahuas, I wonder why so many homeless go there, could there be some kind of connection?).

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While you were in San Francisco did the new soda tax kick in yet?

Anyone who supports this kind of soda tax should be thrown into the Boston Harbor by people dressed as Native Americans.  Of course, since California is trying to secede from the United States now, they probably no longer consider their sevles Americans.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on January 30, 2017, 12:49:14 AM
Say what you want about Democratically-controlled California, but after Der Arnold left, Gov. Brown raised taxes on the rich, and the state went from huge deficits to huge surpluses. Now, contrast this with, say, Kansas, where taxes were slashed, bare-bones style. Result? Huge deficits.

You fail to mention that there is so much wealth centered in California because the snobby elitist scumbags that live there only care about investing in their psuedo-liberal utopia and wouldn't even dare consider investing in "fly over" states that actually need it like Kansas or even say Michigan.  In other states, we also put a preference on allowing people access to their own earned income instead of using it to increase the dependency of those that don't want to work.

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Now, I think the soda tax might be a wee bit going too far, but hey, sugar can be as addictive as nicotine or alcohol, not to mention it can help to promote diabetes, which I have. For the sake of health, paying a tad more on a tax might just discourage enough people to cut back on taking in something that could affect their health. And I can't swim, nor do I want to...  :D

What you describe is the creation of a nanny state.  It's not the government's place to dictate behavior like diet.  If you need Big Brother to tell you to eat a balanced diet, you have problems, namely you still have the mental state of a child.  If you have diabetes for that reason, blame yourself and stop assuming others don't have self control and need a government baby sitter.  I've never seen anything more demeaning than people that actually support these Bloomberg-esque policies.  It's also a slippery slope that can never be stopped.  You'll go from that to a mayonnaise tax to government mandated exercise regiments, which I've actually seen suggested seriously on Democratic Underground.  It's just pure idiocy.

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...To answer just one parrt of your comment - As far as secession goes , do you remember all the people (especially in Texas) who went on and on about seceding during Obama,s terms ?
  If not , I,ll link to Web thiings about it .

Texas was also an independent nation that joined the United States voluntarily.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Captain Jetpack on January 30, 2017, 07:16:53 AM
Say what you want about Democratically-controlled California, but after Der Arnold left, Gov. Brown raised taxes on the rich, and the state went from huge deficits to huge surpluses. Now, contrast this with, say, Kansas, where taxes were slashed, bare-bones style. Result? Huge deficits.

You fail to mention that there is so much wealth centered in California because the snobby elitist scumbags that live there only care about investing in their psuedo-liberal utopia and wouldn't even dare consider investing in "fly over" states that actually need it like Kansas or even say Michigan.  In other states, we also put a preference on allowing people access to their own earned income instead of using it to increase the dependency of those that don't want to work.

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Now, I think the soda tax might be a wee bit going too far, but hey, sugar can be as addictive as nicotine or alcohol, not to mention it can help to promote diabetes, which I have. For the sake of health, paying a tad more on a tax might just discourage enough people to cut back on taking in something that could affect their health. And I can't swim, nor do I want to...  :D

What you describe is the creation of a nanny state.  It's not the government's place to dictate behavior like diet.  If you need Big Brother to tell you to eat a balanced diet, you have problems, namely you still have the mental state of a child.  If you have diabetes for that reason, blame yourself and stop assuming others don't have self control and need a government baby sitter.  I've never seen anything more demeaning than people that actually support these Bloomberg-esque policies.  It's also a slippery slope that can never be stopped.  You'll go from that to a mayonnaise tax to government mandated exercise regiments, which I've actually seen suggested seriously on Democratic Underground.  It's just pure idiocy.

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...To answer just one parrt of your comment - As far as secession goes , do you remember all the people (especially in Texas) who went on and on about seceding during Obama,s terms ?
  If not , I,ll link to Web thiings about it .

Texas was also an independent nation that joined the United States voluntarily.


1-- the diet thing is rooted in public ignorance. Quack remedies, pseudoscience, anti-vaxx-quacks & the rest of it.
2--The East/West Coasts do need to invest. Name-calling wont attract anybody.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: ASS-P on January 30, 2017, 12:36:33 PM
...First , fatually , c
California was an indpendent country too !
  Seond , and all for now , ou seem to call for no govrm
nmment regulation or suggestion infod or environment but seem to knok on the door of suggestin forced investmet by private citizens in places you feel need more investmet .
  What about : the free marketplace vs. the nanny state : there ?
  As far as the Republican Party,s status in California , the Reps were contenders and there was a Republican Governor when I moved here i ,97 .
  Maybe the Califoria Republican Party did something wrong ?
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 30, 2017, 12:53:49 PM
Just checking. Anyone know how many pages back I have to go to find the posts about Sears/K-Mart?  ???
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Archiecomicxfan215 on January 30, 2017, 01:14:21 PM
Its in the middle of page 2 about Sears/Kmart
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: ASS-P on January 30, 2017, 02:14:26 PM
...I am doing this on a tablet , at this poit in a hospital waiting room ,
  Some mis-types were made , I hope yo can understand what I intended , it get,s hard to always retype ! :buck2:
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: SAGG on January 30, 2017, 05:31:06 PM
So I should invest in a state where they don't think much of me, AC? No thank you. I'll go where I'm wanted. There are plenty (more) of rich Republicans that can do just that in Kansas and other deep-red states. Why don't they get involved? Let them prove that all this tax-cutting on the rich works, the same for investing in America. So far, I haven't seen it doing too much. Yeah, some states like Florida and Texas don't pay state income taxes, but don't think for a second they don't bite you in the butt somewhere else. They WILL get their revenue. It's a scam for the demagogues... 
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on January 30, 2017, 06:38:27 PM
So I should invest in a state where they don't think much of me, AC? No thank you. I'll go where I'm wanted. There are plenty (more) of rich Republicans that can do just that in Kansas and other deep-red states. Why don't they get involved? Let them prove that all this tax-cutting on the rich works, the same for investing in America. So far, I haven't seen it doing too much. Yeah, some states like Florida and Texas don't pay state income taxes, but don't think for a second they don't bite you in the butt somewhere else. They WILL get their revenue. It's a scam for the demagogues...

I don't think you understand what I was saying.  For eight years, President Obama talked about the tech industry being the future of American employment to replace previous kinds of employment, and the tech industry was by and far his biggest supporters and campaign contributors.  The tech industry does indeed make a pile of money, and it has also never left one area of California.  The people that control it talk about the rest of America like this, explaining why they don't leave California:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/08/tech-company-founder-middle-america-is-a-shthole-filled-with-stupid-people/ (http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/08/tech-company-founder-middle-america-is-a-shthole-filled-with-stupid-people/)

Meanwhile under the leadership of previous administrations like Obama's, all gainful employment left everywhere else that isn't on a coast due to things like NAFTA and globalization redistributing that work to other countries who can pay workers peanuts.  So yeah, bragging that California balanced it's budget by taxing rich people unlike those terrible plains states that have no income shows a certain lack of self awareness that is pretty much a Californian trait imo. 

Californians also reacted to a bunch of blue states in Middle America rebelling against your party, not by asking why it happened, but by crying that the electoral college should be illegalized so California can determine every future election while at the same time calling everyone that lives outside California terrible bigoted racists even though they elected the African American spineless man of inaction twice.  So no, I don't have a problem with saying bad things about California.  Everyone that doesn't live on a coast hates the state's guts for very good reasons.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: steveinthecity on January 31, 2017, 01:45:39 AM
Has California not been wildly progressive in their politics the last few decades?  Holy Cow.  I hate everyone in Connecticut, by the way.  They just don't look like proper Americans to me.  They smirk sometimes in photos. Connecticut is full of communist sympathizers, by my account. They're probably all commies. Every last one of them. North Carolina is also on my list, as is Maryland.  I'm just getting warmed up. South Dakota better hope I don't look your way!
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: SAGG on January 31, 2017, 04:45:52 AM
So I should invest in a state where they don't think much of me, AC? No thank you. I'll go where I'm wanted. There are plenty (more) of rich Republicans that can do just that in Kansas and other deep-red states. Why don't they get involved? Let them prove that all this tax-cutting on the rich works, the same for investing in America. So far, I haven't seen it doing too much. Yeah, some states like Florida and Texas don't pay state income taxes, but don't think for a second they don't bite you in the butt somewhere else. They WILL get their revenue. It's a scam for the demagogues...

