A couple of things to note about that page: One, it's obviously a Dan Parent story, probably from an issue of Veronica's own series. Two, Veronica's odd behavior is easily explained if you consider the evidence on the page -- why is Veronica wearing glasses? Why does she think to herself "I'm not sure, but I think he's a blond-haired football hunk!"? Why does she feel the need to introduce herself ("My name's Veronica. What's yours?") to Mr. Weatherbee? The answer to these questions is probably that she's wearing prescription glasses which aren't hers (possibly to impress people by trying to create an impression of intelligence and studiousness, which will render her more attractive), so she really can't see, and doesn't realize that she's flirting with Mr. Weatherbee (until that final panel). My guess would be that they're Dilton's glasses which Veronica somehow found, and she decides that since Dilton is respected for his intelligence, she wants to be respected for her intelligence as well, so she puts them on, seeking attention and respect as a brainy type.

Quote from: Tuxedo Mark on August 25, 2016, 09:14:51 PM
Thanks for the info! Someone needs to update that IMDb page. Interesting that Cheryl as Betty was the only consistency. In fact, now that I think about it, that fact sounds familiar. I wonder if maybe I read your cast list somewhere years ago.

I really want to see both of these pilots.

Some pilots are truly lost -- i.e., they were considered of no further value beyond their intended purpose of selling a sponsor or network on a series proposal, so there was no effort made to preserve them in any way. A lot of old film in vaults wound up being trashed or destroyed simply because the space it was taking up was considered more valuable than the film itself. There's no way they could have foreseen these things would have any future worth to anyone, and this may indeed be the case with the 1962 pilot. Then too, some of these pilots didn't represent an actual broadcast-worthy 1st episode as you'd normally think, but rather kind of a "dress rehearsal" or "proof of concept" video.

Quote from: irishmoxie on August 25, 2016, 07:34:19 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 25, 2016, 12:10:43 AM

Quote from: irishmoxie on August 24, 2016, 10:00:45 PM
Archie #11 - The art was particularly bad. Maybe because 3 different people worked on it? Breakdowns, Finishes, and Special Thanks to Veronica Fish. Comparing this to Fiona Staples is astounding. Interesting how they tried to make it look like old Archie with the half page stories. But the comedy wasn't there. Battle of the Bands was nowhere near Jem and the Holograms levels.

I was going to read the reprint in the back but I forgot to. Hopefully I didn't miss anything good, but I usually enjoy reading Waid's little text essays.

The reprint was a Harry Lucey The Archies story from the late 60's which I know I've read before.

You never know. Sometimes I get surprised, like the last issue of CHILLING ADVENTURES OF SABRINA, which had an early Dan DeCarlo Sabrina reprint from Archie's Madhouse that I'd never read before. I think all of the reprints in the back of ARCHIE and JUGHEAD have been ones I've seen before, or at least almost all of them.

Quote from: Tuxedo Mark on August 25, 2016, 02:25:51 PM
Thanks for the info!

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 24, 2016, 09:48:33 PM
Archie's Funhouse is on DVD, so I don't know what needs explaining.

Plenty, since, according to Wikipedia, there are missing episodes and missing/lost footage:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Archie_Show#Home_release

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 24, 2016, 09:48:33 PM
Why would you expect the documenting and indexing of these shows to be any better than the comics?

Probably because there's far less of them.

I'm compiling an episode list of all of the Filmation episodes, and I want to make sure that I have all of them.

Wikipedia says "The U.S. of Archie" aired repeats until September of 1976, but "The New Archie and Sabrina Hour" didn't premiere until September 10, 1977. Did any Archie cartoons air in the 1976-1977 season?

Check Don Markstein's Toonpedia. I think they have complete season episodes listings. I don't think there was anything new Archie-wise. Not sure if there may have been new Groovie Goolies cartoons in that season. They tended to let a show just re-run for a season, or only add a limited number of new episodes - 6 or 8 - as a general rule, but don't forget that each season there was either an hour-long or half-hour long block of animation, so when it was an hour was when they tended to add additional new episodes. And oh yeah, now that I think of it, I think Everything's Archie had a little new animation in the form of one-minute (or so) gag lead-in/lead-outs to the commercial breaks, but the main cartoons were all re-runs.

Betty and Veronica. NOT B&V Friends, that has the Josie reprints (and usually Cheryl Blossom). B&V Friends used to have Sabrina in it when it first changed to that title (formerly it had been the "regular size" Betty and Veronica Digest), but...  (sadly) it was Sabrina "the Animated Series" (ugh!) In the current issues of B&V Friends sometimes there's a Sabrina reprint, usually classic Sabrina (but it's not consistent -- it depends on whether it's an Annual or Jumbo, usually, but no guarantee).

