I was just reading a TALES OF RIVERDALE DIGEST the other day, and it had a reprint of AWM #3, "A Mighty Weird Crusade", which featured Archie along with the Mighty Crusaders. There was a followup to that story in AWM #14, "The Return of the Mighty Crusaders", but I can't seem to find a copy of that issue anywhere.'

I was wondering if anyone knows of a digest that reprinted that story.

Quote from: irishmoxie on April 29, 2016, 04:15:34 PM
There seems to be 2 types of posters on this forum. Those obsessed with classic Archie and that's the only comic they read and those that read lots of comics and Archie just happens to be one of them. I actually quite enjoy the "What comics are you reading thread?". I get a lot of recommendations from there.

2 other types:
Those who read ONLY Archie Comics (but not JUST classic Archie) = spazaru

Those who read LOTS of comics, but for comics featuring the Archie characters, only really like the classic ones (= me). Not my fault they cancelled NEW CRUSADERS, THE FOX, and MEGA MAN - I enjoyed those, but not Dark Circle titles, Sonic titles, or New Riverdale titles. If Archie Horror goes on long enough, I'm sure I'll probably tire of those (just hanging in there hoping for some kind of resolution to the storylines).

The active threads here generally break down into six main interests:

1 - New Riverdale titles
2 - Archie digest/classic
3 - Archie Horror
4 - Riverdale TV
5 - ACP company/publishing/editorial (including solicitations)
6 - non-comics discussion

The reason there isn't more "other comics" discussion is pretty simple, when you think about it.

1 - At any given time, there are something like 1000 comic book titles being published.
2 - Of those, even the most voracious of comic readers can read only a tiny percentage.
3 - Of the active posters here, there are only a bare handful reading a significant number of titles other than ACP (or at least, a bare handful who have anything to say about them).
4 - Given the small number of other titles (apart from ACP) being read by active posters in relation to the potential number of titles out there, the overlap between any two active posters' reading lists is marginal.
5 - The same titles that any two active posters may be reading may fall on an entirely different range of the spectrum for each reader. In that slim margin of overlap, the comic that most excites you and about which you have a lot to say, may be a title about which I have little or nothing to say.
6 - All of the above being the case, "other comics" discussion tends to peak in "Archie-related" comics discussion (Pixie Trix, SitComics, AstroComix).

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Leave it to me to inadvertently get you two to actually agree on something on these boards. So every Archie character can basically avoid each other from our comic book POV while still being buds, and the "team title" would be like a Justice League or Avengers-type?

Well, obviously they're not going to function like some kind of formal group. I just meant in terms of having one book where they would all be more or less equal players, with no one being the star of the book, or they're ALL the stars. Not to say that they'd all get an equal amount of panel space in every issue, it could vary from one issue to another.

Quote from: SAGG on June 29, 2016, 04:19:53 AM
I think it could be a novelty maybe at first

But you know what? Back in 1949-1950, the idea of giving Jughead, Betty & Veronica, and Reggie their own titles was "a novelty" too. Before that they were just supporting characters.

Yes, yes, I agree, but and still the characters interacted with each other, even in their own titles. How about this, something in between: each character could have their own title, but there would be an occasional appearance by another character every several issues...? It's kind of hard not seeing Archie without one of his "main" two girlfriends, though I can see him go through other girls without seeing B & V for several issues...

Hey, don't ask me. I'm just spitballing. Daren the billionaire gets to make the call, it's his money.

I'm just guessing, but what I THINK he was trying to get at there, was -- let's get back to classic Archie, and give it another chance. But the status quo needs to be shaken up in some way to stir things up and put a new spin on these old characters, and get people to take another look. So instead of rehashing the same character relationships over again, let's isolate each of the main gang a little, and see what kind of new things we can discover about the characters by their interactions with OTHER people besides the main gang. Again, just a guess. But I figured there'd be a little resistance there, which is why I suggested a "gang" title as well, so as not to freak out the traditional readers TOO much. If the gang title outsold all the others by a significant margin, then I guess the publisher knows how the reading public votes. But I sort of agree with Daren that it's not the classic Archie creators who are at fault, it's a failure of imagination in publishing decisions. You just need to erase that sort of "ho, hum - seen one, seen 'em all" boredom that comes from decades of repetition. It's also an excuse to fill out each character's title with a supporting cast of little-seen secondary characters and new ones as well. The minute that Archie shows up in Jughead's comic, well -- we're back on familiar ground again, just regurgitating bits from stories written decades ago. It's a little too easy to fall back on as a crutch, because they sort of write themselves that way. I say that with no disrespect to any of the classic Archie writers that worked on the characters in recent decades, because they were doing the job as it was assigned to them. If someone reshuffled the cards and handed them a new deck, I think many of them would rise to that challenge and find new inspiration, possibly a new level of freedom that they didn't feel before. There was a brief period there in which MANY new characters (New Kids, etc.) were created, and ultimately Kevin Keller got his own book. That kind of stuff needed to be happening more often and with more consistency, and followed up on so that those characters continued to be nurtured. There just wasn't the space to do it, or the level of editorial vision needed to guide that over the existing lineup of comics at that time.