I don't think you understand what I was saying.  For eight years, President Obama talked about the tech industry being the future of American employment to replace previous kinds of employment, and the tech industry was by and far his biggest supporters and campaign contributors.  The tech industry does indeed make a pile of money, and it has also never left one area of California.  The people that control it talk about the rest of America like this, explaining why they don't leave California:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/08/tech-company-founder-middle-america-is-a-shthole-filled-with-stupid-people/ (http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/08/tech-company-founder-middle-america-is-a-shthole-filled-with-stupid-people/)

Meanwhile under the leadership of previous administrations like Obama's, all gainful employment left everywhere else that isn't on a coast due to things like NAFTA and globalization redistributing that work to other countries who can pay workers peanuts.  So yeah, bragging that California balanced it's budget by taxing rich people unlike those terrible plains states that have no income shows a certain lack of self awareness that is pretty much a Californian trait imo. 

Californians also reacted to a bunch of blue states in Middle America rebelling against your party, not by asking why it happened, but by crying that the electoral college should be illegalized so California can determine every future election while at the same time calling everyone that lives outside California terrible bigoted racists even though they elected the African American spineless man of inaction twice.  So no, I don't have a problem with saying bad things about California.  Everyone that doesn't live on a coast hates the state's guts for very good reasons.
Before you generally blame the Dems for NAFTA, don't forget that the Republicans share the blame for it, and some of them are just as "elitist". The Dems don't have the copyright on it. And President Obama did what he could, while the Republicans sat on their hands and did nothing, period, except be obstructionist. You see what you want to see, don't you, so it's pointless to take up this issue with you. DR's right. Let's get back to Sears/Kmart on this thread, and agree to disagree. Your call...
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on January 31, 2017, 05:58:12 AM
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Before you generally blame the Dems for NAFTA, don't forget that the Republicans share the blame for it, and some of them are just as "elitist". The Dems don't have the copyright on it. And President Obama did what he could, while the Republicans sat on their hands and did nothing, period, except be obstructionist. You see what you want to see, don't you, so it's pointless to take up this issue with you. DR's right. Let's get back to Sears/Kmart on this thread, and agree to disagree. Your call...

I'm not a Republican or a conservative.  You don't understand how out of touch the left is with people these days, so you're still going back to your binaries.  I don't think you realize what happened in the election at all honestly. 

As for NAFTA, it was the Clinton administration's fault, and people were still arrogant enough to put one of the policy wonks behind stealing everyone's jobs on the ballot.  You got the result unrestrained arrogance engenders. 

The left definitely has a market on elitism right now.  You are now represented by Marxist lunatics shouting at people about "white privilege."  The left is dead at this point.  What's left is some bizarre religion about virtue signalling to people on social media and places like California that are effectively a foreign country that thinks it will win back the people by having millionaire actors shout at them on television.   :2funny:

Obama didn't do jack.  He was an ineffectual coward.  Hell, his second term was pretty much one long lame duck session because he was hiding out in the White House hiding from congress like a wimp or outside the country half the time.  You can blame that on obstructionists, but the truth is he was an ideological hack with no people skills who couldn't work with a congress from an opposite party like other presidents like Clinton or Reagan did.  Also ISIS loves the guy considering his foreign policy decisions gave it the power vacuum to exist.


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Has California not been wildly progressive in their politics the last few decades?  Holy Cow.  I hate everyone in Connecticut, by the way.  They just don't look like proper Americans to me.  They smirk sometimes in photos. Connecticut is full of communist sympathizers, by my account. They're probably all commies. Every last one of them. North Carolina is also on my list, as is Maryland.  I'm just getting warmed up. South Dakota better hope I don't look your way!

How are you enjoying having your party's teeth kicked down its throat in an electoral landslide?   ;D   I'm loving it.   :smitten:   
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: SAGG on January 31, 2017, 06:44:31 AM
You must be a Trump Republican, then. It's okay, Trumpian.: These things go on in cycles. Your party will overreach, and you'll be back on the outside. Enjoy it--for now...
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 31, 2017, 11:14:56 AM
You must be a Trump Republican, then. It's okay, Trumpian.: These things go on in cycles. Your party will overreach, and you'll be back on the outside. Enjoy it--for now...

Indeed... much like the comic book marketplace. We can look forward to the post-New Riverdale cycle of Archie by the time Trump leaves the Oval Office.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on January 31, 2017, 05:42:12 PM
You must be a Trump Republican, then. It's okay, Trumpian.: These things go on in cycles. Your party will overreach, and you'll be back on the outside. Enjoy it--for now...

You have a problem with reading comprehension?  I said I wasn't a Republican.  You must feel really confused right now.   ;D   I don't think people on the left realize how much they poisoned their own party.  They let their grass roots radicalize to the point they are basically shark repellant to voters.  The fall out from that SJW, BLM, terrorists are the real victims, etc. stupidity isn't going be forgotten anytime soon, and they are still doubling down on it like the election never happened. Don't worry, I'm sure Nate Silver can lie about more polling data to make you feel better about it in the meantime.  Maybe he can make the Cubs win another World Series too.   ;D

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Indeed... much like the comic book marketplace. We can look forward to the post-New Riverdale cycle of Archie by the time Trump leaves the Oval Office.

Archie Comics won't exist in eight years.   ;D   
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 31, 2017, 08:56:55 PM
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Indeed... much like the comic book marketplace. We can look forward to the post-New Riverdale cycle of Archie by the time Trump leaves the Oval Office.

Archie Comics won't exist in eight years.   ;D

Well, it's quite possible (you might even say likely) that ARCHIE COMIC PUBLICATIONS won't exist in eight years. Or in four, which is pretty much what I meant by "post-New Riverdale". But where did I say it would? I highly doubt that would mean that Archie stories would cease to be printed by someone (probably not in the floppy comics format...). I'm okay with that idea.

PS - You think New Riverdale comics might last up to EIGHT years before putting ACP out of business?! That's almost as unlikely as Trump being re-elected.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on January 31, 2017, 11:22:26 PM
Well, it's quite possible (you might even say likely) that ARCHIE COMIC PUBLICATIONS won't exist in eight years. Or in four, which is pretty much what I meant by "post-New Riverdale". But where did I say it would? I highly doubt that would mean that Archie stories would cease to be printed by someone (probably not in the floppy comics format...). I'm okay with that idea.

PS - You think New Riverdale comics might last up to EIGHT years before putting ACP out of business?! That's almost as unlikely as Trump being re-elected.

Current management has depreciated the value of the product so much that I honestly don't even see a strong motive for another company to print Archie Comics honestly.  A ton of the digests go unsold from what I've heard, and a majority of that rack space isn't owned by nerds who sell comic books for a living.

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PS - You think New Riverdale comics might last up to EIGHT years before putting ACP out of business?!

Strawman based on nothing I said.

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That's almost as unlikely as Trump being re-elected.

Yeah, just as unlikely as him getting elected with the news propaganda outlets calling him literally Hitler for a year and pollsters over-sampling Democrats by absurd amounts to always put Hillary Clinton ahead.  Last three presidents got re-elected, and Democrats are so insanely stupid they decided to light cars on fire the first day of his presidency pretty much invalidating all of their arguments to background noise hysterics.  If you think it's really unlikely, I think you need to work harder on your critical thinking.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on January 31, 2017, 11:55:30 PM
I guess I'm supposed to feel insulted, but that would be predicated on me actually caring what you think.

Ooooh... let's play Internet Fight Club!
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: steveinthecity on February 01, 2017, 12:45:31 AM
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Before you generally blame the Dems for NAFTA, don't forget that the Republicans share the blame for it, and some of them are just as "elitist". The Dems don't have the copyright on it. And President Obama did what he could, while the Republicans sat on their hands and did nothing, period, except be obstructionist. You see what you want to see, don't you, so it's pointless to take up this issue with you. DR's right. Let's get back to Sears/Kmart on this thread, and agree to disagree. Your call...

I'm not a Republican or a conservative.  You don't understand how out of touch the left is with people these days, so you're still going back to your binaries.  I don't think you realize what happened in the election at all honestly. 

As for NAFTA, it was the Clinton administration's fault, and people were still arrogant enough to put one of the policy wonks behind stealing everyone's jobs on the ballot.  You got the result unrestrained arrogance engenders. 

The left definitely has a market on elitism right now.  You are now represented by Marxist lunatics shouting at people about "white privilege."  The left is dead at this point.  What's left is some bizarre religion about virtue signalling to people on social media and places like California that are effectively a foreign country that thinks it will win back the people by having millionaire actors shout at them on television.   :2funny:

Obama didn't do jack.  He was an ineffectual coward.  Hell, his second term was pretty much one long lame duck session because he was hiding out in the White House hiding from congress like a wimp or outside the country half the time.  You can blame that on obstructionists, but the truth is he was an ideological hack with no people skills who couldn't work with a congress from an opposite party like other presidents like Clinton or Reagan did.  Also ISIS loves the guy considering his foreign policy decisions gave it the power vacuum to exist.