Currently Betty and Veronica has been in a cycle of reprinting the entire run of Sabrina stories (in order) by Bill Golliher and Holly Golightly. (3rd series #38-57) The most recent digest reprinted SABRINA #48, so they are just over half-way through that run.

Quote from: irishmoxie on August 24, 2016, 10:00:45 PM
Archie #11 - The art was particularly bad. Maybe because 3 different people worked on it? Breakdowns, Finishes, and Special Thanks to Veronica Fish. Comparing this to Fiona Staples is astounding. Interesting how they tried to make it look like old Archie with the half page stories. But the comedy wasn't there. Battle of the Bands was nowhere near Jem and the Holograms levels.

I was going to read the reprint in the back but I forgot to. Hopefully I didn't miss anything good, but I usually enjoy reading Waid's little text essays.

Quote from: Archie Comics Collector(Kalell) on August 24, 2016, 10:07:36 PM
I completely agree and understand but at least the next three Betty and Veronica Digests will be the bigger editions and one Betty and Veronica Digest for each of the next three months as shown:

Betty and Veronica Jumbo Comics #247 releasing September 28 will be Fall themed
Betty and Veronica Friends Halloween Annual #251 releasing October 5
Betty and Veronica Holiday Annual #248 releasing November 2

Of course those are just solicitations. Just like the 75th Anniversary Celebration digest isn't listed for November solicits (#3 was already solicited with a shipping date of Nov. 2), some digests may have been solicited in the previous month, or may be shipping later than originally solicited. So there's at least the Holiday Annual #248 at the beginning of the month, and also the BETTY AND VERONICA FAIRY TALES trade collection solicited last month (and scheduled to ship Nov. 16). ... Assuming that those all ship on time.

I'm still trying to get my hands on a copy of the BETTY AND VERONICA: GIRLS RULE trade collection. Ordered it through my LCS but they sent the wrong thing (the latest B&VDD -- but invoiced the store for the right thing, so that's Diamond's fault). My LCS reported it to Diamond as shortage so now they'll have to send a replacement copy. It's still annoying, because now I have to wait.

It still sucks though. 

Archie's Funhouse is on DVD, so I don't know what needs explaining. Between that, and the previous seasons of The Archie Show and Sabrina, most of the Filmation cartoons (about 75%) are on DVD. Archie sold DVDs in its house ads some years back with some sample episodes from the ones you don't see, like the U.S. of Archie and Archie's TV Funnies. One of the last iterations, the Archie & Sabrina Surprise Package, came out on DVD in Australia. Every season these shows mixed (mostly) reruns with some new material, kind of like an Archie digest. Scooby-Doo went through the exact sort of re-tweaking of its format every season as well. It's complicated, so don't expect to get every single detail from Wikipedia. You have to poke around, consult Imdb and other online sources if your want every precise nitty-gritty detail. Why would you expect the documenting and indexing of these shows to be any better than the comics?

I think Archie and His New Pals was the teaser special for the new season in 1969 (which had Moose running for class president against Reggie). That would have been the lead-in to the same season where The Archie Show added Sabrina the Teenage Witch and became an hour-long block. Later Sabrina the Teenage Witch spun off into her own half-hour, then added the Groovie Goolies. After Sabrina split, it became Archie's Funhouse. And so on, morphing every season. Archie's TV Funnies changed up the formula by having the gang in charge of running a local TV station. There was an overall framing story to each 1/2-hour show featuring the gang, which was broken up by them showing cartoons based on then-current comic strips like Broom Hilda, Dick Tracy, The Captain and the Kids, Smokey Stover, Moon Mullins, and others. By 1973, Everything's Archie had shrunk back to a 1/2-hour block and no new animation was produced (apart from new opening/closing credits). The U.S. of Archie had new episodes with an educational/Bicentennial theme, where every episode Archie and the gang would learn something about U.S. history.

