Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 09, 2019, 11:23:33 AM
You might be the odd man out on this opinion. I always assumed people wanted MORE episodes of series that they liked, not less. It may just be that you have a heavy schedule with too much TV viewing on your plate.

That's not really the reason. Well, it's part of it. It's more like I have so little free time that I have a backlog of DVDs and Blu-rays to watch - and anything interesting that I find on Netflix on top of that. I have a job, and I live with my 78-year-old mom, who deals with constant pain (and constantly makes me aware of it) and is rather dumb when it comes to technology - and who also feels I have to take up the rather pointless tasks of doing yard work now that she she no longer can (the only times that I even go outside are to check the mail, so I really don't see the point, but that's unacceptable to her). Plus, she generally parks herself on the living room couch all day and either Skypes with relatives, plays sound-effect-laden computer games, or watches her endless supply of cop shows, leaving me only about a couple hours in the evening to get any kind of viewing in.

Also, I read an article a few months ago that said the trend for millennials and younger is to watch content usually not much longer than 20 minutes in length (often, this is content created by their peers and shared on YouTube), so a 22-episode (or more) season of 40-minute episodes is too much by comparison. (Heck, I myself take a few days to watch one movie.)

Also, I recently got into a discussion on the Supergirl TV Reddit, and the feeling is a 22-episode season is too much, and it's made even worse by constantly going on hiatus, which makes people forget plot details and even entire characters (I watch reaction videos, and the reactors are often confused for a while as to who certain people are supposed to be). I had suggested either a shorter season or multiple mini-story arcs per season (or even - gasp! - stand-alone episodes that have nothing to do with anything else), but the response that I got was this would come off as a foreign concept to the network.
Heck, the reason that Riverdale's ratings went up from season 1 to season 2 is due to new, younger viewers discovering the series on Netflix (it went up the week after the season finale, I believe) and binge-watching it.
Personally, it took me two years to "binge-watch" the entire Star Trek franchise and a few months to do "Charmed". Between my weekly blog, fanfics, watching YouTube videos, and trying to get some original novels done, I simply can't spare an entire day to watch an entire season of a series.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 07, 2019, 05:41:47 PM
Wow, "Season" must mean something different than it used to mean. It used to mean somewhere around 26 weeks

Yeah, and thank Goddess those days are over. 26 episodes per year is way too much. Heck, seasons were even longer before that. "Bonanza" had 30+ episodes per season for most of its run. So did "Gunsmoke" for its first 11 seasons.
Even now, television seasons are too long. 22 episodes seem to be the standard now, but "Supergirl" got an extra episode last season. TV seems to be unable to adapt to changing times. Netflix, by contrast, recently cut their own seasons down from 13 episodes to 10 (see: "Alexa and Katie" season 2 versus season 1). That seems about right, especially considering the longer episode lengths that Netflix has.
By the way, the first season of ChAoS equals, in length, 26 episodes of the MJH series (or more than the entire first season of 24 episodes).

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 07, 2019, 05:41:47 PM
So the show's been renewed for the next three years? I never even heard of such a thing. It used to be they'd just play it by ear and watch the ratings from one year's batch of episodes (whatever number that might be) to the next year's.

Well, the CW renewed "Beauty and the Beast" for seasons 3 and 4 at the same time.

For New Year's Eve, I review "Kiss of the Century" from Cheryl Blossom, No. 28.

Heh. It took me so long to compose my reply that you updated your post in the meantime.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on December 30, 2018, 02:49:10 AMAnd then you begin talking as if tie-in novels "count"... it's just ridiculous. You're comparing apples and... golf balls. It's a story, but it's just a piece of merchandising, no different than... Sabrina the Teen-Age Witch Bubble Bath Soap. Those things have absolutely ZERO effect on the TV episodes in any way, shape or form, aside from being ignored (if they're even aware they exist) by 95+% of the TV series' viewing audience. The novels may be "based" on the TV series continuity, but it's a strictly one-way relationship. They are not so much PART of the Sabrina-TV continuity as "continuity-adjacent"... it's a little side-story parallel universe all its own, that can never really interact with the screenwriters' continuity. Nothing that happens in those has any effects felt in the broadcast episodes. The readers are free to "believe in" the stories, but television viewers literally missed nothing by not reading them.