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Has California not been wildly progressive in their politics the last few decades?  Holy Cow.  I hate everyone in Connecticut, by the way.  They just don't look like proper Americans to me.  They smirk sometimes in photos. Connecticut is full of communist sympathizers, by my account. They're probably all commies. Every last one of them. North Carolina is also on my list, as is Maryland.  I'm just getting warmed up. South Dakota better hope I don't look your way!

How are you enjoying having your party's teeth kicked down its throat in an electoral landslide?   ;D   I'm loving it.   :smitten:
Exactly what party is that?  Hopefully it's one with a proper stock of full to the brim red Solo cups. How is it you enjoy excoriating or bearing such malice towards large swaths of people? You must be from South Dakota.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on February 01, 2017, 02:54:38 AM
I guess I'm supposed to feel insulted, but that would be predicated on me actually caring what you think.

Ooooh... let's play Internet Fight Club!

Let's go over this again maybe.  Trump just won one of the most significant electoral landslides in history when all the know-it-alls said it was impossible, and you just said him getting re-elected was impossible because of reasons I guess.  Then I said you need to work on your critical thinking because that's an illogical conclusion, and you reply that's an insult, with no retort to my point at all.

If you want an insult.  Here's a good one.  Just because you routinely type walls of endless text here does not mean you're intelligent.  It's actually pretty annoying, and you barely if ever have a good point to make because you're a pretentious blowhard.   ;D   

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Exactly what party is that?  Hopefully it's one with a proper stock of full to the brim red Solo cups. How is it you enjoy excoriating or bearing such malice towards large swaths of people? You must be from South Dakota.

More witless butt hurt.   ;D Yes, you've made me feel so bad about being raycis against commiefornians, and I'm totally not laughing about how mad you are right now.   :2funny:   I'll leave you to your autistic lolcow K-Mart thread now.   :2funny:
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Captain Jetpack on February 01, 2017, 08:28:15 AM
Ya know, I can get politics anywhere.
How bout a little more Archie-centric discussion?
Please? ::)
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on February 01, 2017, 01:32:25 PM
Regardless of if you like President Trump or not, the fact of the matter is he is now the President for the next 4 (or maybe 8?) years. How about supporting him and the country? Because all the rioting and whining from the liberals is only hurting the country. All the hate that the liberals said was coming from Trump and his supporters, is actually coming from the left side. They have shown such tremendous hate and ignorance and stubbornness and all that is only dividing the country more than it already is. Let's come together as a country again, put on our big-boy pants and support America instead of crying and wearing safety pins and other nonsense. My two cents. I don't mean to be mean but it is annoying watching all the constant whining from the ones who lost. Anyway, let's get back to Kmart  :)
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on February 01, 2017, 04:16:29 PM
Regardless of if you like President Trump or not, the fact of the matter is he is now the President for the next 4 (or maybe 8?) years. How about supporting him and the country? Because all the rioting and whining from the liberals is only hurting the country. All the hate that the liberals said was coming from Trump and his supporters, is actually coming from the left side. They have shown such tremendous hate and ignorance and stubbornness and all that is only dividing the country more than it already is. Let's come together as a country again, put on our big-boy pants and support America instead of crying and wearing safety pins and other nonsense. My two cents. I don't mean to be mean but it is annoying watching all the constant whining from the ones who lost. Anyway, let's get back to Kmart  :)

Absolutely.  Trump supporters can't even go to places like L.A. without being physically attacked, and when they were attacked, often times on video, the absurdly non-objective in the tank media decided not to cover it.  How is anyone supposed to respect the left when they act like that and have liars in the news protecting them?  Heck, the riot at the Chicago Trump rally was planned by Democratic operatives who admitted it on video.  The video was released to the media, and still jokers like CNN refused to cover it.  Then a few slime balls torture someone they say is a Trump supporter on video, and after CNN is forced to cover it because it went viral, Don Lemon says they aren't evil and suggests they are probably good kids.  XD

It's what happens when you feed stupid kids Marxist revolutionary rhetoric uniornically.  They start thinking violence that is politically motivated is acceptable.  The ends justify the means to them, and people that disagree are the enemy.  That's where we are with the left is right now. The sad thing is the politicians, the grass roots and even average card carrying Democrats, of which I used to be one (but never again), will never ever say anything against their own kind ever.  They can attack people, torture them, demean people, discriminate, act like adult babies throwing tantrums, and never will they ever be policed by their own people or held responsible for their actions.

As for Steve so upset I poked fun at California, the left and the Democrats didn't give a rat's ass about the Rust Belt for the past 30 years.  Their trade policies destroyed the place and never once did I hear any of them ever admit there was a problem or say anything in favor of the workers who lost their factories to globalization.  They probably care more about the Syrian refugees who took place in gang rape attacks in places like Cologne, Germany than they do about our own citizens who live outside their communities.  So yeah, good luck ever getting our votes back again.  The fact you don't care about us was made explicitly clear due to your reaction to the election results.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on February 01, 2017, 09:03:24 PM
Regardless of if you like President Trump or not, the fact of the matter is he is now the President for the next 4 (or maybe 8?) years. How about supporting him and the country?

I think I'll just try my best to ignore him. Just because he's president doesn't mean I have to be happy about it, but then I wasn't going to be happy about it if Hilary won. I'm not 'whining', but I'm not happy either.

Same applies to Mike Pellerito. He's got the job, but that doesn't mean he's always right. If I disagree with his agenda, I have a right to say so.

But yeah, pretty bored with the politics already.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on February 03, 2017, 06:08:19 PM
Regardless of if you like President Trump or not, the fact of the matter is he is now the President for the next 4 (or maybe 8?) years. How about supporting him and the country?

I think I'll just try my best to ignore him. Just because he's president doesn't mean I have to be happy about it, but then I wasn't going to be happy about it if Hilary won. I'm not 'whining', but I'm not happy either.

Same applies to Mike Pellerito. He's got the job, but that doesn't mean he's always right. If I disagree with his agenda, I have a right to say so.

But yeah, pretty bored with the politics already.


Yeah, I get it. And btw, I didn't mean to say you (or anyone else on this forum, for that matter) were whining. I meant all those liberals that are out there protesting....wait, let's me cross that out because they are not liberals anymore, they have become extremists, fanatics, terrorists and they aren't protesting they are rioting.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on February 03, 2017, 06:10:39 PM
Regardless of if you like President Trump or not, the fact of the matter is he is now the President for the next 4 (or maybe 8?) years. How about supporting him and the country? Because all the rioting and whining from the liberals is only hurting the country. All the hate that the liberals said was coming from Trump and his supporters, is actually coming from the left side. They have shown such tremendous hate and ignorance and stubbornness and all that is only dividing the country more than it already is. Let's come together as a country again, put on our big-boy pants and support America instead of crying and wearing safety pins and other nonsense. My two cents. I don't mean to be mean but it is annoying watching all the constant whining from the ones who lost. Anyway, let's get back to Kmart  :)

Absolutely.  Trump supporters can't even go to places like L.A. without being physically attacked, and when they were attacked, often times on video, the absurdly non-objective in the tank media decided not to cover it.  How is anyone supposed to respect the left when they act like that and have liars in the news protecting them?  Heck, the riot at the Chicago Trump rally was planned by Democratic operatives who admitted it on video.  The video was released to the media, and still jokers like CNN refused to cover it.  Then a few slime balls torture someone they say is a Trump supporter on video, and after CNN is forced to cover it because it went viral, Don Lemon says they aren't evil and suggests they are probably good kids.  XD

It's what happens when you feed stupid kids Marxist revolutionary rhetoric uniornically.  They start thinking violence that is politically motivated is acceptable.  The ends justify the means to them, and people that disagree are the enemy.  That's where we are with the left is right now. The sad thing is the politicians, the grass roots and even average card carrying Democrats, of which I used to be one (but never again), will never ever say anything against their own kind ever.  They can attack people, torture them, demean people, discriminate, act like adult babies throwing tantrums, and never will they ever be policed by their own people or held responsible for their actions.

As for Steve so upset I poked fun at California, the left and the Democrats didn't give a rat's ass about the Rust Belt for the past 30 years.  Their trade policies destroyed the place and never once did I hear any of them ever admit there was a problem or say anything in favor of the workers who lost their factories to globalization.  They probably care more about the Syrian refugees who took place in gang rape attacks in places like Cologne, Germany than they do about our own citizens who live outside their communities.  So yeah, good luck ever getting our votes back again.  The fact you don't care about us was made explicitly clear due to your reaction to the election results.


We simply cannot trust in the media anymore. Bunch of liars.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on February 03, 2017, 11:26:41 PM
We simply cannot trust in the media anymore. Bunch of liars.

Absolutely.