The remainder of the new Filmation cartoons not available on DVD consist of those produced for Archie's TV Funnies and The U.S. of Archie. The rest of the new Archie and Sabrina cartoons not included on Genius Entertainment's DVD collections The Archie Show, Archie's Funhouse, and Sabrina the Teenage Witch, apart from Sabrina's appearances with the Groovie Goolies, which were included on the DVD collection released by BCI/Eclipse in 2006 (later re-released by Classic Media on a budget DVD collection), were included in Archie and Sabrina's Surprise Package, released on DVD in Australia (but not in the U.S., Region 1). Those were produced for The New Archie and Sabrina Hour (1977). Some of those Sabrina cartoons had been seen in the last Sabrina re-packaging under the title Sabrina, Super Witch (the last to run on network television), and later syndication packages of the Archie/Filmation cartoons.

Definitely a weak month, although I'm kind of curious to read the Jughead/Sabrina story. Only three digests? No B&V anywhere? Meh. Don't tell me they spent all that investment capital already!

A big list for this week.
GIGANTO MAXIA (Dark Horse) - A done-in-one volume manga I had picked up at Boston Comic Con. Pretty good story, with some hyper-detailed artwork. Wish it had been printed at a larger size, because at the standard manga paperback size (tankobon) it's harder to appreciate all the work that obviously went into the art. It's by the same manga creator who did the series BERZERK (which I haven't read, but is supposedly pretty popular).
LEGENDS OF TOMORROW #6  - I'm not sure if this is the last issue or not. I was only following it to read the Metal Men story, which will hopefully be collected later into a trade paperback, but it ended with this issue, so I'm done. I liked it. I didn't bother reading any of the other stories other than to flip through them.
CIVIL WAR II: GODS OF WAR #3 (of 4) - I've followed most of Marvel's Hercules series (of which this is one) for the last decade or so. He's one of the few of Marvel's Silver Age characters that still continues to interest me.
GARTH ENNIS RED TEAM: DOUBLE TAP #2 (of 9) - A pretty strong reality-based police story, with good, convincing dialogue and procedural details.
UNCLE SCROOGE #17 - A pretty funny story about Donald challenging Scrooge to beat him in a virtual-reality videogame based on The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck. It doesn't take much to guess who's going to win, but the story stayed interesting for the entire time.
INVINCIBLE #130 - Stuff happened, but this is way above my priority clearance level. No idea what's going on, really. I'll probably give up the struggle after one more issue if it doesn't become less murky to me. I mean, it seems like it could be potentially interesting if I could make out the context, but they're not exactly providing any help.
TITANS #2 - I'd probably be tempted to stick with this more if I liked the artwork better. I'll give it a few more to see where (if indeed anywhere) it's going.
DAREDEVIL/PUNISHER #4 (of 4) - Two characters that I really like in a story together, but this story didn't much impress me. So much better has been done with these two together.
SIX PACK & DOG WELDER: HARD TRAVELING HEROES #1 (of 6) - Impossible to explain.
SHE-WOLF #3 - If there's such a thing as a girlie werewolf horror story, I guess this would be it. Interesting enough for me to see it through to the end.
DETECTIVE COMICS #939 - This seems to be turning out to be the best of all the DC rebirthed titles, at least for me. I'm still not buying the redemption-seeking Matt Hagen (Clayface), though. It's possible that he'll turn on the team at some point, I guess. I'd like to see him replaced by Kirk Langstrom (Man-Bat).
DARK WEREWOLVES VS DINOSAURS #1 - Pretty weak. I'll pass on future issues.
HELLBLAZER #1 - Not a bad first issue. It even had Swamp Thing in it (always a plus for a Constantine story). This seems like the most likely candidate after Detective Comics for the DC comic that I might actually keep reading for more than the first story arc. The previous Constantine series was definitely lacking.
KINGSWAY WEST #1 - Interesting (so far) alt-history Old West story.
ACTION COMICS #962 - This was the end of the first story arc. Undecided if I'll continue or not.
WONDER WOMAN #5 - I've got mixed feelings about this book. On one hand, it seems like a substantial improvement on the character from the New 52 version, but I still have some reservations, and exactly what has changed about the character is still a little unclear to me at this point.
HAL JORDAN AND THE GREEN LANTERN CORPS #3 - The artwork is at least pretty good. The story's not grabbing me much, but I'll probably read up to #5 or 6, whenever it ends.
NORTHGUARD #1 - Just checked it out because it was a Chapterhouse Comics title. Doubt that I'll stick with it.
WEIRD DETECTIVE #3 - Police story with some H.P. Lovecraft thrown into the mix. One of the detectives has been inhabited by an alien being from HPL's "The Colour Out of Space".
PATSY WALKER AKA HELLCAT #9 - Still liking it.
LORDS OF THE JUNGLE #6 (of 6) - The conclusion of a time-travel story where Tarzan meets Sheena.
KONG OF SKULL ISLAND #2 (of 6) - A neat story that explains some things about how King Kong (and the native tribe that worships him) got to Skull Island in the first place. Which makes sense, since they're the only primates on an island whose indigenous fauna is comprised almost entirely of reptiles from the Age of Dinosaurs. Some great artwork by Carlos Magna here.
GODZILLA: RAGE AGAINST TIME #1 (of 5) - Another story set in the past, this time 13th Century Japan, where the invading Mongol hordes of Kublai Khan have somehow gotten control of the ancient daikaiju Gigan and Megalon. This is a pretty good (and pretty different) Godzilla comic, with some good artwork and a refreshingly different setting. The next issue is set in ancient Greece, so I'm looking forward to seeing the big G go up against some of the traditional giant monsters of Greek myth (Typhon, Charybdis, etc.).
MARS ATTACKS: THE OCCUPATION #5 (of 5) - I enjoyed the first 10-issue run of Mars Attacks, and the miniseries where Mars Attacks Judge Dredd. This was no exception. John Layman, the writer of the original IDW series, wrote it, so it's a direct sequel.
STAR TREK 50th ANNIVERSARY COVER CELEBRATION - Surprise! Bet you wouldn't have guessed that Archie and the gang are in this. This reprints 50 of the best Star Trek comic book covers. All but 2 came from IDW's Star Trek comics. They've done 60 issues of an ongoing series based on J.J. Abrams' reboot of the franchise, and over a dozen other miniseries (varying from 4 to 6 issues), plus some one shots -- an of those 100+ comics, virtually all of them have been available with at least two different cover art options, a smaller number of them with between 3 and 5 different covers. And they use some really good artists. Two of the covers here came from the original Gold Key Star Trek series from the 1960s/70s. So of the possible 48 covers chosen to represent IDW's comics, with something like 300 or more covers to pick from, it's kind of an honor that Dan Parent's alternate cover from STAR TREK (ongoing) #52, with Archie and the gang in Starfleet uniforms, was among those chosen. Yay, Dan!!