Well, in that case, Riverdale (at 22 episodes per season starting with season 2) will surpass Sabrina the Teenage Witch with season 5, episode 07. And it will surpass the animated Sabrina continuity only five episodes from now.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on December 30, 2018, 02:49:10 AM
Y'know, when you use terminology like "Season 5, episode 09", it's meaningless to the rest of us in real-world numbers. Different TV shows produced in different years by different companies had a different number of episodes comprising a "Season", so unless you give us the episode's aggregate number, you're not really telling us anything in terms of milestones. And even then, shouldn't a TV series with hour-long episodes be given twice the credit for each episode as a series which only had 1/2-hour episodes? I mean, theoretically, you could split any hour-long episode into two shorter "continued" chunks. So if Riverdale has hour-long episodes, it seems in terms of running time, it should approximately equal TWO half-hour episodes of a show like Sabrina the Teen-Age Witch (either the original Filmation cartoon OR the later Melissa Joan Hart live-action series). I mean, what you're counting here isn't the number of discrete "stories". If the live-action Sabrina series had a two-part continued episode comprised of two half-hour shows, you're not counting THAT as "one episode", right? And neither are you counting a Filmation half-hour Sabrina cartoon which was comprised of two (or even three) distinct story segments as more than ONE episode, am I right? So (ignoring the variation in allotted time for commercials) what you really SHOULD be counting as a yardstick gauge is half-hour programming blocks.

That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm counting one Riverdale episode as equal to two episodes of pretty much anything else.
To date, Riverdale has amassed:
43 one-hour episodes (so 86 half-hour blocks)
13 tie-in comics (one of which is double-length, so let's say 14 half-hour blocks)a Student Handbook (equal to about 4 half-hour blocks)a prequel novel (equal to about 12 half-hour blocks)
So let's say Riverdale has about 126 half-hour blocks.
So Riverdale (show+tie-ins) has surpassed the continuities of:
Riverdale High (12 prose novels of approximately 115 pages each plus a double-length Summer Special)
The New Archies (13 half-hour episodes plus tie-in comics)
Archie's Weird Mysteries (40 episodes + 1 movie (4 episodes) + 34 tie-in comics)
In the animated Sabrina continuity, Riverdale has surpassed all 65 episodes of The Animated Series, all 39 tie-in comics (all 37 Sabrina episodes plus the issues directly preceding and following it), the Friends Forever movie (equal to about 4 episodes), and the first 9 (of 26) episodes of Sabrina's Secret Life.
With Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Riverdale (just the show) has surpassed the first 78 (of 163) episodes and the two TV movies (about 4 episodes each). If you take the tie-in novels into account, Sabrina basically reigns supreme and will never be touched.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on December 30, 2018, 02:49:10 AM
And no, I don't agree that spinoff series are "all part of the same show" in some larger sense. On the one hand, you can make the self-evident statement that content-wise, there's no distinction to be made between episodes of The Archie Show and Archie's TV Funhouse (and indeed, episodes of the former were aired as re-runs on episodes of the latter). But then you yourself reject Archie's TV Funnies as not fitting that logic,

Actually, no. I did state I'm counting Archie's T.V. Funnies, even though they contain very little Archie content.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on December 30, 2018, 02:49:10 AM
and we can get into sticky determinations like "Does Sabrina (the animated series) count as a spinoff of the live-action Melissa Joan Hart series?"

It isn't.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on December 30, 2018, 02:49:10 AM
On the one hand, one can definitely point to a causal relationship where if the latter had not existed first, then the former would not have existed either,

Well, by using that line of reasoning, you could argue Archie's Weird Mysteries (which debuted in the same season as Sabrina: The Animated Series) owes its existence to the MJH series as well. And that both cartoons, being produced by DiC, also owe their existences to DiC's previous Archie productions, The New Archies and To Riverdale and Back Again. And that they all ultimately owe their existences to the comics, so they're all spin-offs in a sense.
But this is about continuities/universes.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on December 30, 2018, 02:49:10 AM
but... it's just makes things messy, because using that line of reasoning, you can argue that the Filmation Sabrina counts as part of the Filmation Archie.