About California being a festering communist crap hole, recently at UC Berkely, liberal protestors tried to murder people at a speech by Milo Yiannopoulos, an extremely gay ethnic Jew, because SHOCKER he has conservative views and criticizes political correctness.  For that they labeled him a Nazi and attacked his speech by starting a riot, destroying their student union, burning down part of the campus, pepper spraying a woman wearing a Trump hat in the face and beating a supporter of Milo's in the head with a pipe so badly he almost died on the street.  Milo had to be rushed out the building because people broke into it with the intent to kill him.  The mayor of Berkeley told the police to stand down and cried about Milo being a bad guy during the riot on Twitter.  The police did nothing to stop the riot.

California is so incredibly biased that you can't be queer and disagree with liberals anymore or Californians will try to murder you.  This is what most people outside the state now see when they think of California:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3oJ5OeUEAE1ENZ.jpg)

So I ask you SAGG and SteveintheCity, why should I kiss your state's ass when treating people who disagree with the left like that is now common place?  Why do you have no awareness about how your state is perceived by outsiders?  That's not an isolated incident, there's plenty more examples over the course of the past year to choose from (btw, expecting silence here, especially from StevieintheCity).
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on February 05, 2017, 10:59:19 PM
^ The sad thing is that the liberals do not care. In fact they were applauding what happened at Berkeley. Those terrorists- because that's what they are- destroyed property, burned things, beat people up all in the name of "free speech and love" and no one batted an eye. Even the police did nothing to stop the destruction. Unbelievable. This really should have been a wake up call for the left side, but nope, they are so blind with their hatred they don't want to see.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on February 06, 2017, 01:05:26 AM
^ The sad thing is that the liberals do not care. In fact they were applauding what happened at Berkeley. Those terrorists- because that's what they are- destroyed property, burned things, beat people up all in the name of "free speech and love" and no one batted an eye. Even the police did nothing to stop the destruction. Unbelievable. This really should have been a wake up call for the left side, but nope, they are so blind with their hatred they don't want to see.

A wake up call for who? If the police did nothing, does that imply that they're all liberal terrorists too, at least passively? Or maybe they needed to follow orders from the Police Commissioner or something -- which I guess makes him a suspect as a pawn of the left wing. But possibly it was a tense situation where if the police took action, they risked touching off a powder keg of escalating violence. There have always been radical extremists, but they're not conscripts in some sort of Liberal Army that can be court-martialed. They're acting on their own, not following some sinister liberal conspiracy master plan. Maybe they'll become the new cliche comic book villains, replacing the 'crazy as a bag of cats' right-wing conservative nutcases. It could happen. I'm sure I've probably already read a dozen stories with radical eco-terrorists, so it probably will. And yes, you will have some people who would never act on it, but will cheer them on, just like there were people saying "Nuke Iraq!" after 9/11.

I guess it's probably just easier to divide all people into a Red Team and a Blue Team, and make sure they always wear their uniforms so we can all tell each other apart and know who's the enemy. And if someone refuses to wear the uniform and show team spirit, then they must be a player for the opposite team, so you know you can't trust them. That's just a mental exercise in visualization, but what really happens is that people latch onto a word for identifying the enemy, and then proceed to start rubber-stamping everyone with one name or the other (purely for the purposes of keeping the Bad Guys sorted out). If you're doing it, then you can guarantee someone else is doing it to you. We don't need no stinking badges. It is amazingly difficult to be a terrorist or even a radical without an ideology. Even an anarchist has an implied ideology, whether he'll admit to it or not. Just accept the fact that the minute you start sorting people into lists of USes and THEMs, you become part of the problem, not part of the solution. Is it any wonder I hate politics?

True story: The Pledge of Allegiance was changed in the 1950s to include the words "One nation, under God" in the hopes that it would help root out Communists in our midst. Because it's a well known fact that all Communists are Atheists, and thus it was assumed the reverse also applied. I'm not really sure if the intended effect was more along the lines of spontaneous human combustion or just a bad actor being dumbstruck in the middle of a performance.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on February 06, 2017, 02:36:40 AM
^ The sad thing is that the liberals do not care. In fact they were applauding what happened at Berkeley. Those terrorists- because that's what they are- destroyed property, burned things, beat people up all in the name of "free speech and love" and no one batted an eye. Even the police did nothing to stop the destruction. Unbelievable. This really should have been a wake up call for the left side, but nope, they are so blind with their hatred they don't want to see.

A wake up call for who? If the police did nothing, does that imply that they're all liberal terrorists too, at least passively? Or maybe they needed to follow orders from the Police Commissioner or something -- which I guess makes him a suspect as a pawn of the left wing. But possibly it was a tense situation where if the police took action, they risked touching off a powder keg of escalating violence. There have always been radical extremists, but they're not conscripts in some sort of Liberal Army that can be court-martialed. They're acting on their own, not following some sinister liberal conspiracy master plan. Maybe they'll become the new cliche comic book villains, replacing the 'crazy as a bag of cats' right-wing conservative nutcases. It could happen. I'm sure I've probably already read a dozen stories with radical eco-terrorists, so it probably will. And yes, you will have some people who would never act on it, but will cheer them on, just like there were people saying "Nuke Iraq!" after 9/11.

I guess it's probably just easier to divide all people into a Red Team and a Blue Team, and make sure they always wear their uniforms so we can all tell each other apart and know who's the enemy. And if someone refuses to wear the uniform and show team spirit, then they must be a player for the opposite team, so you know you can't trust them. That's just a mental exercise in visualization, but what really happens is that people latch onto a word for identifying the enemy, and then proceed to start rubber-stamping everyone with one name or the other (purely for the purposes of keeping the Bad Guys sorted out). If you're doing it, then you can guarantee someone else is doing it to you. We don't need no stinking badges. It is amazingly difficult to be a terrorist or even a radical without an ideology. Even an anarchist has an implied ideology, whether he'll admit to it or not. Just accept the fact that the minute you start sorting people into lists of USes and THEMs, you become part of the problem, not part of the solution. Is it any wonder I hate politics?

True story: The Pledge of Allegiance was changed in the 1950s to include the words "One nation, under God" in the hopes that it would help root out Communists in our midst. Because it's a well known fact that all Communists are Atheists, and thus it was assumed the reverse also applied. I'm not really sure if the intended effect was more along the lines of spontaneous human combustion or just a bad actor being dumbstruck in the middle of a performance.

Oh boy, a trademark DeCarlo Rules post that says so much yet absolutely nothing at the same time.  Thanks for following through when I criticized you for that kind of thing earlier in the thread.   ;D

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But possibly it was a tense situation where if the police took action, they risked touching off a powder keg of escalating violence.

It was already an exploded powder keg of escalating violence.  The police did nothing to protect those people and businesses that were attacked.  People like you are part of the problem honestly.  You're presented with evidence of wrong doing by your side and all you can do is deflect, deflect, deflect, and then fall back on some cliche about anyone complaining being a partisan.  What a joke.  I've witnessed the left completely destroy itself in about 5 years time, and yet no one wants to address the problem.  Kids have been brain washed to the point they think that it's okay to physically attack people over perceived social justice issues, and all the left can do is ignore the problem like nothing happened.  It's beyond absurd at this point.  You talk about teams, but if anyone on the right did anything even approaching this it would be like World War III in the media.  Yet, you don't perceive any bias.   ::)
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on February 08, 2017, 06:59:11 PM
Time for an update!   ;D

About Commiefornia being an ideological dystopia, there was an update about the UC Berkeley riot at Milo's speech.  Remember when I mentioned the Milo fan who was almost beaten to death and left in the street to die.  Well, when that happened, information was circulated online that the scumbag who did that beating was actually an employee of UC Berkeley, namely because he bragged about it online.  That has now been backed up by an independent news source that also revealed this is being investigated by the FBI:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/uc-berkeley-thug-beat-conservative-bragged-online-university-staff-member/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/uc-berkeley-thug-beat-conservative-bragged-online-university-staff-member/)

Explain this one, guys.  How is this school system redeemable?  Why in the blue hell should this crappy school in this whackjob state receive federal funds?
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: steveinthecity on February 09, 2017, 02:39:45 AM
We simply cannot trust in the media anymore. Bunch of liars.

Absolutely.

About California being a festering communist crap hole, recently at UC Berkely, liberal protestors tried to murder people at a speech by Milo Yiannopoulos, an extremely gay ethnic Jew, because SHOCKER he has conservative views and criticizes political correctness.  For that they labeled him a Nazi and attacked his speech by starting a riot, destroying their student union, burning down part of the campus, pepper spraying a woman wearing a Trump hat in the face and beating a supporter of Milo's in the head with a pipe so badly he almost died on the street.  Milo had to be rushed out the building because people broke into it with the intent to kill him.  The mayor of Berkeley told the police to stand down and cried about Milo being a bad guy during the riot on Twitter.  The police did nothing to stop the riot.

