Quote from: JonInIowaCity on April 04, 2016, 12:47:12 PM
But please no Caitlyn Jenner presence on Riverdale. Her bravery is a sickening mix of publicity-seeking and privilege. IMHO, as always...

Watch out, Caitlyn Jenner, JonInIowaCity is telling you to check your privilege!  Did she break the SJW brain trust by supporting Trump or something?      It's not like I'm a huge fan, but it's good she came out, maybe people like gay men will stop treating transwomen like garbage like they have gotten away with for decades on end if there is an actual trans celebrity?  Oh I'm sorry, is being an Olympian to low of a bar for personal achievement for successful trans people? I guess you must be in the Olympics and then be poor for the rest of your life to make the bar for acceptable LGBT celeb status, or does that only apply to transfolk?  Was Doogie Howser MD in the Olympics?  Is that why he's allowed to be lavished with attention by the media?

QuoteI wonder why ACP decided to make him de-emphasized?

Kevin got very good sales in the beginning, but I think it was sadly a bubble from collector interest.  They didn't position the comic right in the beginning in regards to entertainment value to keep readers coming back it seems.  Although, Veronica, Betty, etc. also got canned so it's not like he's alone.

Quote from: Imnotmark on April 03, 2016, 07:19:59 PM
Oh I can go back and forth but you are so shitty and cynical and impossible that it's not worth the effort.

I'm here to share in my love of Archie not argue with incredibly rude people about archie.

Oh, cool, you can, but you won't because I'm so cynical and shitty.  XD  Your first contact with me was calling my opinions "hate."  Not trying to retort me, but crying about the fact I posted bad think.  If you think that was hate, you've probably have never experienced it in your entire life.

Maybe you should stop crying and calling me names like a big blubbering baby?  Or you could get even saltier and I could use said salt to rim my margarita glass.

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Quote from: BettyReggie on April 03, 2016, 01:37:55 AM
Isn't she too old do that show?

No. This would be a continuation of the old ABC sitcom, like of like "Fuller House."

Fuller House is a disaster of TV cancer, so not a good parallel to draw to for a comparison.

And yet it was largely well received by old fans of the original series and others. The same could happen with "Sabrina" or "Clarissa Explains It All."

You're out of touch.  It was mocked brutally online and it received the worst reviews of the season.  The Olsen twins weren't in it, because they're not stupid enough to be associated with a turkey.  Sometimes the market makes the right decision.  There's a reason why junk like this went to Netflix, which I guess is now the DTV version of TV.

I watched Clarissa Explains It All, but no one even remember that show exists.  May as well bring back Hey Dude or Denver the Last Dinosaur or some other garbage from the TV dust bin of time.

I think Sabrina has more mainstream recognition, but I still don't think this will happen. Maybe people at Archie Comics though are desperate to bring it back since there's pretty good odds the Riverdale pilot might not get picked up for more episodes.

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Quote from: BettyReggie on April 03, 2016, 01:37:55 AM
Isn't she too old do that show?

No. This would be a continuation of the old ABC sitcom, like of like "Fuller House."

Fuller House is a disaster of TV cancer, so not a good parallel to draw to for a comparison. 

Quote from: Imnotmark on April 03, 2016, 11:22:45 AM
Wow okay you win. I'm not here to go back and forth on this.

Enjoy being that negative.

Maybe because you can't?  Strong convictions you got there.  Oh, I'm spreading not only hate now but negativity too.  Cool, I'm like a mahou shoujo villain.   

QuoteThe show as a whole may not on it's own terms — it will definitely suck at being Archie.

I think it will suck in general.  There's nothing about this that doesn't sound cringe worthy. 

QuoteYou should not blame the cast or crew — they get next to no creative input, not even Luke Perry could rewrite more than trivia even for his own character ... most probably don't know lots more than the name anyway and are just trying to get by ... blame the people who created it and the Archie management who support it and such, yes, but only them.

I said something similar earlier about the actor for Reggie, I meant the creative/production/ownership side.  But something people shouldn't do is hide behind the actors.  Like if we see Jon Goldwater responding to a question about controversial cast race changes by just praising the actors, he's a full of **** liar because that's what every white person has ever done in a similar position where they made the call on something like that.  I also don't think the actors and crew have to be supported.  They are already privileged enough to be in show busines, and that's real privilege, not the BS Tumblr kind.  Most people are doing real jobs that require a lot more work with no thank you or public recognition of any kind.