You know how they're always making these "themed" versions of popular board games today (started with just MONOPOLY, but now it's spread to all kinds of differerent board games)? So, like STAR WARS RISK, or THE SIMPSONS OPERATION...


I was just thinking they should bring back this old game from 1965, MYSTERY DATE'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHsQpTbQ9Uo,
And do it using all the Archie characters. It would be hilarious. I guess they should probably rename it MISERY DATE.

And then I just did an image search for the game, and discovered it's already been re-released a bunch of times, but like 20 years or so ago they updated it to some electronic version.  None of that stuff, I'm talking about the original version that looked like this:

Only they have to replace all the board graphics and cards and stuff with Archie characters on them.

B&V FRIENDS COMICS ANNUAL #249
PLUTONA #5 (OF 5)
CRYPTOCRACY #1
TANK GIRL 2 GIRLS 1 TANK #2 (OF 4)
RICK & MORTY #15
DAREDEVIL PUNISHER #2 (OF 4)
CAPTAIN AMERICA STEVE ROGERS #2
MICRONAUTS #3
ACTION MAN #1
DARK KNIGHT III MASTER RACE #5 (OF

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I think this is the story - Archie's Riverdale High #8.

Archie secretly dated Cousin Brucie? 

Nothing worth mentioning.

Quote from: Jabroniville on June 29, 2016, 03:19:41 AM
I really don't see Betty having learned sports to win boys. She's got a natural competitive streak,

That's actually the crux of where we disagree. It's not a natural competitive streak. Betty's easygoing by nature. It's an aggravated competitive streak. It's VERONICA who's naturally competitive, and brings that aspect out in Betty, because Veronica, if Betty let her, would just reduce Betty to having an inferiority complex (and in a few stories, you can see it). But no, when the going gets tough, the tough get going. Most of the all-out excellence that Betty shows in different areas can be attributed to Betty responding to Veronica's attempts to show her up. She just has to show her talents in different ways, rather than going head-to-head with Ronnie in those areas where Ronnie's got her beat. Stuff like learning to fix Archie's car to impress him, or being the best girl surfer, or being an excellent cook. Why those? Because she knows those are things that boys value and respect, and she wants to be respected and admired by them. The competitive streak is all ABOUT boys. Betty doesn't have some kind of innate "need to achieve" or compete. It's Veronica that's motivating most of that. Over boys, especially Archie. Betty's obsession with Archie is the key to the puzzle. Betty might be able to let Veronica's showboating slide, if it weren't for Archie. It galls Betty that HER Archie falls for the kind of superficiality that Veronica represents to her, so Betty has to show that she's MORE than just a pretty face (yes, she wants to be pretty, too, but she wants to show she's got MORE beyond that to offer a guy). But then, Archie comes to represent all boys for Betty, so by extension, she's trying to impress all boys -- but especially Archie (it's a vicious circle -- if other boys are all impressed by her, then Archie is bound to be, too). Is it weird that she wants to impress Archie? I'd argue that's pretty much what ACP has always been about (i.e. girls impressing boys and vice-versa), and any attempt at political correctness is some kind of afterthought.

Quote from: Jabroniville on June 29, 2016, 03:19:41 AM
I'm just questioning your theory that she learned it JUST to win over Archie.