California is so incredibly biased that you can't be queer and disagree with liberals anymore or Californians will try to murder you.  This is what most people outside the state now see when they think of California:

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So I ask you SAGG and SteveintheCity, why should I kiss your state's ass when treating people who disagree with the left like that is now common place?  Why do you have no awareness about how your state is perceived by outsiders?  That's not an isolated incident, there's plenty more examples over the course of the past year to choose from (btw, expecting silence here, especially from StevieintheCity).
I completely understand how the state is perceived at least through my reading and viewing of national news. That sort of thing obviosly doesn't get by me. And no need to "kiss any State's (derriere)", I'm just wondering why the need for such a gross generalization of a populace?  I'm not sure I understand how California, NY, TX. FL, PA, etc. would have harmed the country as a whole through policies that they as individual States have every right to enact?


As for the whole Milo thing, my understanding is he was going to speak in front of 100 or so students, but social media exploded with that news and everybody rushed in to throw fuel on the fire.  Nothing of any consequence would have happened if not for "SnapFace" or whatever the relevant, informed portion of the public is into as a social media source that motivated hundreds or even thousands of others to get involved in a measure of protest.


   ;)
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on February 10, 2017, 12:15:04 AM
Oh boy, no more sarcasm.  Well, I guess I made my point well enough if you have to actually respond now.

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I completely understand how the state is perceived at least through my reading and viewing of national news.

The national news is pretty much owned by the left at this point to the level where it's beyond self-parody.  Remember this one that was plastered all over the media?

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If you're relying on the national news for what people think about California, than surely you are completely in the dark.

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I'm just wondering why the need for such a gross generalization of a populace?

Because it's true, and pointing out the truth makes you uncomfrotable for some reason.  If you have an issue with me ripping on Commiefornia, you may as well be defending Sweden or something.  The state is that far off the reservation.

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I'm not sure I understand how California, NY, TX. FL, PA, etc. would have harmed the country as a whole through policies that they as individual States have every right to enact?

This is where the unawareness comes into play.  California is already harming the rest of the country through policies that your state shouldn't have the right to enact in defiance of the federal government.  Your pro-illegal immigration stance has lead to the cartel backed drug trade and gang violence being exported to the rest of the states.  That's a fact.  People have died and are dying over your state's absurd white guilt nonsense.

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As for the whole Milo thing, my understanding is he was going to speak in front of 100 or so students, but social media exploded with that news and everybody rushed in to throw fuel on the fire.  Nothing of any consequence would have happened if not for "SnapFace" or whatever the relevant, informed portion of the public is into as a social media source that motivated hundreds or even thousands of others to get involved in a measure of protest.

First, you're ignoring the last post I made.  The most violent person in that "protest" (which is code for riot in California now I guess) was an employee of the school.  Explain that one.  You're also referring to it as a protest.  What part of peaceful protest involves bashing in windows of businesses and attacking ATM machines?  What part of protest involves a liberal man pepper spraying a conservative woman in the face over politics?  What part of a protest involves clubbing people with pipes?  Come on, Steve, tell me how that's a "protest" and not just political fueled criminality.  Why should I ever trust the left again when even people like you have to deflect and defend that kind of crap?

And the fact social media was involved is not a counter-point of any kind.  These were your citizens, your students, these were liberals who got away with almost killing people and destroying property because places like Berkely place their BS Marxist hypocrisy over other people's rights now.

I've followed Milo for a long time now.  His main shtick is criticizing political correctness and social justice warriors in a funny and mocking way.  He's not calling for violent over throw of the government like the left is right now every day, even with millionaire celebrities like Sarah Silverman.  His shtick is pretty freaking tame honestly.  So why does the left want to kill him and is still advocating for violence against this flamboyant man?  Why did he have to hire a security detail of ex-marines that whisked him out of a building at a California university becuase rioters broke into the building with the intent of physically attacking him? 

It's because he's unabashedly queer, and the fact he doesn't agree with leftist garbage anymore like a lot of us do means he should be killed I guess.  The left treats minorities like slaves.  No independent thought allowed.  You have to be a one issue voter and suck up to the left on every ridiculous insane whim they have like let's say placing the biggest institutional killers of LGBT on the face of the Earth on a pedestal free from any kind of criticism.  No thanks.

It's a joke. The left is a joke right now, and the echo chamber it created in which anyone who disagrees is cast as a monster even to the point a gay ethnic Jew is called a "Nazi" is making it unhinged.  The left is going to continue to go down in flames if people don't reign in the grassroots they allowed to get radicalized to this point.  California is certainly ground zero for that right now.  So yeah, California deserves its fair share of blame.  People on the left also referred to us as "fly over country" for 8 years in favor of your state and the like minded tech industry that funds your politicians.  Of course we don't like you anymore.  We're not stupid.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: steveinthecity on February 10, 2017, 03:13:00 AM

Oh boy, no more sarcasm.  Well, I guess I made my point well enough if you have to actually respond now.
I responded out of courtesy.  You brought my name into a conversation in a manner that didn't seem as merely rhetorical or as a "for instance" and included me as a reference point.

My apologies if what came across as sarcasm was viewed negatively.  Rest assured I pretty much say nothing that comes from an intent of being mean spirited.  Silliness, is more likely.  I'm not even sure what I've ever said on the boards that would draw me into this conversation.  I'm not even sure what the conversation is about to be honest.   I'm guilty of something nefarious apparently, and I should be brought to task. :P 

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I completely understand how the state is perceived at least through my reading and viewing of national news.


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The national news is pretty much owned by the left at this point to the level where it's self-parody.  Remember this one that was plastered all over the media?

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Where should I get my news?  I'm all over.  Random stations I pull up on Stitcher to BBC to whatever I come across.  I enjoy hearing a variety of perspectives. 

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Come on, Steve, tell me how that's a "protest" and not just political fueled criminality.

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It is absolutely politicall fueled criminality, I don't think I said it wasn't.  I was more thinking along the lines that if Milo spoke to the hundred or so attendees at his talk, this never would have made news or caused the disruption to businesses and the community nearby. I was more advocating free speech and disparaging the way some social media devotees turned the whole scenario into a circus.

I still stand by my statement that I very much enjoyed the Sears "Wish Book" as a kid.  Great fodder for daydreaming that was.


My apologies for the "quote fails". I'm just not up to this as I don't even know ultimately what we're supposed to be debating or discussing. 
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on February 10, 2017, 06:03:29 AM
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I responded out of courtesy.  You brought my name into a conversation in a manner that didn't seem as merely rhetorical or as a "for instance" and included me as a reference point.


Oh yeah, after you tried mocking me multiple times with your 90 year old grandma tier wit.  You sure were on a high road then.   ;D   I referenced you because of your massive and completely transparent butt hurt.  And now that you're forced to respond to my points without your attempts at snide one liners, you're pretending to not know what we're talking about.  Wew.   ;D

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It is absolutely politicall fueled criminality, I don't think I said it wasn't.  I was more thinking along the lines that if Milo spoke to the hundred or so attendees at his talk, this never would have made news or caused the disruption to businesses and the community nearby. I was more advocating free speech and disparaging the way some social media devotees turned the whole scenario into a circus.


He didn't get a chance to talk because your fellow "tolerant" Commiefornians tried to kill him.  One of them was a 40 something year old man that worked for the school, the one who almost bludgeoned someone to death.  This happened because of the political climate the left has fostered in your state.  Notice how students at Indiana University aren't trying to kill people.  This was the left, and it was exacerbated even more by how absurdly Marxist California is with its indoctrination of people.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on February 10, 2017, 08:45:29 PM

As for the whole Milo thing, my understanding is he was going to speak in front of 100 or so students, but social media exploded with that news and everybody rushed in to throw fuel on the fire.  Nothing of any consequence would have happened if not for "SnapFace" or whatever the relevant, informed portion of the public is into as a social media source that motivated hundreds or even thousands of others to get involved in a measure of protest.


So then social media is to blame for the riots and violence and hatred?? Typical, that they blame everything but themselves. They blame Russia, they blame this and that and now apparently they blame social media  ;D  This is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: 60sBettyandReggie on February 10, 2017, 09:02:12 PM
^ The sad thing is that the liberals do not care. In fact they were applauding what happened at Berkeley. Those terrorists- because that's what they are- destroyed property, burned things, beat people up all in the name of "free speech and love" and no one batted an eye. Even the police did nothing to stop the destruction. Unbelievable. This really should have been a wake up call for the left side, but nope, they are so blind with their hatred they don't want to see.

A wake up call for who? If the police did nothing, does that imply that they're all liberal terrorists too, at least passively? Or maybe they needed to follow orders from the Police Commissioner or something -- which I guess makes him a suspect as a pawn of the left wing. But possibly it was a tense situation where if the police took action, they risked touching off a powder keg of escalating violence. There have always been radical extremists, but they're not conscripts in some sort of Liberal Army that can be court-martialed. They're acting on their own, not following some sinister liberal conspiracy master plan. Maybe they'll become the new cliche comic book villains, replacing the 'crazy as a bag of cats' right-wing conservative nutcases. It could happen. I'm sure I've probably already read a dozen stories with radical eco-terrorists, so it probably will. And yes, you will have some people who would never act on it, but will cheer them on, just like there were people saying "Nuke Iraq!" after 9/11.