QuoteComics have never gotten much respect — just a fact of life ...

In this case, one of the people that doesn't respect them was granted ownership stake in the company and is related by blood to the people who did treat them with respect in the past.

QuoteIt's this sort of pessimism and hate that drives me nuts.

Go nuts then.  Last time I checked the PC Police haven't removed my freedom of speech here yet.

QuoteI get that we all have our ideas about how archie should be adapted or any other property for that matter. At the end of the day there will never be perfect or exact adaptations.

Straw man argument.  I never said it had to be a perfect adaptation.  But there's a difference between an imperfect adaptation and turning said adaptation into an inane vanity project and  sucking up to morons who think they are changing the world by politicizing and bastardizing obscure pop culture artifacts.

QuoteI just can't find the point in being so negative about it though. This could literally be the only time we ever even come close to a live action Archie TV show.

A lot of fans would like to have nothing instead of being slapped in the face and fed a **** sandwich.  That's not surprising really.  Avatar the Last Airbender also had one chance at having a live action adaptation.  Didn't change the fact it was a huge turd mostly known for ridiculous race swapping.

QuoteWill it be different? Will it change a lot of things? Yes.

Maybe the people involved should just make something original instead of dragging something that already exists through the mud.

QuoteCould it suck? Yes.

Agreed.

QuoteCould it be good? Yes

Nope, it's going to suck.

QuoteAt the very least try and be hopeful you find something you like about it because it's the Archie Show you are getting.

I don't care.  I'd rather have no Archie show if this was the one they're going to give me.

QuoteNobody involved with this show is trying to cash in or just phone it in.

I disagree.  It's an extremely cynical attempt at cashing in and everything that has been leaked about this thing reeks of bad fanfiction.  Can't get more phoned in than that.  Everyone involved is at fault for what this turned into, and that goes straight to the top of the company.

QuoteNo reason to be negative before giving things a shot.

This is the same tired line I hear before everything that looks like it's going to be terrible.  "Guys, the Jem movie could be good!  Give it a shot!  You haven't seen it yet!  Stop being negative!"  Turned out it was one of the worst movies ever made and it took a huge crap on the fans.  Not thinking like that anymore means I've stopped being naive.  And holy crap, it's not like TV pilots are known for being film making master pieces.

Quote from: old_jughead on April 03, 2016, 01:15:36 AM
I think that the casting for Reggie is spot on though. And for those complaining that he is played by a half Asian, we don't know for sure if he is going to be Asian in the show. Kristen Kreuk played a white character in Smallville and she is also half Asian.

Reggie is Asian now.  That actor can't pull off anything other than an Asian man, which is not his fault, it's the dumbasses making this show that cast him into that role.  This entire thing is going to be a monument to faux-liberal narcissism.

QuoteI also don't mind the race-bending because if Archie was created today it would be ethnically diverse. Also, the race of the characters don't affect who they are. It's the personality and characterisation changes especially with Jughead that I don't like.

Oh please.  The race of the characters matter.  You ONLY think it doesn't matter when the characters are white.  You think they would dare race swap a minority character?  How about having some guts and sticking up for the intellectual property and the rich history of these characters instead of changing it wildly because the flavor of the month political correctness bandwagon BS says race swapping characters is okay now instead of it being enormously asinine like anyone with common sense thought before 2011 when white guilt social media virtue signalling went into hyper drive?

QuoteThey are really, really trying to diversify though to avoid being attacked and what not though.

They're huge cowards then.  The people behind this show don't seem to be huge fans of the characters as is thus emo Jughead, Hispanic convict Hiarm Lodge and racially singular Josie and the Pussycats.  Also the obsession with remaking Twin Peaks when that has nothing to do with Archie Comics.  Might as well make an Archie version of Dune with giant sand worms and everything.  It makes about as much sense.  The only people who should be making Twin Peaks are named David Lynch.  If you talk about making your Archie Comics show into Twin Peaks in interviews, chances are you're a pretentious hack.