It does. Sabrina first debuted in the TV special, Archie and His New Pals. And her own segments (prior to being repackaged as her own show), first aired in The Archie Comedy Hour, in which she attended Riverdale High and regularly interacted with the gang (although not always). This is why I count both Riverdale and ChAoS against the combined Archie+Sabrina Filmation continuity (but see below for how Riverdale fares against it without ChAoS).

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on December 30, 2018, 02:49:10 AM
Or that Angel is in fact, essentially the same show as Buffy, with a slightly different focus. I don't buy it. In terms of popularity/longevity, each show more or less stands or falls on its own by the merits of its specific content, although the distinction of exact title (which involved some variation on the word "Archie" from one season to the next) was fairly blurry during the late-1960s/early-1970s, due to conditions mostly endemic to Saturday morning animation programming content, with the Filmation cycle. If you insist on counting them all as part of the same thing, you need to include not only ALL versions of Filmation's Archie, but anything remotely connected (that includes TV Funnies, Sabrina AND the Groovie Goolies). Unless you can point to an incarnation of new episodes of the Goolies which aired as its own distinct show in which Sabrina never appeared as a character, I don't think it's fair to disinclude those.

The GG did, in fact, have their own Sabrina-less spin-off:

QuoteThe show originally aired on CBS as Sabrina and the Groovie Goolies, and also featured Archie Comics character Sabrina the Teenage Witch with her aunts Hilda and Zelda. Sabrina had had previous appearances as a supporting character on The Archie Comedy Hour the previous year. In 1971, Sabrina was spun off into her own show. Never a critical success, the Goolies had appeal, reappearing in 1971 as The Groovie Goolies on their own solo show. After one season with Sabrina, executives decided that the Goolies were strong enough to make it on their own, and thus Sabrina and the Goolies both received their own separate shows.

So, regarding the battle against the Filmation continuity, I have determined Riverdale (with all of its tie-in material) has reached episode 6 (of 13) of The New Archie and Sabrina Hour, meaning it will tie Filmation in 7 more episodes. Without the tie-in material, Riverdale has reached episode 14 (of 16) of Archie's T.V. Funnies and will reach episode 5 (of 16) of The New Archie and Sabrina Hour by the end of this season. If renewed for another season, Riverdale (without the tie-in material) will tie Filmation continuity with episode 8.
All of this is assuming, of course, Filmation continued to produce new musical segments well into its run and wasn't just recycling large amounts of material.

As of December 26, with the publication of the tie-in prequel novel, "The Day Before", Riverdale continuity has now reached episode 09 of Sabrina's Secret Life in the animated Sabrina continuity (which includes issues of the Sabrina tie-in comic). Riverdale will surpass the animated Sabrina continuity with episode 17 of this season (in other words, nine more episodes).
Regarding the Filmation continuity, that's a bit more complicated. As far as I know, there were no tie-in comics. As for the shows themselves, I'm not counting the Groovy Ghoulies spin-off from Sabrina, because that's just original characters. Archie's TV Funnies has little actual Archie content. The gang has a few minutes' worth of story in each episode. Mostly, they're running a TV station where they play cartoons based on comic strips. Still, I'm counting each episode in full. I have no idea if I have every Filmation story segment listed in my guide (or even if they're all the same length, but I'm treating every two segments as a standard half-hour episode (with the exception of The New Archie and Sabrina Hour, where three segments seem to have air in each hour)).
Based on all of that (and taking into account the Riverdale tie-in material), Riverdale looks set to surpass the Filmation continuity with episode 12 of this season (in other words, four more episodes) and become the largest non-comic continuity featuring the Riverdale gang. However, since the Filmation cartoons also had a Sabrina spin-off, it's fair to include Chilling Adventures of Sabrina in the Riverdale continuity in this particular battle. In that case, the Riverdale/ChAoS continuity is already larger.
The last thing to beat is the Melissa Joan Hart sitcom. Going solely by televised material, Riverdale has reached season 4, episode 03. By the end of this season, it will reach season 5, episode 09. By the end of next season, it will reach season 7, episode 09. To surpass Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Riverdale would have to last until season 5, episode 07. That's doable, I guess (I'm counting only Riverdale in this case, not ChAoS, since Sabrina never had a spin-off). Counting printed material, though, Sabrina is basically untouchable, considering the sheer number of tie-in novels.

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