I guess it's probably just easier to divide all people into a Red Team and a Blue Team, and make sure they always wear their uniforms so we can all tell each other apart and know who's the enemy. And if someone refuses to wear the uniform and show team spirit, then they must be a player for the opposite team, so you know you can't trust them. That's just a mental exercise in visualization, but what really happens is that people latch onto a word for identifying the enemy, and then proceed to start rubber-stamping everyone with one name or the other (purely for the purposes of keeping the Bad Guys sorted out). If you're doing it, then you can guarantee someone else is doing it to you. We don't need no stinking badges. It is amazingly difficult to be a terrorist or even a radical without an ideology. Even an anarchist has an implied ideology, whether he'll admit to it or not. Just accept the fact that the minute you start sorting people into lists of USes and THEMs, you become part of the problem, not part of the solution. Is it any wonder I hate politics?

True story: The Pledge of Allegiance was changed in the 1950s to include the words "One nation, under God" in the hopes that it would help root out Communists in our midst. Because it's a well known fact that all Communists are Atheists, and thus it was assumed the reverse also applied. I'm not really sure if the intended effect was more along the lines of spontaneous human combustion or just a bad actor being dumbstruck in the middle of a performance.


"A wake up call for who?" Oy, Seriously?Like I said, people are blind. They just don't want to see.
 And when should the police take action then? They need to wait until someone dies? How many need to die before they intervene 1, 2, 10?? 
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on February 11, 2017, 12:47:42 AM
"A wake up call for who?" Oy, Seriously?Like I said, people are blind. They just don't want to see.
 And when should the police take action then? They need to wait until someone dies? How many need to die before they intervene 1, 2, 10??

I don't know why the police didn't take action. I mentioned a few guesses, but that's all they were. I wasn't there, and have no insider knowledge of police procedure. You tell me why, or why you think they didn't.

You seem to be hinting at some obvious solution, but you don't really say what it is. Maybe some mistakes were made, and I'm sure the police have already done a post-situational analysis. No amount of "should haves" at this point changes anything that happened.

I get that you're angry and that you blame "the liberals" for... well, whatever.  Maybe you're just venting, I don't know, but I don't see where anger really leads to any real solutions to problems. Isn't that exactly what got the demonstrators into trouble? Just a bunch of anger with no constructive solutions.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on February 11, 2017, 02:44:25 AM
"A wake up call for who?" Oy, Seriously?Like I said, people are blind. They just don't want to see.
 And when should the police take action then? They need to wait until someone dies? How many need to die before they intervene 1, 2, 10??

I don't know why the police didn't take action. I mentioned a few guesses, but that's all they were. I wasn't there, and have no insider knowledge of police procedure. You tell me why, or why you think they didn't.

Do you have reading comprehension problems?  I already said multiple times the mayor, who was an anti-Milo SJW whining about him on Twitter around the time of the riot, told the police to stand down.  If you can't see bias in that situation, yeah, you're dumb.

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You seem to be hinting at some obvious solution, but you don't really say what it is.

Well it could start with people on the left stop being hypocritical asshats who throw fits over things like the 1st amendment and then put on masks to start terrorizing voters after they lose a fair election.  Also perhaps the people who have slithered their way into power in academia and the media could stop giving these scumbags a pass and enabling them with rhetoric and ideology that brain washes them into thinking this is acceptable behavior.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: steveinthecity on February 12, 2017, 02:08:08 AM

As for the whole Milo thing, my understanding is he was going to speak in front of 100 or so students, but social media exploded with that news and everybody rushed in to throw fuel on the fire.  Nothing of any consequence would have happened if not for "SnapFace" or whatever the relevant, informed portion of the public is into as a social media source that motivated hundreds or even thousands of others to get involved in a measure of protest.


So then social media is to blame for the riots and violence and hatred?? Typical, that they blame everything but themselves. They blame Russia, they blame this and that and now apparently they blame social media  ;D  This is ridiculous.
No, it's not social media per se, that's just an avenue that rabble rousers or potential pot stirrers use imo to find the next target.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: steveinthecity on February 12, 2017, 02:16:10 AM

As for the whole Milo thing, my understanding is he was going to speak in front of 100 or so students, but social media exploded with that news and everybody rushed in to throw fuel on the fire.  Nothing of any consequence would have happened if not for "SnapFace" or whatever the relevant, informed portion of the public is into as a social media source that motivated hundreds or even thousands of others to get involved in a measure of protest.


So then social media is to blame for the riots and violence and hatred?? Typical, that they blame everything but themselves. They blame Russia, they blame this and that and now apparently they blame social media  ;D  This is ridiculous.
No.  Of course everything comes down to the individual and points back to my concern regarding any gross generalizations.




Also, I've certainly never "mocked" you by the way.  I might have Granny style wit, but I'm thinking you're confusing me with someone else. 


Why would I mock or have an issue with you to begin with?  This whole exchange baffles me, for real.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: steveinthecity on February 12, 2017, 02:30:08 AM
The last two responses are for Alexandra Cabot.


I don't even know how I got drug into this.  Please point me to the posts I made that caused this to happpen. Anyone.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on February 12, 2017, 03:19:55 AM
Also, I've certainly never "mocked" you by the way.  I might have Granny style wit, but I'm thinking you're confusing me with someone else. 


Why would I mock or have an issue with you to begin with?  This whole exchange baffles me, for real.
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I don't even know how I got drug into this.  Please point me to the posts I made that caused this to happpen. Anyone.

Okay sure thing, Steve:

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Has California not been wildly progressive in their politics the last few decades?  Holy Cow.  I hate everyone in Connecticut, by the way.  They just don't look like proper Americans to me.  They smirk sometimes in photos. Connecticut is full of communist sympathizers, by my account. They're probably all commies. Every last one of them. North Carolina is also on my list, as is Maryland.  I'm just getting warmed up. South Dakota better hope I don't look your way!

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Exactly what party is that?  Hopefully it's one with a proper stock of full to the brim red Solo cups. How is it you enjoy excoriating or bearing such malice towards large swaths of people? You must be from South Dakota.

Sarcastic ass comments directed at me, mocking what I said.  These were your first comments in this discussion chain.  So can you please stop with "duh I didn't say these things I said a few pages back, why was I referenced, it's a mystery duhhhh" debate style and leave it in the internet of 2002.  It's pathetic.

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No.  Of course everything comes down to the individual and points back to my concern regarding any gross generalizations.
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No, it's not social media per se, that's just an avenue that rabble rousers or potential pot stirrers use imo to find the next target.

The left has gone completely off the rails.  If you don't think so, I really think you're completely out of touch honestly.  Anyone who has been paying attention for the past several years let alone the past few months should know that it's the truth.  And card carrying Democrats and the left in general DESERVE the blame, because they won't reel in the stupidity going on in the grass roots.  It's disgusting.  But I guess one electoral rebuke isn't enough to learn the lesson yet.  It's going to take two or three more national elections it seems.  Calling these people isolated incidents is false.  They're just living out the rhetoric that has been everywhere the left talks for the past five years.  This Frankenstein Monster didn't create itself.  It's this Marxist, revolutionary, identity politics BS manifesting itself to its logical conclusion.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: steveinthecity on February 12, 2017, 01:42:09 PM
Also, I've certainly never "mocked" you by the way.  I might have Granny style wit, but I'm thinking you're confusing me with someone else. 


Why would I mock or have an issue with you to begin with?  This whole exchange baffles me, for real.
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I don't even know how I got drug into this.  Please point me to the posts I made that caused this to happpen. Anyone.

Okay sure thing, Steve:

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Has California not been wildly progressive in their politics the last few decades?  Holy Cow.  I hate everyone in Connecticut, by the way.  They just don't look like proper Americans to me.  They smirk sometimes in photos. Connecticut is full of communist sympathizers, by my account. They're probably all commies. Every last one of them. North Carolina is also on my list, as is Maryland.  I'm just getting warmed up. South Dakota better hope I don't look your way!

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Exactly what party is that?  Hopefully it's one with a proper stock of full to the brim red Solo cups. How is it you enjoy excoriating or bearing such malice towards large swaths of people? You must be from South Dakota.

Sarcastic ass comments directed at me, mocking what I said.  These were your first comments in this discussion chain.  So can you please stop with "duh I didn't say these things I said a few pages back, why was I referenced, it's a mystery duhhhh" debate style and leave it in the internet of 2002. 
This is entirely incorrect.  I have no issue with you, nor would I mock you. Like, ever, that I can imagine.