Theory -- ? That's what the story in Betty #19 is all about. Did you not pay attention to the reaction of Mr. & Mrs. Cooper to Betty studying the car manual for Archie's car? They don't react as if she's always been fixing cars. They're a little put off. Mrs. Cooper with "What happened to the helpless routine?" and Mr. Cooper joking about "If you want to practice on newer model, I could use a brake job!" (why does she need practice if she already knows how to fix cars?) Mrs Cooper joking about "Did the hospital give us Mr. Goodwrench's baby by mistake?" -- These are not remarks that they'd make if Betty has been fixing cars all along. She gets the manual TO FIX ARCHIE'S CAR. She's learning to do it by getting a book, and then just jumping in feet first. She went out on a limb on the telephone by telling him "maybe I could take a look at it" (she's not so bold as to promise him she can fix it right away, but she's gonna fake her way as far as she can get). Prior to that she's never worked on a car.

Betty's got an introspective side, where she likes to read and write, do little creative things, gardening and crafts, but in those things that she does just for herself, she's not too far above the average girl. I'm not going to argue that the only reason Betty is an "A" student is so she can help Archie with his homework, but if she wasn't an "A" student she'd have a lot less opportunity to spend that time with him. That's just something that sits in the back of her mind, whenever she might feel a natural urge to slack off on her studies a little bit.

And yes, in the 2000s they've been trying to tone down the whole "it's all about the boys" thing in favor of "girl power". Your can reface the surface but you can't do much about the basic foundation, unless you get rid of the central conceit of "average all-american nice guy" who tries to date (at least) two girls at the same time.

Quote from: Jabroniville on June 29, 2016, 03:19:41 AM
Since I don't want to aggravate you further, and since I can't remember whether or not you're one of the people on here with Asperger's or Autism (I'd rather not pick on someone like that), I'll let the matter drop.

" is something I find disrespectful"
BA-ZINGA!!  Well, what can I say?  You sure put me in MY place. Pretty SWAH-vey!

Remind me to try to care LESS about the discussions here in the future.

Quote from: Musical_Necromancer on June 29, 2016, 03:25:47 AM
it's hard to get most comic readers to care about a horny redhead boy's mission to try and have two girlfriends

Point taken. I was always more interested in Betty & Veronica's antics without Archie always hanging around. But if anything, I care about him less NOW as New Archie than I did when he was Old Archie. At least Old Archie was funny sometimes.

Quote from: Midge Klump on June 24, 2016, 04:19:20 PM
First thing on my agenda would be to rehire the likes of Fernando Ruiz, Gisele, The Kennedy's, and any other Classic Artists they got rid of. Then I would get them all together with Dan Parent and say OK who wants to do the New Classic Archie series, who wants to do the New Classic Betty and Veronica series, who wants to do the New Classic Jughead series, who wants to do the New Classic Josie series, and who wants to do the new Sabrina series. Get those launched and end the rebooted stuff. I'd also put an end to the Riverdale Series on the CW. After all the Classic series are launched and successful then I would consider a new Cartoon Archie series for T.V.

Wow, I like the way this girl thinks. Too bad she left. 

Quote from: SAGG on June 29, 2016, 04:19:53 AM
Leave it to me to inadvertently get you two to actually agree on something on these boards. So every Archie character can basically avoid each other from our comic book POV while still being buds, and the "team title" would be like a Justice League or Avengers-type?

Well, obviously they're not going to function like some kind of formal group. I just meant in terms of having one book where they would all be more or less equal players, with no one being the star of the book, or they're ALL the stars. Not to say that they'd all get an equal amount of panel space in every issue, it could vary from one issue to another.

Quote from: SAGG on June 29, 2016, 04:19:53 AM
I think it could be a novelty maybe at first

But you know what? Back in 1949-1950, the idea of giving Jughead, Betty & Veronica, and Reggie their own titles was "a novelty" too. Before that they were just supporting characters.

Quote from: Jabroniville on June 29, 2016, 03:58:59 AM
My own character would be a guy (or girl) who was literally the only one in town to notice how INSANE everyone else is. Like, going "OH MY GOD! That huge guy just punched that other guy in the face for looking at his girl! That's assault! He has the mind of a child and he's somehow in High School! That red-headed kid just destroyed thousands of dollars worth of public property! Shouldn't he be made to pay for that, or his parents be called? That giant girl is committing sexual assault on that boy with the hat! And the same hat-wearing boy just ate enough food to KILL a normal person! And why do those two stone-cold hotties find that red-headed goof attractive?!? And who openly allows their boyfriend to two-time them, or waver between one and the other like that? That white-haired girl is practicing the occult!"

Basically, my character would be the Frank Grimes of the Archie Universe .

