Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 06, 2016, 10:21:21 AM

It does sort of beg the logical question of why Archie didn't just use the tranquilizer spray on Veronica though, doesn't it?

Maybe he's so used to being reduced to a quivering blob of Jello whenever she gets angry at him that he was too rattled to maintain the same calm cool demeanor he had with Big Moose.

Of course the only real answer is that they had to wrap the story up on that page and needed a funny ending, and you're not supposed to be thinking about it that hard (although it's pretty hard NOT to).

Because Veronica would remember what happened after the spray wore off, Moose's memory isn't that reliable and he wouldn't care if Reggie remembers.

Quote from: irishmoxie on May 06, 2016, 09:37:13 AM
What was the original title?

_{Archie the A-Hole}

If I knew I was going to be on this forum so long I would have picked a real username instead of my lame name, I thought I was going to be in and out. I'm thinking of changing it now.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 06, 2016, 05:41:53 AM
You're trying too hard here, and being AWFULLY selective about which stories and what characters you apply laws of realism to in slapstick comedy, Daren.

Nope I explained my reasoning, you need to read it again.

QuoteYou don't get to apply the 21st century legal definitions of workplace violence or sexual harassment to this one story, either.

What are you talking about? This wasn't workplace violence or sexual harassment. Assault is assault in any century and I wasn't using a "legal definition," the plain definition of assault is to attack someone. When I said what Archie did today would be illegal for good reason I was pointing out it's wrong period.

QuoteBut it's FUNNY if Archie gets his just deserts to you, and not if Veronica gets hers.

I posted all kinds of stories where Veronica gets her just desserts on the old forum so you know that's not true. Hell I didn't post any stories I can remember where Archie gets his.

QuoteDid she hurt her pelvis when Reggie dumped her on the sidewalk? I guess it's funny if you're not Christopher Reeve.

What?

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This in NOT, by the way, a Life With Archie story, or anything remotely close to it.

It doesn't have to be in Life With Archie to not be cartoon slapstick.

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Ah, I get it now. It's funny (a) because it's Archie on the receiving end of physical shtick from Veronica, so no one can accuse her of being a sexist man-hater who just likes to rough up guys, and

I never said Archie was misogynist, I said the story was.

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(b) it's Archie - of course he deserves it, case closed;

You know that's the exact description of the attitude you (and a lot of other people here) have toward Veronica. "it's Veronica - of course she deserves it, case closed."

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Normally Veronica just gets a free pass on being on the receiving end (unless it's girl-on-girl violence) because she's pretty and rich, and her behavior is excused as "just Veronica being Veronica".

As if. Veronica almost never gets a free pass, she's always getting punished. She and Reggie are the ONLY characters who are always getting punished.

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It's the same comedic context, and the same rules apply. No double standard for Veronica having "protected status" because she's a girl, and Archie isn't.

Lol, okay, I see. If you ran Archie Comics Veronica would get pulverized by Moose if she accidentally bumped into Midge just like the boys do because no double standards, right? That's great. 


Look, it's obvious from things written here and on the old forum that you (and some other people here) don't like Veronica, or at least have issues with her and like seeing her punished because your main view of her is she's a "spoiled little brat" who deserves whatever she gets, as opposed to people like me who actually like her and only like seeing her punished because she's usually so funny when it happens. That's fine, there are Archie characters I don't like either and would be happy to see fall on their face, it just happens so much more to my two favorite characters because theyre the villains, so I'll just try to let you enjoy your Veronica-humiliations without my butting in from now on. 

Well, he does have that woman hater past (though it IS the past).

A thread for the less gentlemanly side of our titular hero, since everyone else already has their own such threads.








Okay I changed it, I didn't want anything too profane in a thread title. It doesn't express it as well but it'll do.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 06, 2016, 03:42:25 AM

Quote from: daren on May 06, 2016, 02:55:20 AM
And ASKING someone to wear a different coat (and it IS asking no matter how bossy she was being, she has no hold over him) is very different from grabbing someone weaker than you and SCRUBBING their face forcibly.

And wearing a coat someone else gave you isn't equal to wearing makeup someone else gave you, that's hardly identifiable.

You know if Reggie did that to her people would roast him over hot coals but when Archie does it it's just awesome. Lucky that Reggie wouldn't do that to her.

He could have shown the same backbone simply by refusing to comply with her wishes, but that wouldn't have been a funny ending ("turnabout is fair play"). He doesn't physically hurt her, only embarrass her by treating her like a petulant child, which is the way she's acting. It's a washcloth, not steel wool.

It's not turnabout to assault someone for just yelling at you and it wasn't funny either. And it doesn't matter if he hurt her (though I doubt he bothered being very gentle?) you don't get to use physical force to embarrass someone, especially someone weaker than you. That's illegal for good reason.

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It's hardly even comparable to Jughead beaning Ronnie off the back of the head with a soccer ball, and everyone thought that was hilarious.

Jughead was kind of a dick there too but hitting someone in the head with a beach ball (it wasn't a soccer ball) is not the same as grabbing someone and forcibly holding them while you smear up their makeup, not even. Besides that was more like slapstick like when Moose beats up Reggie, it's the coyote/roadrunner side of Archie. The story with Archie grabbing Veronica is REALISTIC like that time Bingo Wilkin slapped his girlfriend.