If it's my South Dakota comment, I apologize. It was meant as silliness.




Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on February 12, 2017, 06:30:22 PM
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This is entirely incorrect.  I have no issue with you, nor would I mock you. Like, ever, that I can imagine.

If it's my South Dakota comment, I apologize. It was meant as silliness.


Yeah, I copy/pasted quotes, you can stop the weak gaslighting now and stick it up your keister.  (btw, I never told you to stick anything up your keister, stop being silly, I would never say anything like that to you   :P ).  BTW, I know you're a Democrat because I've been reading this forum since before all the posts disappeared.

Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: irishmoxie on February 12, 2017, 07:42:23 PM
Enough with the boring politics talk. Speaking of the downfall of Kmart, this guy made one about Target in Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXYR69UhxI


I hope he makes one about Sears when the time comes.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: VintageJon on February 13, 2017, 01:53:52 PM
The whole Target launch up here was a complete Fiasco.  They lasted about a year. They grossly misunderstood what consumers here would want (we wanted an exact copy of the US stores, pricing included).   Instead, we were treated to half empty shelves and inflated prices. The parent company gave no time for the operation to become profitable.


Thousands lost jobs and most of the stores just stand empty now.  The retail landscape in Canada is very sparse compared to America as it is.  Walmart is pretty much the only department store we have now. We used to have Zellers, Woolworth/Woolco, Towers, Eaton's, Robinson's...etc.  Retail as we know it has had its day I'm afraid.     
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on February 13, 2017, 03:00:03 PM
Enough with the boring politics talk. Speaking of the downfall of Kmart, this guy made one about Target in Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXYR69UhxI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXYR69UhxI)


I hope he makes one about Sears when the time comes.

Tuxedo Mark is obsessed with K-Mart because he worked there in the past and didn't have a good experience I think.  So he tracks its performance as some kind of weird revenge.  Honestly, the healthy thing for him to do would be to stop dwelling on it entirely.  I don't know why people would pander to this kind of thing and feign interest, seems kind of fake to me.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: JonInIowaCity on February 13, 2017, 08:43:30 PM
We still have a Kmart in town. More often than not, it's the box store that I shop at when I need to go to a box store. It's closer than Walmart and the lines flow faster. Every so often, news articles show up about new Kmarts that are closing down and I keep looking to see if our store is closing. So far, so good. But it's just a matter of time.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: BettyReggie on February 13, 2017, 11:08:23 PM
We had Kmart but they changed their name to Super Kmart. I haven't been to a Kmart in years.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Mr.Lodge on February 14, 2017, 12:25:43 AM
We used to call Kmart 'Came apart'. I think the last time I went to one was just to use the restroom to make a 'deposit'.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: irishmoxie on February 14, 2017, 02:16:53 PM
I have fond memories of Kmart as a child. It was a fun place to shop in and was well stocked back then. I remember buying the Sabrina novels there featuring Melissa Joan Hart on the cover. I would beg my mom to take me and my friend there at midnight during a sleepover. It was one of the few places open at that time (24 hours). Target had better stuff but was not open. We would cause general havoc: ride around on the motorized carts, bounce a giant bouncy ball from the toy department down all the aisles, hide dog bones in the meat case. I also remember cranking calling Kmart all the time to ask if Chloe was there. Chloe was just a random name I chose. I remember one time the person in the clothing department answered and they just happened to see a woman walk by in a flowered dress and I said "That's her!" And they actually went after her. People were more gullible back then.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: steveinthecity on February 15, 2017, 12:21:39 AM
If memory serves, for a time we used to go to Kmart on Wednesdays to take advantage of their discount dinner they offered.   I was there many a night.   My parents shopped the heck out of the place afterwards, so I presume it all worked out, moneywise.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on February 15, 2017, 05:01:25 AM
If memory serves, for a time we used to go to Kmart on Wednesdays to take advantage of their discount dinner they offered.   I was there many a night.   My parents shopped the heck out of the place afterwards, so I presume it all worked out, moneywise.

Wow, a Kmart that's also a restaurant? I've never seen one. Around here they're just department stores (although I've recently been in a larger one that carries groceries, as well). I know of a couple of Walmarts around here that have Subway franchises inside the store, and one Target that has a mini-restaurant that serves fast food (hot dogs, hamburgers, pizza, etc.) but that's about it.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: SAGG on February 15, 2017, 08:01:14 AM

If memory serves, for a time we used to go to Kmart on Wednesdays to take advantage of their discount dinner they offered.   I was there many a night.   My parents shopped the heck out of the place afterwards, so I presume it all worked out, moneywise.

Wow, a Kmart that's also a restaurant? I've never seen one. Around here they're just department stores (although I've recently been in a larger one that carries groceries, as well). I know of a couple of Walmarts around here that have Subway franchises inside the store, and one Target that has a mini-restaurant that serves fast food (hot dogs, hamburgers, pizza, etc.) but that's about it.


Yeah, I do recall that our old Kmarts had cafeterias:


https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Vintage+Kmart+Cafeteria+Years&FORM=IDMHDL


I liked eating there as well when I was little. Woolworth's was the same, only that the store was smaller...
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: VintageJon on February 15, 2017, 08:50:01 AM
Woolworth's had a great lunch counter, as did Kresge's (we had Kresge (same company) and Kmart until the 90's) The one in downtown Hamilton was straight out of the 1950's.  They had great burgers and fries.....Jughead would have been in heaven.  25 years later when I drive by the old building I still get a little sad.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: irishmoxie on February 15, 2017, 07:08:27 PM
If memory serves, for a time we used to go to Kmart on Wednesdays to take advantage of their discount dinner they offered.   I was there many a night.   My parents shopped the heck out of the place afterwards, so I presume it all worked out, moneywise.


Totally had a grocery store like this in Ohio called Buehler's. We get the Friday night fish fry then pick out a video in their mini video rental store inside. I remember Giant Eagle having a video rental store too.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Cosmo on February 15, 2017, 08:46:35 PM
Well I hadn't thought about those cafeterias in stores for quite a while, but it was the norm in the sixties/early seventies. K-Mart usually had the as did my old employer Murphy Mart in Bethel Park PA. Even Sears had one at the anchor Sears at the mall. Usually pretty cheap and mostly decent food. Sort of good the way food in bowling alleys tend to be good. Often it was in a raised area a couple of feet off the store sales floor so you could gaze out at your next purchases as you grazed on the food.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: steveinthecity on February 16, 2017, 12:53:01 AM
Well I hadn't thought about those cafeterias in stores for quite a while, but it was the norm in the sixties/early seventies. K-Mart usually had the as did my old employer Murphy Mart in Bethel Park PA. Even Sears had one at the anchor Sears at the mall. Usually pretty cheap and mostly decent food. Sort of good the way food in bowling alleys tend to be good. Often it was in a raised area a couple of feet off the store sales floor so you could gaze out at your next purchases as you grazed on the food.
I was in the Harrisburg area, and can relate to what you're saying.  One of my favorite things to eat as a kid  was the fish sandwich and fries at the local bowling alley. 
 :smitten:
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: JonInIowaCity on February 20, 2017, 05:18:54 PM
At this point, most of our kitchen appliances, plus our washer/dryer set, were purchased at our local Sears.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Jabroniville on February 23, 2017, 02:32:59 PM
The whole Target launch up here was a complete Fiasco.  They lasted about a year. They grossly misunderstood what consumers here would want (we wanted an exact copy of the US stores, pricing included).   Instead, we were treated to half empty shelves and inflated prices. The parent company gave no time for the operation to become profitable.


Thousands lost jobs and most of the stores just stand empty now.  The retail landscape in Canada is very sparse compared to America as it is.  Walmart is pretty much the only department store we have now. We used to have Zellers, Woolworth/Woolco, Towers, Eaton's, Robinson's...etc.  Retail as we know it has had its day I'm afraid.   
Yeah, it was an absolute disaster. I read a HUGE article on it once- a lot of boring business-speak, but it also mentioned that the empty shelves were due to a poor distribution system- employees didn't want to get in trouble, so they clicked everything to be at a minimum, and the automatic system wouldn't flag them for it. So ALL of the stores were empty.

They also foolishly over-shot their limits- opening up DOZENS of stores when they should have done flagship launches in major cities, or in one area. They opened up THREE FRIGGIN' STORES in Edmonton near-simultaneously. Of COURSE that was going to be a disaster! Nobody can go from "zero stores" to "a hundred stores" overnight and make it work. I don't care if they WERE in major shopping centers (West Edmonton Mall & Kingsway).