Quote from: The Downloader on August 24, 2016, 09:24:10 AM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 24, 2016, 08:41:56 AM
Gee, wasn't that really nice of that shark, to just carefully pluck off Cheryl's bikini top? I mean, as opposed to just biting off the top half of her body. Sabrina and Mr. Lodge didn't get off nearly as lightly. That story was pretty loose with the maiming and evisceration.

well, its a good thing the shark didn't bite off lodge's  ummm... trousers...  Nobody would like to see that, well, maybe Ms. Grundy (if she were there)...

Depends on your sense of humor I guess. Now, if Mr. Lodge had been left pantsless, that would have been kind of funny. Armless and legless, not as funny, according to my sense of humor.

Gee, wasn't that really nice of that shark, to just carefully pluck off Cheryl's bikini top? I mean, as opposed to just biting off the top half of her body. Sabrina and Mr. Lodge didn't get off nearly as lightly. That story was pretty loose with the maiming and evisceration.

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Quote from: BettyReggie on August 23, 2016, 12:16:19 PM
Lazy day I read in my room & changed the comics in my frames. I have 2 books to pick up from the library. I have those receipts from KFC where you buy the soda & the meal is free. I have to do the survey first & write the code on the receipt.

wait... so your telling me, that if you buy a soda... u... get... A... free...meal?!

Well, when you buy stuff at a fast food place, when they print the reciept, you look on the back of it and sometimes they have this URL where you go and fill out a survey online, then they give you a coupon code. I've seen these on a number of different reciepts, although the exact offer usually varies somewhat.

I should also add that up until very recent times, the continued story from one comic book issue into another (which has been pretty standard for comic book companies like Marvel and DC for many decades now) just did not exist at Archie Comics. Archie stories were just basic episodic sitcoms in nature, like the comedy series airing during the golden age of television, the 1950s and 60s. One major exception to that occurred in the late 1970s, when writer Frank Doyle, inspired by the satiric TV soap Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman!, ran a serial in BETTY AND ME #79-86 (which was the first such continued story ever seen in Archie Comics) called "Betty Cooper, Betty Cooper!". This contained many weird elements of mystery or sci-fi, with a mad doctor with a shrink ray, a vampire, an old gypsy fortuneteller, UFO aliens, and a mysterious threatening figure called "the Limping Man" stalking Jughead. It might be useful for the writers of RIVERDALE to read this, to see how a writer for Archie Comics attempted to emulate a continuing series on television.