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Do Jughead-Veronica feud fans want to see them feud on the show too, or is this whole trip so different that it doesn't matter to you? Because I know some of my usual inclinations are dead thanks to plot/casting decisions.

Since Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa is writing it I think there will be antagonism. I mean there has to be, Mark Waid and Chip Zdarsky are taking advantage of it. It's in Afterlife with Archie too which RAS writes so I would actually be quite surprised if they got along fine in Riverdale, but I can't say I'm not trepidatious about how they might present it. I would like it to be more like their relationship in classic Archie where they still consider themselves friends even though they bicker, instead of the outright dislike they display in new Archie and Afterlife with Archie.

As far as romance goes, I'd have to see the show in order to determine whether I would be into it or not, but so far my inclination is no the more I hear about Riverdale.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 05:27:20 AMIn the context of what I already know about Riverdale, it would seem like the most likely scenario would involve Veronica having sex with Jughead, but trying to keep the affair secret from everyone (or maybe it's Jughead who insists on keeping it secret). Just remember that in Riverdale, every day is "opposite day".

I'm not exactly on top of all the Riverdale news but have they released anything in regards to Jughead's sexuality? Chip Zdarsky has him as asexual, and others see him as gay, will he be straight in Riverdale? Since this show is the brainchild of RAS and Greg Berlanti, I can see some Glee or Dawson's Creek type thing where the protagonist's (Archie) best friend (Jughead) dates one of his girlfriends (Betty, Veronica) a la Puck and Quinn, and Pacey and Joey. Maybe you're not too far off, DeCarlo Rules.


By the way, is Jughead still supposed to be hard of hearing?

I doubt it, they're not putting it in the publicity now and they weren't able to find a deaf actor like they wanted.


They're being vague about what his sexuality will be, the closest they've come to an answer is what Cole Sprouse says here:


http://riverdaily.tumblr.com/post/144621196202/cole-sprouse-answering-whether-or-not-jughead-will


They'll probably try to please everyone by having him seem to be a biromantic asexual who tries dating everyone and finally decides in the last episode that he's aromantic.

Quote from: Thrillho on May 20, 2016, 10:24:37 PM

Relevant out of context panels

To think of all the people who say Veronica never helps the needy!

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 05:47:58 AM
On the other hand, if some twist of fate were to reduce Veronica to working for a living, there's no real evidence that she could make a fortune starting from scratch. We're not even entirely sure that Hiram Lodge didn't start out with certain benefits and advantages to get the snowball of his vast fortune rolling.

Yeah most stories that go there say he did.







The idea Bob Montana started out with was that the Lodges were "Bostom Brahmins" and most writers keep on with the old money idea. The way I like to see it, Mr. Lodge was probably spoiled and irresponsible like Veronica when he was her age. They hint it in this story:





















But he overcame it just like she will.    And yeah, no evidence Veronica could rebuild a fortune like that since a lot depends on luck but I think she would TRY and under all her problems she has a lot of will and brains.

Jughead ends up walking off with Veronica at the end of a lot of Archie vs. Reggie stories, doesn't he?

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 06:09:14 AM


Well, look at what you're showing right there. Mrs. Mantle is away traveling on business. That gives you the impression that she's likely the parent that isn't home a lot, and is not as involved in Reggie's day to day life. She knows he's the RHS athletic star, and that he sometimes dates Veronica. Maybe she knows he's dated Betty a few times, too. What does she know about Archie? Probably not much, beyond what Reggie might have told her. There's every possibility that she dotes on him, because to all ostensible appearances she should be a proud parent. He's likely on the fast track to an athletic scholorship. Because she's often away traveling on business, she has less opportunities to be critical of him, and probably values their time together even more. He probably gets good enough grades not to give his parents grief, and his detentions must be kept to the level that they don't cause a lot of parent-teacher meetings.

For all we know Reggie might behave like a perfect gentleman around her, and isn't even really trying to "pull the wool over her eyes".

There's no way she could not be aware her son has problems unless he WAS pulling the wool over her eyes. Constantly for years. Suggesting an incredible level of deviousness to Reggie that I don't want to apply to him. Or unless she IS a negligent parent who doesn't pay him enough attention or if she just has a warped sense of propriety?