And yeah, malls are now sitting with gigantic Big Boxes empty. West Edmonton Mall has JUST NOW figured out what they're going to do with theirs, and it's been empty for two or three years now. Target lost billions on this nonsense.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Jabroniville on November 03, 2017, 08:41:40 AM
Update: Sears has shut down all of its stores in Canada. That was fast- they'd closed down "select stores" in Canada earlier in the year, and have just decided to close up shop right before Christmas! Every store is a madhouse, and it's proving to be a disaster for Canadian malls, because most of them had JUST figured out what they're doing with all their abandoned Target locations! One of the malls it town had just renovated their old Target to have different store-space (converting a department store into a hallways with stores in it), and the West Edmonton Mall store is only NOW about to be filled with a few different things.

People are thinking the malls are gonna have to allow gyms to move in in order to survive, now.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Tuxedo Mark on November 03, 2017, 10:00:52 AM
Update: Sears has shut down all of its stores in Canada. That was fast- they'd closed down "select stores" in Canada earlier in the year, and have just decided to close up shop right before Christmas! Every store is a madhouse, and it's proving to be a disaster for Canadian malls, because most of them had JUST figured out what they're doing with all their abandoned Target locations! One of the malls it town had just renovated their old Target to have different store-space (converting a department store into a hallways with stores in it), and the West Edmonton Mall store is only NOW about to be filled with a few different things.

People are thinking the malls are gonna have to allow gyms to move in in order to survive, now.

I think malls are just gonna die out, period. They're such an outdated concept. The mall in my county has seen all four of its anchor stores close (including, yes, Sears and the Kmart that I used to work at) and only one take its place. If it wasn't for the movie theater, it'd probably be in much worse shape. There was even mold in the old JC Penney location, and it had spread throughout the mall, because various employees had complained of illness.

Eddie Lampert, the billionare hedge fund manager that orchestrated the merger of Sears and Kmart over a decade ago and now serves as its CEO (because no one else wanted the job), loaned the company $200,000,000 from one of his other companies in order to get it through the holiday shopping season. That loan comes due in April. Aaaaaand...they've already burned through it:

http://host.madison.com/business/investment/markets-and-stocks/how-much-cash-does-sears-have-left/article_4fb820a8-9bda-5559-a06b-fc27e2c550b5.html (http://host.madison.com/business/investment/markets-and-stocks/how-much-cash-does-sears-have-left/article_4fb820a8-9bda-5559-a06b-fc27e2c550b5.html)

Here's a new list of store closings:

http://www.syracuse.com/business-news/index.ssf/2017/11/sears_kmart_stores_closing_list_locations.html (http://www.syracuse.com/business-news/index.ssf/2017/11/sears_kmart_stores_closing_list_locations.html)
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Mr.Lodge on November 03, 2017, 04:38:48 PM
I'll be surprised if they remain in business come springtime 2018.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on November 04, 2017, 02:23:01 AM
People are thinking the malls are gonna have to allow gyms to move in in order to survive, now.

Hmmm. I guess it brings people into the mall on a daily basis, but then again I'd think that after you work out you'd be too tired to shop.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Jabroniville on November 09, 2017, 09:35:56 AM
Malls in Canada are a different situation: http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/better-design-and-atmosphere-why-canadian-malls-are-thriving-while-american-malls-struggle (http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/better-design-and-atmosphere-why-canadian-malls-are-thriving-while-american-malls-struggle)


The weather here prevents a lot of "outdoor shopping center" things. Though a lot of malls are learning that their "anchors" are unnecessary, and are looking into putting odd things in those locations- doctors' offices, gyms, etc. These places provide rent money, even if there's no "crossover" between one thing and the other Most of the malls in town are undergoing MAJOR renovations, too- they're spending money to look better and be more modern.

Also, Online Shopping is proving to be riskier and riskier for a lot of people, and could eventually peak (never mind that Amazon barely even makes money, if at all).

Personally, I'd hate to see malls disappear entirely- as archaic as some aspects can be (business owners HATE the enforced opening & closing times, as they have to pay staff to do nothing for hours on weekends), they're a much better "destination" than most shopping centers tend to be.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Tuxedo Mark on November 09, 2017, 10:55:53 AM
they have to pay staff to do nothing for hours on weekends

Huh?! Explain this, please.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Jabroniville on November 10, 2017, 07:51:03 AM
they have to pay staff to do nothing for hours on weekends

Huh?! Explain this, please.
It's simple:

Malls enforce the hours that businesses have to stay open.

Certain times of the day are infamously slow in malls, such as weekends after 6pm or so, some holidays, early mornings, etc. When I worked in a mall, Saturday after six was just DEAD- you only get business during the day.

Therefore, a business that has to stay open from 9 to 9 every single day has to pay staff to fill those twelve hours, even if a bunch of those hours aren't busy at all- the employees are thus drawn really thin for the times when it IS busy, and the stores basically blow money, because they're paying someone $/hour to sit around while no sales are made. My mom still works in a mall, and says there are days when you could roll a bowling ball down the halls and hit nobody. Yet every place is open.

I mean, yay, it's more hours for people who might need it, but it's a waste. Many business owners I know refuse to move in to malls directly because of this practice- paying staff for times when nobody's shopping is dumb.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Tuxedo Mark on November 10, 2017, 08:49:49 AM
they have to pay staff to do nothing for hours on weekends

Huh?! Explain this, please.
It's simple:

Malls enforce the hours that businesses have to stay open.

Certain times of the day are infamously slow in malls, such as weekends after 6pm or so, some holidays, early mornings, etc. When I worked in a mall, Saturday after six was just DEAD- you only get business during the day.

Therefore, a business that has to stay open from 9 to 9 every single day has to pay staff to fill those twelve hours, even if a bunch of those hours aren't busy at all- the employees are thus drawn really thin for the times when it IS busy, and the stores basically blow money, because they're paying someone $/hour to sit around while no sales are made. My mom still works in a mall, and says there are days when you could roll a bowling ball down the halls and hit nobody. Yet every place is open.

I mean, yay, it's more hours for people who might need it, but it's a waste. Many business owners I know refuse to move in to malls directly because of this practice- paying staff for times when nobody's shopping is dumb.

Maybe it's different in Canada. Here, at a mall around an hour from my house, the food court has a Chick-fil-A, which refuses to open on Sundays. Any time that my mom and I visit that mall on a Sunday, that restaurant is closed, but everything else is open. That leads me to believe individual businesses can set their own hours.

Heck, now that I think about it, the Kmart that I used to work at (which is now closed) went through hour changes at one point, and I've seen other businesses in the mall post hours of operation signs.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Jabroniville on November 11, 2017, 02:23:34 AM
I can't speak for all of Canada, but every mall I know of has hours it insists stores stay open. Department stores and restaurants are often open later, but every place has to be open until the mall is closed- this mystified me until I went to a mall with a lot of stores that'd shut down, and I realized that if stores closed whenever they wanted, then the mall would visually appear to be closing down or failing :).

The only places around here that are allowed to close earlier are the travel agent shops and pharmacies- I assume it's because those people are trained professionals (like, more than us cashiers :)) and can thus dictate their hours.


It makes the "outdoor shopping center" look more attractive to business owners, even if "walk-in traffic" is diminished.

I really hope malls don't fail, however. Shopping centers are lame places to visit compared to malls, the food is scattered everywhere instead of in one place, it's often freezing out, and anyone with kids will tell you it's REALLY inconvenient to have to walk from place to place with children (especially if they're in strollers). Malls are a god-send to people with kids.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Captain Jetpack on November 13, 2017, 07:18:36 AM
The only Kmart--indeed, the only shopping of note near my workplace, will close in January.


No place to get stuff if I need it, except the drugstores.
Also, no place to buy Archie Digests.
 :( :tickedoff:
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: DeCarlo Rules on November 13, 2017, 10:44:38 AM
That's a bummer. I remember going into a K-mart once and specifically asking a store clerk if they carried Archie digests, and the answer was "No", although that was a couple of years ago. I do remember seeing them about a year later in Walmart, but lately when I've been in there... once again, no Archie digests. Come to think of it, it's been a while since I've looked at Barnes & Noble, which was the only other place I knew of that I could reliably find them (other than special-ordering through my LCS) so who knows if B&N even carries them now. It would explain a lot.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Vegan Jughead on November 13, 2017, 05:19:07 PM
That's a bummer. I remember going into a K-mart once and specifically asking a store clerk if they carried Archie digests, and the answer was "No", although that was a couple of years ago. I do remember seeing them about a year later in Walmart, but lately when I've been in there... once again, no Archie digests. Come to think of it, it's been a while since I've looked at Barnes & Noble, which was the only other place I knew of that I could reliably find them (other than special-ordering through my LCS) so who knows if B&N even carries them now. It would explain a lot.


Barnes and Noble does still carry all of the digests.  From what I can tell, though, at the one near my house, no one looks at them or buys them.
Title: Re: Sears/Kmart
Post by: Cosmo on November 13, 2017, 06:29:19 PM
Only see the digests here at the front checkouts at grocery stores like Foodland and Safeway.