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Nobody even bats an eye when Veronica picks up a stray piece of wood and whips it at Archie's head, but if he wipes the makeup off her face with a wet washcloth, then he's a misogynist brute?

Yeah see my answer above. Whenever someone hits someone over the head with a piece of wood or anytime the girls clobber the boys it's more coyote/roadrunner stuff because we knows girls can't beat up boys and in real life girls almost never hit guys like that (too bad we can't say the reverse) This is a realistic Bingo-face-slapping story.

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It hardly matters where the coat came from. It's HIS coat, and there's nothing shabby-looking or embarrassing about him wearing it.

I didn't say she wasnt being a bitch by demanding he switch coats (although you know what, it is kind of crappy for him to wear his other girlfriend's coat on a date with her now I think of it), just that it didn't justify what he did.

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Besides, she's insulting Betty by implication that she'd give him a gift that was trashy and not worthy of being seen in public.

  What? No she isn't. All she says is that she doesn't want him wearing Betty's coat on their date. Betty's her RIVAL.

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Sometimes Veronica needs to be taken down a peg or two, and in this case it's perfectly appropriate. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Again. Veronica did not hit him in this story or do anything to deserve that. Theres enough stories where she gets "taken down a peg or two" to have it happen in stories where it's a total wtf moment.

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That's guaranteed to make her think twice the next time before she makes petty demands and expects him to roll over like a good puppy dog. She'll be furious at first of course, but ultimately she'll show him more respect, and he'll have his own self-respect.

I can't believe you are still espousing this weird pipe dream of a girl like Veronica being won over by Archie assaulting her, and you thought the Betty/Reggie shippers were off for thinking Betty could reform Reggie.

QuoteI doubt Veronica would even TRY to pull that "You're not wearing that coat" snit on Reggie.

I don't know if you read the story OriginalSin posted after this one, Veronica treats Reggie way worse in that one than she treats Archie here and all Reggie does is drop her off his back. I never saw a story where he man handles Veronica and I bet I never will.

And ASKING someone to wear a different coat (and it IS asking no matter how bossy she was being, she has no hold over him) is very different from grabbing someone weaker than you and SCRUBBING their face forcibly.


And wearing a coat someone else gave you isn't equal to wearing makeup someone else gave you, that's hardly identifiable.


You know if Reggie did that to her people would roast him over hot coals but when Archie does it it's just awesome. Lucky that Reggie wouldn't do that to her.

The word "tart" is misogynist in itself but I'll let that pass to address the bigger issue: It is never okay for guys to shove girls around. Period. That should be very obvious.

Okay, so Jughead and Veronica were spotted by this guy who says he's just found the perfect model, so of course Veronica assumes:














Oops.   









I don't think they meant this ending to be a slur at women, I think it's a reference to Jughead's woman hating ways even though he'd sort of grown beyond that at this point. Anyway I like this story because it's one of the rare ones where Veronica "wins" over Jughead. Kind of.

Quote from: Original Sin on May 05, 2016, 06:10:13 PM

When I see stuff like this I can understand why people say the old comics were misogynist. This doesn't belong in a Villainous Veronica thread, it belongs in a sorely needed Archie Is An A-Hole thread judging from this story and the one where she's riding Reggie, although I liked that one because how could I not?  Cute braid, Ronnie, and yes she is a little devil in that one.

I found another good story with these two but I'm having trouble finding what I did with the rest of it. 

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Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 28, 2016, 02:55:47 AM
It's just that I can easily find so many more examples of out-of-context panels for Betty and Jughead.

Not just out-of-context panels. There are plenty of in context panels, stories, and covers for Betty/Jughead. But I guess Betty/Jughead is too easy for us shippers. They are too nice to each other.

That's how I've always felt too. I see Betty and Jug as more of an endgame relationship or as one of those rare platonic (presumably straight) boy/girl relationships. Though I can't imagine things would always be so rosy, since Jughead is a lazy glutton, poor Betty might have to do all the cooking and cleaning. That's why Veronica is a better match, they'd have servants do everything. j/k 

You remind me of a piece of fan art I did  

"Nothing would be left for the kids AGAIN!"   

Quote from: Thrillho on May 04, 2016, 02:18:58 AM
I'm not an artist    but I did post this on the old thread





It's a parody of the Gorillaz Demon Days album cover. I tried to marry the two styles, didn't quite succeed, but it was fun doing it. 


In case anyone is wondering, I left out Betty instead of Reggie because he was an original member of the Archies.

Reggie looks more like Murdoc too, and he plays bass.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on April 12, 2016, 02:57:46 PM
Personally I don't care what they do to the characters in the show at this point. I've read enough regarding their intentions that I have zero interest in watching it.

The only possibility that is potentially upsetting to me is that if the show (somehow, although the odds seem pretty well stacked against this) were to become a real hit. Why? Because if it does, it is virtually guaranteed to affect the comics published by ACP. They are sure to see that TV success as an indication that people want to read about characters who are similar to the TV show in the comic books. The last thing I want to see is Aguirre-Sacasa's version of Archie and the gang as comic book characters (AWA is quite enough of that), because you can pretty much bet that it would then become the main version of Archie. I'm not losing TOO much sleep over that possibility right now, since as I mentioned, the odds of the TV show becoming a real hit seem pretty slim.

How do you think it could become the main comic book version? A new series drawn in the reboot style or drawn in the classic Archie style?