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So all she really knows is she's been invited to the school to see a play that her son wrote, directed, and stars in. She hasn't even seen the play yet and she's already proud of him for that. Is she going there as a drama critic, thinking "Well, we'll just see if it's any good!" No, she's just thrilled that it's another laurel wreath to add to his achievements along with his many sports trophies. You think she's sitting there, trying to find cracks in his suspect facade? Trying to figure out what the play's about, or what it means? Is it a satire, or some kind or ironic humor? "Who knows with kids these days?" Of course not, she can't see any of that, because she has no reason to look for his motives, or to want to believe anything bad about him.

It's a play written by her son starring him using his real name all about how great he is with at least one of his real girlfriends that she must know of, throwing herself at him, you don't think most parents would weird out or think that "Archie Andrews" maybe a real student he's dissing?

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Try to imagine reading that story as if it were the first Archie story you'd ever read, like you'd never even heard of Archie, and knew nothing (or next to nothing) about any of the characters, except for a couple of select pieces of info about Reggie - he's a good-looking kid, and he's Riverdale's star athlete, with a roomful of trophies; he dates Veronica once in a while, and has maybe dated Betty a couple of times as well. Then read it again, and tell me what prior information you need to bring with you to reading the story that makes interpreting that play "obvious". And then realize that you don't want to believe anything bad about Reggie going into it.

It would be obvious just from the play he's the antagonist/hambone because no one puts on a public play starring himself talking about how great he is starring also his real life girlfriends. Seriously Reggie is my favorite character and he gets dumped on a lot but I know this isn't the kind of play that should make your mother beam with pride, no matter how much I like it.

Let's say the franchise gets sold to IDW and they decide to put out new stories. Would you buy them? Ive been thinking about it and I don't know if I would. Maybe if they hired the artists and writers who used to work for Archie, it would give some continuity with the old, but otherwise it might be too much of a change for me.

So we've been seeing a few pictures of these two Riverdale actors together at publicity events lately...







Do Jughead-Veronica feud fans want to see them feud on the show too, or is this whole trip so different that it doesn't matter to you? Because I know some of my usual inclinations are dead thanks to plot/casting decisions.

I was going to say that Betty probably just feels that Veronica would be happier without so much money because Betty thinks money doesn't bring happiness, she sees how its affected Veronica badly sometimes, it's too much trouble...then I saw that Betty says "Poor Ronnie!" and I realized, no, she is being petty.    I guess even Betty has her moments. I don't know what I would predict for them, the things that would probably make them happiest sound the most boring. Betty might be a writer, and maybe Jughead would find a way to solve world hunger or invent the perfect burger, one or the other. The only one I would bank on is that Ronnie would rise to the occasion when she inherits Lodge Industries and make it a success, and if her fortunes dwindled to a dress shop then yeah I think she'd probably be looking for ways to expand it into an empire.

Quote from: Thrillho on May 19, 2016, 05:34:14 PM
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I like Jughead but he needs not win every time.

This is funny, they should do a dream sequence story about Jughead marrying Veronica for her money.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 19, 2016, 04:28:40 PM

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Quote from: daren on May 17, 2016, 04:05:32 PM
Right there, she has the personality to be the problem parent if Mark Waid wants Reggie to have one.

Problem parent? She's his mother -- of course she thinks the world of him. Let's just say she's got a less than objective picture of the real Reggie Mantle. It's a good bet he doesn't pull any of that underhanded crap on her and act like a conceited braggart around her.  All she's seeing here is Reggie as a talented writer/actor/director, something she can be proud of.

None of the other parents would react that way if their kid put on a play like that, come on.

None of them are star athletes with a roomful of trophies, either. All right, so he's got he snowed. She doesn't REALLY know her son. Not a crime. Yeah, maybe if she'd been reading the comics along with the rest of us, she'd know better. I have to assume she doesn't know Betty and Veronica from a hole in the wall. When have you ever seen the whole gang hanging out at Reggie's house?