That reminds me of the story where this guy arrives in Riverdale, having just retired from writing 30 years on a long-running soap opera. He's so SICK to death of all those crazy soap opera shenanigans and is looking forward to retirement in a nice quiet little town like Riverdale. No sooner does he set foot out of the cab that brought him, he runs into Betty. Then Veronica shows up, they start fighting, and then Archie, and then Reggie shows up to complicate things even further. The guy just stands there watching all the drama unfold for a couple of pages, then turns on his heel, suitcases still in hand, and goes running off into the night like a madman. He can't wait to leave "quiet" little Riverdale and "un-retire"!

Quote from: BettyReggie on June 27, 2016, 09:19:32 PM
I'm surprised Ginger is a Lesbian in AfterLife With Archie but not one in the regular comics. I have a Archie & Friends issue where she's on the cover with Archie. Strange thing he has flowers & candy for her . But she dumps him. Maybe was interested in girls back then.

No, there are at least a few other stories where she's dating different guys. In one story in particular, she's not too sympathetic when Archie bemoans his problems about never being able to say "no" to either Betty or Veronica, so once again he's gotten himself in a situation where he's promised them both a date on the same night. Ginger sort of laughs to herself about it, but no sooner does Archie leave than her phone rings and it's a guy asking her about their date together that night. A few minutes later, the phone rings again, and it's a DIFFERENT guy asking Ginger about their date together tonight. So Ginger goes home and picks out an outfit for her date to the Country Club Dance with one guy, and takes along her bowling outfit for her OTHER date out bowling (by an AMAZING coincidence, the bowling alley is located right across the street from the country club -- what incredible luck!), and she spends the night running back and forth between the two, chagrined about "pulling an Archie" herself. She gets caught running between the bowling alley and the country club by -- a THIRD guy who shows up, asking her if she forgot they had a date together that night! Ginger admits that she's "out-ARCHIE'ed Archie!"

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Quote from: Midge Klump on June 24, 2016, 02:26:34 PM
So Archie Andrews has dated just about every girl in Riverdale and the surrounding counties, but has there ever been a story where he has gone out on a date with Ethel? I don't seem to recall ever reading something like that before.

Yes, there was a story where he took Ethel to the prom. B&V mainly shamed him into it, after the usual bout of indecision over whether he'd ask Betty or Veronica, and they both agreed to sit this prom out in favor of Archie asking Ethel.

Yeah, I remember that one. Didn't he end up having a good time, and kissed her goodnight or something?

Yeah. It was a sweet little story.

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So far I've only read the preview pages online. I have to say I'm a little put off by the limited coloring choice -- to be honest, it seems a little pretentious, like it's trying to make it look less like "classic Archie" and more like "alternative comic".

I think I'll probably wait for the print edition. To tell the truth, I'm still hoping they'll reconsider and go with traditional coloring on the print version.

You're missing out. Like Daren said it fills that void that classic Archie left. I didn't like the color scheme at first but I got used to it as I read on.

Given that it's a miniseries, it shouldn't be that long of a wait. I REALLY would like to see it in full color, but if that doesn't happen for print, I'll still buy it anyway. It's not even the lack of color per se in a comic book that bothers me. If this were an independent series with all new characters by Dan and J Bone, I'd be fine with it. It just sort of bugs me that they're trying to disassociate the series from classic Archie by using the coloring palette as a lever.

I think they went with the minimal color because it's cheaper and they were in a rush to get it out not because they were trying to be "indie."

That can't be right. It's DIGITAL. There's no INK to pay for, so it's not as if ONE color only costs 25% of what FOUR colors would cost. They still have to pay a colorist to color it whether that colorist is only using a single color, or multiple colors. What, you think somehow the colorist is going to accept only 1/4 of his normal pay rate per page? People who work in the comics industry are paid by the page, not by the hour. If I was a colorist and someone told me that they wanted the book done in one color, would I be willing to do it for 1/4 the page rate I normally get? -- I'd say "PASS". What did they save, a few extra mouse clicks for the colorist in switching back and forth between different colors? No, this was a conscious aesthetic choice. You might argue that the decision was an artistic one rather than an attempt to "disassociate from classic Archie", but either way it couldn't be proven. I have my suspicions, though.

Dan Parent colored the book so yes I believe they were trying to save some pennies by not hiring another person as a colorist.

So you're saying he colored it for free? Those are all jobs that people get paid for, you know. Whether Dan colored it, or an artist who specializes in coloring, they still have to be paid for the job. It's no different than writing and penciling and inking. Whether the same guy did all three or only one of those jobs, they each involve a separate page rate.