She must at least know Veronica, she's in a well known family, she often calls Reggie's house and in some stories they've talked and a few times you see a picture of her in Reggie's room. Anyway I was talking about the fact that Reggie's play is a big ego trip that insults another student (even if I love it), no matter what she doesn't know about Reggie already the play wouldnt get that reaction from a normal parent. I know this is applying real life analysis to a silly cartoon plot but that's what the reboots/tv show etc. are doing so going with them Mrs. Mantle would be a better choice for problem parent than her husband since we already know he's a nice guy. I'm not saying they SHOULD make her that but they seem like they want to give Reggie some kind of troubled home life. If they do I'd probably like her more if they developed her that way, the problem characters are always my favorite.

Quote from: Thrillho on May 19, 2016, 05:32:09 PM
Well Reggie does have neglectful parents

I think these pages support my idea that Mrs. Mantle would be a better problem parent, if anyone is being neglectful of Reggie here it's her. Mr. Mantle is there for him (he's not sitting down to dinner with him but how many parents do that with their teens) like he is in most stories, we see much less of Reggie with his mother.

He looks pained.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 17, 2016, 06:16:56 PM

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I remember a story where Betty was Rolling Blading & she was almost hit by this huge truck. Reggie ran into the street. He saved her. His sweater was ripped. And few days later Betty made him a sweater to replace his rip one. He asked her to go the movies. So they as actually started to date but they were not sure if was true love. Archie & Veronica were jealous & actually missed them. In the end Reggie did what nice person would do & it proved he actually had a heart.

"For One Brief Moment". That's my favorite Betty/Reggie story.

Even though I'd read the story before in reprint form, I was surprised to find that issue (BETTY #43) with the original appearance of that story, while rummaging through a box of unsorted comics for 50c. I never find an issue of an Archie comic that way that contains some 'significant' or notable story like that. That story IS pretty much the Holy Grail for Betty/Reggie shippers. Doubtful that there'll ever be another.

That cover is classic.


I found most of the story in the google books preview for one of the Best of Archie stories, except for the first few pages: [size=78%]https://books.google.com/books?id=OZV0BQAAQBAJ&pg=PA222&lpg=PA222&dq=%22best+of+archie%22+%22c.j.+henderson%22&source=bl&ots=YBIcS__Tf4&sig=u9bxL8oKTQ3rRmD0dXzU8iXh2iY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigxr-B6ufMAhVl_4MKHXqhDUwQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=%22best%20of%20archie%22%20%22c.j.%20henderson%22&f=false[/size]


(Scroll past the story about Moose)

So it seems this is going to be a midseason premiere according to the Archie site.


I looked up 'midseason premiere' since I hardly watch tv and found out this means it'll debut early next year, I also found these comments:


Traditionally, having a series get picked up as a mid-season replacement isn't exactly a great show of confidence on behalf of a network. It's the easiest way to get involved with a new show while at the same time undertaking the least possible amount of risk.


As we all know, most American TV programs premiere in the Fall, and any show that isn't launched until the Spring is typically assumed to be a clunker. Most of these shows, deemed "midseason replacements", are intended to just be filler for a few months until the network is ready to roll out their next great series in the next Fall season.


The Midseason Replacement is typically a show network execs don't consider strong enough to premiere at the beginning of a season, but is held in reserve for a premiere later when time slots are needed to be filled after another show has gone belly-up. Since the midseason replacement is considered to be a weaker show than what the network was originally hoping for, expectations often aren't very high.


  I hadn't realized till I read this that a part of me was hoping the show would succeed, but I might as well stop hoping. So that if it does succeed it can be an incredible surprise!

Here's a scene where Betty and Reggie team up in the girls imagining themselves as rival pirates. That's the only panel with him though.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 19, 2016, 06:55:02 AM

Quote from: daren on May 17, 2016, 04:05:32 PM
Right there, she has the personality to be the problem parent if Mark Waid wants Reggie to have one.

Problem parent? She's his mother -- of course she thinks the world of him. Let's just say she's got a less than objective picture of the real Reggie Mantle. It's a good bet he doesn't pull any of that underhanded crap on her and act like a conceited braggart around her.  All she's seeing here is Reggie as a talented writer/actor/director, something she can be proud of.

None of the other parents would react that way if their kid put on a play like that, come on.

Quote from: Thrillho on May 18, 2016, 07:21:35 PM

I never would have thought Jughead would say THAT, in the second panel. He's always
liked Betty better than Veronica so you know if he's saying that, he really means it.